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About receiving the Lord
« on: January 16, 2014, 07:55:01 PM »
I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2014, 08:51:33 PM »
If he is attending liturgy is he not experiencing communion with the body of Christ? Or are you speaking of the Eucharist?
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2014, 08:53:36 PM »
If he is attending liturgy is he not experiencing communion with the body of Christ? Or are you speaking of the Eucharist?

Yes, if he attends the liturgy from the start to the dismissal but never partakes of Yeshua's Body and Blood...
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2014, 09:03:41 PM »
If he is attending liturgy is he not experiencing communion with the body of Christ? Or are you speaking of the Eucharist?

Yes, if he attends the liturgy from the start to the dismissal but never partakes of Yeshua's Body and Blood...

Then in accordance with the words of Christ, he shall have no life in him.
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2014, 09:05:24 PM »
If he is attending liturgy is he not experiencing communion with the body of Christ? Or are you speaking of the Eucharist?

Yes, if he attends the liturgy from the start to the dismissal but never partakes of Yeshua's Body and Blood...

Then in accordance with the words of Christ, he shall have no life in him.

What about spiritual communion? That would not save that person?
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2014, 11:36:21 PM »
I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2014, 11:37:45 PM »
I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2014, 11:52:14 PM »
Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

You beat me to it ....

That's because we're awesome! 
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2014, 11:54:04 PM »
I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

He's Greek
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2014, 11:58:46 PM »
Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

He's Greek

That only demonstrates that he's not Mexican, which is an absolute plus, but still irrelevant: I'd still want to receive Communion if I was as prepared as the hypothetical person in the OP, so I'm curious as to what else is going on. 
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2014, 12:00:26 AM »
Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

He's Greek

 I'd still want to receive Communion if I was as prepared as the hypothetical person in the OP, so I'm curious as to what else is going on. 

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2014, 12:03:18 AM »
Why would one get married and have a beautiful banquet with your beloved, only not to embrace Him?
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2014, 08:56:44 AM »
I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

He's Greek

No, not a correct guess. He is neither Greek nor Mexican.  ;D
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2014, 08:58:35 AM »
Why would one get married and have a beautiful banquet with your beloved, only not to embrace Him?

maybe because he would not want others around him at the banquet and would like to be the only person to embrace the beloved ;)
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2014, 08:59:19 AM »
I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

because he does not like the way the communion is served in the Orthodox Church.
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2014, 09:03:50 AM »
I know someone just like that. He has a theory that the communicant should not be called the "servant of God" but the "friend of God" and for this reason the way communion is given is doctrinally incorrect.

He also believes that he was secretly and miraculously made a priest after seeing a vision of the Cross and has been known to give people blessings when the real priests aren't looking. He also wears a monastic skoufa (along with a dark suit and turtle neck) and never eats meat.

Are we talking about the same person?

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2014, 09:08:49 AM »
I know someone just like that. He has a theory that the communicant should not be called the "servant of God" but the "friend of God" and for this reason the way communion is given is doctrinally incorrect.

He also believes that he was secretly and miraculously made a priest after seeing a vision of the Cross and has been known to give people blessings when the real priests aren't looking. He also wears a monastic skoufa (along with a dark suit and turtle neck) and never eats meat.

Are we talking about the same person?

Absolutely not.

"the way the kinonia is served" refers to the use of the same spoon for the whole parish.
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2014, 09:11:58 AM »
I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

He's Greek

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2014, 09:44:15 AM »
I know someone just like that. He has a theory that the communicant should not be called the "servant of God" but the "friend of God" and for this reason the way communion is given is doctrinally incorrect.

He also believes that he was secretly and miraculously made a priest after seeing a vision of the Cross and has been known to give people blessings when the real priests aren't looking. He also wears a monastic skoufa (along with a dark suit and turtle neck) and never eats meat.

Are we talking about the same person?

I think that guy called my office phone a few times.
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2014, 10:16:12 AM »
Why would one get married and have a beautiful banquet with your beloved, only not to embrace Him?

