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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #450 on: January 28, 2014, 12:52:48 AM »
It's an argument ender.  It's because the scriptures speak of women being modest, the monastery wants women to be modest, and OC.net people, don't seem so much.

Some people do not agree with your twisted definition of "modesty".

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I don't believe Christ intended his baptism to have women dressed in lewdness diving in after him. 

Indeed. He was naked. And baptism were done to the naked too. Swimsuits, robes and what so are no traditional at all.



Wonder how females present reacted.
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #451 on: January 28, 2014, 12:52:48 AM »
Would u please stop posting pictures of Orthodox women to incite public shaming and ridicule ?

There is nothing woman from his last pictured should be ashamed of or laughed at.
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #452 on: January 28, 2014, 12:52:48 AM »
This is not baptism. It's pagan Russian tradition for Epiphany.
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #453 on: January 28, 2014, 12:52:48 AM »
I would be doing what that Bishop is doing in the picture...staring at the icewater and imagining that it is actually Nancy Pelosi getting nakie.  Otherwise, I might think some sinful thoughts.

Where do you see a bishop?
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #454 on: January 28, 2014, 12:52:48 AM »
The naked woman on my last link was linked to be "bathing for the theophany".   In other words wallowing around naked in front of her church.

Most churches are not built on rivers IIRC.
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #455 on: January 28, 2014, 12:52:53 AM »
But a glance happens, and that is a sin.

A glance as in, "Oh look! An attractive person. Oh look! A puppy." ?

What if a streaker went running by me and I glanced over and saw his nakedness. Did I sin just by noticing someone running by me? I don't think so.
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #456 on: January 28, 2014, 12:54:59 AM »
YIM-The longer you have posted in this thread, the less I trust you on the whole. You are, by your own admission, sinning by looking at these photos. But you persist in seeking them out, and looking at them. Your pants don't have to be unzipped, with a box of tissues near by, for you to be in sin, as you well know. You are trying to justify your own sin by saying you are "researching." Those photos don't cause me to sin in any way whatsoever. You claim most men would fall because of these photos. If you are indeed correct, you are KNOWINGLY causing other men to fall into sin with you.

How can you possibly justify that?


I didn't  POST it on the internet, it existed.

Did I not say if they'll fall into lust don't click?  LOL
Did I not warn.

Each makes his own decision.

And just so you know, I wasn't gawking at the photo.  Men are going to notice breasts.  In fact, I didn't have to SEEK out the photo....  

Simply do this.

Go to google

Type in --   orthodox baptism

Then click images

Scroll down a bit, and you'll see the exact photo I posted.  It's right there.

So if you want to blame me for "seeking it out", well it was in my face as an example of EO baptism on google.
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #457 on: January 28, 2014, 12:56:29 AM »
How wrong are we that we don't find those photos enticing when we look at them when you post them, if you SEEK THEM OUT KNOWING THEY CAUSE YOU TO SIN?

That's a good point.  A multitude of "small holes" in a white sweater was immodest, showed too much skin, and incited lust in YiM.  Therefore, it would incite lust in any man.  Why, then, does he spend his internet time looking for half-naked women?  Not only does it cause him to sin, but he drags others along with him to hell.  

Be fair, as the thread digressed and you know it.  It went into masturbation, LGBT, and nudity, etc.

Read the monks, no tight clothing, no sheer veils.... I believe but am not sure that small holes in a sweater causing skin would probably not sit too well.

And just so many of you know, I've slept many nights at monasteries and been around a lot of monks.  You know what, I don't think any of the women (except for the ones in pants if that) would have been turned away, but they ASK them so they don't fall into lust.  That was the message of my argument.

Hey, I agreed with you. Monks are weird too. They are not the height of Christian life. Sorry. They are just living another vocation like any other. After all the legendary men of Athos can't even fathom a woman being amongst them. Sounds pathological to me, but hey, maybe in another 1000 years or so some spiritual development will occur. I dunno.

Everyone here doesn't follow the monastic rule in anything else, so why should they use the monastic rule for how woman are to be dressed when in mixed company?
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #458 on: January 28, 2014, 12:56:54 AM »




Even the devils in the water are more modestly dressed than Jesus.  Just another reason why iconography is evil. 

