Yeah, I was just saying some prayers now and this greatness of the universe, the material one if you like, is so great we know only a speak of it. It seems to actually prove the nature of a God to me, putting aside the Trinity all the Christian thing. With atheists and agnostics I would just say it's important to start with the basics--the idea of a creator, a master, and first mover. The Divine Reason as the Stoics knew it. Not because I believe in the idea of the Stoics and their metaphysics but it does make things simple for one who has doubts, like an agnostic. The Epicurean idea is comforting because it teaches one not to fear death but to accept the material world as we know it and live virtuously. Though it does not embrace hedonism and offers the comfort of living according to the body because we have them and know them best by nature alone, it does create problems. And I think the Stoic philosophy is more acceptable to Christian spirituality, though like a pagan philosophies it is full of problems. But seeing how these pagans looked at the question of God and metaphysics is interesting. Really everybody fears death and what comes after, even the atheists I think. I think everybody believes in God at the hour of their death, even atheists! I think many atheists and agnostics embrace their philosophy because they simply look to the material universe and put aside the question of God because their idea of God as a cruel dictator as some Christians make him is corrupted. But the same was true of the pagans, which is why Socrates rejected the idea of the gods as commonly understood by the Greeks. He believed in the gods, but he also believed in a good, kind God which Aristotle later embraces in his Metaphysics. Aristotle pretty much says the only king of God there can be is a good, infinite one. Nothing else makes sense and no God makes no sense because everything must come from something but we cannot go back and back from cause to cause for eternity because this makes no sense. Which is how Aquinas proves God.
But when it comes to the material world--the universe I mean--that becomes a mystery, even to modern science. To think we have not even seen a speck of the universe so to speak. There must be a God. And if He created it and leaves it to itself as some believe then I would say this God can go removed. But this makes no sense because then we might as well be murderers and thieves, psychopaths with no conscience since God is like this. So God must be good, infinitely so in His essence, something we cannot understand.
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