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Should all forms of dancing be banned?

Yes, all dancing arouses the passions.
No, folk dancing should be allowed.
No, only dirty dancing should be banned.
No, see my reply below.
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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #90 on: October 23, 2013, 08:09:28 PM »
Maria, you don't get it; you're not a man. There is no such thing as "modest" dancing. Whenever a woman is moving her body around it is going to inflame passions within us males. I don't care if she's wearing an astronaut space suit; men are going to be attracted.

God willing, someday you will not be a teenager or young adult male. :)
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JamesR, no offense, dancing does not excite me.  Maybe 17 yr old kids will be attracted given their relatively higher libido, but once you are in your 30s, I'm way more excited over the prospect of eating a piece of pie or some cookies than I am over some girl dancing.  Unless she is scantily clothed.  Then that is going to catch my attention unfortunately.  :(

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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #91 on: October 23, 2013, 08:25:13 PM »
...'Orthodox Dances.'..

Orthodox liturgical dancers? IS INNOVATIONIST OUTRAGE!

Hopefully, that never happens. I saw enough of that when I was a Roman Catholic.
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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #92 on: October 23, 2013, 08:26:14 PM »
Maria, you don't get it; you're not a man. There is no such thing as "modest" dancing. Whenever a woman is moving her body around it is going to inflame passions within us males. I don't care if she's wearing an astronaut space suit; men are going to be attracted.

God willing, someday you will not be a teenager or young adult male. :)
+1

JamesR, no offense, dancing does not excite me.  Maybe 17 yr old kids will be attracted given their relatively higher libido, but once you are in your 30s, I'm way more excited over the prospect of eating a piece of pie or some cookies than I am over some girl dancing.  Unless she is scantily clothed.  Then that is going to catch my attention unfortunately.  :(

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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #93 on: October 23, 2013, 08:26:48 PM »
Maria, you don't get it; you're not a man. There is no such thing as "modest" dancing. Whenever a woman is moving her body around it is going to inflame passions within us males. I don't care if she's wearing an astronaut space suit; men are going to be attracted.

God willing, someday you will not be a teenager or young adult male. :)
+1

JamesR, no offense, dancing does not excite me.  Maybe 17 yr old kids will be attracted given their relatively higher libido, but once you are in your 30s, I'm way more excited over the prospect of eating a piece of pie or some cookies than I am over some girl dancing.  Unless she is scantily clothed.  Then that is going to catch my attention unfortunately.  :(

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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #94 on: October 23, 2013, 08:29:41 PM »
...'Orthodox Dances.'..

Orthodox liturgical dancers? IS INNOVATIONIST OUTRAGE!

Hopefully, that never happens. I saw enough of that when I was a Roman Catholic.
The local Catholics would never do such a thing. The local black Baptists, however, love it.

I see no place for such a practice to be integrated into Orthodox services. Anywhere it could be shoehorned in would be awkward.

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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #95 on: October 23, 2013, 08:31:39 PM »
...'Orthodox Dances.'..

Orthodox liturgical dancers? IS INNOVATIONIST OUTRAGE!

Hopefully, that never happens. I saw enough of that when I was a Roman Catholic.
The local Catholics would never do such a thing. The local black Baptists, however, love it.

I see no place for such a practice to be integrated into Orthodox services. Anywhere it could be shoehorned in would be awkward.


I dunno.  I think a nice dance between the Epistle reading and the Gospel reading could be nice.  You could even have the Deacon whirl across the front with his vestments fluttering.
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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #96 on: October 23, 2013, 08:37:57 PM »

I dunno.  I think a nice dance between the Epistle reading and the Gospel reading could be nice.  You could even have the Deacon whirl across the front with his vestments fluttering.

Haha, like this:
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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #97 on: October 23, 2013, 08:48:01 PM »
...'Orthodox Dances.'..

Orthodox liturgical dancers? IS INNOVATIONIST OUTRAGE!

Hopefully, that never happens. I saw enough of that when I was a Roman Catholic.
The local Catholics would never do such a thing. The local black Baptists, however, love it.

I see no place for such a practice to be integrated into Orthodox services. Anywhere it could be shoehorned in would be awkward.


