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Evil eye jewelry
« on: October 28, 2013, 12:46:47 AM »
Wear or throw out? Acceptable for a Christian or not?
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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2013, 12:50:37 AM »
Wear or throw out? Acceptable for a Christian or not?

Throw out. Unacceptable for a Christian to wear. It is invoking protection through superstition, not through God.
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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2013, 01:48:15 AM »
If you like it, and not wear it for some magic - why not?
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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2013, 02:07:55 AM »
It's not acceptable but the church accept the evil eye. Basil of Caesarea has wrote a prayer for vaskania (evil eye)

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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2013, 08:08:13 PM »
It's not acceptable but the church accept the evil eye. Basil of Caesarea has wrote a prayer for vaskania (evil eye)
That's for the blue dot one, not like the hamsa thing with the hand and eye?
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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2013, 08:16:10 PM »
Why are you wearing the evil eye? (or, more likely, something that repels it; I can't imagine anyone who would want to attract it on purpose). I think that would answer the question. Intent matters.
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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2013, 09:59:26 PM »
If you like it, and not wear it for some magic - why not?

Our scriptures tell us to not adorn ourselves with costly array.   Jewelry in itself is for style, pride, or boast.  It's an accessory of the flesh.
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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2013, 10:59:30 PM »
Why are you wearing the evil eye? (or, more likely, something that repels it; I can't imagine anyone who would want to attract it on purpose). I think that would answer the question. Intent matters.
It's pretty, and one of the pieces I have reminds me of the Greek festival I went to.
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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2013, 11:47:52 PM »
If you like it, and not wear it for some magic - why not?

Our scriptures tell us to not adorn ourselves with costly array.   Jewelry in itself is for style, pride, or boast.  It's an accessory of the flesh.
And the Proverbs 31 woman could have worn rags but didn't.
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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2013, 03:32:31 AM »
If you like it, and not wear it for some magic - why not?

Our scriptures tell us to not adorn ourselves with costly array.   Jewelry in itself is for style, pride, or boast.  It's an accessory of the flesh.

I would not say glass jewelry is costly.
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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2013, 01:04:15 PM »
If you like it, and not wear it for some magic - why not?

Our scriptures tell us to not adorn ourselves with costly array.   Jewelry in itself is for style, pride, or boast.  It's an accessory of the flesh.

I would not say glass jewelry is costly.

Some of it goes upwards of $298.  But you are right, some of it is "cheaper".  If you consider even the cheaper $20 stuff is a lot money in 3rd world countries (considering it is an accessory).   However the concept of jewelry works somewhat against the concepts taught in the New Covenant.   It's worldliness, it's pride,  it's boast, and style to "fit in", etc.  The scriptures speak of meekness, humbleness, modesty, etc.   To stand out, wearing items of fashion, boast, and pride, seems to work against the "Christian Motif".

I believe the intent of the OP was also about "Evil Eye" which of course the jewelry has a bunch of eyes (or one).   I am not sure if they were intending on bringing in a masonic "all seeing eye" issue. (Eye of Horus)   I don't know if the jewelry intended for this interpretation.   But I can state that outward fashion, prideful things, "worldly things", and costly array work against the New Covenant.
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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2013, 02:26:05 PM »
If you like it, and not wear it for some magic - why not?

Our scriptures tell us to not adorn ourselves with costly array.   Jewelry in itself is for style, pride, or boast.  It's an accessory of the flesh.

Wedding rings?  Crosses on chains around our necks?
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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2013, 02:30:54 PM »
If you like it, and not wear it for some magic - why not?

Our scriptures tell us to not adorn ourselves with costly array.   Jewelry in itself is for style, pride, or boast.  It's an accessory of the flesh.

Wedding rings?  Crosses on chains around our necks?

Yeah, but to be fair, these most often have a more religious, or at least spiritual, function.
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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2013, 02:36:51 PM »

I think the OP is thinking along the lines of:







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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2013, 02:39:14 PM »
If you like it, and not wear it for some magic - why not?

