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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #315 on: December 12, 2009, 12:45:50 PM »
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What other flesh is mentioned that they wanted in Sodom?

So you agree that their sin was not homosexuality, but wanting to forcibly engage in sexual relations with angels?
whom they mistook for men (bodiless powers don't have flesh).

Good point.

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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #316 on: December 12, 2009, 12:49:01 PM »
ms.hoorah

So I take it you disagree with what Jack Morin said in his book Anal Pleasure and Health? He argues that anal sex is not only safe, but will make you a healthier person.   ;D

This is not to say that I agree with Mr. Morin, I just wouldn't go as far as you seem to be going.
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Search the medical literature. You will find all of these potential complications with anal sex.


Well, some of the issues I knew about or assumed. I was curious about the "anal and/or rectal cancer" though... can someone really get cancer from anal sex?  Also, what I meant by "not going as far" is that I am not completely against anal sex. It has it's dangers, especially if you aren't taking precautions, but it also has it's positives as well. Er, at least for a wicked heathen like me it does ;)

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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #317 on: December 12, 2009, 01:02:46 PM »
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I was curious about the "anal and/or rectal cancer" though...


I'm not a medical professional, but have unfortunate experience with this. Doctors have asked me (which I thought silly) "Why did you get cancer? Did you engage in anal sex?" (Maddening because I've never had sex period. Much less anal sex.  ::)) So, yes, there is an established link in the medical world between this activity and this particular form of cancer.
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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #318 on: December 12, 2009, 03:15:58 PM »
Just a note to let you all know that we have had posters share their concerns about the graphic nature of some of the most recent posts on this thread, so please be careful of this.
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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #319 on: December 12, 2009, 03:22:37 PM »
I know that there is absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality (unlike usury, which is really bad and harmful and sinful, in my humble opinion) and that homosexuals, just like heterosexuals, or paraphiliacs, can marry and have a great life, and theosis, in the context of THEIR monogamous, committed, lifelong marriage.

What about the physical damage that male homosexual intercourse on their bodies over the course of their lives, even within the context of this "loving" relationship?

There is none. Male gay couples know how to avoid it.

I know that there is absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality

Absolutely nothing wrong with it, and yet its practioners have to know how to avoid the damages of practising it.  How very odd.

And some women die in child birth. How very odd.
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« Reply #320 on: December 12, 2009, 03:30:00 PM »
Real and genuine love raditates the Union of the Trinity. Homosexual unions do not do that (nor divorce, adultery, fornication.....)

So true marriages are between three people?

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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #321 on: December 12, 2009, 04:04:20 PM »
Just a note to let you all know that we have had posters share their concerns about the graphic nature of some of the most recent posts on this thread, so please be careful of this.

Sorry about that! Will be more careful in the future  :)

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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #322 on: December 12, 2009, 06:19:46 PM »
Real and genuine love raditates the Union of the Trinity. Homosexual unions do not do that (nor divorce, adultery, fornication.....)

So true marriages are between three people?

YOMANK! :D

I know that there is absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality (unlike usury, which is really bad and harmful and sinful, in my humble opinion) and that homosexuals, just like heterosexuals, or paraphiliacs, can marry and have a great life, and theosis, in the context of THEIR monogamous, committed, lifelong marriage.

What about the physical damage that male homosexual intercourse on their bodies over the course of their lives, even within the context of this "loving" relationship?

There is none. Male gay couples know how to avoid it.

I know that there is absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality

Absolutely nothing wrong with it, and yet its practioners have to know how to avoid the damages of practising it.  How very odd.

And some women die in child birth. How very odd.

No, unfortunately not.  But I see, like any supporter of gay "marriage" the link of marriage to children is lost on you.
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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #323 on: December 12, 2009, 07:10:18 PM »
Real and genuine love raditates the Union of the Trinity. Homosexual unions do not do that (nor divorce, adultery, fornication.....)

So true marriages are between three people?

YOMANK! :D

I know that there is absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality (unlike usury, which is really bad and harmful and sinful, in my humble opinion) and that homosexuals, just like heterosexuals, or paraphiliacs, can marry and have a great life, and theosis, in the context of THEIR monogamous, committed, lifelong marriage.

What about the physical damage that male homosexual intercourse on their bodies over the course of their lives, even within the context of this "loving" relationship?

There is none. Male gay couples know how to avoid it.

I know that there is absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality

Absolutely nothing wrong with it, and yet its practioners have to know how to avoid the damages of practising it.  How very odd.

And some women die in child birth. How very odd.

No, unfortunately not.  But I see, like any supporter of gay "marriage" the link of marriage to children is lost on you.
I beg to differ, women do die in childbirth-I've seen it happen.
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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #324 on: December 12, 2009, 07:12:09 PM »
Real and genuine love raditates the Union of the Trinity. Homosexual unions do not do that (nor divorce, adultery, fornication.....)

So true marriages are between three people?

YOMANK! :D

I know that there is absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality (unlike usury, which is really bad and harmful and sinful, in my humble opinion) and that homosexuals, just like heterosexuals, or paraphiliacs, can marry and have a great life, and theosis, in the context of THEIR monogamous, committed, lifelong marriage.

What about the physical damage that male homosexual intercourse on their bodies over the course of their lives, even within the context of this "loving" relationship?