Because they speak Arabic on the banquet.

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2014, 10:37:35 AM »
Why would one get married and have a beautiful banquet with your beloved, only not to embrace Him?

Because they speak Arabic on the banquet.

ahahahahahaha....  :D ;D :D  NOT funny though  ::)
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2014, 10:47:51 AM »
I know someone just like that. He has a theory that the communicant should not be called the "servant of God" but the "friend of God" and for this reason the way communion is given is doctrinally incorrect.

He also believes that he was secretly and miraculously made a priest after seeing a vision of the Cross and has been known to give people blessings when the real priests aren't looking. He also wears a monastic skoufa (along with a dark suit and turtle neck) and never eats meat.

Are we talking about the same person?

Is this who I think it is?
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2014, 10:48:26 AM »
I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

because he does not like the way the communion is served in the Orthodox Church.

What about it does he not like?
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2014, 10:59:16 AM »
I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

because he does not like the way the communion is served in the Orthodox Church.

What about it does he not like?

that everyone takes kinonia from the same spoon
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2014, 11:04:34 AM »
I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

I have a simple answer:

The thing that happens is that such a person does not take communion.

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2014, 11:07:32 AM »
Why would one get married and have a beautiful banquet with your beloved, only not to embrace Him?

maybe because he would not want others around him at the banquet and would like to be the only person to embrace the beloved ;)
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2014, 11:11:18 AM »
I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

I have a simple answer:

The thing that happens is that such a person does not take communion.

Simple and true! Thanks!

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2014, 02:01:32 PM »
What about it does he not like?

that everyone takes kinonia from the same spoon

What is his objection to that?  How would he prefer it be done? 
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2014, 02:38:12 PM »
What about it does he not like?

that everyone takes kinonia from the same spoon

What is his objection to that?  How would he prefer it be done? 

old style, similar to the way Roman Catholics receive communion these days
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2014, 03:13:50 PM »
What is his objection to that?  How would he prefer it be done? 

old style, similar to the way Roman Catholics receive communion these days

I could keep asking questions, but I suspect it doesn't make much difference.  If this person "fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often" but is able to consistently refuse to receive Communion over such a small matter, he needs to discuss this with his confessor.  Since all of the things he supposedly does find their fulfillment in the Eucharist, there is a fundamental problem if a spoon presents such an obstacle to union with God, and I'm not sure that the problem is with God or the spoon.     
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2014, 03:20:05 PM »
Some guy left my parish and started a whole new one because he didn't like the deacon distributing communion.
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2014, 03:25:28 PM »
Some guy left my parish and started a whole new one because he didn't like the deacon distributing communion.

You know what they say about the requirements for a new AA meeting:

You just need two drunks, a coffee pot, and a resentment.

When you apply this seemingly applicable logic to the the advent and growth of the USA, its history and present state aren't so bewildering.
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2014, 04:09:07 PM »
Some guy left my parish and started a whole new one because he didn't like the deacon distributing communion.

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2014, 04:21:04 PM »
I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Wouldn't he be considered a deviant/innovator, by others in the faith?


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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2014, 04:31:50 PM »
I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Wouldn't he be considered a deviant/innovator, by others in the faith?



He would likely be joined by most others in his behavior or at least it would go unnoticed in all but the most hyperdox of OCA / Evochian parishes.
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2014, 04:33:02 PM »
I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Wouldn't he be considered a deviant/innovator, by others in the faith?



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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2014, 04:34:26 PM »
I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Wouldn't he be considered a deviant/innovator, by others in the faith?



BTW Poppy, as glad as I am that you are bringing yourself to use English to speak English, you do know these words aren't the typical ones used in this context? I've yet to hear a Christian IRL call anyone a deviant or innovator for some break in faith or practice.
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2014, 04:45:28 PM »
Well this individual appears to have some irrational fear of germs, but it could be that individuals like this have a canonical impediment to receiving communion. Ultimately, it shouldn't be any one else's business.

