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« on: October 29, 2013, 11:33:28 PM »

Coming off my 'rubbing a pregnant belly without asking topic,' I'd like to keep it going with something in the same category.

It has been speculated that if a woman eats certain foods prior to conceiving and during ovulation especially, it has shown that those specific foods can alter a woman's ph balance and help in aiding in the conception of either boy or girl. For instance, I've read that consuming acid foods like orange juice, eggs, chocolates would favor conceiving a girl, while alkaline foods like avocados, wheat, leafy greens would favor conceiving boys.

Now, I am going by what I've read and testimonials of those who attempted such diets because they wanted a girl or boy. I've also read that a woman's diet can also influence her naturally conceiving twins.

My question is, if we assume diet can play a significant factor in conceiving, would it be frowned by our Orthodox Church if, in fact, a woman chooses to eat more of certain foods to attempt remaining pregnant with one over the other? Well, we all agree that God does have the final say Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2013, 11:36:36 PM »

Never mind what the Church might or might not say about it, the idea that dietary choices can influence the sex of a baby is a complete crock. It's the stuff of tabloid news and women's magazines, and has no scientific basis.
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2013, 11:42:55 PM »

Never mind what the Church might or might not say about it, the idea that dietary choices can influence the sex of a baby is a complete crock. It's the stuff of tabloid news and women's magazines, and has no scientific basis.

I agree with you here. I just find it interesting that what we put into our bodies effect us drastically, and if one were to use that to somehow better 'control' or 'help' conception of either sex because of personal preference, and how or if that is viewed by our Church as unethical.
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2013, 11:44:06 PM »

the idea that dietary choices can influence the sex of a baby is a complete crock

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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2013, 12:01:07 AM »

My sister has two boys and two girls.

A woman came up to her after church and wanted to know what she had done in order to ensure this perfect mix of genders in her offspring.

I heard the question and was amused by my sister's confounded stare at the woman. I know my sis, and she was thinking, "do I really have to tell you how this works?"  Unlike me, she's always rather logical, and that would be the only answer that would have entered her mind. I'm certain she didn't grasp exactly what the woman was asking until the the lady said,"Did you put pots and pans under your bed?"

You should have seen my sister's frown, at that.

So it seems pots and pans under the bed will produce a female who will most likely spend her life in the kitchen.

If you want a boy, you apparently have to put tools under the bed.

How people believe any of this, amazes me.  
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2013, 12:08:31 AM »

My sister has two boys and two girls.

A woman came up to her after church and wanted to know what she had done in order to ensure this perfect mix of genders in her offspring.

I heard the question and was amused by my sister's confounded stare at the woman. I know my sis, and she was thinking, "do I really have to tell you how this works?"  Unlike me, she's always rather logical, and that would be the only answer that would have entered her mind. I'm certain she didn't grasp exactly what the woman was asking until the the lady said,"Did you put pots and pans under your bed?"

You should have seen my sister's frown, at that.

So it seems pots and pans under the bed will produce a female who will most likely spend her life in the kitchen.

If you want a boy, you apparently have to put tools under the bed.

How people believe any of this, amazes me.  

too funny, I've never heard of pots, pans, and tools!
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2013, 04:25:31 AM »

So it seems pots and pans under the bed will produce a female who will most likely spend her life in the kitchen.

If you want a boy, you apparently have to put tools under the bed.

Silly woman! Everyone knows you have to use either Barbies or Kens (GI Joes optional, if you want a really macho boy). It's when you mix the two that one gets into trouble! We used stuffed animals once and got ourselves a daughter who grew up to become a veterinarian Cheesy

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So it seems pots and pans under the bed will produce a female who will most likely spend her life in the kitchen.


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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2013, 07:21:53 AM »

I thought you had to wear boots and have the headboard facing north, or something like that for a boy. Tongue
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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2013, 08:02:49 AM »

the idea that dietary choices can influence the sex of a baby is a complete crock

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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2013, 08:03:27 AM »

If you put headphones on your belly and play Mozart your baby will be a musical genius.

True story.

No physical contact needed.
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2013, 08:06:59 AM »

If you put headphones on your belly and play Mozart your baby will be a musical genius.

True story.

No physical contact needed.