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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #459 on: January 28, 2014, 12:57:17 AM »
This is not baptism. It's pagan Russian tradition for Epiphany.

That's what a thought, thanks for clearing that up.
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #460 on: January 28, 2014, 12:57:58 AM »
I reiterate:

No, you are using posting here as an excuse to sin by your own admission. There is zero justification for that. You are simply WRONG and are in sin by seeking out photos that cause you to sin. There is no wiggle room out of this. You tied your own noose.

Your computer didn't spontaneously show you these photos. You sought them out when you did an internet search you knew would come up with the photos.

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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #461 on: January 28, 2014, 12:58:12 AM »
It's an argument ender.  It's because the scriptures speak of women being modest, the monastery wants women to be modest, and OC.net people, don't seem so much.

Some people do not agree with your twisted definition of "modesty".

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I don't believe Christ intended his baptism to have women dressed in lewdness diving in after him. 

Indeed. He was naked. And baptism were done to the naked too. Swimsuits, robes and what so are no traditional at all.



Wonder how females present reacted.

Did the icon tell you he was naked, or tradition, or the bible?
And what women were present, the traditional ones?

Despite this issue, my OP sticks right with the monk's dress code cited for their very reasons.  If you guys want to prove me wrong about naked baptism, feel free.  
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #462 on: January 28, 2014, 12:58:57 AM »
What if a streaker went running by me and I glanced over and saw his nakedness. Did I sin just by noticing someone running by me? I don't think so.

Actually yes; again, one needs to understand what "sin" is

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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #463 on: January 28, 2014, 12:59:21 AM »
Men are going to notice breasts.

So do women. I noticed them. They are really NBD.

Were you breastfed? I was. Bare breasts can be lovely, but really they have to be contexualized in some manner for them to be sexual.

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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #464 on: January 28, 2014, 12:59:30 AM »
I reiterate:

No, you are using posting here as an excuse to sin by your own admission. There is zero justification for that. You are simply WRONG and are in sin by seeking out photos that cause you to sin. There is no wiggle room out of this. You tied your own noose.

Your computer didn't spontaneously show you these photos. You sought them out when you did an internet search you knew would come up with the photos.

When I go to google, type in  --- Orthodox baptism
click images

And see a woman holding her naked breasts in a frozen body of water - NO I didn't expect that.  Nor the 7 or whatever year old naked child.
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #465 on: January 28, 2014, 12:59:36 AM »
I reiterate:

No, you are using posting here as an excuse to sin by your own admission. There is zero justification for that. You are simply WRONG and are in sin by seeking out photos that cause you to sin. There is no wiggle room out of this. You tied your own noose.

Your computer didn't spontaneously show you these photos. You sought them out when you did an internet search you knew would come up with the photos.

Precisely. Yesh, the corner you've painted yourself into must be the size of a postage stamp by now ...
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #466 on: January 28, 2014, 01:00:22 AM »
What if a streaker went running by me and I glanced over and saw his nakedness. Did I sin just by noticing someone running by me? I don't think so.

Actually yes; again, one needs to understand what "sin" is

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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #467 on: January 28, 2014, 01:00:27 AM »
What if a streaker went running by me and I glanced over and saw his nakedness. Did I sin just by noticing someone running by me? I don't think so.

Actually yes; again, one needs to understand what "sin" is

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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #468 on: January 28, 2014, 01:01:28 AM »
YIM-The longer you have posted in this thread, the less I trust you on the whole. You are, by your own admission, sinning by looking at these photos. But you persist in seeking them out, and looking at them. Your pants don't have to be unzipped, with a box of tissues near by, for you to be in sin, as you well know. You are trying to justify your own sin by saying you are "researching." Those photos don't cause me to sin in any way whatsoever. You claim most men would fall because of these photos. If you are indeed correct, you are KNOWINGLY causing other men to fall into sin with you.

How can you possibly justify that?


I didn't  POST it on the internet, it existed.

Did I not say if they'll fall into lust don't click?  LOL
Did I not warn.

Each makes his own decision.

Are you sharing this experience with your wife and children or are you enjoying selfie time on the computer?

Plus, I didn't know there were African-American, Hispanic and Native American Mennonites.  I guess they aren't in your group?   ???

So if you want to blame me for "seeking it out", well it was in my face as an example of EO baptism on google.

