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Global warming is real
« on: October 28, 2013, 12:18:23 PM »
We have now temperatures like 12oC at night and 20oC at day, more like August.

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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2013, 12:19:37 PM »
At times I think it's real when I feel it and see some statistics. Then, I find statistics to the complete opposite. Whether it is happening or not, however, we should take care of our environment and be cautious of any harm we can continue to cause to it.

I can't speak for Poland.
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2013, 12:51:48 PM »
Our temperatures are below the seasonal average right now and will likely be so for the next couple of weeks. One year they're up; next year they're down. One millennium they're up; next millennium they're down. Are you trying to make a point, or is this just an anecdotal observation?

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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2013, 12:58:33 PM »
We have now temperatures like 12oC at night and 20oC at day, more like August.

And we're 15- 20 degrees-F below "normal" and almost missed August weather altogether. Go figure.
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2013, 01:00:00 PM »
Our temperatures are below the seasonal average right now and will likely be so for the next couple of weeks. One year they're up; next year they're down. One millennium they're up; next millennium they're down. Are you trying to make a point, or is this just an anecdotal observation?

It is an anecdotal obervation. On the other hand I do not remember October like that. Not even close. The weather has been table for 2-3 weeks. It even is getting warmer. Normal temperatures would be at least 10oC lower.
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2013, 01:01:53 PM »
Of course it is. Just like the world wasn't created in seven days, but you have people who just can't let go of what their daddy believed.

So can we make all threads about weather into one giant morass as well?
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2013, 01:02:51 PM »
Our temperatures are below the seasonal average right now and will likely be so for the next couple of weeks. One year they're up; next year they're down. One millennium they're up; next millennium they're down. Are you trying to make a point, or is this just an anecdotal observation?

It is an anecdotal obervation. On the other hand I do not remember October like that. Not even close. The weather has been table for 2-3 weeks. It even is getting warmer. Normal temperatures would be at least 10oC lower.

How many Octobers DO you remember? ;D
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2013, 01:09:55 PM »
Our temperatures are below the seasonal average right now and will likely be so for the next couple of weeks. One year they're up; next year they're down. One millennium they're up; next millennium they're down. Are you trying to make a point, or is this just an anecdotal observation?

It is an anecdotal obervation. On the other hand I do not remember October like that. Not even close. The weather has been table for 2-3 weeks. It even is getting warmer. Normal temperatures would be at least 10oC lower.

How many Octobers DO you remember? ;D

I remember Octobers with temperature 30 degrees lower.

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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2013, 01:12:29 PM »
Our temperatures are below the seasonal average right now and will likely be so for the next couple of weeks. One year they're up; next year they're down. One millennium they're up; next millennium they're down. Are you trying to make a point, or is this just an anecdotal observation?

It is an anecdotal obervation. On the other hand I do not remember October like that. Not even close. The weather has been table for 2-3 weeks. It even is getting warmer. Normal temperatures would be at least 10oC lower.

How many Octobers DO you remember? ;D

I remember Octobers with temperature 30 degrees lower.

We are going to have to choose C or F here. Michal is there some dated Belarusi or whatever measure we could use instead?

How does Mt. Athos measure temp?
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2013, 01:18:06 PM »
I use C.



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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2013, 01:19:17 PM »
Saint Celsus ain't an Orthodox saint, so you gotta use the Byzantine temp. I think St. Constantine made one to measure ethe hotness in the first ecumenical council.
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2013, 01:35:30 PM »
it is pretty sunny and warm for October weather in the Tropics is that way year round.

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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2013, 01:46:04 PM »
There has been no global warming in 15 years now. Furthermore, almost ALL of the global warming since 1900 occurred prior to 1940.
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2013, 01:50:36 PM »
I'm surprised someone didn't say it's Buschs fault
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2013, 01:53:45 PM »
I'm surprised someone didn't say it's Buschs fault

It's not.  It's Bush's fault. ;D
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2013, 01:54:39 PM »
There has been no global warming in 15 years now. Furthermore, almost ALL of the global warming since 1900 occurred prior to 1940.

I truly hope you don't teach that to your parishioners.

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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2013, 01:56:53 PM »
I think St. Constantine made one to measure ethe hotness in the first ecumenical council.

Considering how many of those guys had scars and mutilations from persecution, I'd say the hotness was pretty low.

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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2013, 02:00:48 PM »
Saint Celsus ain't an Orthodox saint, so you gotta use the Byzantine temp. I think St. Constantine made one to measure ethe hotness in the first ecumenical council.