That one's been debunked as well.
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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2013, 08:17:04 AM »

If you put headphones on your belly and play Mozart your baby will be a musical genius.

True story.

No physical contact needed.

You need to let lots of random old guys rub him too, or he'll be a sociopath.
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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2013, 08:19:07 AM »

If you put headphones on your belly and play Mozart your baby will be a musical genius.

True story.

No physical contact needed.

You need to let lots of random old guys rub him too, or he'll be a sociopath.

As long as they all whisper "I just want to be friends."  Then it's legit.
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« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2013, 05:08:18 PM »

If you put headphones on your belly and play Mozart your baby will be a musical genius.

True story.

No physical contact needed.

You need to let lots of random old guys rub him too, or he'll be a sociopath.

As long as they all whisper "I just want to be friends."  Then it's legit.

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« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2013, 05:16:29 PM »

Silly woman! Everyone knows you have to use either Barbies or Kens (GI Joes optional, if you want a really macho boy). It's when you mix the two that one gets into trouble! We used stuffed animals once and got ourselves a daughter who grew up to become a veterinarian Cheesy

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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2013, 12:38:28 AM »

Is it true that if I wear tighter underpants like briefs then I'll be more likely to have a female if I ever impregnate a woman and that if I wear looser underpants like boxers, I'll be more likely to have a boy? In any case, I'd much rather have daughters than sons. I don't get along much with other males; I have to be the only male in my household. Anyhow, I don't see why the Church would care--it's not like you are harming anyone.
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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2013, 12:43:06 AM »

I have to be the only male in my household.

Why?
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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2013, 12:49:20 AM »

I have to be the only male in my household.

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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2013, 10:26:18 AM »

I have to be the only male in my household.

Why?

Can't have other boys making demands of his wimminz. Roll Eyes

As for the tight underwear thingy... the most likely outcome of that would be firing blanks.
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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2013, 03:04:09 PM »

I have to be the only male in my household.

Why?

My father hates his life often from being the only man in the house with 6 women. Just sayin'  Tongue
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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2013, 03:07:47 PM »

I have to be the only male in my household.

Why?

Can't have other boys making demands of his wimminz. Roll Eyes

As for the tight underwear thingy... the most likely outcome of that would be firing blanks.

William claims to know my penchant for a certain humor, what is the joke here, William?
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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2013, 04:08:16 PM »

I have to be the only male in my household.

Why?

Boys are too hard to watch, and I always have trouble getting along with other males. My little brother is a lot harder than my sister is. I'd rather deal with a crying teenage girl everyday than a teenage boy.
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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2013, 04:12:09 PM »

May you have a house full of crying teenage girls! Cheesy  You'll go insane.
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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2013, 04:53:00 PM »

I'd rather deal with a crying teenage girl everyday than a teenage boy.

'Deal with' being code for 'hand them over to Mama to deal with'. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2013, 05:38:49 PM »

I'd rather deal with a crying teenage girl everyday than a teenage boy.

'Deal with' being code for 'hand them over to Mama to deal with'. Roll Eyes

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« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2013, 03:23:19 AM »

With a 4 to 3 ratio (girls > boys) - 5 to 3 , if you count a relative's daughter who acts as if she's mine - I'll readily agree that girls are easier to raise than boys, but a whole lot more expensive (and I'm the one who deals with the tears and fears, the late night phone calls, and the shopping excursions)

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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2013, 12:33:08 AM »

the idea that dietary choices can influence the sex of a baby is a complete crock

pot of marketing goodness.

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It would sell. I wouldn't have believed it a year ago, but now I know the truth. When I was expecting my daughter someone posted in our birth club (organized by month and year so you end up chatting with people at the same stage in pregnancy as you) that they were eating only steak and potatoes and "manly foods" because she wanted to have a boy. She was already pregnant at this point, and yet was trying to influence her baby's gender through food near the end of the first trimester. I have a screen shot of it somewhere, because I couldn't believe it was real life.
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« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2013, 09:46:10 AM »

the idea that dietary choices can influence the sex of a baby is a complete crock

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It would sell. I wouldn't have believed it a year ago, but now I know the truth. When I was expecting my daughter someone posted in our birth club (organized by month and year so you end up chatting with people at the same stage in pregnancy as you) that they were eating only steak and potatoes and "manly foods" because she wanted to have a boy. She was already pregnant at this point, and yet was trying to influence her baby's gender through food near the end of the first trimester. I have a screen shot of it somewhere, because I couldn't believe it was real life.