I dunno.  I think a nice dance between the Epistle reading and the Gospel reading could be nice.  You could even have the Deacon whirl across the front with his vestments fluttering.

Perhaps the altar boys could take orders for cocktails. With a decent mark-up, it could pay the church's bills better than any festival. Add some high tables for the standing crowd...
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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #98 on: October 23, 2013, 08:51:03 PM »
...'Orthodox Dances.'..

Orthodox liturgical dancers? IS INNOVATIONIST OUTRAGE!

Hopefully, that never happens. I saw enough of that when I was a Roman Catholic.
The local Catholics would never do such a thing. The local black Baptists, however, love it.

I see no place for such a practice to be integrated into Orthodox services. Anywhere it could be shoehorned in would be awkward.


I dunno.  I think a nice dance between the Epistle reading and the Gospel reading could be nice.  You could even have the Deacon whirl across the front with his vestments fluttering.

Perhaps the altar boys could take orders for cocktails. With a decent mark-up, it could pay the church's bills better than any festival. Add some high tables for the standing crowd...
I'm shocked, SHOCKED you would make such a suggestion.  It is still during fast.  :P
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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #99 on: October 23, 2013, 09:01:27 PM »
Maria, you don't get it; you're not a man. There is no such thing as "modest" dancing. Whenever a woman is moving her body around it is going to inflame passions within us males. I don't care if she's wearing an astronaut space suit; men are going to be attracted.

God willing, someday you will not be a teenager or young adult male. :)
+1

JamesR, no offense, dancing does not excite me.  Maybe 17 yr old kids will be attracted given their relatively higher libido, but once you are in your 30s, I'm way more excited over the prospect of eating a piece of pie or some cookies than I am over some girl dancing.  Unless she is scantily clothed.  Then that is going to catch my attention unfortunately.  :(

Beware of dancing girls bringing cookies.

Girl Scouts don't dance, but they always manage to con me out of my money.

But...Cub Scout popcorn is even more expensive!

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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #100 on: October 23, 2013, 09:04:03 PM »
...'Orthodox Dances.'..

Orthodox liturgical dancers? IS INNOVATIONIST OUTRAGE!

Hopefully, that never happens. I saw enough of that when I was a Roman Catholic.
The local Catholics would never do such a thing. The local black Baptists, however, love it.

I see no place for such a practice to be integrated into Orthodox services. Anywhere it could be shoehorned in would be awkward.


I dunno.  I think a nice dance between the Epistle reading and the Gospel reading could be nice.  You could even have the Deacon whirl across the front with his vestments fluttering.

Perhaps the altar boys could take orders for cocktails. With a decent mark-up, it could pay the church's bills better than any festival. Add some high tables for the standing crowd...
I'm shocked, SHOCKED you would make such a suggestion.  It is still during fast.  :P

Your Scotch, sir.
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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #101 on: October 23, 2013, 09:05:45 PM »
...'Orthodox Dances.'..

Orthodox liturgical dancers? IS INNOVATIONIST OUTRAGE!

Hopefully, that never happens. I saw enough of that when I was a Roman Catholic.
The local Catholics would never do such a thing. The local black Baptists, however, love it.

I see no place for such a practice to be integrated into Orthodox services. Anywhere it could be shoehorned in would be awkward.


I dunno.  I think a nice dance between the Epistle reading and the Gospel reading could be nice.  You could even have the Deacon whirl across the front with his vestments fluttering.

Perhaps the altar boys could take orders for cocktails. With a decent mark-up, it could pay the church's bills better than any festival. Add some high tables for the standing crowd...
I'm shocked, SHOCKED you would make such a suggestion.  It is still during fast.  :P

Your Scotch, sir.

You're scorched, sir!   ::)
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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #102 on: October 23, 2013, 09:06:29 PM »
...'Orthodox Dances.'..

Orthodox liturgical dancers? IS INNOVATIONIST OUTRAGE!

Hopefully, that never happens. I saw enough of that when I was a Roman Catholic.
The local Catholics would never do such a thing. The local black Baptists, however, love it.

I see no place for such a practice to be integrated into Orthodox services. Anywhere it could be shoehorned in would be awkward.


