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Offline J Michael

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Re: "I deserve to be happy" "I deserve..."
« Reply #45 on: January 15, 2014, 05:15:06 PM »
You'll have to be more specific about the context or intended target if you want me to pontificate and make sweeping generalizations.
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Re: "I deserve to be happy" "I deserve..."
« Reply #46 on: January 15, 2014, 05:55:36 PM »
Where does that crap come from anyway? Seriously.

 I heard an Englishman on a radio program stating that Americans are eternal optimists and I think he's probably on to something.  I think it's in our cultural DNA beginning with the Declaration of Independence; "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."  on into the Manifest Destiniy, the Industrial Revolution and the "Shining City on a Hill" defining American exceptionalism.  I think we run into trouble by listening to the pharmaceutical companies package "happiness" in pill form.
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Re: "I deserve to be happy" "I deserve..."
« Reply #47 on: March 23, 2014, 02:13:46 PM »
Huh...how oddly fortuitous. I was just lecturing the tiny people on the tv about this subject earlier this morning: "Shut up, quit whining, be grateful for what you've got, get on with it and do something for someone else for a change."

Of course, they didn't respond and the dog left the room.

Even the dog disagrees  :)
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Re: "I deserve to be happy" "I deserve..."
« Reply #48 on: March 23, 2014, 02:17:54 PM »
Happiness includes, even in its etymology, an element of luck. It just 'happens'. It is by definition random and transient. I wouldn't rely on it.

I've once heard someone say that you're happy the moment you choose to be. I thought there was some merit in that statement.
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Re: "I deserve to be happy" "I deserve..."
« Reply #49 on: March 23, 2014, 02:18:30 PM »
Noone deserves happiness.

Don't we all pray stuff to the point of "I, the unworthy"? Are we serious when we say that or something to that effect?

The very concept of Grace is that we are given something that we do not deserve, that we are unworthy to receive.

But, alas, happiness feels so very good. And there are two approaches to it "Pursue or conquer it", and "choose it". The first is still in the concept we can do something to deserve it, the second acknowledges noone can merit it, but it goes to the opposite extreme and the "catch" is that it makes us believe *we* can choose it. It's ok when someone faces a serious limitation like Nick Vujicic. But when people simply decide to do nothing and that yet they will feel happy nevertheless, it's just self-delusion.

All virtues and good things can turn into "temptations of the right" as Elder Arsenie put it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZqCFu2ejoc
Happiness is just another good thing that our culture has perverted. When more happiness leads us away from God, when we feel happy in doing ungodly things, then "more" is "worse".

What do you mean by "choosing your happiness" ?
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Re: "I deserve to be happy" "I deserve..."
« Reply #50 on: March 23, 2014, 02:19:37 PM »
Happiness includes, even in its etymology, an element of luck. It just 'happens'. It is by definition random and transient. I wouldn't rely on it.

I've once heard someone say that you're happy the moment you choose to be. I thought there was some merit in that statement.

What do you mean? How is happiness a choice? If everything in your life is upside down how can you be happy?   ::)
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Re: "I deserve to be happy" "I deserve..."
« Reply #51 on: March 23, 2014, 02:30:08 PM »
Happiness includes, even in its etymology, an element of luck. It just 'happens'. It is by definition random and transient. I wouldn't rely on it.

Contentment, on the other hand, is something that everyone can work on and achieve, regardless of their actual circumstances.

I think happiness trumps contentment any time.
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Re: "I deserve to be happy" "I deserve..."
« Reply #52 on: March 23, 2014, 02:41:54 PM »
Happiness includes, even in its etymology, an element of luck. It just 'happens'. It is by definition random and transient. I wouldn't rely on it.

I've once heard someone say that you're happy the moment you choose to be. I thought there was some merit in that statement.

What do you mean? How is happiness a choice? If everything in your life is upside down how can you be happy?   ::)

Haven't you ever wondered why happiness and the greatest joy can be found among the most hopeless of people and the greatest sadness and depression among those who are universally considered to be protégées of fortune and who appear to possess everything one could desire?

Happiness, I think, is not the absence of hardships or setback, but the way you handle them. Were the absence of hardships the requirement for happiness nobody alive would be happy, since hardships are unavoidable and indeed a fact of life. To a great extent happiness and equanimity are synonyms.

At least, that's what I believe.
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Re: "I deserve to be happy" "I deserve..."
« Reply #53 on: March 23, 2014, 02:54:21 PM »
"hopeless" people are usually less intelligent than "protégées of fortune" . I would say the answer to that is just ignorance. One who is more ignorant has inferior expectations than one who is less ignorant. I also think it is a matter of IQ.
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Re: "I deserve to be happy" "I deserve..."
« Reply #54 on: March 23, 2014, 03:03:56 PM »
One who is more ignorant has inferior expectations than one who is less ignorant.

The amount of happiness and the amount of money on your bank account don't correlate.
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Re: "I deserve to be happy" "I deserve..."
« Reply #55 on: March 23, 2014, 03:06:29 PM »
One who is more ignorant has inferior expectations than one who is less ignorant.

The amount of happiness and the amount of money on your bank account don't correlate.

Because happiness is not objective.
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