Proof that you can't fix stupid.

There seems to be some correlation between baby's sex and mother's BMI at conception (higher fat % = greater chances to have a boy), but nobody has figured out anything concrete yet.
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« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2013, 01:02:22 PM »

Proof that you can't fix stupid.

There seems to be some correlation between baby's sex and mother's BMI at conception (higher fat % = greater chances to have a boy), but nobody has figured out anything concrete yet.

What about the man's diet?  Considering that it's the sperm that carries the X or Y chromosome that decides the baby's sex, it just seems nonsense that there are so many old wives' tales about things the woman must do to get a girl or boy.
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« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2013, 01:11:40 PM »

Proof that you can't fix stupid.

There seems to be some correlation between baby's sex and mother's BMI at conception (higher fat % = greater chances to have a boy), but nobody has figured out anything concrete yet.

What about the man's diet?  Considering that it's the sperm that carries the X or Y chromosome that decides the baby's sex, it just seems nonsense that there are so many old wives' tales about things the woman must do to get a girl or boy.

The chromosomes are what they are, but the mother needs to provide a suitable environment for a pregnancy to occur and go on. If we believe research, a zygote's chances to implant are only slightly greater than failing to do so (and a lot of cases of unusually heavy menstruation coming a bit out of turn are actually very early miscarriages), and among later miscarriages, about 2/3 are boys.
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« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2013, 01:32:00 PM »

Proof that you can't fix stupid.

There seems to be some correlation between baby's sex and mother's BMI at conception (higher fat % = greater chances to have a boy), but nobody has figured out anything concrete yet.

What about the man's diet?  Considering that it's the sperm that carries the X or Y chromosome that decides the baby's sex, it just seems nonsense that there are so many old wives' tales about things the woman must do to get a girl or boy.

Well, there are more factors at play than that. For one, pH level. For another, spermatozoon swiftness. Seminal fluid is alkaline to combat the acidity of the vaginal canal. I've read (and I don't remember where so I can't tell you if there are studies to corroborate this) that X carrying sperm are slower, but more resistant to acidity while Y carrying sperm are faster, but less acid-resistant. In that case, a vaginal canal with a higher pH would theoretically be more boy friendly, and vice versa.
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« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2013, 01:41:29 PM »

Well, there are more factors at play than that. For one, pH level. For another, spermatozoon swiftness. Seminal fluid is alkaline to combat the acidity of the vaginal canal. I've read (and I don't remember where so I can't tell you if there are studies to corroborate this) that X carrying sperm are slower, but more resistant to acidity while Y carrying sperm are faster, but less acid-resistant. In that case, a vaginal canal with a higher pH would theoretically be more boy friendly, and vice versa.

We've come a long way from orange juice and avocados.  Wow.
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« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2013, 02:58:51 PM »

Proof that you can't fix stupid.

There seems to be some correlation between baby's sex and mother's BMI at conception (higher fat % = greater chances to have a boy), but nobody has figured out anything concrete yet.

What about the man's diet?  Considering that it's the sperm that carries the X or Y chromosome that decides the baby's sex, it just seems nonsense that there are so many old wives' tales about things the woman must do to get a girl or boy.

Well, there are more factors at play than that. For one, pH level. For another, spermatozoon swiftness. Seminal fluid is alkaline to combat the acidity of the vaginal canal. I've read (and I don't remember where so I can't tell you if there are studies to corroborate this) that X carrying sperm are slower, but more resistant to acidity while Y carrying sperm are faster, but less acid-resistant. In that case, a vaginal canal with a higher pH would theoretically be more boy friendly, and vice versa.
I remember that in an anatomy/physiology textbook, since you reminded me.  That makes sense.
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« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2013, 03:10:42 PM »

Proof that you can't fix stupid.

There seems to be some correlation between baby's sex and mother's BMI at conception (higher fat % = greater chances to have a boy), but nobody has figured out anything concrete yet.