There is none. Male gay couples know how to avoid it.

I know that there is absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality

Absolutely nothing wrong with it, and yet its practioners have to know how to avoid the damages of practising it.  How very odd.

And some women die in child birth. How very odd.

No, unfortunately not.  But I see, like any supporter of gay "marriage" the link of marriage to children is lost on you.
I beg to differ, women do die in childbirth-I've seen it happen.
I was refering to it not being odd, just unfortunate.
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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #325 on: December 13, 2009, 03:38:25 AM »
Real and genuine love raditates the Union of the Trinity. Homosexual unions do not do that (nor divorce, adultery, fornication.....)

So true marriages are between three people?

YOMANK! :D
???  Is this an acronym for something?
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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #326 on: December 21, 2009, 09:22:19 PM »
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« Reply #327 on: December 21, 2009, 11:05:07 PM »
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Wow, we're supposed to approve of a video showing underage boys in sexually provocative manner? Oy vey!
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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #328 on: December 21, 2009, 11:10:08 PM »
What the heck!!?

edit - should clarify "What the heck!!" refers to the video, not Tallitot's comments.
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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #329 on: December 21, 2009, 11:11:08 PM »
YOMANK! :D
???  Is this an acronym for something?

YOMANK= "you owe me a new keyboard";ie you're post made me laugh while i had i a mouthful of coffee and it squirted all over my keyboard



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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #330 on: December 21, 2009, 11:14:37 PM »
YOMANK= "you owe me a new keyboard";ie you're post made me laugh while i had i a mouthful of coffee and it squirted all over my keyboard
Sounds like a personal problem to me.
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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #331 on: December 22, 2009, 12:04:36 AM »
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Wow, we're supposed to approve of a video showing underage boys in sexually provocative manner? Oy vey!

Yeah. That video was pretty disturbing.

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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #332 on: December 22, 2009, 01:05:31 PM »
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So what exactly is the message they're trying to get across? Don't be homosexual, be a pedophile? Is this Arvonp guy associated with NAMBLA or something?
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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #333 on: December 22, 2009, 01:08:48 PM »
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That video is a juvenile attempt at bigotry (at best).  It's not even clever enough for me to be offended by it.  It's a very poor attempt at social commentary.
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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #334 on: December 22, 2009, 01:10:05 PM »
So what exactly is the message they're trying to get across? Don't be homosexual, be a pedophile?

Considering the level of humor displayed, this may indeed be it.
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« Reply #335 on: December 22, 2009, 03:17:40 PM »
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So what exactly is the message they're trying to get across? Don't be homosexual, be a pedophile? Is this Arvonp guy associated with NAMBLA or something?

Is it pedophilia if they are juveniles?
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« Reply #336 on: December 22, 2009, 03:26:42 PM »
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So what exactly is the message they're trying to get across? Don't be homosexual, be a pedophile? Is this Arvonp guy associated with NAMBLA or something?

Is it pedophilia if they are juveniles?
Who else would want to see a vid of two boys acting in sexually provactice manner?
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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #337 on: December 22, 2009, 03:34:45 PM »
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So what exactly is the message they're trying to get across? Don't be homosexual, be a pedophile? Is this Arvonp guy associated with NAMBLA or something?

Is it pedophilia if they are juveniles?
Who else would want to see a vid of two boys acting in sexually provactice manner?

It struck me as the juvenile attempt of juveniles at social action.
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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #338 on: December 22, 2009, 03:37:14 PM »
We'll just have to disagree.
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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #339 on: December 22, 2009, 03:43:00 PM »
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So what exactly is the message they're trying to get across? Don't be homosexual, be a pedophile? Is this Arvonp guy associated with NAMBLA or something?

Is it pedophilia if they are juveniles?

If it's being put online for general consumption...yes.
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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #341 on: January 07, 2010, 04:04:08 AM »

can someone really get cancer from anal sex?

Not really in any different of a fashion from how women get cervical cancer from various STD's. So resultant simply from anal sex aside from STD's? No.
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Re: arguments against pro-gay: what to say?
« Reply #343 on: January 07, 2010, 04:12:46 AM »
I know that there is absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality (unlike usury, which is really bad and harmful and sinful, in my humble opinion) and that homosexuals, just like heterosexuals, or paraphiliacs, can marry and have a great life, and theosis, in the context of THEIR monogamous, committed, lifelong marriage.

What about the physical damage that male homosexual intercourse does on their bodies over the course of their lives, even within the context of this "loving" relationship?
Such as what? I take much better care of myself since I've been in a relationship and am healtier.
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Potential medical complications of anal sex (STDs not included)

anal fissures
anal and/or rectal erosion
acute or chronic proctitis
rectal prolapse
anorectal abscess
exacerbated hemorrhoids
anal and/or rectal cancer
fecal impaction
loss of anal sphincter control with risk of permanent fecal incontinence
urethritis
pyelonephritis
cystitis
bacterial prostatitis
phimosis
intestinal parasitic infections



First, would you please cite your source?

Second, I know quite a lot of male-male couples who regularly have anal sex, and the only problem I've ever heard of occurring in this entire list are anal fissures, and at that it appears that they are quite rare. Like occur 1/1000 times or something like that. You make it sound about 100x more dramatic than I've actually experienced it to be.
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