"The medicine is already been prescribed. Return to the Pre-Schism West which the WR is. Whether Rome or anyone else takes their medicine is another issue entirely."
REPLY: I agree.
"Im not saying they are, but Im saying that major problems can be corrected, and its not an insurmountable obstacle."
REPLY: I agree.
"You said that you doubted that many souls have benefited. I asked for evidence. I wasn't calling you a hypocrite. I just asked for evidence to back up your assumption."
REPLY: Re-read my post #74. I said that "I have NO doubt that...."
"If you think I was attacking you I apologize. I was not."
REPLY: I apologize as well.
"We dont have to "sell" it. We're not con men."
REPLY: No, you aren't. BUT, for the Western Rite to grow it has to be made to be seen as a viable alternative for Western Christians who for whatever reason are wary of Our Liturgy and Traditions. I used the word sell to put it in more general layman's terms, although a better word could have been chosen.
"If those traditions are Orthodox then why not? The WR isn't like Rome where as long as you bow your knee to the Pope you can believe whatever you want."
REPLY: No argument here.
"The difference is pretty obvious. With Rome, you can believe whatever you wish, as long as you bow your knee to Rome. Melkites can believe all they want that the Pope is primus inter pares, while they bow their knee to him and obey his whims.
With the WR, we have to be completely orthodox and Orthodox in every way. Every other argument concerning the WR and the Unia is really a non sequitur."
REPLY: That is a bit of an oversimplification of the Latin position. They do have boundaries, although thos are being pushed further out as time goes on. Eastern Catholics make the same claim about "keeping your traditions" but it is reversed. This is the fact of the matter. I'm not saying they are the same, only that the two can be compared in respect to their "selling point" to the other side of the fence.
"The WR isn't dancing around anything. The WR is giving people a chance to see that there is a time before Rome's innovations, and see what the western half Orthodoxy looked like before the schism. That return is possible without having to be ethno-centric (as they see it)."
REPLY: I don't know if I would go so far as to say that this is what the Western Half of Orthodoxy looked like, but I do agree that it is good to offer a path for those people.
"That is something everyone wants to avoid. I cant speak for everyone, but in my town, there are 2 Orthodox churches. The Greek church has no priest, and only has services maybe twice a month. So quite a few come to our Church (especially on major feasts) but when a priest shows up there they go o their home church. Very few (I can only think of one family) has actually switched to our church "full time". "
REPLY: This is within Canonical Orthodoxy, though. If I was a Traditionalist Roman Catholic and an Orthodox Western Rite Church opened up down the street, I would certainly get ticked off and view it as encroachment.
This is the main thrust of my points. How can the growth of the Western Rite occur without this clash? I would be disinclined to worry about it, but in the interest of neighborly relations it is inevitably a consideration.