I don't know what Celsus you're referring to but just yesterday, we commemorated the martyr St. Celsius of Milan.

Celsius seems pretty Orthodox to me.
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2013, 02:11:35 PM »
I hope you all know that we are still in an Ice Age. We are in a middle period when temps have moderated and the ice sheets have shrunk but still exist. The question is if man made gasses and pollution have disturbed the cycle either one way or another. Have we effected the ocean  currents for example? Are the existing ice sheets melting faster?
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2013, 02:17:34 PM »
Temperatures here in Texas and in most of the United States have been unseasonably cold this autumn and winter.

The amount of ice in the Arctic has rapidly increased from last year.

There is no scientific evidence that mankind-produced gases or substances have any correlation to global warming or cooling whatever.

I am not a scientist, and even if I were, it would not be appropriate for me to "teach" parishioners scientific subjects. Why would I wish to, when I have no responsibility to do so?

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« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2013, 02:27:10 PM »
I hope you all know that we are still in an Ice Age. We are in a middle period when temps have moderated and the ice sheets have shrunk but still exist. The question is if man made gasses and pollution have disturbed the cycle either one way or another. Have we effected the ocean  currents for example? Are the existing ice sheets melting faster?

Regarding this being an ice age, today I am very inclined to believe you.
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2013, 02:29:01 PM »
Of course it is. Just like the world wasn't created in seven days,


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« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2013, 03:59:05 PM »
We have experienced thus far a record cold for December here in Texas.  We already even had an ice storm, that is very rare. ???

But that sounds super warm for Poland!

Global warming may be real, but there is an issue if man is causing it, or if its just natural.
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2013, 05:33:35 PM »
We have a PhD Atmospheric Scientist in our Parish... I will bring up the subject and see what she thinks.
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2013, 05:40:06 PM »
We have experienced thus far a record cold for December here in Texas.  We already even had an ice storm, that is very rare. ???

But that sounds super warm for Poland!

Global warming may be real, but there is an issue if man is causing it, or if its just natural.

Not only that. Man causing it or man contributing to it are also issues. They are not the same. Global Warming may be natural, but man might be contributing to it's impact.

But at the moment, I am not too sure whether it is happening. I've seen both sides.
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2014, 09:16:04 PM »
I guess if you are experiencing the full blast of a Polar Vortex now, theories about climate change may have taken a different perspective presently.

Still those who know it all will soon try to put me straight. Still be blooming cold out there in affected parts, though. ::)

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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2014, 09:47:33 PM »
I guess if you are experiencing the full blast of a Polar Vortex now, theories about climate change may have taken a different perspective presently.

Still those who know it all will soon try to put me straight. Still be blooming cold out there in affected parts, though. ::)
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2014, 10:02:35 PM »
In this global freezing weather, having a daily paper route might get you royally cold.
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2014, 10:04:18 PM »
I guess if you are experiencing the full blast of a Polar Vortex now, theories about climate change may have taken a different perspective presently.

Still those who know it all will soon try to put me straight. Still be blooming cold out there in affected parts, though. ::)

Sunny California may still be sunny, but it is darn cold at night (about 10 to 20 degrees below average).  Brrrrr.
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2014, 11:22:02 PM »
We have now temperatures like 12oC at night and 20oC at day, more like August.

According to climatologists, specific temperatures as well as weather pheonomena, are not accurate indicators of climate change/global warming. For example, here the temperature was -12 F. That's not earth-shattering, but quite below normal. In Antarctica where it's summer now (and that Russian ship was/is stuck in ice), the temperature was -13 F. In the past, there have been wide swings of unusual temperature readings. But climate change is figured on broader trends.
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2014, 11:24:10 PM »
Our temperatures are below the seasonal average right now and will likely be so for the next couple of weeks. One year they're up; next year they're down. One millennium they're up; next millennium they're down. Are you trying to make a point, or is this just an anecdotal observation?

It is an anecdotal obervation. On the other hand I do not remember October like that. Not even close. The weather has been table for 2-3 weeks. It even is getting warmer. Normal temperatures would be at least 10oC lower.

How many Octobers DO you remember? ;D

I remember Octobers with temperature 30 degrees lower.

We are going to have to choose C or F here. Michal is there some dated Belarusi or whatever measure we could use instead?

How does Mt. Athos measure temp?

From priests' journals in the 19th century, Russians seemed to use Reamur.
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2014, 11:26:57 PM »
Saint Celsus ain't an Orthodox saint, so you gotta use the Byzantine temp. I think St. Constantine made one to measure ethe hotness in the first ecumenical council.