All you've done is appeal from emotion of your so called "disgust".

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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #469 on: January 28, 2014, 01:01:44 AM »
I reiterate:

No, you are using posting here as an excuse to sin by your own admission. There is zero justification for that. You are simply WRONG and are in sin by seeking out photos that cause you to sin. There is no wiggle room out of this. You tied your own noose.

Your computer didn't spontaneously show you these photos. You sought them out when you did an internet search you knew would come up with the photos.

When I go to google, type in  --- Orthodox baptism
click images

And see a woman holding her naked breasts in a frozen body of water - NO I didn't expect that.  Nor the 7 or whatever year old naked child.

So naked children arouse you as well? I am getting confused.
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #470 on: January 28, 2014, 01:02:37 AM »
Have you been hanging out with Kerdy?

No doubt. Some of the attitudes towards breasts around here have crossed over from neurosis to psychosis.
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« Reply #471 on: January 28, 2014, 01:03:00 AM »
Have you been hanging out with Kerdy?

Probably not "hanging"...Otherwise they wouldn't be having this problem.

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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #472 on: January 28, 2014, 01:03:25 AM »
In context of my OP, I believe my arguments were pretty well shown to hold ground when monks dress code validates even stating the reasons for - lust.


On the other topic of naked baptism, look I think it absolutely would cause men to fall in the church, and so do those women in Theophany.  Those women though I don't know their intent, it's their business.  If I saw that live at church with my children, we would be leaving.

On that note, if you guys want to attend services naked, I guess that's your business.  My OP was really the point of the thread.
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #473 on: January 28, 2014, 01:04:26 AM »
I reiterate:

No, you are using posting here as an excuse to sin by your own admission. There is zero justification for that. You are simply WRONG and are in sin by seeking out photos that cause you to sin. There is no wiggle room out of this. You tied your own noose.

Your computer didn't spontaneously show you these photos. You sought them out when you did an internet search you knew would come up with the photos.

When I go to google, type in  --- Orthodox baptism
click images

And see a woman holding her naked breasts in a frozen body of water - NO I didn't expect that.  Nor the 7 or whatever year old naked child.

So naked children arouse you as well? I am getting confused.

Are we tweens or something? Grow up.  I was very offended.  Poor child.
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #474 on: January 28, 2014, 01:05:17 AM »
So, are you offended when infants are baptized nude?

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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #475 on: January 28, 2014, 01:05:28 AM »
I reiterate:

No, you are using posting here as an excuse to sin by your own admission. There is zero justification for that. You are simply WRONG and are in sin by seeking out photos that cause you to sin. There is no wiggle room out of this. You tied your own noose.

Your computer didn't spontaneously show you these photos. You sought them out when you did an internet search you knew would come up with the photos.

When I go to google, type in  --- Orthodox baptism
click images

And see a woman holding her naked breasts in a frozen body of water - NO I didn't expect that.  Nor the 7 or whatever year old naked child.


I just went and did the same search, and yes...its there...but its ONE picture out of 75 that has anything even questionable about it.

A question....

Why were you googling for 'Orthodox Baptism' to find images for this thread to begin with?  Clearly the vast majority would be normal photos....

If you were looking for more pictures of 'immodesty' thats a pretty poor search for it...
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #476 on: January 28, 2014, 01:05:49 AM »




Even the devils in the water are more modestly dressed than Jesus.  Just another reason why iconography is evil. 
Are they covering their head, cuz I can't see?
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« Reply #477 on: January 28, 2014, 01:06:49 AM »
What if a streaker went running by me and I glanced over and saw his nakedness. Did I sin just by noticing someone running by me? I don't think so.

Actually yes; again, one needs to understand what "sin" is

Having eyes that work? No.

Sin is anything that distracts you from Theosis. Technically I'm sinning by posting on this site when I should be praying or whatever.

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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #478 on: January 28, 2014, 01:07:39 AM »
Some of the attitudes towards breasts around here have crossed over from neurosis to psychosis.

It is for this reason that I recommend such men get fat.  Once you grow a set of your own, there's nothing sexual about them.  
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« Reply #479 on: January 28, 2014, 01:08:05 AM »
On that note, if you guys want to attend services naked, I guess that's your business.

