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« on: December 23, 2013, 09:40:57 AM »

If there is one thing the libtards do well is be PC about everything. Frankly I'd rather tell it like it is than beat around the bush on an issue.

Could you imagine if just saying something is "gay" turns into some kind of a racial slur or epiteph? I think the Robertson thing, even if he is an idiot, does serve to highlight a problem with getting offended at merely nothing at all.

The fact a few companies get upset to pull products and such is pretty scary. I couldn't imagine living in a world where I cant say whatever I want.
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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2013, 09:47:47 AM »

Now on the other hand those who make a mockery of certain atrocities and tragedies deserve rebuke. As much as there are plenty of jokes you can make of Jews and the Holocaust, I guess this does pose sort of a problem. Any new tragedy that happens seems to be instantly ridiculed and mocked. We have no shame.
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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2013, 10:06:45 AM »

Obviously you haven't been alive long enough to really sample the varieties of "PC" thinking. I remember the first months (years?) after 9/11 where it was extremely un-"PC" to oppose war in Afghanistan and Iraq, or point out that US foreign policy might have had a role in fomenting terrorism. That would be right-wing "political correctness".

Of course I have also experience the type of "PC"ness in some obscure left-wing subscultures where anyone who referred to a 12-year-old girl as a "girl" and not a "woman" was considered sexist, ageist, etc.

When people attempt to frame Obamacare as an intrusion of socialism/ communism, they are employing "political correctness." It is extremely politically incorrect to actually be a communist in American society.

Complaining about political correctness is politically correct. There is not a single group of any mainstream political persuasion that has not found it, at some point, opportune to announce its lack of political correctness. Everybody, at some point, likes to be seen as defiant of "political correctness." It is a vapid rhetorical bugbear.
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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2013, 10:13:40 AM »

And what about coporatese? Watering down the meaning of words?

I'm just saying this whole notion of accepting every group and individual out there just seems impossible. Can't please everybody.

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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2013, 10:16:03 AM »

And what about coporatese? Watering down the meaning of words?

This is just an expression of the general stupidity that pervades and is worshiped by our culture. Stupidity knows no political boundaries.

This reminds me of my favorite comedian-loses-it-moment:

Hitler had the right idea.
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2013, 10:21:31 AM »

I agree with you its just suffocating sometimes. And my eyes hurt from rolling so hard at some of the stuff I've seen. Banal bland boring whatever b word synonym here.
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2013, 11:01:26 AM »

I agree with you its just suffocating sometimes.

Why not ignore the pc thought police and speak what's on your mind?

Now on the other hand those who make a mockery of certain atrocities and tragedies deserve rebuke.

You can't have your cake and eat it.
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2013, 11:10:25 AM »

I agree with you its just suffocating sometimes.

Why not ignore the pc thought police and speak what's on your mind?

It's never completely possible. There's always some opinion which make you look like a complete idiot. Unless you go with the flow or don't mind being social hermit.
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2013, 11:17:55 AM »

I agree with you its just suffocating sometimes.

Why not ignore the pc thought police and speak what's on your mind?

Now on the other hand those who make a mockery of certain atrocities and tragedies deserve rebuke.

You can't have your cake and eat it.
Yeah I know, its a double standard.
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2013, 12:11:40 PM »

Yeah, people get so bent out of shape if you call someone a "nigger" or a "tar baby". Insane isn't it?
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One time I asked a prog-trog to rewrite fullwise upsub antefiling.  I don't think he bellyfelt me so I called Thinkpol on him.
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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2013, 12:16:40 PM »

Yeah, people get so bent out of shape if you call someone a "nigger" or a "tar baby". Insane isn't it?
So what words get you bent out of shape? "Fgt"?
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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2013, 12:17:02 PM »

One time I asked a prog-trog to rewrite fullwise upsub antefiling.  I don't think he bellyfelt me so I called Thinkpol on him.
I dont even know what you are saying.
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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2013, 12:24:02 PM »

Yeah, people get so bent out of shape if you call someone a "nigger" or a "tar baby". Insane isn't it?

Your point being...? Should we all cry and run to mommy civil right groups when people say mean stuff? Toughen up; the real world is full of meanies.
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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2013, 12:27:40 PM »

Yeah, people get so bent out of shape if you call someone a "nigger" or a "tar baby". Insane isn't it?
So what words get you bent out of shape? "Fgt"?
you can't even recognize sarcasm can you?
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« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2013, 12:30:47 PM »

The problem with political correctness in the way that you're conceiving of it, OP, is that it doesn't change your way of thinking, only your way of talking.
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« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2013, 12:31:07 PM »

Yeah, people get so bent out of shape if you call someone a "nigger" or a "tar baby". Insane isn't it?
So what words get you bent out of shape? "Fgt"?
you can't even recognize sarcasm can you?
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« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2013, 12:46:53 PM »

Obviously ...

