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Atheist Church anyone?
« on: November 11, 2013, 01:58:55 PM »


Why is this bothering me so much?

http://news.yahoo.com/atheist-mega-churches-root-across-us-world-214619648.html

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I think a lot of secular people say, 'Hey, wait a minute. We are charitable, we are good people, we're good parents and we are just as good citizens as you and we're going to start a church to prove it," said Zuckerman. "It's still a minority, but there's enough of them now."

The Church is already here. No need to start another one!
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2013, 02:06:43 PM »
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Why is this bothering me so much?

Because you could be praying instead?

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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2013, 02:37:50 PM »
Atheism is a very untenable intellectual position for me, so no.

If there were Deist Churches I could go for them much easier than these 'Atheist Churches.
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2013, 02:45:52 PM »
I'd rather have a toothpick up my urethra sideways, thank you.

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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2013, 02:55:49 PM »
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Why is this bothering me so much?

Because you could be praying instead?

What is this supposed to mean exactly?

Why can't somebody with a genuine desire to have a meaningful dialogue, post something on this forum  without being ridiculed, judged, made fun of and so on? Why you all gotta reply with some sarcastic mean intended tone, like everything is a bad joke to you?

I don't get it, brothers and sisters! I just don't get it!



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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2013, 03:01:30 PM »
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Why is this bothering me so much?

Because you could be praying instead?

What is this supposed to mean exactly?

Why can't somebody with a genuine desire to have a meaningful dialogue, post something on this forum  without being ridiculed, judged, made fun of and so on? Why you all gotta reply with some sarcastic mean intended tone, like everything is a bad joke to you?

I don't get it, brothers and sisters! I just don't get it!





You are probably bothered cause you seem to have rather thin skin. Have you heard of a rhetorical question?

Look it up, then attack PFN.

What would a meaningful dialog be? Everyone piling on and agreeing this obvious stupid idea is stupid?

So, when is the suggestion to pray a bad one for Christians? Especially, when they are engaging in triumphalism?
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2013, 03:03:48 PM »
Why am I NOT surprised you're first to jump in and give your two worthless cents?

Yucks!

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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2013, 03:07:27 PM »
Why am I NOT surprised you're first to jump in and give your two worthless cents?

Yucks!



So I am going to go with the whole let's agree a stupid idea is a stupid idea thing then.

What did you say about meaningful dialog again?

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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2013, 03:17:58 PM »
You know, you don't have to reply to every thread on this forum, especially if you have nothing to say.

Why don't you go back to your dating and relationship advice column since you're so good at it?  ;)
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2013, 03:43:49 PM »
I do have a friend that attends a post-Christian or whatever they call it get together on Sundays here in Chicago. I think they meet in either coffee shops of pubs.
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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2013, 03:54:55 PM »
Minus the whole "God thing" how are they different from evangelicals in their "worship style"? Swap out the Jesus-is-my-boyfriend lyrics for something ambiguously secular and voila!

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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2013, 03:56:42 PM »
The people I know stay as close as possible to the sabbaite typikon
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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2013, 04:06:12 PM »
You know, you don't have to reply to every thread on this forum, especially if you have nothing to say.

Why don't you go back to your dating and relationship advice column since you're so good at it?  ;)
You are complaining about meaningful discussion while dismissing a poster's "worthless two cents".

And another personal attack on the above.
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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2013, 04:11:20 PM »


Why is this bothering me so much?

http://news.yahoo.com/atheist-mega-churches-root-across-us-world-214619648.html

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I think a lot of secular people say, 'Hey, wait a minute. We are charitable, we are good people, we're good parents and we are just as good citizens as you and we're going to start a church to prove it," said Zuckerman. "It's still a minority, but there's enough of them now."

The Church is already here. No need to start another one!

I don't know why it's bothering you so much. But perhaps, just perhaps it bothered non-Christian Greek speakers to see the word ekklesia used for a bunch of people worshipping God when it wasn't traditionally used in that connection at all. ;)
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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2013, 04:12:13 PM »
The people I know stay as close as possible to the sabbaite typikon

The "tents of Kedar" (Ps. 120:5) are quite close to Mar Sabba. So is the Valley of Jehoshaphat.
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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2013, 04:16:56 PM »
Why can't somebody with a genuine desire to have a meaningful dialogue, post something on this forum  without being ridiculed, judged, made fun of and so on? Why you all gotta reply with some sarcastic mean intended tone, like everything is a bad joke to you?

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« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2013, 04:26:42 PM »
Why can't somebody with a genuine desire to have a meaningful dialogue, post something on this forum  without being ridiculed, judged, made fun of and so on? Why you all gotta reply with some sarcastic mean intended tone, like everything is a bad joke to you?

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« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2013, 04:28:55 PM »
Minus the whole "God thing" how are they different from evangelicals in their "worship style"? Swap out the Jesus-is-my-boyfriend lyrics for something ambiguously secular and voila!

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« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2013, 04:35:22 PM »
What I want to know is when they plan on opening a Juggalo ministry.