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2014, 04:52:09 PM »
I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

He's Greek

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2014, 05:01:15 PM »
Well this individual appears to have some irrational fear of germs, but it could be that individuals like this have a canonical impediment to receiving communion. Ultimately, it shouldn't be any one else's business.

My suggestion to him: try receiving the kinonia on occasions other than the DL or when there is no one else to receive kinonia at the DL.
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2014, 05:07:59 PM »
I know someone just like that. He has a theory that the communicant should not be called the "servant of God" but the "friend of God" and for this reason the way communion is given is doctrinally incorrect.

He also believes that he was secretly and miraculously made a priest after seeing a vision of the Cross and has been known to give people blessings when the real priests aren't looking. He also wears a monastic skoufa (along with a dark suit and turtle neck) and never eats meat.

Are we talking about the same person?

Is he GOC or in another "True Orthodox" group?

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2014, 05:16:35 PM »
What is his objection to that?  How would he prefer it be done? 

old style, similar to the way Roman Catholics receive communion these days

I could keep asking questions, but I suspect it doesn't make much difference.  If this person "fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often" but is able to consistently refuse to receive Communion over such a small matter, he needs to discuss this with his confessor.  Since all of the things he supposedly does find their fulfillment in the Eucharist, there is a fundamental problem if a spoon presents such an obstacle to union with God, and I'm not sure that the problem is with God or the spoon.     

Some teacher of the faith somewhere states that a faithful who spurns the holy gifts excommunicates himself.   But I'm really lacking on the specifics there.  Anyone?   

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2014, 05:18:09 PM »
I know someone just like that. He has a theory that the communicant should not be called the "servant of God" but the "friend of God" and for this reason the way communion is given is doctrinally incorrect.

He also believes that he was secretly and miraculously made a priest after seeing a vision of the Cross and has been known to give people blessings when the real priests aren't looking. He also wears a monastic skoufa (along with a dark suit and turtle neck) and never eats meat.

Are we talking about the same person?

Is he GOC or in another "True Orthodox" group?

Does it matter?

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2014, 05:36:00 PM »
Some teacher of the faith somewhere states that a faithful who spurns the holy gifts excommunicates himself.   But I'm really lacking on the specifics there.  Anyone?   

It's kinda selfexplanatory, isn't it?

I know someone just like that. He has a theory that the communicant should not be called the "servant of God" but the "friend of God" and for this reason the way communion is given is doctrinally incorrect.

He also believes that he was secretly and miraculously made a priest after seeing a vision of the Cross and has been known to give people blessings when the real priests aren't looking. He also wears a monastic skoufa (along with a dark suit and turtle neck) and never eats meat.

Are we talking about the same person?

Is he GOC or in another "True Orthodox" group?

Does it matter?

That would explain stuff.

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2014, 05:43:46 PM »
Some teacher of the faith somewhere states that a faithful who spurns the holy gifts excommunicates himself.   But I'm really lacking on the specifics there.  Anyone?   

It's kinda selfexplanatory, isn't it?


Well, yeah, but someone with more authority than you or me said it.  That's what I'd like to know. 


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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2014, 05:44:04 PM »
Well this individual appears to have some irrational fear of germs, but it could be that individuals like this have a canonical impediment to receiving communion. Ultimately, it shouldn't be any one else's business.

My suggestion to him: try receiving the kinonia on occasions other than the DL or when there is no one else to receive kinonia at the DL.

What a bizarre recommendation.  All it does is create unnecessary work and hardship for the priest without ever getting to the root of the individual's problem.  
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2014, 05:45:46 PM »
Some teacher of the faith somewhere states that a faithful who spurns the holy gifts excommunicates himself.   But I'm really lacking on the specifics there.  Anyone?   

The teaching is correct, obviously, but the description is not enough for me to place it.  Maybe someone else knows. 
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2014, 05:46:56 PM »
I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

He's Greek

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2014, 05:50:00 PM »
I know someone just like that. He has a theory that the communicant should not be called the "servant of God" but the "friend of God" and for this reason the way communion is given is doctrinally incorrect.

