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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #90 on: October 29, 2013, 11:12:57 PM »
I can definitely understand being upset over a stranger rubbing your belly without permission. I'm mixed on filing charges over it, but if the neighbor repeatedly did it and refused to stop... Although, even then it makes me wonder if the neighbor's forcing himself into close proximity with her to do it, or if she still kept approaching him.

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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #91 on: October 30, 2013, 12:00:18 AM »
I had my belly rubbed against my will with each pregnancy. People do it, but I will say that the greater percentage in my limited experience was women. I would just take a step back while smiling and try to remind myself that it's good that people are excited about babies... so excited that they've seemingly forgotten the baby is living in me still. It's rude and people should know better, but it's never ruined my day so much I felt the need to file harassment charges.
Did anyone keep going when you told them to stop?

No. Did he do that to her in the article? I missed that.
According to the article I read this morning, he did.

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"There was a woman who was pregnant and (a) man had touched her belly area, which women have to go through all the time, and she didn't permit him to do that, and then he repeated it, so she decided to file charges," DiLucente said.
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #92 on: October 30, 2013, 12:21:18 AM »
^ O. K.  Repeating something when told not to is approaching the line.  Sounds like the neighbor did not use good judgment, but I will go by what the investigators decide.

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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #93 on: October 30, 2013, 12:26:06 AM »
Wanting to rub the woman's belly against her wishes is bad enough, but saying to her "I want to be your friend" while doing so elevates it to a creepiness that's almost sinister. Ugh!!!  :P :P :P >:(
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #94 on: October 30, 2013, 12:34:08 AM »
Wanting to rub the woman's belly against her wishes is bad enough, but saying to her "I want to be your friend" while doing so elevates it to a creepiness that's almost sinister. Ugh!!!  :P :P :P >:(
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #95 on: October 30, 2013, 12:36:33 AM »
Wanting to rub the woman's belly against her wishes is bad enough, but saying to her "I want to be your friend" while doing so elevates it to a creepiness that's almost sinister. Ugh!!!  :P :P :P >:(
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #96 on: October 30, 2013, 02:27:04 AM »
On a somewhat related note, does the pregnant woman feel any pain when the baby "kicks"?
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #97 on: October 30, 2013, 02:36:57 AM »
she has the right to be offended. Hopefully the charge is not too big. But one day her hatred will have to be given an accounting. God is fair to all. Some are not loving to strangers. She would have to prove to God one day she does not hate strangers and wanted them to be saved. If it was a big charge which would ruin a life I do not think God would forgive such a person as the person is careless caring about ones own comfort more than a stranger and denying the pain one afflicts
However I suppose nothing bad can happen to Gods elect who love Him without God's permission so I would bring my grievance to God
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #98 on: October 30, 2013, 02:38:15 AM »
On a somewhat related note, does the pregnant woman feel any pain when the baby "kicks"?

Depending on the size of the bub, and the direction of the kick, the answer can be "yes".
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #99 on: October 30, 2013, 02:44:01 AM »
she has the right to be offended. Hopefully the charge is not too big. But one day her hatred will have to be given an accounting. God is fair to all. Some are not loving to strangers. She would have to prove to God one day she does not hate strangers and wanted them to be saved. If it was a big charge which would ruin a life I do not think God would forgive such a person as the person is careless caring about ones own comfort more than a stranger and denying the pain one afflicts


mikeforjesus, there is no "hatred" in the woman's action against this person who clearly overstepped the boundaries of respectful and decent behavior. It's also presumptuous of you to suggest God "might not forgive" the woman for the action she took.

