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WP - What did Jesus do on Holy Saturday?
« on: November 16, 2013, 12:10:55 AM »
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Every Christian knows the story: Jesus was crucified on Good Friday and rose from the dead on Easter Sunday. But what did he do on Saturday?

That question has spurred centuries of debate, perplexed theologians as learned as St. Augustine and prodded some Protestants to advocate editing the Apostles’ Creed, one of Christianity’s oldest confessions of faith.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/what-did-jesus-do-on-holy-saturday/2012/04/02/gIQATLMSrS_story.html

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"What people say when they speak on their own account is repellent and murksome, for their words do not come from the living spring of the Spirit, but are spawned from the morass of their own heart, a bog infested with the leeches, snakes and frogs of desire, delusion and dissipation; the water of their knowledge is evil-smelling, turbid and torpid, sickening to those who drink it and filling them with nausea and disgust."

Gregory of Sinai, On Commandments and Doctrines

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Re: WP - What did Jesus do on Holy Saturday?
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2013, 12:13:14 AM »
Read Hans Urs von Balthasar for an enlightening perspective.
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Sont bien morts et les chats miaulent...

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Re: WP - What did Jesus do on Holy Saturday?
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2013, 12:16:29 AM »
Which book?  I still need to get to Metropolitan Hilarion's book on this topic. 
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"What people say when they speak on their own account is repellent and murksome, for their words do not come from the living spring of the Spirit, but are spawned from the morass of their own heart, a bog infested with the leeches, snakes and frogs of desire, delusion and dissipation; the water of their knowledge is evil-smelling, turbid and torpid, sickening to those who drink it and filling them with nausea and disgust."

Gregory of Sinai, On Commandments and Doctrines

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Re: WP - What did Jesus do on Holy Saturday?
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2013, 12:18:58 AM »
Read Hans Urs von Balthasar for an enlightening perspective.

Wow. Just wow!   :)

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Re: WP - What did Jesus do on Holy Saturday?
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2013, 12:31:07 AM »
Admittedly I'm not very well read on these matters as my interest level in them was quite low but what I read in Balthasar was at least an attempt to explain the phrase in the creed in a way hat makes sense to a modern reader .
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Beaucoup de ces dieux ont péri
C'est sur eux que pleurent les saules
Le grand Pan l'amour Jésus-Christ
Sont bien morts et les chats miaulent...

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Re: WP - What did Jesus do on Holy Saturday?
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2013, 12:33:33 AM »
Was it a book or an article?  Does it have a title?  Now you've got me intrigued.  :)
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"What people say when they speak on their own account is repellent and murksome, for their words do not come from the living spring of the Spirit, but are spawned from the morass of their own heart, a bog infested with the leeches, snakes and frogs of desire, delusion and dissipation; the water of their knowledge is evil-smelling, turbid and torpid, sickening to those who drink it and filling them with nausea and disgust."

Gregory of Sinai, On Commandments and Doctrines

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Re: WP - What did Jesus do on Holy Saturday?
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2013, 12:43:51 AM »
Mysterium Paschale afaik is an extract of a larger book on the oeconomy of salvation but its nowadays printed as a book on its own.
Beaucoup de ces dieux ont péri
C'est sur eux que pleurent les saules
Le grand Pan l'amour Jésus-Christ
Sont bien morts et les chats miaulent...

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Re: WP - What did Jesus do on Holy Saturday?
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2013, 12:50:41 AM »
Admittedly I'm not very well read on these matters as my interest level in them was quite low but what I read in Balthasar was at least an attempt to explain the phrase in the creed in a way hat makes sense to a modern reader .

I find him equally enlightening - and I'm no von-Balthasarist myself.

There's plenty of him to read.


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Re: WP - What did Jesus do on Holy Saturday?
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2013, 12:51:03 AM »
Thanks, I'll look that up.  First Orthonorm got me interested in picking up Rahner, and now you are doing the same with von Balthasar.  
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"What people say when they speak on their own account is repellent and murksome, for their words do not come from the living spring of the Spirit, but are spawned from the morass of their own heart, a bog infested with the leeches, snakes and frogs of desire, delusion and dissipation; the water of their knowledge is evil-smelling, turbid and torpid, sickening to those who drink it and filling them with nausea and disgust."

Gregory of Sinai, On Commandments and Doctrines

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Re: WP - What did Jesus do on Holy Saturday?
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2013, 12:51:45 AM »
There's plenty of him to read.

Ah, Ignatius Press.  They are good at overdoing a good thing.  :P
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"What people say when they speak on their own account is repellent and murksome, for their words do not come from the living spring of the Spirit, but are spawned from the morass of their own heart, a bog infested with the leeches, snakes and frogs of desire, delusion and dissipation; the water of their knowledge is evil-smelling, turbid and torpid, sickening to those who drink it and filling them with nausea and disgust."

Gregory of Sinai, On Commandments and Doctrines

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Re: WP - What did Jesus do on Holy Saturday?
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2013, 02:21:46 AM »
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Every Christian knows the story: Jesus was crucified on Good Friday and rose from the dead on Easter Sunday. But what did he do on Saturday?

The hymnography of Holy Saturday, at least in EO tradition, has the answer.
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Re: WP - What did Jesus do on Holy Saturday?
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2013, 03:28:16 AM »
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Every Christian knows the story: Jesus was crucified on Good Friday and rose from the dead on Easter Sunday. But what did he do on Saturday?

The hymnography of Holy Saturday, at least in EO tradition, has the answer.

Well sing it for us!

Let us hear it!
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Re: WP - What did Jesus do on Holy Saturday?
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2013, 03:35:34 AM »
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Every Christian knows the story: Jesus was crucified on Good Friday and rose from the dead on Easter Sunday. But what did he do on Saturday?

The hymnography of Holy Saturday, at least in EO tradition, has the answer.

Well sing it for us!

Let us hear it!

Trust me, you really, really don't want to hear me sing.  :P :laugh:

For those who are interested, a link to the Holy Saturday services:

http://www.anastasis.org.uk/holy.htm

The Paschal services also touch on the matter:

http://www.anastasis.org.uk/pascha.htm
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Re: WP - What did Jesus do on Holy Saturday?
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2013, 04:53:17 AM »
Thank you
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Re: WP - What did Jesus do on Holy Saturday?
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2013, 01:09:34 PM »
The Blessed Sabbath?  The same thing He did on the first one. He rested, just not figuratively this time (in the tomb).
Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
A hasty quarrel kindles fire,
and urgent strife sheds blood.
If you blow on a spark, it will glow;
if you spit on it, it will be put out;
                           and both come out of your mouth