... bugbear.

POTM nominee right there.
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« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2013, 01:01:13 PM »

One time I asked a prog-trog to rewrite fullwise upsub antefiling.  I don't think he bellyfelt me so I called Thinkpol on him.
I dont even know what you are saying.

What?  You must oldthink too much.  Big Brother says this is ungood.
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« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2013, 01:15:58 PM »

One time I asked a prog-trog to rewrite fullwise upsub antefiling.  I don't think he bellyfelt me so I called Thinkpol on him.
I dont even know what you are saying.

Read some more literature.
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One time I asked a prog-trog to rewrite fullwise upsub antefiling.  I don't think he bellyfelt me so I called Thinkpol on him.
I dont even know what you are saying.

What?  You must oldthink too much.  Big Brother says this is ungood.
Lol I was waiting for this.
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One time I asked a prog-trog to rewrite fullwise upsub antefiling.  I don't think he bellyfelt me so I called Thinkpol on him.
I dont even know what you are saying.

Read some more literature.
1985 is a pretty cool year.
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« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2013, 11:24:44 PM »

I agree with you its just suffocating sometimes.

Why not ignore the pc thought police and speak what's on your mind?

It's never completely possible. There's always some opinion which make you look like a complete idiot. Unless you go with the flow or don't mind being social hermit.

I think the key maybe is to get offended by others before they get offended by you and then get offended by those who get offended by you. That way, you will always have the first and last right to offendedness, something very sacred in PCness.
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« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2013, 11:26:02 PM »

Yeah, people get so bent out of shape if you call someone a "nigger" or a "tar baby". Insane isn't it?

Your point being...? Should we all cry and run to mommy civil right groups when people say mean stuff? Toughen up; the real world is full of meanies.

I thought you were European.
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« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2013, 06:29:13 AM »

Yeah, people get so bent out of shape if you call someone a "nigger" or a "tar baby". Insane isn't it?

Your point being...? Should we all cry and run to mommy civil right groups when people say mean stuff? Toughen up; the real world is full of meanies.

I thought you were European.

It's somewhat the same over here.
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« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2013, 07:40:09 AM »

Yeah, people get so bent out of shape if you call someone a "nigger" or a "tar baby". Insane isn't it?

Your point being...? Should we all cry and run to mommy civil right groups when people say mean stuff? Toughen up; the real world is full of meanies.

I thought you were European.

It's somewhat the same over here.

Of course it is. You're Dutch after all. It is always important to take heed of racial and national stereotypes.
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When I was a child I learned it was racist to say Negro, but how could I know? The documentaries we watched in school called "African Americans" Negros, and they themselves called themselves Negros such as the National Negro Committee, but either way, I still got told off for saying Negro

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When I was a child I learned it was racist to say Negro, but how could I know? The documentaries we watched in school called "African Americans" Negros, and they themselves called themselves Negros such as the National Negro Committee, but either way, I still got told off for saying Negro

They also say nigga which is derived from another similar sounding offensive word.

On another note, self-censuring is also a form of political correctness.  Wink
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When I was a child I learned it was racist to say Negro, but how could I know? The documentaries we watched in school called "African Americans" Negros, and they themselves called themselves Negros such as the National Negro Committee, but either way, I still got told off for saying Negro



When I was growing up, "Negro" was the proper term to refer to people of the Negroid race; (coming from the Spanish term for "Black," "Negro." Likewise, "Colored people" was appropriate terminology i.e. the National Association for the Advancement of COLORED People (NAACP). But, somehow, it became wrong to refer to Blacks as "colored" because all races are of color; Blacks are not colored.  Never-the-less, "People of color," became accepted. Not "Colored people," but "People of Color."  Makes a lot of sense.

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When I was a child I learned it was racist to say Negro, but how could I know? The documentaries we watched in school called "African Americans" Negros, and they themselves called themselves Negros such as the National Negro Committee, but either way, I still got told off for saying Negro

I always call them negers. It isn't really politically correct, but the older generation still uses the word. It has been used since 1644, so I just continue the tradition. I'm not going to change my vocabulary every other year because the old word became offensive.
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« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2014, 07:32:56 AM »

Yeah, people get so bent out of shape if you call someone a "nigger" or a "tar baby". Insane isn't it?
I hear a lot of people using that word more often now than ever, it's really lost it's real original meaning to be offensive.

The "n" word has really lost it's luster, I even hear white guys calling each other that these days.


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Yeah, people get so bent out of shape if you call someone a "nigger" or a "tar baby". Insane isn't it?

Your point being...? Should we all cry and run to mommy civil right groups when people say mean stuff? Toughen up; the real world is full of meanies.
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Established, financed, controlled by Jews.........not "colored" persons. Wink

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Soooo.....why is it OK to lump all European ethnics with the generic "whites"?

Personally I believe it is a not so veiled attempt to de-humanize a significant portion of the Earth's population for political purposes.

