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« on: January 24, 2014, 11:41:44 AM »

CRITICISM OF THE RTOC

Voices of Reason
http://www.saintjonah.org/articles/voicesofreason.htm

Official ROCOR Synod statement concerning the RTOC
http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/eng2007/4entikhon.html

True Orthodoxy or Arrogation?
http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/engdocuments/enart_lekarolesna.html

Those presently claiming to be Catacomb bishops have very questionable backgrounds. Fr. Michael Protopopov provides some good background information on these groups here:
http://www.saintjonah.org/articles/RTOC.htm
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2014, 12:55:10 PM »

Have you read the essay of St. Justin on cultivating the virtues (Theory of Knowledge of Saint Isaac the Syrian)? I found it interesting.
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2014, 01:01:35 PM »

It's a good thing you posted this; I was about to join one of their thousands of parishes in my area.
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2014, 01:06:20 PM »

It's a good thing you posted this; I was about to join one of their thousands of parishes in my area.
Yes, they are so prevalent their website can't list all of their parishes, so in fairness to those that would be left out, they don't have any listed.
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2014, 01:10:17 PM »

One thing I've learned shopping around for a set a vestments for my son's ordination later this year is that with the help of Google and not all that much money, you can set up your own jurisdiction complete with Bishops, priests and even a western rite.  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2014, 01:14:19 PM »

One thing I've learned shopping around for a set a vestments for my son's ordination later this year is that with the help of Google and not all that much money, you can set up your own jurisdiction complete with Bishops, priests and even a western rite.  Grin
You can even mix and match!

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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2014, 01:52:05 PM »

One thing I've learned shopping around for a set a vestments for my son's ordination later this year is that with the help of Google and not all that much money, you can set up your own jurisdiction complete with Bishops, priests and even a western rite.  Grin

Just make sure you have a website that has many long essays explaining why you're right and everyone else is going to hell.
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2014, 01:59:59 PM »

One thing I've learned shopping around for a set a vestments for my son's ordination later this year is that with the help of Google and not all that much money, you can set up your own jurisdiction complete with Bishops, priests and even a western rite.  Grin

Just make sure you have a website that has many long essays explaining why you're right and everyone else is going to hell.

Something like this?

http://www.ccel.org/
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2014, 02:02:39 PM »

One thing I've learned shopping around for a set a vestments for my son's ordination later this year is that with the help of Google and not all that much money, you can set up your own jurisdiction complete with Bishops, priests and even a western rite.  Grin

Just make sure you have a website that has many long essays explaining why you're right and everyone else is going to hell.

Something like this?

http://www.ccel.org/

Zowch!
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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2014, 02:04:23 PM »

One thing I've learned shopping around for a set a vestments for my son's ordination later this year is that with the help of Google and not all that much money, you can set up your own jurisdiction complete with Bishops, priests and even a western rite.  Grin

Just make sure you have a website that has many long essays explaining why you're right and everyone else is going to hell.

Something like this?

http://www.ccel.org/

Zowch!

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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2014, 12:24:44 AM »

CRITICISM OF THE RTOC

Voices of Reason
http://www.saintjonah.org/articles/voicesofreason.htm

Official ROCOR Synod statement concerning the RTOC
http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/eng2007/4entikhon.html

True Orthodoxy or Arrogation?
http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/engdocuments/enart_lekarolesna.html

Those presently claiming to be Catacomb bishops have very questionable backgrounds. Fr. Michael Protopopov provides some good background information on these groups here:
http://www.saintjonah.org/articles/RTOC.htm

Hi Incognito777

I did not understand the purpose of this thread this morning, but I am guessing it relates to your fourth link indicating that those who are disgruntled by the merger of ROCOR with the Moscow Patriarchate should not seek the RTOC as an alternative.

What I also did not understand in that link is that ROCOR claims that Metropolitan Vitaly was suffering from severe dementia in 1990. Yet at the same time in the same statement I gather that ROCOR is disavowing the canonicity of the RTOC based on decisions by Metropolitan Vitaly made in 1993 and 1994. Maybe I read this incorrectly.

I also do not understand the humor in some of the posts above me. It seems rude.

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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2014, 06:03:07 PM »

Have you read the essay of St. Justin on cultivating the virtues (Theory of Knowledge of Saint Isaac the Syrian)? I found it interesting.

What relevance does that have here? Saint Photius said telling the truth is the greatest act of charity. I actually disagree with him. It's an act of charity, but not the greatest act. Christ taught that laying down ones life for friends is the greatest act of love.

RTOC priest Father Oleg communed OCA member.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvYn_jm6gPk
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2014, 04:35:24 AM »

Have you read the essay of St. Justin on cultivating the virtues (Theory of Knowledge of Saint Isaac the Syrian)? I found it interesting.

What relevance does that have here?

I think it's pretty good.
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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2014, 05:10:31 PM »

How many organizations are there that broke away from ROCOR. Ugh! But I guess that this is the Devil's best way to deal with the growing Russian Orthodox Church: divide and conquer.
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2014, 06:29:51 PM »

Have you read the essay of St. Justin on cultivating the virtues (Theory of Knowledge of Saint Isaac the Syrian)? I found it interesting.

What relevance does that have here?

It's about discerning truth, cultivating virtue, being, and God. I think it would be helpful in these discussions.
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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2014, 09:16:07 PM »

How many organizations are there that broke away from ROCOR. Ugh! But I guess that this is the Devil's best way to deal with the growing Russian Orthodox Church: divide and conquer.
The one I care about is the (current) ROCA, the ones from ROCOR that rejected the union with the Moscow Patriarchate over "sergianism" not being sufficiently anathemized (that is the ROCA still thinks the Moscow Patriarchate is no more than a tool of Vladimir Putin's government) and "ecumenism" (claiming to profess one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church yet being members of the World Council of Churches)

I get their points, but is it worth it to unilaterally break communion with most Orthodox in the process?  Huh
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