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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #90 on: October 23, 2013, 06:36:21 AM »
Romantic comedies are destructive as they give women unrealistic expectations and pollute the mind...have any of you actually seen the stuff some girls watch?

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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #91 on: October 23, 2013, 06:37:41 AM »
Eh, women do the same thing except it comes packaged in "romance" novels like 50 Shades of Gray. Is porn wrong? Yes. It's exploiting another person's suffering--the porn star, many of which suffer depression and/or other issues--and cheating on your mate to an extent. But the thing that bothers me is that many people make this out to be an evil male problem and exclude women from the equation. Why don't we talk about those millions of women who read pornography in the form of novels? It's no different, except it's made to appeal to women more than men.

Romance/smut novels at least have some veneer of story, and usually end in marriage. Even 50 Shades.

Newsflash: Women watch porn too.

Oh,
why?????
for all who about to read fifty shades of grey you've spoiled it. now we know the end. thanx

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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #92 on: October 23, 2013, 07:02:42 AM »
I was going to make a post related to this. And how being a eunuch seemed preferred to the disciples if one can not get alone perfectly with their wives because their wife might offend them e.g not accepting his work mates or ambitions for religions sake. If they are not willing to take that cross they should be a eunuch. It makes me think I should be a eunuch if I don't have a wife who completely pleases me. What is one to do if he is married to an evil or stubborn or blinded woman?
If my wife does not please me I may wish I was alone so I can enjoy my life more but I would not cheat on her
St Paul says the wife should try to win over their husbands by their conduct but the husband must never oppress his wife


When you say eunuch, you mean it in the broader sense of a celibate, right?

Let's not do anything too drastic...

yes I do mean that: to be celibate
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« Reply #93 on: October 23, 2013, 07:17:35 AM »
You'd watch porn because your activity is sexually aberrational in the first place (aka sinful). Sex was left by God towards procreation, but over time, it turned into an object in itself. Even within Orthodoxy, many people believe sex is a sort of a way to become one and/or a way of obtaining pleasure from one another, yet sex was blessed within the sacrament of marriage, marriage meaning forming a family and giving birth to children. Marriage ceases to be a sacrament when people have sex only for the erotic aspect; they cease to be of spiritual use to themselves and the community and become sort of an introverted and separate unit that focuses on carnality. Carnality would be a spiritual sin (even outside of marriage, of course, since there shouldn't be "outside of marriage" to boot). Now, I know sparks will fly from me saying this. My answer, as always: to each, their own.
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #94 on: October 23, 2013, 07:21:49 AM »
nvm
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #95 on: October 23, 2013, 08:06:02 AM »
Eh, women do the same thing except it comes packaged in "romance" novels like 50 Shades of Gray. Is porn wrong? Yes. It's exploiting another person's suffering--the porn star, many of which suffer depression and/or other issues--and cheating on your mate to an extent. But the thing that bothers me is that many people make this out to be an evil male problem and exclude women from the equation. Why don't we talk about those millions of women who read pornography in the form of novels? It's no different, except it's made to appeal to women more than men.

Romance/smut novels at least have some veneer of story, and usually end in marriage. Even 50 Shades.

Newsflash: Women watch porn too.

Oh,
why?????
for all who about to read fifty shades of grey you've spoiled it. now we know the end. thanx

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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #96 on: October 23, 2013, 11:06:31 AM »
You'd watch porn because your activity is sexually aberrational in the first place (aka sinful). Sex was left by God towards procreation, but over time, it turned into an object in itself. Even within Orthodoxy, many people believe sex is a sort of a way to become one and/or a way of obtaining pleasure from one another, yet sex was blessed within the sacrament of marriage, marriage meaning forming a family and giving birth to children. Marriage ceases to be a sacrament when people have sex only for the erotic aspect; they cease to be of spiritual use to themselves and the community and become sort of an introverted and separate unit that focuses on carnality. Carnality would be a spiritual sin (even outside of marriage, of course, since there shouldn't be "outside of marriage" to boot). Now, I know sparks will fly from me saying this.

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My answer, as always: to each, their own.

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Marriage ceases to be a sacrament when...

