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« on: January 16, 2014, 07:55:01 PM »

I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2014, 08:51:33 PM »

If he is attending liturgy is he not experiencing communion with the body of Christ? Or are you speaking of the Eucharist?
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2014, 08:53:36 PM »

If he is attending liturgy is he not experiencing communion with the body of Christ? Or are you speaking of the Eucharist?

Yes, if he attends the liturgy from the start to the dismissal but never partakes of Yeshua's Body and Blood...
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2014, 09:03:41 PM »

If he is attending liturgy is he not experiencing communion with the body of Christ? Or are you speaking of the Eucharist?

Yes, if he attends the liturgy from the start to the dismissal but never partakes of Yeshua's Body and Blood...

Then in accordance with the words of Christ, he shall have no life in him.
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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2014, 09:05:24 PM »

If he is attending liturgy is he not experiencing communion with the body of Christ? Or are you speaking of the Eucharist?

Yes, if he attends the liturgy from the start to the dismissal but never partakes of Yeshua's Body and Blood...

Then in accordance with the words of Christ, he shall have no life in him.

What about spiritual communion? That would not save that person?
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2014, 11:36:21 PM »

I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2014, 11:37:45 PM »

I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

You beat me to it ....
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2014, 11:52:14 PM »

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

You beat me to it ....

That's because we're awesome! 
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2014, 11:54:04 PM »

I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

He's Greek
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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2014, 11:58:46 PM »

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

He's Greek

That only demonstrates that he's not Mexican, which is an absolute plus, but still irrelevant: I'd still want to receive Communion if I was as prepared as the hypothetical person in the OP, so I'm curious as to what else is going on. 
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2014, 12:00:26 AM »

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

He's Greek

 I'd still want to receive Communion if I was as prepared as the hypothetical person in the OP, so I'm curious as to what else is going on. 

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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2014, 12:03:18 AM »

Why would one get married and have a beautiful banquet with your beloved, only not to embrace Him?
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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2014, 08:56:44 AM »

I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

He's Greek

No, not a correct guess. He is neither Greek nor Mexican.  Grin
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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2014, 08:58:35 AM »

Why would one get married and have a beautiful banquet with your beloved, only not to embrace Him?

maybe because he would not want others around him at the banquet and would like to be the only person to embrace the beloved Wink
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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2014, 08:59:19 AM »

I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

because he does not like the way the communion is served in the Orthodox Church.
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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2014, 09:03:50 AM »

I know someone just like that. He has a theory that the communicant should not be called the "servant of God" but the "friend of God" and for this reason the way communion is given is doctrinally incorrect.

He also believes that he was secretly and miraculously made a priest after seeing a vision of the Cross and has been known to give people blessings when the real priests aren't looking. He also wears a monastic skoufa (along with a dark suit and turtle neck) and never eats meat.

Are we talking about the same person?
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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2014, 09:08:49 AM »

I know someone just like that. He has a theory that the communicant should not be called the "servant of God" but the "friend of God" and for this reason the way communion is given is doctrinally incorrect.

He also believes that he was secretly and miraculously made a priest after seeing a vision of the Cross and has been known to give people blessings when the real priests aren't looking. He also wears a monastic skoufa (along with a dark suit and turtle neck) and never eats meat.

Are we talking about the same person?

Absolutely not.

"the way the kinonia is served" refers to the use of the same spoon for the whole parish.
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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2014, 09:11:58 AM »

I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

He's Greek

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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2014, 09:44:15 AM »

I know someone just like that. He has a theory that the communicant should not be called the "servant of God" but the "friend of God" and for this reason the way communion is given is doctrinally incorrect.

He also believes that he was secretly and miraculously made a priest after seeing a vision of the Cross and has been known to give people blessings when the real priests aren't looking. He also wears a monastic skoufa (along with a dark suit and turtle neck) and never eats meat.

Are we talking about the same person?

I think that guy called my office phone a few times.
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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2014, 10:16:12 AM »

Why would one get married and have a beautiful banquet with your beloved, only not to embrace Him?

Because they speak Arabic on the banquet.
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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2014, 10:37:35 AM »

Why would one get married and have a beautiful banquet with your beloved, only not to embrace Him?

Because they speak Arabic on the banquet.

ahahahahahaha....  Cheesy Grin Cheesy  NOT funny though  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2014, 10:47:51 AM »

I know someone just like that. He has a theory that the communicant should not be called the "servant of God" but the "friend of God" and for this reason the way communion is given is doctrinally incorrect.

He also believes that he was secretly and miraculously made a priest after seeing a vision of the Cross and has been known to give people blessings when the real priests aren't looking. He also wears a monastic skoufa (along with a dark suit and turtle neck) and never eats meat.

Are we talking about the same person?

Is this who I think it is?
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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2014, 10:48:26 AM »

I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

because he does not like the way the communion is served in the Orthodox Church.

What about it does he not like?
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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2014, 10:59:16 AM »

I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

because he does not like the way the communion is served in the Orthodox Church.

What about it does he not like?

that everyone takes kinonia from the same spoon
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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2014, 11:04:34 AM »

I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

I have a simple answer:

The thing that happens is that such a person does not take communion.
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« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2014, 11:07:32 AM »

Why would one get married and have a beautiful banquet with your beloved, only not to embrace Him?

maybe because he would not want others around him at the banquet and would like to be the only person to embrace the beloved Wink
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« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2014, 11:11:18 AM »

I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

I have a simple answer:

The thing that happens is that such a person does not take communion.

Simple and true! Thanks!