Well that'd certainly save me time getting dressed in the morning but I image it'd get weird during the prostrations.

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Even the devils in the water are more modestly dressed than Jesus.  Just another reason why iconography is evil. 
Are they covering their head, cuz I can't see?

The one on the right in the second icon is wearing something on its head.  ;)
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #481 on: January 28, 2014, 01:08:31 AM »
In context of my OP, I believe my arguments were pretty well shown to hold ground when monks dress code validates even stating the reasons for - lust.

No, in the context of this thread your argument falls completely apart. Indeed; in the context of this thread it is proven that even with women dressed very modestly, men can seek out photos that will cause them to sin if they desire to. Because that is precisely what you have done.

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« Reply #482 on: January 28, 2014, 01:08:52 AM »
YIM-The longer you have posted in this thread, the less I trust you on the whole. You are, by your own admission, sinning by looking at these photos. But you persist in seeking them out, and looking at them. Your pants don't have to be unzipped, with a box of tissues near by, for you to be in sin, as you well know. You are trying to justify your own sin by saying you are "researching." Those photos don't cause me to sin in any way whatsoever. You claim most men would fall because of these photos. If you are indeed correct, you are KNOWINGLY causing other men to fall into sin with you.

How can you possibly justify that?


I didn't  POST it on the internet, it existed.

Did I not say if they'll fall into lust don't click?  LOL
Did I not warn.

Each makes his own decision.

Are you sharing this experience with your wife and children or are you enjoying selfie time on the computer?

Plus, I didn't know there were African-American, Hispanic and Native American Mennonites.  I guess they aren't in your group?   ???

So if you want to blame me for "seeking it out", well it was in my face as an example of EO baptism on google.

All you've done is appeal from emotion of your so called "disgust".

There are Mennonites all over the world.   Deep into Africa, Russia, "underground" in China, Canada, South America, Australia, Asia, Islands....

Some branches have one presiding bishop over several congregations (sort of like EO).
Some branches have a bishop per church.

I agree with the Mennonite faith on many biblical levels.

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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #483 on: January 28, 2014, 01:09:00 AM »
LOL!!!!!!

I kid you not this is what comes up THIRD for me on a google image search for yeshuaisiam



LOL!

Mods, I figured this was OK, since it was posted here at oc.net.
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #484 on: January 28, 2014, 01:10:26 AM »
In context of my OP, I believe my arguments were pretty well shown to hold ground when monks dress code validates even stating the reasons for - lust.

No, in the context of this thread your argument falls completely apart. Indeed; in the context of this thread it is proven that even with women dressed very modestly, men can seek out photos that will cause them to sin if they desire to. Because that is precisely what you have done.

Look, I'm not going to laugh.  Please stop.

The monks dress code exists.  Get over it.  They don't want sheer veils because of concerns about lust.  It's in their own writing.  If you are offended by the photos, those people are in communion with YOU.  I didn't DO IT.  Is it better to be blind?
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #485 on: January 28, 2014, 01:11:12 AM »
Sin is anything that distracts you from Theosis. Technically I'm sinning by posting on this site when I should be praying or whatever.

By that logic sleeping is sinful. I think we've crossed the line into the ridiculous.
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #486 on: January 28, 2014, 01:11:40 AM »
Are we tweens or something? Grow up.  I was very offended.  Poor child.

God is so immoral.  Scripture talks about him as having "knit" us together in our mothers' wombs, but you'd think he'd bother to knit some clothes.  Instead, we are actually born naked.  Surely he knows how sexually tempting nudity is?  Why would he do that?  How hard is it for God to knit a pair of underpants?  
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #487 on: January 28, 2014, 01:12:28 AM »
*I* am not offended by the photos. I really could care less. I am offended at you using posting on this thread as a justification to seek out photos that cause you to sin.

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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #488 on: January 28, 2014, 01:13:13 AM »
On the other topic of naked baptism, look I think it absolutely would cause men to fall in the church, and so do those women in Theophany.  Those women though I don't know their intent, it's their business.  If I saw that live at church with my children, we would be leaving.

What about your wife?  Does she have an opinion?

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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #489 on: January 28, 2014, 01:13:23 AM »
Sin is anything that distracts you from Theosis. Technically I'm sinning by posting on this site when I should be praying or whatever.