The more I learn, read, and observe, etc., the more difficult it seems to "define" marriage.
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #97 on: October 23, 2013, 11:11:59 AM »
And God is probably thinking, "Geez people, it isn't that hard.  Pick someone of the opposite sex, have it blessed by the Church, commit to them for the rest of your brief life and you have a marriage. What part of that process don't you get?"  ;D
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« Reply #98 on: October 23, 2013, 11:12:58 AM »
You'd watch porn because your activity is sexually aberrational in the first place (aka sinful). Sex was left by God towards procreation, but over time, it turned into an object in itself. Even within Orthodoxy, many people believe sex is a sort of a way to become one and/or a way of obtaining pleasure from one another, yet sex was blessed within the sacrament of marriage, marriage meaning forming a family and giving birth to children. Marriage ceases to be a sacrament when people have sex only for the erotic aspect; they cease to be of spiritual use to themselves and the community and become sort of an introverted and separate unit that focuses on carnality. Carnality would be a spiritual sin (even outside of marriage, of course, since there shouldn't be "outside of marriage" to boot). Now, I know sparks will fly from me saying this.

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My answer, as always: to each, their own.

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Marriage ceases to be a sacrament when...

The more I learn, read, and observe, etc., the more difficult it seems to "define" marriage.

Marriage is serious. Best for one to read as much he can from saints, fathers and theology.

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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #99 on: October 23, 2013, 01:26:45 PM »
Marriage is serious.

I agree.

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Best for one to read as much he can from saints, fathers and theology.

My impression of you is that you feel you are doing this, and yet I disagree with most of what you have to say about the subject.  And I've engaged in similar study.   

By all means, learn from the saints, the holy fathers, and theologians.  But also learn from Scripture and from the liturgy, which need to be incorporated into any Christian vision of marriage and which you seem to ignore.  Also, marriage is a very human institution.  You can't theologise it to oblivion, you need to understand something about human nature, the person you are married to, family, cultural/societal norms, etc.  It's not enough to refer to Elder X and Schemamonk Y for your views on marriage; I doubt very much that Elder X and Schemamonk Y are going to be consulting Mrs Z any time soon to learn about proper monastic life.   
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #100 on: October 23, 2013, 03:29:17 PM »
Marriage is serious. Best for one to read as much he can from saints, fathers and theology.

Doesn't seem to suggest marriage is very serious considering most people back then appeared to just marry on a whim after giving the father of the bride a donkey or some crap. And then divorcing the moment the husband has a spiritual awakening and decides to become a monk.

This whole romantic notion of love and marriage--and monogamy itself--is just a product of 19th century Western European culture. It has nothing to do with religion.
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #101 on: October 23, 2013, 03:51:48 PM »
And God is probably thinking, "Geez people, it isn't that hard.  Pick someone of the opposite sex, have it blessed by the Church, commit to them for the rest of your brief life and you have a marriage. What part of that process don't you get?"  ;D

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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #102 on: October 23, 2013, 04:17:13 PM »
Marriage is serious. Best for one to read as much he can from saints, fathers and theology.

Doesn't seem to suggest marriage is very serious considering most people back then appeared to just marry on a whim after giving the father of the bride a donkey or some crap.

When have cow pies ever been an acceptable dowry? 

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This whole romantic notion of love and marriage--and monogamy itself--is just a product of 19th century Western European culture. It has nothing to do with religion.

But the Song of Songs was in the original 1611 Authorised Version.  You're at least two hundred years off. 
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #103 on: October 23, 2013, 04:22:16 PM »
Marriage is serious. Best for one to read as much he can from saints, fathers and theology.

Doesn't seem to suggest marriage is very serious considering most people back then appeared to just marry on a whim after giving the father of the bride a donkey or some crap.

When have cow pies ever been an acceptable dowry? 

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This whole romantic notion of love and marriage--and monogamy itself--is just a product of 19th century Western European culture. It has nothing to do with religion.

But the Song of Songs was in the original 1611 Authorised Version.  You're at least two hundred years off. 
Awesome rebuttal LOL
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« Reply #104 on: October 23, 2013, 04:28:15 PM »
This whole romantic notion of love and marriage--and monogamy itself--is just a product of 19th century Western European culture. It has nothing to do with religion.

Catullus begs to differ.
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« Reply #105 on: October 23, 2013, 04:43:48 PM »
This whole romantic notion of love and marriage--and monogamy itself--is just a product of 19th century Western European culture. It has nothing to do with religion.