If your sister was pregnant and was accosted by a man in the same way, and made to feel uncomfortable and even threatened by him when he refused to stop, what do you think she should do?
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #100 on: October 30, 2013, 03:06:29 AM »
she has the right to be offended. Hopefully the charge is not too big. But one day her hatred will have to be given an accounting. God is fair to all. Some are not loving to strangers. She would have to prove to God one day she does not hate strangers and wanted them to be saved. If it was a big charge which would ruin a life I do not think God would forgive such a person as the person is careless caring about ones own comfort more than a stranger and denying the pain one afflicts


mikeforjesus, there is no "hatred" in the woman's action against this person who clearly overstepped the boundaries of respectful and decent behavior. It's also presumptuous of you to suggest God "might not forgive" the woman for the action she took.

If your sister was pregnant and was accosted by a man in the same way, and made to feel uncomfortable and even threatened by him when he refused to stop, what do you think she should do?


truth is I judge my sister also for lack of compassion sometimes. I hope she is learning through me to show compassion. If it is as you describe she has reason to be offended but thats not how it seemed to me. Also I did not know he threatened her. I thought it was just someone who wants to be nice
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #101 on: October 30, 2013, 03:42:38 AM »
she has the right to be offended. Hopefully the charge is not too big. But one day her hatred will have to be given an accounting. God is fair to all. Some are not loving to strangers. She would have to prove to God one day she does not hate strangers and wanted them to be saved. If it was a big charge which would ruin a life I do not think God would forgive such a person as the person is careless caring about ones own comfort more than a stranger and denying the pain one afflicts


mikeforjesus, there is no "hatred" in the woman's action against this person who clearly overstepped the boundaries of respectful and decent behavior. It's also presumptuous of you to suggest God "might not forgive" the woman for the action she took.

If your sister was pregnant and was accosted by a man in the same way, and made to feel uncomfortable and even threatened by him when he refused to stop, what do you think she should do?


truth is I judge my sister also for lack of compassion sometimes. I hope she is learning through me to show compassion. If it is as you describe she has reason to be offended but thats not how it seemed to me. Also I did not know he threatened her. I thought it was just someone who wants to be nice


The woman told him to stop, yet he continued his behavior. She had every right to feel uncomfortable, vulnerable, intimidated and threatened. Threatening behavior need not involve violence or anger.
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #102 on: October 30, 2013, 04:03:42 AM »
Wanting to rub the woman's belly against her wishes is bad enough, but saying to her "I want to be your friend" while doing so elevates it to a creepiness that's almost sinister. Ugh!!!  :P :P :P >:(

LBK got it in one.  His whole approach to the neighbour, even before the belly rub component, would set off alarm bells in any woman.  A man, upon meeting a woman for the first time, gives her a bear hug and says, "I just want to be friends"?  Ugh, what?  You want to be "just friends"? :-X   Yeah sure. ::)  He's lucky that all he got was a shove and a harassment charge...
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #103 on: October 30, 2013, 04:15:30 AM »
I am, by nature, a very affectionate person and always have been; allegedly not a terribly common trait among Irish males and one that seemingly baffled my relatives throughout my childhood. (They got used to it - only took them about 20 years or so.)

I suppose it accounts, in part, for how well and how quickly I came to fit in with my Lebanese and Syrian co-religionists when I first ventured into the Melkite community - not every Irishman is comfortable being hugged and kissed three times on being introduced :D (and at every meeting and parting thereafter, onto ages of ages).  

Nothing has changed and I still am just as physically affectionate with my children, grandson, nieces and nephews, cousins, and their children, as well as with my closest friends and their children - and they with me. Even some co-workers see me as someone whom it's 'ok' to greet with a hug after not having seen one another for awhile (a recent consolidation of two of our work-sites brought me into contact for the first time in a couple of years with several young women who were my students for several months when they first came on-board as trainees, and I was nearly bowled over with enthused greetings accompanied by heartfelt hugs).

But, never, not once in my entire life, have I rubbed the pregnant (or otherwise) belly of any woman - heck, I don't think that I ever even did so with either of my wives during their pregnancies - and I had 5 opportunities. (Yes, I did 'feel' the kicks on request, but never randomly rubbed their bellies as some do a statue of Buddha, for luck.)