By that logic sleeping is sinful. I think we've crossed the line into the ridiculous.

Well, it is Jamesology.  
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #490 on: January 28, 2014, 01:13:31 AM »
In context of my OP, I believe my arguments were pretty well shown to hold ground when monks dress code validates even stating the reasons for - lust.

No, in the context of this thread your argument falls completely apart. Indeed; in the context of this thread it is proven that even with women dressed very modestly, men can seek out photos that will cause them to sin if they desire to. Because that is precisely what you have done.

Look, I'm not going to laugh.  Please stop.

The monks dress code exists.  Get over it.  They don't want sheer veils because of concerns about lust.  It's in their own writing.  If you are offended by the photos, those people are in communion with YOU.  I didn't DO IT.  Is it better to be blind?

You're the one doing Google searches and selecting "salacious" photos, not us. You're the one who "falls" at a glimpse of "back flesh", not us. You're the one who regards tiny holes in a woman's sleeve "immodest".

None of this is healthy, yesh. None of it.
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #491 on: January 28, 2014, 01:13:40 AM »
LOL!!!!!!

I kid you not this is what comes up THIRD for me on a google image search for yeshuaisiam



LOL!

Mods, I figured this was OK, since it was posted here at oc.net.

I know.  That is from this forum where somebody argued with me about head coverings.
It was ialmisry that posted that photo in the thread.
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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #492 on: January 28, 2014, 01:14:31 AM »
I reiterate:

No, you are using posting here as an excuse to sin by your own admission. There is zero justification for that. You are simply WRONG and are in sin by seeking out photos that cause you to sin. There is no wiggle room out of this. You tied your own noose.

Your computer didn't spontaneously show you these photos. You sought them out when you did an internet search you knew would come up with the photos.

When I go to google, type in  --- Orthodox baptism
click images

And see a woman holding her naked breasts in a frozen body of water - NO I didn't expect that.  Nor the 7 or whatever year old naked child.

So naked children arouse you as well? I am getting confused.

Are we tweens or something? Grow up.  I was very offended.  Poor child.

Offended by what, a naked child? Don't you have kids? I lived with a kid for a long time. I had to touch his penis, anus, all sortsa stuff in order to properly care for him. We showered together when he was younger. It was NBD.

Who is the tween here? You mentioned falling because of women and then mention naked children in the same breath. It is confusing.
January 23, 2016, 03:47:17 PM   Ad Hominem - "mere foil"   +45

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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #493 on: January 28, 2014, 01:15:25 AM »
Sin is anything that distracts you from Theosis. Technically I'm sinning by posting on this site when I should be praying or whatever.

By that logic sleeping is sinful. I think we've crossed the line into the ridiculous.

And yet read of the vigils held by the Saints. And about the prayer of the heart. JamesR isn't so ridiculous.
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January 23, 2016, 03:47:17 PM   Ad Hominem - "mere foil"   +45

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Re: Head coverings, modesty, and the weakness of me
« Reply #494 on: January 28, 2014, 01:15:46 AM »
In context of my OP, I believe my arguments were pretty well shown to hold ground when monks dress code validates even stating the reasons for - lust.

No, in the context of this thread your argument falls completely apart. Indeed; in the context of this thread it is proven that even with women dressed very modestly, men can seek out photos that will cause them to sin if they desire to. Because that is precisely what you have done.

Look, I'm not going to laugh.  Please stop.

The monks dress code exists.  Get over it.  They don't want sheer veils because of concerns about lust.  It's in their own writing.  If you are offended by the photos, those people are in communion with YOU.  I didn't DO IT.  Is it better to be blind?

You're the one doing Google searches and selecting "salacious" photos, not us. You're the one who "falls" at a glimpse of "back flesh", not us. You're the one who regards tiny holes in a woman's sleeve "immodest".

None of this is healthy, yesh. None of it.

Do I have to correct each one of you?

Fine if you don't lust for such things, that's fine.

But the MONKS DRESS CODE backs up my argument that I posted.  I gave 3 links.   They didn't want to lust for women, even with sheer veils, as I stated in my OP.

The unhealthy part is the EO Christians failing to recognize these flaws in some men, even their own monks, nor the sisters to recognize that they can help their brothers not to fall.
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