I keep having to remind myself that, since you don't bother with fiction, any reference to medieval romances would go waaaaay over your head.
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« Reply #106 on: October 23, 2013, 04:46:37 PM »
Here's some romantic poetry from 700BC-550AD

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« Reply #107 on: October 23, 2013, 04:50:56 PM »
Here's some romantic poetry from 700BC-550AD

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« Reply #108 on: October 23, 2013, 05:01:58 PM »
This whole romantic notion of love and marriage--and monogamy itself--is just a product of 19th century Western European culture. It has nothing to do with religion.

Catullus begs to differ.

Isn't he the guy who threatened to ram radishes and fish up someone's pooper if he took away his boy?  If that ain't love, I don't want to know what is.
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #109 on: October 23, 2013, 05:06:04 PM »
This whole romantic notion of love and marriage--and monogamy itself--is just a product of 19th century Western European culture. It has nothing to do with religion.

Catullus begs to differ.

Isn't he the guy who threatened to ram radishes and fish up someone's pooper if he took away his boy?  If that ain't love, I don't want to know what is.

Yes. This poem (NSFW) of Catullus is even more explicit. It's a response to some guys who thought his romantic poems effeminate.

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« Reply #110 on: October 23, 2013, 05:34:46 PM »
This whole romantic notion of love and marriage--and monogamy itself--is just a product of 19th century Western European culture. It has nothing to do with religion.

Catullus begs to differ.

Isn't he the guy who threatened to ram radishes and fish up someone's pooper if he took away his boy?  If that ain't love, I don't want to know what is.

Yes. This poem (NSFW) of Catullus is even more explicit. It's a response to some guys who thought his romantic poems effeminate.

Sticking radishes up someone's behind was the punishment that the laws prescribed for adulterers in Antiquity.
whoa that poem.  :o :o
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« Reply #111 on: October 23, 2013, 06:12:38 PM »
And my partners got "quality" sex throughout the duration of the relationships I have been in, longest 3 years. Didn't need to spice it up or anything ridiculous.

Lately you have quite a penchant for discussing your sexual history with us.  Is everything OK?       
Because I don't think people are as blunt as they should be when it comes to the topic of sex.

I am not trying to intentionally brag about whatever history I have. I just think the puritanism that creeps up out of religious people obfuscates the question rather than answering it clearly.

I think Mor is right on this one. You're coming across as creepy and attention-seeking. Nobody cares about your sex life.

I only post this because the transparency that people have about their relationships enfuriates me. I think it's pretty degenerate. One friend of mine used to let another friend know whenever he had sex. The other guy knew exactly how many times he and the girl had done it, and when. What the hell? Have some dignity. That goes for you, too.
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« Reply #112 on: October 23, 2013, 06:16:22 PM »
And my partners got "quality" sex throughout the duration of the relationships I have been in, longest 3 years. Didn't need to spice it up or anything ridiculous.

Lately you have quite a penchant for discussing your sexual history with us.  Is everything OK?       
Because I don't think people are as blunt as they should be when it comes to the topic of sex.

I am not trying to intentionally brag about whatever history I have. I just think the puritanism that creeps up out of religious people obfuscates the question rather than answering it clearly.

I think Mor is right on this one. You're coming across as creepy and attention-seeking. Nobody cares about your sex life.

I only post this because the transparency that people have about their relationships enfuriates me. I think it's pretty degenerate. One friend of mine used to let another friend know whenever he had sex. The other guy knew exactly how many times he and the girl had done it, and when. What the hell? Have some dignity. That goes for you, too.
I haven't posted anything of detail in this thread. Maybe that other one, but that's only because I strongly believe you should be having sex if you are in a relationship with someone you love.

You are 100% right nobody cares about it and really nobody should.

I am only using my experience to backup my opinions on it.

I am sorry if I have come across as such. But you should know that people who are transperant in their relationships (such as useless superficial gossip like how good the sex was, kinda what ZealousZeal talked about) is sort of common amongst we Americans.
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« Reply #113 on: October 23, 2013, 06:16:31 PM »
And my partners got "quality" sex throughout the duration of the relationships I have been in, longest 3 years. Didn't need to spice it up or anything ridiculous.

