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Re: Can I even trust the experience of people only married once?
« Reply #180 on: January 15, 2014, 10:02:56 AM »
Why can't my question to LBK stand? I am asking if having promiscious sex makes that woman a slut. It's a yes or no answer.

Several people read it as a gross insult instead of a question and were disgusted by it. It was very poorly phrased at best.

It was pretty basic English. I can't remember even if the comma was dropped or not. I really don't care about the question, but thought you and Michal would be interested in this English usage.
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Re: Can I even trust the experience of people only married once?
« Reply #181 on: January 15, 2014, 10:03:50 AM »
Or you can have a wife that is both attractive and all of the other great qualities in a woman.

What the women on here make the mistake of when I say "slut" is I am not degrading women or finding them lesser than men.

If they actually read instead of being appalled, they will know I elevate women higher than men. But just like men, women in my eyes have to meet certain requirements to be on the "pedastal".

A woman that is chaste and maintaining her virginity until marriage or until she meets me, but also exhibiting all the wonderful feminie qualities of a woman will evoke nothing but awe and respect from me.

Those are the women we need to bring forth to the center and give them the attention they rightfully deserve. As a society, we make an example out of the women that have no disregard for their bodies and themselves, but wrongly think this is how it should be...or atleast what the male wants.

We need to change that, and go back to when being a virgin was much much more valued.

Now people will argue, well wait a second Shiny couldn't a woman have a lot of sex then decide to have serious monogamous relationships that last a long time? Sure, but at that point it is too late. Your late teens and early twenties are really the prime time to developing real interests that last over the long term let alone developing adult skills such as cooking, have a decent taste in music, cultivating class, engaging in more fortituious intellectual pursuits, cleaning, etc.

And most of those sluts that are reformed to be in relationships now, don't have the skills above. All they can really do is certain things in the bedroom and talk insistantly.

We need to back to really valuing the best qualities of a woman because after all they can be the most beautiful thing God has ever created.

As you have been boasting about several times here about your premarital sex, why won't YOU start to require some standards from yourself first? Since you fit nothing you expect from others.

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Re: Can I even trust the experience of people only married once?
« Reply #182 on: January 15, 2014, 10:04:33 AM »
Michal and me weren't the only ones who complained. We were the only ones to do so in this thread.
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Re: Can I even trust the experience of people only married once?
« Reply #183 on: January 15, 2014, 10:05:43 AM »
Why can't my question to LBK stand? I am asking if having promiscious sex makes that woman a slut. It's a yes or no answer.

Several people read it as a gross insult instead of a question and were disgusted by it. It was very poorly phrased at best.
I think it is important that I make clear exactly what I mean by it.

Just ask the question and phrase it in such a way that it doesn't look like an insult to LBK. Several persons read it as an insult to LBK.
Read orthonorm's post.

Why would I ever think about insulting LBK?

She is cool with me and I actually do like talking to her outside of the board once and awhile.
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Re: Can I even trust the experience of people only married once?
« Reply #184 on: January 15, 2014, 10:06:33 AM »
I'm not saying you did that, I'm only saying that it was very poorly phrased and that several people read it as an insult and took great offence with it.

What orthonorm says does make sense.
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Re: Can I even trust the experience of people only married once?
« Reply #185 on: January 15, 2014, 10:08:27 AM »
Michal and me weren't the only ones who complained. We were the only ones to do so in this thread.

Oh, well at least you two now understand one English construction better than native speakers do evidently.
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Re: Can I even trust the experience of people only married once?
« Reply #186 on: January 15, 2014, 10:09:05 AM »
I actually do like talking to her outside of the board once and awhile.

No idea whom should I sympathize more.

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Re: Can I even trust the experience of people only married once?
« Reply #187 on: January 15, 2014, 10:09:58 AM »
As you have been boasting about several times here about your premarital sex, why won't YOU start to require some standards from yourself first? Since you fit nothing you expect from others.
LOL, I just read my quote: "It ain't premarital sex if you aren't getting married". Awesome.