I dunno.  I think a nice dance between the Epistle reading and the Gospel reading could be nice.  You could even have the Deacon whirl across the front with his vestments fluttering.

Perhaps the altar boys could take orders for cocktails. With a decent mark-up, it could pay the church's bills better than any festival. Add some high tables for the standing crowd...
I'm shocked, SHOCKED you would make such a suggestion.  It is still during fast.  :P

Your Scotch, sir.
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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #103 on: October 23, 2013, 09:23:47 PM »
But...Cub Scout popcorn is even more expensive!

You're right, but they don't dance either!  Just some sad eyes and some spiel about not going to some Jamboree.  Ah, what the heck, sign me up for 3 cans of popcorn. ;D
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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #104 on: October 24, 2013, 12:08:08 AM »
just keep it outside the church...

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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #105 on: October 24, 2013, 01:21:43 AM »
Should all forms of dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?

Personally, I see nothing wrong with modest traditional Greek folk dancing as is done in Greek Orthodox Churches.

I am not going to read this thread at this point. I specified No see my reply below.

Traditional Greek folk dancing should certainly be allowed and also spontaneous or dances to the same music.

I am also an advocate to belly dancing. I think it is fine in a Greek festival Taverna setting. I do not mean the tribal form (which I dislike because it just seems like a fitness/weight loss program to me). If you think I am joking, I am serious about this, but it is late for me to set forth why I think this dance form is worthwhile.


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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #106 on: October 24, 2013, 02:06:18 AM »
Maria, you don't get it; you're not a man. There is no such thing as "modest" dancing. Whenever a woman is moving her body around it is going to inflame passions within us males. I don't care if she's wearing an astronaut space suit; men are going to be attracted.

When I took a tour of a Catholic home for the aged many years ago with a group of young ladies who were thinking of volunteering or working there, the nun in charge told us, "These elderly men may look old, but they are certainly not dead." She chuckled and then told us to be very careful.

When I was student teaching, we were told to dress very modestly and always wear a vest or jacket over our blouse because some autistic boys, teens, and men will try to touch a woman who is not appropriately covered.

It's very true. And I'm not saying it's okay or anything--we men SHOULD be able to control ourselves, but most of us can't. Heck, I can't. I think all dancing should be prohibited in these halls.
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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #107 on: October 24, 2013, 02:06:18 AM »
Who will set the criteria for what constitutes "inappropriate" or "dirty" dancing"?  It's so vague hence why I voted no.  If individual parishes who have halls want to do that, that's up to the individual halls, but I don't think such a directive should come down from on high from the archbishop.  Doesn't he have anything better to do?
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« Reply #108 on: October 24, 2013, 02:06:18 AM »
I once said Romanian Pentecostals were against premarital sex because it might lead to dancing.
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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #109 on: October 24, 2013, 02:43:54 AM »
Should all forms of dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?

Personally, I see nothing wrong with modest traditional Greek folk dancing as is done in Greek Orthodox Churches.

I am not going to read this thread at this point. I specified No see my reply below.

Traditional Greek folk dancing should certainly be allowed and also spontaneous or dances to the same music.

I am also an advocate to belly dancing. I think it is fine in a Greek festival Taverna setting. I do not mean the tribal form (which I dislike because it just seems like a fitness/weight loss program to me). If you think I am joking, I am serious about this, but it is late for me to set forth why I think this dance form is worthwhile.

The bolded part is why I started training in it. :D Then I fell in love with the form, and the rest is history.
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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #110 on: October 24, 2013, 04:10:59 AM »
Don't have have any idea what TWERKING is and suspect my ignorance is possibly a blessing.

What should not be allowed?

Dancing, no. JamesR pretty well covered that.
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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #111 on: October 24, 2013, 07:01:38 AM »
I once said Romanian Pentecostals were against premarital sex because it might lead to dancing.

No, that'd be Puerto Rican pentecostals, too.  Unless in repentance, you dance "in the spirit" and are later "slain."
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Re: Should dancing be banned in Orthodox Christian Halls and Festivals?
« Reply #112 on: October 24, 2013, 10:18:25 AM »
Don't have have any idea what TWERKING is and suspect my ignorance is possibly a blessing.

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