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« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2013, 04:39:25 PM »
Why can't somebody with a genuine desire to have a meaningful dialogue, post something on this forum  without being ridiculed, judged, made fun of and so on? Why you all gotta reply with some sarcastic mean intended tone, like everything is a bad joke to you?

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« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2013, 05:01:30 PM »
They're taking this show on the road (and across the Pond):

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After three months of folk across the world working to organise community gatherings, below are the twenty two towns on the first leg of 40 Dates and 40 Nights: The Roadshow. On October 20th we’ll launch our crowdfunding campaign at the London Assembly, and then it is on the road, to spread joy, compassion and delight across the world.
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« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2013, 04:41:25 AM »
From "Reasonable Doubts",

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an award winning radio show and podcast for people who won't "just take things on faith."

you can listen to

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Episode 120: Church for Atheists? with guest Jerry Dewitt
After 25 years of ministry, Pentecostal preacher turned atheist, Jerry Dewitt, finds himself behind the pulpit once again. He’s still singing, teaching and calling upon his congregation to share testimonials…but this is no ordinary “church.” The Community Mission Chapel, where Dewitt now serves, spreads a humanist message to a congregation of atheists. But do atheists really need a church? Dewitt joins us in the studio to tell us about his church, the challenges of ministering to atheists and to share his thoughts on why some skeptics desire a more traditional form of fellowship.  Also on the episode: sorry, but Jesus was not made up by the Roman aristocracy no matter what biblical pseudo-scholar Joseph Atwill tells you.  We’ll tell you why for this episodes Skeptics Sunday School.

Enjoy...

http://freethoughtblogs.com/reasonabledoubts/2013/10/19/episode-120-church-for-atheists-with-guest-jerry-dewitt/
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« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2013, 06:47:04 PM »
What I don't understand is why all these atheists don't just put the healthiest person at the head of the church and everybody else kill themselves.  Get a new batch, and finally find the fittest of the atheists.

After all, the strongest only survive / survival of the fittest.  If they truly believe in this notion, then they'd want the best for the race right?

Hmmm, kind of sounds like "master race stuff"....  

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« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2014, 11:11:13 AM »
As expected: a schism has occurred in the Sunday Assembly:

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LONDON (CNN) - The Sunday Assembly was riding high.

The world’s most voguish - though not its only - atheist church opened last year in London, to global attention and abundant acclaim.

So popular was the premise, so bright the promise, that soon the Sunday Assembly was ready to franchise, branching out into cities such as New York, Dublin and Melbourne.

“It’s a way to scale goodness,” declared Sanderson Jones, a standup comic and co-founder of The Sunday Assembly, which calls itself a “godless congregation.”

But nearly as quickly as the Assembly spread, it split, with New York City emerging as organized atheism’s Avignon.

In October, three former members of Sunday Assembly NYC announced the formation of a breakaway group called Godless Revival.
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The squabbles led to a tiff and finally a schism between two factions within Sunday Assembly NYC. Jones reportedly told Moore that his faction was no longer welcome in the Sunday Assembly movement.

Moore promises that his group, Godless Revival, will be more firmly atheistic than the Sunday Assembly, which he now dismisses as “a humanistic cult.”
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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2014, 12:31:50 PM »
As expected: a schism has occurred in the Sunday Assembly:

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LONDON (CNN) - The Sunday Assembly was riding high.

The world’s most voguish - though not its only - atheist church opened last year in London, to global attention and abundant acclaim.

So popular was the premise, so bright the promise, that soon the Sunday Assembly was ready to franchise, branching out into cities such as New York, Dublin and Melbourne.

“It’s a way to scale goodness,” declared Sanderson Jones, a standup comic and co-founder of The Sunday Assembly, which calls itself a “godless congregation.”

But nearly as quickly as the Assembly spread, it split, with New York City emerging as organized atheism’s Avignon.

In October, three former members of Sunday Assembly NYC announced the formation of a breakaway group called Godless Revival.
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The squabbles led to a tiff and finally a schism between two factions within Sunday Assembly NYC. Jones reportedly told Moore that his faction was no longer welcome in the Sunday Assembly movement.

Moore promises that his group, Godless Revival, will be more firmly atheistic than the Sunday Assembly, which he now dismisses as “a humanistic cult.”

Kind of reminded of the communists, factions, umpteen parties with different variations on the name. Funny old world.

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« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2014, 01:24:49 PM »
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humanist cult

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As an atheist, how does one determine if an offshoot of your belief system is a cult or not?
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« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2014, 01:38:44 PM »
Feels like an episode of South Park.

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« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2014, 01:40:04 PM »
"For, by its immensity, the divine substance surpasses every form that our intellect reaches. Thus we are unable to apprehend it by knowing what it is. Yet we are able to have some knowledge of it by knowing what it is not." - St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa contra gentiles, I, 14.

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« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2014, 01:41:23 PM »
"For, by its immensity, the divine substance surpasses every form that our intellect reaches. Thus we are unable to apprehend it by knowing what it is. Yet we are able to have some knowledge of it by knowing what it is not." - St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa contra gentiles, I, 14.