I dunno Michal, it is difficult to respond to someone where English isn't their primary language. Something I could say may be misconstrued.

To be frank, there's a few things nearly all women go after. I will say that there is nothing stopping another woman from having ridicously high standards either.

How is it my problem if I have a mate that meets everything I am looking for, yet she doesn't have the same standards in return?
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Re: Can I even trust the experience of people only married once?
« Reply #188 on: January 15, 2014, 10:12:12 AM »
*bleep*

Yet one more prove you do it just for seeking attention and not for any serious reason whatsoever.

And this time you did not keep the rules.

Can't we just ignore his trolling and wish he would go as no one would be taking care of him?

As Quinalt noted while some (a few but there were) of his posts used to be merithoric and serious in the past for last several months none was.
Sorry, it was more of a question for LBK.

Where I come from, someone who has a lot of promiscious sex is a slut and I'll explain further why this matters when it comes to dating and relationships.

Unlike the desperate men on this board who will take any woman he can, I have certain criteria and standards that very few women can measure up to.

That the men here who get defensive and play the white knight, are only doing so to rationalize their own worth and their partner's.

If you actually read what I write here and in the other thread, I was quite clear where I stood and that it's not something you can argue with.
Shiny, how dare you judge the men on here and why the choose the spouses that they do! I'm not quite sure you specifically you are refering to, but by the phrase "men on this board", I can only imagine it was a blanket statement directed towards every male here engaged in a serious relationship. That is extremely demeaning to the wives and relationships of the people here all because you have some strange inferiority complex about your penis. You can say I'm being defensive or a white knight and maybe I am, but I will always stick up for my wife and damn the consequences. I did not "settle", I pursued my wife for 4 years before she agreed to a date with me. I was not interested in anyone else, and I'll be damned if anyone is going to come along and generalize my relationship as a "desperate guy settling".

That is all I'm going to say, and probably for awhile because I'm guessing I will be put on mute for my language, but idc, because your statement was the most offensive, insulting piece of jackassery that I have ever read on this board.



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Re: Can I even trust the experience of people only married once?
« Reply #189 on: January 15, 2014, 10:13:37 AM »
LOL, I just read my quote: "It ain't premarital sex if you aren't getting married". Awesome.

What about remaining 4 quotes?

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I dunno Michal, it is difficult to respond to someone where English isn't their primary language. Something I could say may be misconstrued.

Does it mean your boasting about premarital sex was not true? And all of that was just your fantasies you considered to be real? Damn, I am lost again.
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Re: Can I even trust the experience of people only married once?
« Reply #190 on: January 15, 2014, 10:15:02 AM »
If they actually read instead of being appalled, they will know I elevate women higher than men. But just like men, women in my eyes have to meet certain requirements to be on the "pedastal".

No sensible woman would ever want to be on a pedestal. It's cold, hard, lonely, and covered in bird droppings.
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Re: Can I even trust the experience of people only married once?
« Reply #191 on: January 15, 2014, 10:17:57 AM »
Also this is for EVERYONE:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,55990.msg1062775.html#msg1062775

If you have any problems with the above and my views on women, please quote and respond.

Really the above should cause no offense or insult. I hope I have been clear and not as disgusting as few make me out to be.


I'll go on record to say I find this use very offensive.   For one thing, being up on a pedestal is a bit of a trap if the men doing the admiring of the pure woman up on the pedestal act contrary to the ideal the woman must be held to.

I grew up after the women's movement, but still had to deal with a lot of the misogyny left over from earlier days.    There's a movie by  Martin Scorsese that really shows the double standard, it's called Who's That Knocking At My Door.   He did it in film school, and to get it shown in a theater, he could only find a Porno Theater to show it so he had to put in one scene to make it Porno-Theater acceptable.  This scene is so tame by today's standards, you see much worse in a Heavy Metal music video.   But, anyway, back to this movie, the story is of a guy played by a young Harvey Keitel, wo meets a beautiful woman on a subway.  He idealizes her, and she is definately a quality girl. Smart, educated, beautiful.    While he is pursuing her, he is acting like a sophmoric idiot with the neighborhood guys who just want to get laid.   At the end of the movie, she finally reveals she is not a virgin because she had been raped.  Harvy's character erupts with such rage at her, because she could no longer be idealized.  This double standard is so degrading and insulting.

