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People Don't Know Internet
« on: October 18, 2013, 05:41:34 PM »
Those who actually know internet, let's start help others using it correctly.

For example, hijacking lately as been thrown around a lot and incorrectly so.

What is hijacking when properly understood? Please provide examples for discussion, if clarity calls for it.

I've explained some internet before to no avail, but maybe having a thread dedicated to it will help others. For example, troll here is used incorrectly about 99% of the time.
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Re: People Don't Know Internet
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2013, 05:44:31 PM »
Hijacking is when someone replies to a thread with a post that has no intention of remaining on topic and would rather side track the discussion to something else.

How a thread then gets derailed is when members respond to the hijacker's post and can even add to further side track the thread.

So how to prevent?

Be specific in your thread title and OP, and whoever is the OP needs to keep it to the original topic.
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Re: People Don't Know Internet
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2013, 05:46:17 PM »
BTW for those that didn't understand orthonorm's SNR usage (signal to noise ratio), it means that offtopic banter and spam is considered to be noise whereas proper discussion is signal.

His point is that there is no signal lately but almost pure noise. We should be encouraging each other on creating better forum content than engaging in those that would rather contribute to noise. Of course there are times when noise can be good.

I know from the mouth of a hypocrite, but just saying.
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Re: People Don't Know Internet
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2013, 05:48:50 PM »
Hijacking is when someone replies to a thread with a post that has no intention of remaining on topic and would rather side track the discussion to something else.

How a thread then gets derailed is when members respond to the hijacker's post and can even add to further side track the thread.

So how to prevent?

Be specific in your thread title and OP, and whoever is the OP needs to keep it to the original topic.

I would suggest to hijack speaks to a larger pattern in a poster's behavior. Repeatedly posting in multiple threads with rather diverse topics always attempting to steer the discussion to the often volatile pet topic of their own.

Posting without the intent of being "on topic" has always been good internetz. Anyone who has weathered overly modded groups and boardz, knows that the attempt to end all "off topic" discussion is the kiss of death for that group or board.

Good internet practice when a thread derails, goes off topic without any malintent, is to separate the threads.

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Re: People Don't Know Internet
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2013, 05:54:15 PM »
Hijacking is when someone replies to a thread with a post that has no intention of remaining on topic and would rather side track the discussion to something else.

How a thread then gets derailed is when members respond to the hijacker's post and can even add to further side track the thread.

So how to prevent?

Be specific in your thread title and OP, and whoever is the OP needs to keep it to the original topic.

I would suggest to hijack speaks to a larger pattern in a poster's behavior. Repeatedly posting in multiple threads with rather diverse topics always attempting to steer the discussion to the often volatile pet topic of their own.

Posting without the intent of being "on topic" has always been good internetz. Anyone who has weathered overly modded groups and boardz, knows that the attempt to end all "off topic" discussion is the kiss of death for that group or board.

Good internet practice when a thread derails, goes off topic without any malintent, is to separate the threads.

Man, I was a great mod. Really, nothing but love for my touch.
Which I've thought this boards has done a good job about.

I like your definition better than mine. Obviously a thread will go into different directions, it happens.
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Re: People Don't Know Internet
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2013, 05:57:17 PM »
Sometimes hijacking is hard to spot cause the pet topic of the hijacker can be so broad as to arguably be nearly always on topic.

One could hijack many threads in the Faith Issues section by playing the Problem of Evil Card.

It could genuinely be a problem that poster really struggles with or it could be a way of hijacking. Here is where a decade or so experience of board and group usage becomes helpful.

So hijacking can't be a one time only event. It doesn't even necessarily be wildly off topic. Again, it is a pattern of behavior by a single poster who seems intent of boiling nearly any thread down to a single topic.

One could argue this has been going since at least Socrates and some topics truly do emerge in nearly any thread once they get serious and formal enough. Eventually, whether you like it or not, ontology will rear its head.

Again, the community and moderators are the best judges of whether or not something is hijacking but only first if they know what hijacking is.
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Re: People Don't Know Internet
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2013, 05:57:48 PM »
orthonorm explain "varsity internetz" please.

I want to be clear in how you are using it.
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Re: People Don't Know Internet
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2013, 05:58:54 PM »
Hijacking a board or group is something different than hijacking a thread.
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2013, 06:44:41 PM »
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Re: People Don't Know Internet
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2013, 06:47:59 PM »
The best Internet discussion board is one that allows random discussion on any topic. And when people are interested
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Re: People Don't Know Internet
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2013, 06:58:31 PM »
Orthonorm, my master. You would be a great mod. Can I exchange my place with you?

Uh-oh.

Honestly, I've been really amused by the recent bickering on the forum. It is a lot better than the type of religious discussion that goes on.