It is, decidedly, 'creepy' for a neighbor to do so and, as has been said by my brothers and sisters here, it is, at the very least, tasteless, and it demonstrates either a flagrant disregard for the personal space of another or a testing of boundaries - the one is at minimum thoughtless, the other intimidating, violative, and potentially even threatening.    

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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #104 on: October 30, 2013, 09:39:05 AM »
- heck, I don't think that I ever even did so with either of my wives during their pregnancies - and I had 5 opportunities. (Yes, I did 'feel' the kicks on request, but never randomly rubbed their bellies as some do a statue of Buddha, for luck.)


LOL!  For some reason, upon first reading this, I thought you had multiple wives, at the same time!  5 of them, no less!

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« Reply #105 on: October 30, 2013, 11:12:21 AM »
- heck, I don't think that I ever even did so with either of my wives during their pregnancies - and I had 5 opportunities. (Yes, I did 'feel' the kicks on request, but never randomly rubbed their bellies as some do a statue of Buddha, for luck.)


LOL!  For some reason, upon first reading this, I thought you had multiple wives, at the same time!  5 of them, no less!

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Actually that's what I was thinking too. Usually divorced you refer them as ex-wives.

5 wives...ain't it enough suffering with just one? ;)
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #106 on: October 30, 2013, 11:21:11 AM »
- heck, I don't think that I ever even did so with either of my wives during their pregnancies - and I had 5 opportunities. (Yes, I did 'feel' the kicks on request, but never randomly rubbed their bellies as some do a statue of Buddha, for luck.)


LOL!  For some reason, upon first reading this, I thought you had multiple wives, at the same time!  5 of them, no less!

I need my coffee.

Actually that's what I was thinking too. Usually divorced you refer them as ex-wives.

5 wives...ain't it enough suffering with just one? ;)
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #107 on: October 30, 2013, 11:24:21 AM »
Lol better than me.

Either would mean 2...

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« Reply #108 on: October 30, 2013, 12:39:43 PM »
There might be some conflict between Western and traditional culture in this. Maybe pregnant women are one of the last vestiges of non-individualist culture.

I still think it's extremely awkward though.

So, creepy people who come up to pregnant women and rub their bellies without asking are actually the few, enlightened non-individualists?  Communitarianists, if you will; "it takes a village" and all that.

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« Reply #109 on: October 30, 2013, 12:49:14 PM »
I'm such an individualist.  I don't want creepy people touching me. :laugh:
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I'm such an individualist.  I don't want creepy people touching me. :laugh:

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« Reply #111 on: October 30, 2013, 01:03:29 PM »
I'm such an individualist.  I don't want creepy people touching me. :laugh:

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« Reply #112 on: October 30, 2013, 01:10:06 PM »
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #113 on: October 30, 2013, 02:21:03 PM »
Nobody attempted that on me during my pregnancy, thank goodness. I might have been okay with a woman; some just radiate goodwill. But, with both my father and father-in-law gone, the only male I would allow anywhere near my belly was my husband. Anyone else trying would have got a shiner for his pains. Before the lawsuit and restraining order. >:(
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« Reply #114 on: October 30, 2013, 02:47:19 PM »
Nobody attempted that on me during my pregnancy, thank goodness. I might have been okay with a woman; some just radiate goodwill. But, with both my father and father-in-law gone, the only male I would allow anywhere near my belly was my husband. Anyone else trying would have got a shiner for his pains. Before the lawsuit and restraining order. >:(

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« Reply #115 on: October 30, 2013, 04:13:57 PM »
On a somewhat related note, does the pregnant woman feel any pain when the baby "kicks"?


I never experienced pain, and my son did so much kicking, I thought he was bouncing a ball around in there.  That's not to say that other women don't experience pain.  Most women have some sort of morning sickness, and never got any of that, either.
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #116 on: October 30, 2013, 04:17:42 PM »
On a somewhat related note, does the pregnant woman feel any pain when the baby "kicks"?