He also believes that he was secretly and miraculously made a priest after seeing a vision of the Cross and has been known to give people blessings when the real priests aren't looking. He also wears a monastic skoufa (along with a dark suit and turtle neck) and never eats meat.

Are we talking about the same person?

Is he GOC or in another "True Orthodox" group?

Does it matter?

Yes, because people of the bent who are willing to (Mods what word am I allowed to use? The stated rules no longer seem expansive enough given recent moderatorial action) over something a silly as "ecumenism" or a calendar, will likely find something "wrong" wherever they go and keep trying to find that first real church of the genuine Orthodox.
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #49 on: January 17, 2014, 05:51:38 PM »
Well, yeah, but someone with more authority than you or me said it.  That's what I'd like to know. 

Well... If you don't take Communion, you don't take Communion.

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #50 on: January 17, 2014, 05:55:35 PM »
I know someone just like that. He has a theory that the communicant should not be called the "servant of God" but the "friend of God" and for this reason the way communion is given is doctrinally incorrect.

He also believes that he was secretly and miraculously made a priest after seeing a vision of the Cross and has been known to give people blessings when the real priests aren't looking. He also wears a monastic skoufa (along with a dark suit and turtle neck) and never eats meat.

Are we talking about the same person?

Is he GOC or in another "True Orthodox" group?

Does it matter?

well, if I were a better I would bet money on it.  From my experience, such delusion seems epidemic in such groups.

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #51 on: January 17, 2014, 06:11:00 PM »
Well this individual appears to have some irrational fear of germs, but it could be that individuals like this have a canonical impediment to receiving communion. Ultimately, it shouldn't be any one else's business.

My suggestion to him: try receiving the kinonia on occasions other than the DL or when there is no one else to receive kinonia at the DL.

What a bizarre recommendation.  All it does is create unnecessary work and hardship for the priest without ever getting to the root of the individual's problem.  

better than never receiving kinonia.
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #52 on: January 17, 2014, 06:21:01 PM »
Isn't kinonia "economy"? I never heard of the body and blood of Christ as "economy".  He receives Jesus, or Yeshua if you want to maintain some sort of linguistic preference.  He receives Yeshua, not kinonia.
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« Reply #53 on: January 17, 2014, 06:40:10 PM »
Isn't kinonia "economy"? I never heard of the body and blood of Christ as "economy".  He receives Jesus, or Yeshua if you want to maintain some sort of linguistic preference.  He receives Yeshua, not kinonia.

kinonia means communion meal = Lord's supper = Yeshua
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #54 on: January 17, 2014, 07:10:43 PM »
What a bizarre recommendation.  All it does is create unnecessary work and hardship for the priest without ever getting to the root of the individual's problem.  

better than never receiving kinonia.

But the only thing preventing him from receiving Communion is himself. 
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #55 on: January 17, 2014, 07:15:13 PM »
Isn't kinonia "economy"? I never heard of the body and blood of Christ as "economy".  He receives Jesus, or Yeshua if you want to maintain some sort of linguistic preference.  He receives Yeshua, not kinonia.

kinonia means communion meal = Lord's supper = Yeshua

My mistake...

Next question...why mix Greek with Hebrew?
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #56 on: January 17, 2014, 07:22:39 PM »
Next question...why mix Greek with Hebrew?

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« Reply #57 on: January 17, 2014, 07:23:32 PM »
Next question...why mix Greek with Hebrew?

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xD That sounds like an evangelical slogan!
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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #58 on: January 17, 2014, 07:25:58 PM »
Next question...why mix Greek with Hebrew?

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xD That sounds like an evangelical slogan!

You can create an appropriate line of merchandise, but I want a cut of the profits. 
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« Reply #59 on: January 17, 2014, 07:28:38 PM »
Next question...why mix Greek with Hebrew?

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xD That sounds like an evangelical slogan!

You can create an appropriate line of merchandise, but I want a cut of the profits. 

We could seriously do this, and people would buy it xD Until our priests find out, but it'd be fun while it lasted.
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Next question...why mix Greek with Hebrew?