We shouldn't just generalize any people with a color. What if we all just referred Asians as "yellows" or the darker Hispanics/mullatoes as "browns"? Yea, everybody would be offended. But it's they're just ducky with calling people from European origins "white".

I also have no problem calling "blacks" Africans if they want. After all, that is their lineage.
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« Reply #34 on: January 02, 2014, 08:03:57 AM »

I also have no problem calling "blacks" Africans if they want. After all, that is their lineage.

There are many Africans that are not black, as are most Asians that are not yellow.
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I also have no problem calling "blacks" Africans if they want. After all, that is their lineage.

There are many Africans that are not black, as are most Asians that are not yellow.
There are also many European these days that are not "white".

But most identify with ethnicity, not color.

But if a black guy or even a white SA wants to be called "African", so be it.
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« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2014, 08:36:14 AM »

Nowadays, political correctness is often a method of persecution, and even dictatorship. What's worse is that you can't really do anything about it because political correctness bypasses the law system itself, or will turn it towards its own advantage with full flexibility. I believe it is because we are losing our moral values as a humanity and this slowly erodes the laws and systems that we have established over thousands of years. Nowadays, all the work and sacrifice that was put into getting where we are as a humanity can be overturned in one second by someone's likes or dislikes.
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« Reply #37 on: January 02, 2014, 08:39:35 AM »

There are also many European these days that are not "white".

But most identify with ethnicity, not color.

But if a black guy or even a white SA wants to be called "African", so be it.
I would more likely identify them by their nationality if I knew it.  Until that time, they'd be "black" or "white."  Or generic geographic labels like "Middle Eastern" or "Asian"; never "brown" or "yellow."
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« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2014, 09:01:51 AM »

I endeavour to be polite as all are created in God's image. But the ever shifting dogmatism of the PC world is not for me either relevant or useful. Rather like certain groups who foretell the end of the world, the boundaries keep shifting.

And as for President Obama being black, as I understand his parentage he is of mixed heritage and perhaps should own that. It might advance the cause of those of similar parentage, but then possibly the simple fact is politically inconvenient.

I was told here by a council officer that people are whatever they chose to label themselves. Again, let phantasy and fashion take precedence over simplicity. PC, humbug!
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« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2014, 09:38:00 AM »

There are also many European these days that are not "white".

But most identify with ethnicity, not color.

But if a black guy or even a white SA wants to be called "African", so be it.
I would more likely identify them by their nationality if I knew it.  Until that time, they'd be "black" or "white."  Or generic geographic labels like "Middle Eastern" or "Asian"; never "brown" or "yellow."
I agree. Although where I was raised we might say that "Arabic" looking guy or "Chinese" girl or what not. We actually rarely said "Asian" or "yellow", Asian actually encompasses a vast amont of ethnicites, many that are not "mongloid" if you will. And "yellow" was just a holdover from the wars in Asia many generations ago. Personally, Asians look about as "yellow" as Euro's look "white".
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« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2014, 09:53:03 AM »

There are also many European these days that are not "white".

But most identify with ethnicity, not color.

But if a black guy or even a white SA wants to be called "African", so be it.
I would more likely identify them by their nationality if I knew it.  Until that time, they'd be "black" or "white."  Or generic geographic labels like "Middle Eastern" or "Asian"; never "brown" or "yellow."
I agree. Although where I was raised we might say that "Arabic" looking guy or "Chinese" girl or what not. We actually rarely said "Asian" or "yellow", Asian actually encompasses a vast amont of ethnicites, many that are not "mongloid" if you will. And "yellow" was just a holdover from the wars in Asia many generations ago. Personally, Asians look about as "yellow" as Euro's look "white".

The Asians I know have skin tones that can be considered "white" to "black".  Even though I say "Asian", what most people would think (as well as myself) is East and Southeast Asian peoples.  Certainly not Indians, Pakistanis, or Middle Easterners ("Arabic-looking folks Wink ).
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« Reply #41 on: January 02, 2014, 01:05:03 PM »

There are also many European these days that are not "white".

But most identify with ethnicity, not color.

But if a black guy or even a white SA wants to be called "African", so be it.
I would more likely identify them by their nationality if I knew it.  Until that time, they'd be "black" or "white."  Or generic geographic labels like "Middle Eastern" or "Asian"; never "brown" or "yellow."
I agree. Although where I was raised we might say that "Arabic" looking guy or "Chinese" girl or what not. We actually rarely said "Asian" or "yellow", Asian actually encompasses a vast amont of ethnicites, many that are not "mongloid" if you will. And "yellow" was just a holdover from the wars in Asia many generations ago. Personally, Asians look about as "yellow" as Euro's look "white".
I dunno, if you ever saw me at the beach without my shirt on, you would unmistakably identify me as bright white.  Or after about 2 hours, very pink.  Grin
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