If she wears to bring attention to herself that is wrong.
Yet the person who perceives it as such is the person who is looking at her. In other words, you, not her.
This is the point you have been missing. With all your obsessive examination of what women wear, you need help, and lots of it. This fixation of yours is unhealthy, to say the least.
The point is the person who WANTS to bring attention to herself through a veil is wrong, and those who fall for it are wrong.
The person who wears the veil "honestly", would not be purposely causing another to fall, I think that is wonderful.
Hence if the woman wears a veil that is lacy, matches her outfit, hair drawn all around it, with bling, and the lace matches the lace of her bust cover and SHE WORE IT ON PURPOSE that way to attract male attention, that is sinful for her. The men who look that is sinful to them.
Perception has nothing to do with it. In the photos I posted, that is my own weakness. I was just trying to illustrate how some people can fall to that stuff.
Perception has EVERYTHING to do with it! You are perceiving the intention of the woman, whether that intention on her part is true or not! You have no idea whether she is intentionally being provocative, or simply dressing well. The giveaway in all of this is this comment of yours:
You notice some back flesh under the buttons on her dress
My goodness, if this isn't obsessive behavior ...
Heh, I'm speaking of two people, not the man judging the woman's perception.
IF the woman, on her own, intentionally uses a veil for attracting men, that is her sin.
If a man under his own will lusts for that woman, it is his own sin.
The man doesn't judge if she is doing it for her own attractiveness. Of course, sometimes it's more obvious than not, but still he should not judge that was her intent - he should worry about himself.
That's what I mean.
I TRULY believe that MOST women know if what they are wearing is geared at attracting men.... Women are most often way more keen and alert to styles, highlights, decor, and detail oriented than men. They generally KNOW when it comes to clothing.
So if they are purposely trying to draw lustful attention, even in small ways, I believe that is a sin on their own. A man who falls for that, it's a sin too. A man who lusts after a woman who is NOT trying to dress for her attention, it's a sin as well.