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« Reply #61 on: January 17, 2014, 08:03:26 PM »
Next question...why mix Greek with Hebrew?

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #62 on: January 17, 2014, 10:04:00 PM »
I know someone just like that. He has a theory that the communicant should not be called the "servant of God" but the "friend of God" and for this reason the way communion is given is doctrinally incorrect.

He also believes that he was secretly and miraculously made a priest after seeing a vision of the Cross and has been known to give people blessings when the real priests aren't looking. He also wears a monastic skoufa (along with a dark suit and turtle neck) and never eats meat.

Are we talking about the same person?

Is he GOC or in another "True Orthodox" group?

Does it matter?

well, if I were a better I would bet money on it.  From my experience, such delusion seems epidemic in such groups.

What if he were a member of your jurisdiction? What conclusions would you draw from it?

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #63 on: January 17, 2014, 10:09:11 PM »
I know someone just like that. He has a theory that the communicant should not be called the "servant of God" but the "friend of God" and for this reason the way communion is given is doctrinally incorrect.

He also believes that he was secretly and miraculously made a priest after seeing a vision of the Cross and has been known to give people blessings when the real priests aren't looking. He also wears a monastic skoufa (along with a dark suit and turtle neck) and never eats meat.

Are we talking about the same person?

Is he GOC or in another "True Orthodox" group?

Does it matter?

Yes, because people of the bent who are willing to (Mods what word am I allowed to use? The stated rules no longer seem expansive enough given recent moderatorial action) over something a silly as "ecumenism" or a calendar, will likely find something "wrong" wherever they go and keep trying to find that first real church of the genuine Orthodox.

Except that if he were, say, in the OCA, hacks like jah777 would dismiss his example as unrepresentative. Somehow freaks and weirdos only count for something if they show up your opposition.

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #64 on: January 21, 2014, 10:35:30 PM »
I know someone just like that. He has a theory that the communicant should not be called the "servant of God" but the "friend of God" and for this reason the way communion is given is doctrinally incorrect.

He also believes that he was secretly and miraculously made a priest after seeing a vision of the Cross and has been known to give people blessings when the real priests aren't looking. He also wears a monastic skoufa (along with a dark suit and turtle neck) and never eats meat.

Are we talking about the same person?

Is he GOC or in another "True Orthodox" group?

Does it matter?

Yes, because people of the bent who are willing to (Mods what word am I allowed to use? The stated rules no longer seem expansive enough given recent moderatorial action) over something a silly as "ecumenism" or a calendar, will likely find something "wrong" wherever they go and keep trying to find that first real church of the genuine Orthodox.

Except that if he were, say, in the OCA, hacks like jah777 would dismiss his example as unrepresentative. Somehow freaks and weirdos only count for something if they show up your opposition.

I can tell by your response that my assumption is probably correct.  I only have seen such severe examples of delusion in various "True Orthodox" groups, and this is easily understandable if one considers the kind of thinking and the particular passions that lead many to join such groups.  Such examples may very well exist in the Orthodox Church as well, I just haven't observed this phenomenon there as I have seen it among the groups that have broken away for one reason or another.

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #65 on: January 22, 2014, 01:21:06 AM »
In anticipation that this is going to turn into an ugly debate about Traditionalist vs. Canonical Orthodoxy, I want to remind you all to stay on topic please.  If you like, start a new thread.

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #66 on: January 22, 2014, 02:12:52 AM »
I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

because he does not like the way the communion is served in the Orthodox Church.

What about it does he not like?

that everyone takes kinonia from the same spoon

If its about germs, he should just be up front, and plow over anybody who gets in his way!
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Re: About receiving the Lord
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If its about germs, he should just be up front, and plow over anybody who gets in his way!

Even before the priest? That would be hard.

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If its about germs, he should just be up front, and plow over anybody who gets in his way!

Even before the priest? That would be hard.

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Re: About receiving the Lord
« Reply #69 on: January 22, 2014, 08:40:45 AM »
Well, priests drink directly from the cup. Cannot get before that.