What about the man's diet?  Considering that it's the sperm that carries the X or Y chromosome that decides the baby's sex, it just seems nonsense that there are so many old wives' tales about things the woman must do to get a girl or boy.

Well, there are more factors at play than that. For one, pH level. For another, spermatozoon swiftness. Seminal fluid is alkaline to combat the acidity of the vaginal canal. I've read (and I don't remember where so I can't tell you if there are studies to corroborate this) that X carrying sperm are slower, but more resistant to acidity while Y carrying sperm are faster, but less acid-resistant. In that case, a vaginal canal with a higher pH would theoretically be more boy friendly, and vice versa.
I remember that in an anatomy/physiology textbook, since you reminded me.  That makes sense.

Following all that, I suppose one could try to eat certain foods to affect the pH of the vaginal canal, and plan the time of intercourse around ovulation to attempt to sway everything in one's favor. Personally, I think that's a lot of work. Sexual reproduction wasn't my favorite part of A&P, I thought kidneys were way cooler.
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« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2013, 03:13:31 PM »

I remember that in an anatomy/physiology textbook, since you reminded me.  That makes sense.

Following all that, I suppose one could try to eat certain foods to affect the pH of the vaginal canal, and plan the time of intercourse around ovulation to attempt to sway everything in one's favor. Personally, I think that's a lot of work. Sexual reproduction wasn't my favorite part of A&P, I thought kidneys were way cooler.
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« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2013, 03:16:51 PM »

I'm more of a respiratory system kind of guy myself.

Nope, I'm with ZZ on this one.  Even so many years later, and without any artistic talent of my own, I can draw nephrons (and neurons) because they are just that cool. 
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« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2013, 03:19:36 PM »

Eh, filtering out urine is important I guess.  Red blood cells taking on oxygen through tiny airsacs is plain old boring.  I stand alone, I suppose. Grin
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« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2013, 03:22:45 PM »

I'm more of a respiratory system kind of guy myself.

Nope, I'm with ZZ on this one.  Even so many years later, and without any artistic talent of my own, I can draw nephrons (and neurons) because they are just that cool. 

Vasa Recta! Loop of Henle! Kidneys are where it's at. The respiratory system was cool, as was the endocrine system, but I didn't love the brain. Memorizing all the gyri and sulci and what part controls what was not my cup of tea. I got an A every quarter in A&P, but no thanks to the brain.
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« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2013, 03:23:09 PM »

Glomerulus is a cooler word than alveolus.  
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« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2013, 03:28:53 PM »

Eh, filtering out urine is important I guess.  Red blood cells taking on oxygen through tiny airsacs is plain old boring.  I stand alone, I suppose. Grin

Kidneys are so much more than pee factories. The renin-angiotensin system is so cool. And they are pretty boss at acid-base homeostasis. Also, they have an awesome song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-DcSAoPR3I

Just remembered something else I hated in A&P: the Krebs cycle.
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« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2013, 03:33:46 PM »

Hmmm, lungs or kidneys? Mageiritsa or steak and kidney pie? Tongue

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« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2013, 03:58:10 PM »

Mageiritsa or steak and kidney pie? Tongue

I'm not a fan of organ meat, but I'm intrigued by mageiritsa.  Will it make me like organ meat, or will I only like it upon developing a taste for organ meat? 
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« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2013, 04:03:15 PM »

Mageiritsa or steak and kidney pie? Tongue

I'm not a fan of organ meat, but I'm intrigued by mageiritsa.  Will it make me like organ meat, or will I only like it upon developing a taste for organ meat? 

I'm not sure any laws of likes and dislikes apply, when it comes to mageiritsa. I like liver well enough, but no other organ meat. Any of the other bits that go into the soup, I wouldn't touch out of it. It's just a class of its own. The only way to find out if you like it is to try it. You'll love it or hate it, there's no middle ground, so better choose your source carefully. You don't want to waste your chance on a poor preparation.
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« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2013, 04:05:10 PM »

Is the overall quality of the restaurant a good indicator of how good the mageiritsa is?  Or do you know any good Greeks in the metro NY area with whom you would trust this task?  How should I go about this? 
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« Reply #45 on: November 15, 2013, 04:09:32 PM »

Is the overall quality of the restaurant a good indicator of how good the mageiritsa is?  Or do you know any good Greeks in the metro NY area with whom you would trust this task?  How should I go about this? 