Our scriptures tell us to not adorn ourselves with costly array.   Jewelry in itself is for style, pride, or boast.  It's an accessory of the flesh.

Wedding rings?  Crosses on chains around our necks?

Yeah, but to be fair, these most often have a more religious, or at least spiritual, function.

Oh, I understand that.  But they are still "jewelry"...........
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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2013, 02:45:24 PM »
It's not acceptable but the church accept the evil eye. Basil of Caesarea has wrote a prayer for vaskania (evil eye)

Do you have a source for that?
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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2013, 02:55:50 PM »
It's not acceptable but the church accept the evil eye. Basil of Caesarea has wrote a prayer for vaskania (evil eye)

Do you have a source for that?

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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2013, 03:07:25 PM »
Personal opinion, but the ones Liza depicted struck me as 'creepy.'  Each to his or her own, I suppose.

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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2013, 03:11:14 PM »
Personal opinion, but the ones Liza depicted struck me as 'creepy.' 

I'll second that!
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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2013, 03:38:20 PM »
If you like it, and not wear it for some magic - why not?

Our scriptures tell us to not adorn ourselves with costly array.   Jewelry in itself is for style, pride, or boast.  It's an accessory of the flesh.

Wedding rings?  Crosses on chains around our necks?

Yesh opposes them too.
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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2013, 04:38:40 PM »
If you like it, and not wear it for some magic - why not?

Our scriptures tell us to not adorn ourselves with costly array.   Jewelry in itself is for style, pride, or boast.  It's an accessory of the flesh.

Wedding rings?  Crosses on chains around our necks?

Yesh opposes them too.

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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2013, 04:43:13 PM »
If you like it, and not wear it for some magic - why not?

Our scriptures tell us to not adorn ourselves with costly array.   Jewelry in itself is for style, pride, or boast.  It's an accessory of the flesh.

Wedding rings?  Crosses on chains around our necks?

Yesh opposes them too.

What can I say?

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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2013, 06:24:13 PM »
Personal opinion, but the ones Liza depicted struck me as 'creepy.'  Each to his or her own, I suppose.

The ones attached to the crucifix and to the icon are particularly baaaad. As if Christ needs help in warding off evil. :P :P :P
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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2013, 06:52:27 PM »
Personal opinion, but the ones Liza depicted struck me as 'creepy.'  Each to his or her own, I suppose.

The ones attached to the crucifix and to the icon are particularly baaaad. As if Christ needs help in warding off evil. :P :P :P

Yeah, wasn't sure what to think of the rosary one xD
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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2013, 07:59:14 PM »

I think the OP is thinking along the lines of:



Very much so, but with and without cross.
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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2013, 08:05:54 PM »
If you like it, and not wear it for some magic - why not?

Our scriptures tell us to not adorn ourselves with costly array.   Jewelry in itself is for style, pride, or boast.  It's an accessory of the flesh.

Wedding rings?  Crosses on chains around our necks?

Everything costs something, so maybe he should quit wearing vain clothes and go about naked.  ::)

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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2013, 09:09:16 PM »
If you like it, and not wear it for some magic - why not?

Our scriptures tell us to not adorn ourselves with costly array.   Jewelry in itself is for style, pride, or boast.  It's an accessory of the flesh.

Wedding rings?  Crosses on chains around our necks?

Everything costs something, so maybe he should quit wearing vain clothes and go about naked.  ::)

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Re: Evil eye jewelry
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2013, 09:49:19 PM »
If you like it, and not wear it for some magic - why not?

Our scriptures tell us to not adorn ourselves with costly array.   Jewelry in itself is for style, pride, or boast.  It's an accessory of the flesh.

Wedding rings?  Crosses on chains around our necks?

Everything costs something, so maybe he should quit wearing vain clothes and go about naked.  ::)
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