No. Contrary to popular belief, the First Nicene Council was not convened to develop a scale to measure the hotness of females. That scale already existed, being invented by Julius Caesar. The council just set certain norms and standards, like the Patriarch of Alexandria making the first judgment and such. The controversy continued, however. The Celts, the pope, and the moderndox took exception.
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2014, 11:52:08 PM »
Increased solar activity (we are in a solar maximum right now) is what is really heating up the earth, and heating the core may cause an ice age.

http://www.euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10145&p=60338#p60327

Look at the red polar regions ... that is photons hitting us from the sun.
Just a little heat?

In the most recent post, you will see a result of the M1 flare that we just had moments ago along with the proton stream that is still hitting the earth.

http://www.euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10145&p=60338#p60338

And here is the M1 flare with another one just starting:

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/xray_1m.html
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2014, 01:08:29 AM »
41 F

Warmest "Winter" I've ever remembered. We had like 3 days with snow.
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« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2014, 01:46:19 AM »
-7 F: Coldest since 1992 and that -22 F was a hundred year record.

So much for "global"...
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2014, 02:02:14 AM »
-7.7 F with a wind chill of -27 F. It is miserable here in the Midwest.

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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2014, 03:01:18 AM »
Here is the source of global warming:

Watch this short silent video.

http://www.spaceweather.com/images2014/07jan14/ar1944_anim.gif?PHPSESSID=hlboo84c7dpdvgi1ncvpvgcdq1

We could be hit with a big X-flare as this sunspot 1944 is gigantic, unstable, and growing in size daily.
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2014, 11:51:21 AM »


The trends do not correlate.

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« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2014, 12:01:25 PM »
In this global freezing weather, having a daily paper route might get you royally cold.
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« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2014, 12:13:40 PM »
In this global freezing weather, having a daily paper route might get you royally cold.
This morning I could have declared myself king as no one else was out there to stop me!
I did declare myself king this morning.  At least, until my wife yelled at me to go to work.

Yes Ma'am.
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2014, 12:36:09 PM »
In this global freezing weather, having a daily paper route might get you royally cold.
This morning I could have declared myself king as no one else was out there to stop me!
I did declare myself king this morning.  At least, until my wife yelled at me to go to work.

Yes Ma'am.

Ah ha!  You're in charge...because she said so.  ;D
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2014, 01:30:17 PM »
In this global freezing weather, having a daily paper route might get you royally cold.
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2014, 02:13:13 PM »


The trends do not correlate.



Oh, they do correlate.

You are not showing the Photon bombardment due to Magnetic Flux from CMEs, which have increased recently due to our shield being gradually weakened, as you have only provided a generalized plot of the M-and X-class flares.

However, if you had looked at the cycles, you would have seen a huge X-flare (act of God), in that last solar cycle shown that does substantially warm the earth. It is not just the huge X-flare, but the resultant CME and Magnetic Flux bombardment that also substantially warm the core of the earth. In fact, as the solar activity has increased (the second sets of plots), the earth's core has been warming (the first sets of plots) incrementally.

That the earth's core has been substantially heated is shown in increased volcanic activity not only in the Pacific Ocean and Indian Oceans with new islands being formed, but also with increased volcanic activity at Yellowstone where that massive dome is likely to explode at any time and has geologists extremely worried. If Yellowstone were to blow, then scientists predict that we might enter an severe cold spell due to all the ash expelled into the atmosphere causing clouds of darkness that prevent the sun from warming our earth.

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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2014, 02:25:28 PM »
Do you have any data to support that assertion?
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Re: Global warming is real
« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2014, 02:30:10 PM »
Do you have any data to support that assertion?

That is my own extensive research and that of other astrophysicists. If you do not take the time to do your own research, you will not learn anything. Global warming is a myth, but if you do not educate yourself, then you will fall for the lie.

Look at the plots, they will tell you a lot of information.

And here is another plot that is current: a static plot that I just downloaded.
If we were not having the CME, photon bombardment, and X-1 class flare, then our earth would show a slightly purple glow at the point where the sun shines on earth, and the rest of the world including Artarctica and Arctic would be displayed in black. The red, yellow, and green zones show intense radiation.

http://www.euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10145&p=60349#p60349


I cannot upload static plots here, so I must upload plots at E Cafe and then share them here.


Here are two more dynamic plots, that show the X-flare in progress.

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/xray_1m.html - Class X1 flare.
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/drap/global.html - global photon flux

Read the information at www.spaceweather.com as they continually update their site.
This site is run by Dr. Tony Phillips, so it is not a fly-by night operation.
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