There's a recent book out called "The Girls WHo Went Away" about the girls that had to leave town to have babies out of wedlock prior to Roe V Wade.   The stories are heart breaking.  It also shows how the guys were slapped on the back and had great reputations by their fraternity buddies, etc, and how callous they were to the girls whose bodies they were using for amusement.   What would be a good name to call these type of guys?

Anyway,  I really don't like the slut word and how it is being used.

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Re: Can I even trust the experience of people only married once?
« Reply #192 on: January 15, 2014, 10:18:46 AM »
Oh dear, time to withdraw.

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Re: Can I even trust the experience of people only married once?
« Reply #193 on: January 15, 2014, 10:25:33 AM »
This scene is so tame by today's standards, you see much worse in a Heavy Metal music video.

Don't you mean hip hop or rap? Heavy metal doesn't show a lot of nudity, except possibly the tattoed chests of hairy wannabe-viking males.
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Re: Can I even trust the experience of people only married once?
« Reply #194 on: January 15, 2014, 10:26:56 AM »
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Why would I ever think about insulting LBK?

Achronos/Shiny, you just did. And in the vilest way anyone could towards a woman. English is my first language, and I don't buy your attempt to spin your quote onto something it's not.

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She is cool with me and I actually do like talking to her outside of the board once and awhile.

I will not have words put into by mouth, least of all you.  >:( >:( >:( >:(

I am not "cool with you", I am disgusted with you, as I said earlier on this thread. And it's not the first time in recent months, either.



   
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Re: Can I even trust the experience of people only married once?
« Reply #195 on: January 15, 2014, 10:32:16 AM »
Why can't my question to LBK stand? I am asking if having promiscious sex makes that woman a slut. It's a yes or no answer.

Several people read it as a gross insult instead of a question and were disgusted by it. It was very poorly phrased at best.

It was pretty basic English. I can't remember even if the comma was dropped or not. I really don't care about the question, but thought you and Michal would be interested in this English usage.

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Re: Can I even trust the experience of people only married once?
« Reply #196 on: January 15, 2014, 10:33:55 AM »
*bleep*

Yet one more prove you do it just for seeking attention and not for any serious reason whatsoever.

And this time you did not keep the rules.

Can't we just ignore his trolling and wish he would go as no one would be taking care of him?

As Quinalt noted while some (a few but there were) of his posts used to be merithoric and serious in the past for last several months none was.
Sorry, it was more of a question for LBK.

Where I come from, someone who has a lot of promiscious sex is a slut and I'll explain further why this matters when it comes to dating and relationships.

Unlike the desperate men on this board who will take any woman he can, I have certain criteria and standards that very few women can measure up to.

That the men here who get defensive and play the white knight, are only doing so to rationalize their own worth and their partner's.

If you actually read what I write here and in the other thread, I was quite clear where I stood and that it's not something you can argue with.
Shiny, you are a little shit. How dare you judge the men on here and why the choose the spouses that they do! I'm not quite sure you specifically you are refering to, but by the phrase "men on this board", I can only imagine it was a blanket statement directed towards every male here engaged in a serious relationship. That is extremely demeaning to the wives and relationships of the people here all because you have some strange inferiority complex about your penis. You can say I'm being defensive or a white knight and maybe I am, but I will always stick up for my wife and damn the consequences. I did not "settle", I pursued my wife for 4 years before she agreed to a date with me. I was not interested in anyone else, and I'll be damned if anyone is going to come along and generalize my relationship as a "desperate guy settling".

That is all I'm going to say, and probably for awhile because I'm guessing I will be put on mute for my language, but idc, because your statement was the most offensive, insulting piece of jackassery that I have ever read on this board.
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Re: Can I even trust the experience of people only married once?
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