Actually, the links provided talk about IVF with "reservation" calling it "controversial" , but there's no definite "NO to IVF" anywhere. It's more of a case by case, talk to your priest kind of thing.
So you're OK with going along with something that comes with controversy and reservations just because there's no definite "NO"?
Whether or not you eat vertebrate fish during Great Lent is a case by case, ask your priest issue. Attending non-Orthodox services with your non-Orthodox spouse while you yourself are in the conversion process is a case by case, ask your priest issue.
IVF is at least more complicated than fish.
What people wrote are personal opinions. The Church does not have a canon against it, for example. Or does it?
How can the Church have a canon for or against IVF? It's a fairly recent procedure whose ethical and moral dimensions have yet to be fully understood.
Until then, we certainly do have principles, non-negotiable in and of themselves, which are applicable. And they raise more cons than pros.
I was actually looking for "why" would IVF be frowned upon. And all I got was some horror stories that don't apply in the majority of cases.
I've strenuously avoided "horror stories", so please see my posts again.
While I agree that a lot of couples don't care about zygotes and what happens to them, that can't possibly mean that the Church can't formulate a complete answer and educate the infertile couples on what they can do to have an ethical IVF.
In order for the Church to formulate a complete answer regarding IVF, the Church needs to fully understand the procedure. In my own experience as a non-scientist, I've found it difficult to figure out the truth of the matter because different physicians answer my questions differently...believe it or not, they are also influenced by ideologies, it's not "just the facts".
Once the Church has "just the facts", however, it can begin to formulate an answer regarding whether or not IVF is ethical and in accordance with our theology. Note, I didn't say the Church can formulate an answer "to educate infertile couples on what they can do to have an ethical IVF". First, we need to determine whether or not it is ethical:
a) if it's not, it's out
b) if it is ethical, then we can move on from there
c) if it is currently unethical, but could become ethical subject to certain "improvements", that's another matter. We'd have to see if IVF can make those ethical changes and still be effective.
But in every case, the first thing the Church is responsible for is determining whether this procedure can be justified according to the convictions of our faith. It's not about what the Church can do to help couples go through this procedure in an Orthodox way. That's putting lipstick on an animal that could be a woman or a pig: we need to turn on the lights and see clearly what we're dealing with.
Should we stop taking pain killers when we need them, just because people overdosed on them?
Should we stop going to Church just because some priest decided to sexual harass people?
Should we stop driving just because people got rich from selling cars at our expense?
Should I throw away my computer because it was built by small little Chinese children that are way underpaid?
Should we stop public schools from functioning Just because teachers are having sexual relationships with their students?
In all of the above, you are asking whether we should stop performing activities or using things of at least neutral (but also positive) moral value due to abuses that definitely have negative moral value
. You are presuming that IVF has neutral or positive moral value, but the Church/Jury is still out on this.
Should the Church marry gay people just because they are now allowed by law to do so in a civil court?
Should the Church be ok with abortion just because doctors are allowed by law to perform them?
Should the Church be ok with premarital sexual relationship just because two people are deeply in love and allowed by law to fornicate?
You know the answer to these questions because you know what the Church definitely believes about these matters. We haven't definitively come to a conclusion about IVF other than that there is reason for having reservations.
I just don't think the answers received are enough to make me understand IVF is bad. So far, there's nothing I read that can suggest that.
But I read enough guilt trips and judgements. That I got enough of to make me sad.
Forgive me, but I think this is the reason why you are reading into the views of your "opponents" things that are not there, and this is why I suggested that infertile couples considering IVF really need to involve more than just their doctor in coming to a decision on whether to go forward. Emotions, powerful as they are, don't always help.
By all means, keep reading, talk to whomever you feel is competent to answer your questions about the science, etc., but be open to the Church and to the light our faith can shed on these questions. Right now, I get the sense that you've made up your mind and are seeking justifications that are not as plentiful as you'd like. All of us struggle with that from time to time with our important concerns. That's why it's important to have some objectivity.
Ultimately, whatever the Church or science have to say about something, every person will choose to do what they feel is right, and they will have to answer for those choices before God. The added burden that infertile couples considering these reproductive technologies have is that they are also responsible before God for the children they may bring into existence, whether or not they survive long enough to be brought into the world after having developed fully.