I never experienced pain, and my son did so much kicking, I thought he was bouncing a ball around in there.  That's not to say that other women don't experience pain.  Most women have some sort of morning sickness, and never got any of that, either.

It can be painful if the baby's position sends the kicks towards sensitive areas (stomach, ribs, full bladder). Otherwise, it's just a kind of fluttery bouncing. Even fun, at times.
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #117 on: October 30, 2013, 08:09:43 PM »
Peoples obsession with pregnant strangers and newborns is becoming increasingly more creepy.

Its like people just have to touch it for some reason...why...
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« Reply #118 on: October 30, 2013, 10:04:34 PM »
I recall being touched a lot with each pregnancy, after the second or third time I didn't care anymore and accepted that the larger the belly the more they want to touch for whatever reason. It was always older women though so it wasn't creepy to me.

The only time it really bothered me was the one time someone asked if I was having twins.  :-\
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« Reply #119 on: October 31, 2013, 12:13:33 AM »
- heck, I don't think that I ever even did so with either of my wives during their pregnancies - and I had 5 opportunities. (Yes, I did 'feel' the kicks on request, but never randomly rubbed their bellies as some do a statue of Buddha, for luck.)


LOL!  For some reason, upon first reading this, I thought you had multiple wives, at the same time!  5 of them, no less!

Umm, that nick is 'Melkite' Liza, not 'Mormon' :D

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« Reply #120 on: October 31, 2013, 12:33:22 AM »

LOL! 

I was sleepy and needed my morning coffee.  ;D
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« Reply #121 on: October 31, 2013, 02:13:56 PM »
I have never had the desire to rub a pregnant woman's belly.  I just cannot understand the urge.  Part of this may be the fact that I have this bizarre feeling that if I were to poke a pregnant woman's belly pillsbury doughboy style it would rupture and the little guy would slither down my throat like an alien.  I realize this is unfounded in fact, but when I am around pregnant women and feel like I might bump them in anyway, shape, or form I tense up and get nervous.  In the same line of thought I try to avoid newborns when at all possible.  They aren't as slimy as babies in the womb but I still have this fear that they will coat themselves in the ubiquitous crap and vomit and then try to slither down my gullet. 

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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #122 on: October 31, 2013, 02:22:19 PM »
I have never had the desire to rub a pregnant woman's belly.  I just cannot understand the urge.  Part of this may be the fact that I have this bizarre feeling that if I were to poke a pregnant woman's belly pillsbury doughboy style it would rupture and the little guy would slither down my throat like an alien.  I realize this is unfounded in fact, but when I am around pregnant women and feel like I might bump them in anyway, shape, or form I tense up and get nervous.  In the same line of thought I try to avoid newborns when at all possible.  They aren't as slimy as babies in the womb but I still have this fear that they will coat themselves in the ubiquitous crap and vomit and then try to slither down my gullet. 

This whole topic just gives me the willies.

Sounds like you had the willies before the topic ever came up. 
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #123 on: October 31, 2013, 06:02:04 PM »
On a somewhat related note, does the pregnant woman feel any pain when the baby "kicks"?

I never experienced pain, and my son did so much kicking, I thought he was bouncing a ball around in there.  That's not to say that other women don't experience pain.  Most women have some sort of morning sickness, and never got any of that, either.

It can be painful if the baby's position sends the kicks towards sensitive areas (stomach, ribs, full bladder). Otherwise, it's just a kind of fluttery bouncing. Even fun, at times.

Fun until you're trying to fall asleep at night and suddenly the baby has hiccups. ;) Then you have to try to ignore the continuous, rhythmic bouncing.
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #124 on: October 31, 2013, 07:07:26 PM »
On a somewhat related note, does the pregnant woman feel any pain when the baby "kicks"?