I'm sure if you ask 10 Greeks where to go, there will be 14 opinions and a bloody nose.
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« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2013, 04:10:49 PM »

Is the overall quality of the restaurant a good indicator of how good the mageiritsa is?  Or do you know any good Greeks in the metro NY area with whom you would trust this task?  How should I go about this? 

If you know a Greek or Cypriot butcher, you could get good pointers on where to go sampling. In Athens, everyone knows that their best bet is the central meat market itself and its round-the-clock eateries, which serve mageiritsa and tripe stew all year round (I hear there's nothing better to settle the stomach in the wee hours, especially after heavy drinking). If there's an equivalent there, you'd stand a good chance.
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« Reply #47 on: November 15, 2013, 04:11:13 PM »

I'm sure if you ask 10 Greeks where to go, there will be 14 opinions and a bloody nose.

I hope "bloody nose" is not one of the organ meats in the "good mageiritsa".  
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« Reply #48 on: November 15, 2013, 04:12:20 PM »

If you know a Greek or Cypriot butcher, you could get good pointers on where to go sampling.

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« Reply #49 on: November 15, 2013, 04:12:41 PM »

I'm sure if you ask 10 Greeks where to go, there will be 14 opinions and a bloody nose.

I hope "bloody nose" is not one of the organ meats in the "good mageiritsa".  
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« Reply #50 on: November 16, 2013, 01:09:34 PM »

Eh, filtering out urine is important I guess.  Red blood cells taking on oxygen through tiny airsacs is plain old boring.  I stand alone, I suppose. Grin

Kidneys are so much more than pee factories. The renin-angiotensin system is so cool. And they are pretty boss at acid-base homeostasis. Also, they have an awesome song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-DcSAoPR3I

Just remembered something else I hated in A&P: the Krebs cycle.
My son is deaf and in danger of blindness (a remoter possibly, though) because he has a degenerative kidney disease.  I was surprised to find out the connection.  So yes, more than pee factories (thought the blood in his tipped us off to his Alport's syndrome).

The Krebs cycle.  I don't think I've thought of that since High School.
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« Reply #51 on: November 16, 2013, 01:09:34 PM »

I forgot the issue with the OP:

In my son's case it would be advisable if he only have sons, as they would not inherit his (congenital) syndrome, but daughter's would be carriers.
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« Reply #52 on: November 16, 2013, 01:09:34 PM »

May you have a house full of crying teenage girls! Cheesy  You'll go insane.
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« Reply #53 on: November 16, 2013, 01:09:34 PM »

I have to be the only male in my household.

Why?

My father hates his life often from being the only man in the house with 6 women. Just sayin'  Tongue
My the father of my son's godmother, a Copt, said that with four women in the house (she has two sisters) he can't win even with Muslim rules.
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« Reply #54 on: November 16, 2013, 01:09:34 PM »

Proof that you can't fix stupid.

There seems to be some correlation between baby's sex and mother's BMI at conception (higher fat % = greater chances to have a boy), but nobody has figured out anything concrete yet.

What about the man's diet?  Considering that it's the sperm that carries the X or Y chromosome that decides the baby's sex, it just seems nonsense that there are so many old wives' tales about things the woman must do to get a girl or boy.
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« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2013, 01:09:34 PM »

Proof that you can't fix stupid.

There seems to be some correlation between baby's sex and mother's BMI at conception (higher fat % = greater chances to have a boy), but nobody has figured out anything concrete yet.

What about the man's diet?  Considering that it's the sperm that carries the X or Y chromosome that decides the baby's sex, it just seems nonsense that there are so many old wives' tales about things the woman must do to get a girl or boy.

Well, there are more factors at play than that. For one, pH level. For another, spermatozoon swiftness. Seminal fluid is alkaline to combat the acidity of the vaginal canal. I've read (and I don't remember where so I can't tell you if there are studies to corroborate this) that X carrying sperm are slower, but more resistant to acidity while Y carrying sperm are faster, but less acid-resistant. In that case, a vaginal canal with a higher pH would theoretically be more boy friendly, and vice versa.
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