Lately you have quite a penchant for discussing your sexual history with us.  Is everything OK?       
Because I don't think people are as blunt as they should be when it comes to the topic of sex.

I am not trying to intentionally brag about whatever history I have. I just think the puritanism that creeps up out of religious people obfuscates the question rather than answering it clearly.

I think Mor is right on this one. You're coming across as creepy and attention-seeking. Nobody cares about your sex life.

I only post this because the transparency that people have about their relationships enfuriates me. I think it's pretty degenerate. One friend of mine used to let another friend know whenever he had sex. The other guy knew exactly how many times he and the girl had done it, and when. What the hell? Have some dignity. That goes for you, too.

Basically. When I hear people complain about their relationships etc., I think, "You're the one who gets yourself into these messes."

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« Reply #114 on: October 23, 2013, 06:20:04 PM »
And my partners got "quality" sex throughout the duration of the relationships I have been in, longest 3 years. Didn't need to spice it up or anything ridiculous.

Lately you have quite a penchant for discussing your sexual history with us.  Is everything OK?       
Because I don't think people are as blunt as they should be when it comes to the topic of sex.

I am not trying to intentionally brag about whatever history I have. I just think the puritanism that creeps up out of religious people obfuscates the question rather than answering it clearly.

I think Mor is right on this one. You're coming across as creepy and attention-seeking. Nobody cares about your sex life.

I only post this because the transparency that people have about their relationships enfuriates me. I think it's pretty degenerate. One friend of mine used to let another friend know whenever he had sex. The other guy knew exactly how many times he and the girl had done it, and when. What the hell? Have some dignity. That goes for you, too.

Basically. When I hear people complain about their relationships etc., I think, "You're the one who gets yourself into these messes."
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #115 on: October 23, 2013, 06:21:21 PM »
And my partners got "quality" sex throughout the duration of the relationships I have been in, longest 3 years. Didn't need to spice it up or anything ridiculous.

Lately you have quite a penchant for discussing your sexual history with us.  Is everything OK?       
Because I don't think people are as blunt as they should be when it comes to the topic of sex.

I am not trying to intentionally brag about whatever history I have. I just think the puritanism that creeps up out of religious people obfuscates the question rather than answering it clearly.

I think Mor is right on this one. You're coming across as creepy and attention-seeking. Nobody cares about your sex life.

I only post this because the transparency that people have about their relationships enfuriates me. I think it's pretty degenerate. One friend of mine used to let another friend know whenever he had sex. The other guy knew exactly how many times he and the girl had done it, and when. What the hell? Have some dignity. That goes for you, too.

Basically. When I hear people complain about their relationships etc., I think, "You're the one who gets yourself into these messes."
Wanna tell that to Asteriktos' face?
He admitted to that himself.  But again, its below the belt to bring him into it since he isn't here.  :(
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #116 on: October 23, 2013, 06:25:47 PM »
And my partners got "quality" sex throughout the duration of the relationships I have been in, longest 3 years. Didn't need to spice it up or anything ridiculous.

Lately you have quite a penchant for discussing your sexual history with us.  Is everything OK?       
Because I don't think people are as blunt as they should be when it comes to the topic of sex.

I am not trying to intentionally brag about whatever history I have. I just think the puritanism that creeps up out of religious people obfuscates the question rather than answering it clearly.

I think Mor is right on this one. You're coming across as creepy and attention-seeking. Nobody cares about your sex life.

I only post this because the transparency that people have about their relationships enfuriates me. I think it's pretty degenerate. One friend of mine used to let another friend know whenever he had sex. The other guy knew exactly how many times he and the girl had done it, and when. What the hell? Have some dignity. That goes for you, too.

Basically. When I hear people complain about their relationships etc., I think, "You're the one who gets yourself into these messes."
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #117 on: October 23, 2013, 06:26:23 PM »
What about folks that don't know a marriage is a mess until years after the fact? Did they get themselves initially in it? No.

I dunno, maybe you're not the type of person to work things out I guess.
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #118 on: October 23, 2013, 06:30:09 PM »
What about folks that don't know a marriage is a mess until years after the fact? Did they get themselves initially in it? No.