I never experienced pain, and my son did so much kicking, I thought he was bouncing a ball around in there.  That's not to say that other women don't experience pain.  Most women have some sort of morning sickness, and never got any of that, either.

It can be painful if the baby's position sends the kicks towards sensitive areas (stomach, ribs, full bladder). Otherwise, it's just a kind of fluttery bouncing. Even fun, at times.

Fun until you're trying to fall asleep at night and suddenly the baby has hiccups. ;) Then you have to try to ignore the continuous, rhythmic bouncing.

I do not remember hiccups at night. Guess I was so tired that I slept through it.
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #125 on: October 31, 2013, 07:46:51 PM »
On a somewhat related note, does the pregnant woman feel any pain when the baby "kicks"?

I never experienced pain, and my son did so much kicking, I thought he was bouncing a ball around in there.  That's not to say that other women don't experience pain.  Most women have some sort of morning sickness, and never got any of that, either.

It can be painful if the baby's position sends the kicks towards sensitive areas (stomach, ribs, full bladder). Otherwise, it's just a kind of fluttery bouncing. Even fun, at times.

Fun until you're trying to fall asleep at night and suddenly the baby has hiccups. ;) Then you have to try to ignore the continuous, rhythmic bouncing.

I do not remember hiccups at night. Guess I was so tired that I slept through it.

Maybe you had a more considerate baby. :D
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #126 on: October 31, 2013, 07:49:11 PM »
“In Turkey, they say that if you’re touching a pregnant woman, they say that you will get the energy and you will get pregnant too,” added Yagmur.

New Yorkers Weigh In On Pennsylvania Law Banning Touching Pregnant Bellies
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/28/new-yorkers-weigh-in-on-pennsylvania-law-banning-touching-pregnant-bellies/

Does this explain anything at all about the Turkish people?
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #127 on: October 31, 2013, 07:59:59 PM »
“In Turkey, they say that if you’re touching a pregnant woman, they say that you will get the energy and you will get pregnant too,” added Yagmur.

New Yorkers Weigh In On Pennsylvania Law Banning Touching Pregnant Bellies
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/28/new-yorkers-weigh-in-on-pennsylvania-law-banning-touching-pregnant-bellies/

Does this explain anything at all about the Turkish people?

Now let me, in my dotage, get this straight. If I am brazen enough to accost some unfortunate pregnant women and rub her belly I'll get pregnant! Now I might have forgotten a few of the ins and outs of conception but someone really has got the most crazy imagination. They need to take more water with their drink.

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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #128 on: October 31, 2013, 08:22:30 PM »
Now I might have forgotten a few of the ins and outs of conception

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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #129 on: October 31, 2013, 08:29:40 PM »
Now I might have forgotten a few of the ins and outs of conception

Santa Granddad, quit teasing me.

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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #130 on: October 31, 2013, 08:33:20 PM »
Now I might have forgotten a few of the ins and outs of conception

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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #131 on: October 31, 2013, 08:41:13 PM »
Now I might have forgotten a few of the ins and outs of conception

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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #132 on: October 31, 2013, 08:47:48 PM »
My children and grandchildren bestowed it upon me, and all the local children and teenagers call me Santa. Have even had young ones call round and ask to see the reindeer (sigh, how do you answer that one).

I hope one day I will look slovenly enough to be called Grinch.
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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #133 on: October 31, 2013, 09:46:02 PM »
I'm sorry to the original post for treating you badly how can I do that to the one who directed me to a priest pray for me to insist to be regular with a priest and to find balance in my life

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Re: "Pregnant Woman Files Charges Over Belly Rubbing"
« Reply #134 on: November 01, 2013, 06:49:13 AM »
I'm sorry to the original post for treating you badly how can I do that to the one who directed me to a priest pray for me to insist to be regular with a priest and to find balance in my life


Wrong thread, maybe? ;)  Unless the one who directed you to a priest is pregnant.
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