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« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2014, 02:01:32 PM »

What about it does he not like?

that everyone takes kinonia from the same spoon

What is his objection to that?  How would he prefer it be done? 
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« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2014, 02:38:12 PM »

What about it does he not like?

that everyone takes kinonia from the same spoon

What is his objection to that?  How would he prefer it be done? 

old style, similar to the way Roman Catholics receive communion these days
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« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2014, 03:13:50 PM »

What is his objection to that?  How would he prefer it be done? 

old style, similar to the way Roman Catholics receive communion these days

I could keep asking questions, but I suspect it doesn't make much difference.  If this person "fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often" but is able to consistently refuse to receive Communion over such a small matter, he needs to discuss this with his confessor.  Since all of the things he supposedly does find their fulfillment in the Eucharist, there is a fundamental problem if a spoon presents such an obstacle to union with God, and I'm not sure that the problem is with God or the spoon.     
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« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2014, 03:20:05 PM »

Some guy left my parish and started a whole new one because he didn't like the deacon distributing communion.
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« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2014, 03:25:28 PM »

Some guy left my parish and started a whole new one because he didn't like the deacon distributing communion.

You know what they say about the requirements for a new AA meeting:

You just need two drunks, a coffee pot, and a resentment.

When you apply this seemingly applicable logic to the the advent and growth of the USA, its history and present state aren't so bewildering.
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« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2014, 04:09:07 PM »

Some guy left my parish and started a whole new one because he didn't like the deacon distributing communion.

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« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2014, 04:21:04 PM »

I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Wouldn't he be considered a deviant/innovator, by others in the faith?

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« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2014, 04:31:50 PM »

I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Wouldn't he be considered a deviant/innovator, by others in the faith?



He would likely be joined by most others in his behavior or at least it would go unnoticed in all but the most hyperdox of OCA / Evochian parishes.
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« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2014, 04:33:02 PM »

I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Wouldn't he be considered a deviant/innovator, by others in the faith?



Some would do that too!
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« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2014, 04:34:26 PM »

I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Wouldn't he be considered a deviant/innovator, by others in the faith?



BTW Poppy, as glad as I am that you are bringing yourself to use English to speak English, you do know these words aren't the typical ones used in this context? I've yet to hear a Christian IRL call anyone a deviant or innovator for some break in faith or practice.
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« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2014, 04:45:28 PM »

Well this individual appears to have some irrational fear of germs, but it could be that individuals like this have a canonical impediment to receiving communion. Ultimately, it shouldn't be any one else's business.
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« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2014, 04:52:09 PM »

I have a simple question:

WHAT HAPPENS IF a baptized Orthodox Christian who fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often never receives kinonia?

Why does he do all of this and refrain from receiving Communion? 

He's Greek

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« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2014, 05:01:15 PM »

Well this individual appears to have some irrational fear of germs, but it could be that individuals like this have a canonical impediment to receiving communion. Ultimately, it shouldn't be any one else's business.

My suggestion to him: try receiving the kinonia on occasions other than the DL or when there is no one else to receive kinonia at the DL.
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« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2014, 05:07:59 PM »

I know someone just like that. He has a theory that the communicant should not be called the "servant of God" but the "friend of God" and for this reason the way communion is given is doctrinally incorrect.

He also believes that he was secretly and miraculously made a priest after seeing a vision of the Cross and has been known to give people blessings when the real priests aren't looking. He also wears a monastic skoufa (along with a dark suit and turtle neck) and never eats meat.

Are we talking about the same person?

Is he GOC or in another "True Orthodox" group?
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« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2014, 05:16:35 PM »

What is his objection to that?  How would he prefer it be done? 

old style, similar to the way Roman Catholics receive communion these days

I could keep asking questions, but I suspect it doesn't make much difference.  If this person "fasts and prays often, attends the DL every week and on feasts, and confesses his sins often" but is able to consistently refuse to receive Communion over such a small matter, he needs to discuss this with his confessor.  Since all of the things he supposedly does find their fulfillment in the Eucharist, there is a fundamental problem if a spoon presents such an obstacle to union with God, and I'm not sure that the problem is with God or the spoon.     

Some teacher of the faith somewhere states that a faithful who spurns the holy gifts excommunicates himself.   But I'm really lacking on the specifics there.  Anyone?   
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« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2014, 05:18:09 PM »

I know someone just like that. He has a theory that the communicant should not be called the "servant of God" but the "friend of God" and for this reason the way communion is given is doctrinally incorrect.

He also believes that he was secretly and miraculously made a priest after seeing a vision of the Cross and has been known to give people blessings when the real priests aren't looking. He also wears a monastic skoufa (along with a dark suit and turtle neck) and never eats meat.

Are we talking about the same person?

Is he GOC or in another "True Orthodox" group?

Does it matter?
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« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2014, 05:36:00 PM »

Some teacher of the faith somewhere states that a faithful who spurns the holy gifts excommunicates himself.   But I'm really lacking on the specifics there.  Anyone?   

It's kinda selfexplanatory, isn't it?

I know someone just like that. He has a theory that the communicant should not be called the "servant of God" but the "friend of God" and for this reason the way communion is given is doctrinally incorrect.

He also believes that he was secretly and miraculously made a priest after seeing a vision of the Cross and has been known to give people blessings when the real priests aren't looking. He also wears a monastic skoufa (along with a dark suit and turtle neck) and never eats meat.

Are we talking about the same person?

Is he GOC or in another "True Orthodox" group?

Does it matter?

That would explain stuff.
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« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2014, 05:43:46 PM »

Some teacher of the faith somewhere states that a faithful who spurns the holy gifts excommunicates himself.   But I'm really lacking on the specifics there.  Anyone?   

It's kinda selfexplanatory, isn't it?


Well, yeah, but someone with more authority than you or me said it.  That's what I'd like to know. 

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