I dunno, maybe you're not the type of person to work things out I guess.
A marriage is what you make it and it takes two to make it.
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #119 on: October 23, 2013, 06:31:09 PM »
Marriage is serious. Best for one to read as much he can from saints, fathers and theology.

Doesn't seem to suggest marriage is very serious considering most people back then appeared to just marry on a whim after giving the father of the bride a donkey or some crap. And then divorcing the moment the husband has a spiritual awakening and decides to become a monk.

This whole romantic notion of love and marriage--and monogamy itself--is just a product of 19th century Western European culture. It has nothing to do with religion.
Or consider the divorce rate.

Weddings are obviously more important now than the marriage. How many new TV shows have I seen just on the wedding? I can count on more than one hand.
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #120 on: October 23, 2013, 06:33:23 PM »
What about folks that don't know a marriage is a mess until years after the fact? Did they get themselves initially in it? No.

I dunno, maybe you're not the type of person to work things out I guess.
A marriage is what you make it and it takes two to make it.
Sounds like a nice bumper sticker.
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #121 on: October 23, 2013, 06:34:24 PM »
What about folks that don't know a marriage is a mess until years after the fact? Did they get themselves initially in it? No.

I dunno, maybe you're not the type of person to work things out I guess.
A marriage is what you make it and it takes two to make it.
Sounds like a nice bumper sticker.
It isn't a hard concept to understand, but it is dang hard to do.
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #122 on: October 23, 2013, 06:35:49 PM »
What about folks that don't know a marriage is a mess until years after the fact? Did they get themselves initially in it? No.

I dunno, maybe you're not the type of person to work things out I guess.
A marriage is what you make it and it takes two to make it.
Sounds like a nice bumper sticker.

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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #123 on: October 23, 2013, 06:36:53 PM »
What about folks that don't know a marriage is a mess until years after the fact? Did they get themselves initially in it? No.

I dunno, maybe you're not the type of person to work things out I guess.
A marriage is what you make it and it takes two to make it.
Sounds like a nice bumper sticker.

Said the armchair relationship expert to the happily married man.
I didn't realize he was happily married.

And weren't you the one just PMing me about relationship advice?
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #124 on: October 23, 2013, 06:37:40 PM »
What about folks that don't know a marriage is a mess until years after the fact? Did they get themselves initially in it? No.

I dunno, maybe you're not the type of person to work things out I guess.
A marriage is what you make it and it takes two to make it.
Sounds like a nice bumper sticker.

Said the armchair relationship expert to the happily married man.
lol, I never said I was happily married.  Some days I'm happy, other days I am downright frustrated.   ;D

On a serious note. All in all, I would say I'm fairly happy with my marriage.  We deal with issues just like any couple does, but she really is a wonderful wife and I am most fortunate to have her.
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #125 on: October 23, 2013, 06:43:04 PM »
What about folks that don't know a marriage is a mess until years after the fact? Did they get themselves initially in it? No.

I dunno, maybe you're not the type of person to work things out I guess.
A marriage is what you make it and it takes two to make it.
Sounds like a nice bumper sticker.

Said the armchair relationship expert to the happily married man.
lol, I never said I was happily married.

My mistake.
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #126 on: October 23, 2013, 07:06:51 PM »
What about folks that don't know a marriage is a mess until years after the fact? Did they get themselves initially in it? No.

I dunno, maybe you're not the type of person to work things out I guess.
A marriage is what you make it and it takes two to make it.
Sounds like a nice bumper sticker.

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more like the Chopra Deepak wisdom generator

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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #127 on: October 23, 2013, 07:09:44 PM »
Marriage is serious. Best for one to read as much he can from saints, fathers and theology.

Or, you know, experience it.  Life and all that.

Doesn't seem to suggest marriage is very serious considering most people back then appeared to just marry on a whim after giving the father of the bride a donkey or some crap. And then divorcing the moment the husband has a spiritual awakening and decides to become a monk.

This whole romantic notion of love and marriage--and monogamy itself--is just a product of 19th century Western European culture. It has nothing to do with religion.

Grow up and stop reading comparative gender lit.   ::)
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #128 on: October 23, 2013, 07:46:41 PM »
Eh, women do the same thing except it comes packaged in "romance" novels like 50 Shades of Gray. Is porn wrong? Yes. It's exploiting another person's suffering--the porn star, many of which suffer depression and/or other issues--and cheating on your mate to an extent. But the thing that bothers me is that many people make this out to be an evil male problem and exclude women from the equation. Why don't we talk about those millions of women who read pornography in the form of novels? It's no different, except it's made to appeal to women more than men.

Romance/smut novels at least have some veneer of story, and usually end in marriage. Even 50 Shades.

Newsflash: Women watch porn too.

Batman XXX. Considered by many fans of the '60s show to be almost as good as having a new episode of the series- there's even a version with all the sex edited out. "Some veneer of story" is as poor an excuse as "I only get it for the articles."
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #129 on: October 23, 2013, 07:55:48 PM »
What about folks that don't know a marriage is a mess until years after the fact? Did they get themselves initially in it? No.

I dunno, maybe you're not the type of person to work things out I guess.
A marriage is what you make it and it takes two to make it.
Sounds like a nice bumper sticker.

Said the armchair relationship expert to the happily married man.
more like the Chopra Deepak wisdom generator
lol, that's me!

If you impart more than 15 syllables of wisdom in one post, it is a lost cause.  :laugh:
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #130 on: October 23, 2013, 07:59:32 PM »
Eh, women do the same thing except it comes packaged in "romance" novels like 50 Shades of Gray. Is porn wrong? Yes. It's exploiting another person's suffering--the porn star, many of which suffer depression and/or other issues--and cheating on your mate to an extent. But the thing that bothers me is that many people make this out to be an evil male problem and exclude women from the equation. Why don't we talk about those millions of women who read pornography in the form of novels? It's no different, except it's made to appeal to women more than men.

Romance/smut novels at least have some veneer of story, and usually end in marriage. Even 50 Shades.

Newsflash: Women watch porn too.

Batman XXX. Considered by many fans of the '60s show to be almost as good as having a new episode of the series- there's even a version with all the sex edited out. "Some veneer of story" is as poor an excuse as "I only get it for the articles."

I am tired of everyone poo pooing people getting playboy only for the articles.  They can be pretty good sometime.  If you are getting playboy for anything but the articles you're doing it wrong.
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #131 on: October 23, 2013, 08:05:32 PM »
Eh, women do the same thing except it comes packaged in "romance" novels like 50 Shades of Gray. Is porn wrong? Yes. It's exploiting another person's suffering--the porn star, many of which suffer depression and/or other issues--and cheating on your mate to an extent. But the thing that bothers me is that many people make this out to be an evil male problem and exclude women from the equation. Why don't we talk about those millions of women who read pornography in the form of novels? It's no different, except it's made to appeal to women more than men.

Romance/smut novels at least have some veneer of story, and usually end in marriage. Even 50 Shades.

Newsflash: Women watch porn too.

Batman XXX. Considered by many fans of the '60s show to be almost as good as having a new episode of the series- there's even a version with all the sex edited out. "Some veneer of story" is as poor an excuse as "I only get it for the articles."
I just googled this. That Catwoman looks mighty fine.

I thought the Nolan trilogy was enough Batman pron.

I miss the nipples on the batsuit from the Schumacher films.
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #132 on: October 23, 2013, 08:46:27 PM »
I am sorry if I have come across as such. But you should know that people who are transperant in their relationships (such as useless superficial gossip like how good the sex was, kinda what ZealousZeal talked about) is sort of common amongst we Americans.

I certainly hope that everyone reading my posts was clear that I was talking about the quality of marital sex (and how I feel porn could damage it) in a very general sense. I was not gossiping about my own sex life, and I don't think that's what you meant by that but just in case I want to clarify. I have no problem talking about sex, but I do make it a point not to talk about my own sex life online or IRL.
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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #133 on: October 23, 2013, 08:55:05 PM »
Does anyone find it ironic that some are posting things of a pornographic nature for others to check out on google? Like Batman xxx? What's the point in even bringing this up, EXCEPT to alert others to its existence so they can then view the porn in question?

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Re: To those married/in relationships that watch porn...
« Reply #134 on: October 23, 2013, 08:57:00 PM »
Does anyone find it ironic that some are posting things of a pornographic nature for others to check out on google? Like Batman xxx? What's the point in even bringing this up, EXCEPT to alert others to its existence so they can then view the porn in question?
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