Maybe I can do something about that. Until then, I hope the bickering is allowed to continue.

It is no coincidence that the brightest posters here start the fewest threads.

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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2013, 07:46:26 PM »
Orthonorm, my master. You would be a great mod. Can I exchange my place with you?
Do it. I like you Mike, but yeah please make this happen though.

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Re: People Don't Know Internet
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2013, 08:07:14 PM »
If you need examples feel free to borrow from my posting history  ;)
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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2013, 08:16:39 PM »
The best Internet discussion board is one that allows random discussion on any topic. And when people are interested

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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2013, 08:19:50 PM »
Hijacking a board or group is something different than hijacking a thread.

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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2013, 08:27:52 PM »
Hijacking a board or group is something different than hijacking a thread.

All your board are belong to us.
An example of varsity internetz, orthonorm?
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Re: People Don't Know Internet
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2013, 06:54:06 PM »
The best Internet discussion board is one that allows random discussion on any topic. And when people are interested

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It is the claws that makes the toes interesting.
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Re: People Don't Know Internet
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2013, 07:14:05 PM »
The best Internet discussion board is one that allows random discussion on any topic. And when people are interested

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It is the claws that makes the toes interesting.
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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2013, 07:44:53 PM »
Why are cats such a popular thing on the internet?

Yeah I've seen some funny pictures of them, but don't understand the obsession.

I still love the who's awesome dog:

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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2013, 07:47:45 PM »
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Re: People Don't Know Internet
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2013, 07:48:39 PM »
Are most obsessive internetz people cat people?  That would explain it.  Myself, I am a 99% dog person.  I can tolerate kittens.  I have only owned one cat and it was like a dog.
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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2013, 07:55:25 PM »
Dogs have uninteresting toes. :P
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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2013, 07:57:51 PM »
Dogs have uninteresting toes. :P

But, generally, better personalities.
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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2013, 08:35:58 PM »
Dogs have uninteresting toes. :P

But, generally, better personalities.

Never hear about house cats mauling people.
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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2013, 08:39:25 PM »
Dogs have uninteresting toes. :P

But, generally, better personalities.

Never hear about house cats mauling people.

Never saw a cat bred for cat- or bull-fighting. ::)  Either way, if hungry enough, a dog or a cat will eat its owner's remains.  Loyalty out the window. :'( :laugh:
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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2013, 02:36:29 AM »
Dogs have uninteresting toes. :P

But, generally, better personalities.

Never hear about house cats mauling people.

Never saw a cat bred for cat- or bull-fighting. ::)  Either way, if hungry enough, a dog or a cat will eat its owner's remains.  Loyalty out the window. :'( :laugh:

What came to mind later is that some people would argue that they prefer cats behavior, personality type, to dogs in general. Some people are weird that way. ::)
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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2013, 03:32:41 AM »
Dogs have uninteresting toes. :P
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« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2013, 12:54:33 PM »
I am a cat person. Go, ban yourself, dog people.

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« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2013, 12:55:34 PM »
I am a cat person. Go, ban yourself, dog people.

Okay.  :D
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« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2013, 01:04:36 PM »
.....probably no surprise here...we've always had, and still have, dogs and a cat......

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« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2013, 02:03:33 PM »
I am a cat person. Go, ban yourself, dog people.
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« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2013, 03:57:21 PM »
We recently adopted an 8 to 12-week-old kitten the children found in a stack of hay. It has been my first positive cat experience.
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« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2013, 04:30:36 PM »
The cats you find
Are the best kind. 

My family adopted a random street-walking cat, and it was the awesomest. 

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« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2013, 05:04:32 PM »
Nope. Not agreeing with that in the slightest. My then-stepmother found a tiny kitten in a box behind the grocery store circa 1990 and brought it home because, well, you can't just leave a tiny kitten out in the elements to die. She already had one cat, but y'know. At the time, the new arrival was so freaked out and skittish that nobody could really approach it without it screaming and clawing at you. We figured it was shell-shocked so when it retreated under the bed in the master bedroom and refused to come out, nobody forced the issue. My stepmother put out a dish of food and bowl of water and let it be.

Fast forward 8 years later and the darn thing was still under the bed, and only came out like a ninja assassin skulking through enemy territory to eat its food and drink its water, and scratch and hiss at the other cats (there were 2 more by that point) if they got too close while it was eating. Oh, and occasionally it would attack your feet if you got too close to the fringe of the bedspread and it felt threatened. Maybe this kind of behavior is at least sort of cute when they're kittens and small, but by the second year after its rescue we had all simply written it off as crazy and irreparably broken. Rather than taking it with her when they divorced, my stepmother turned it over to a shelter because it was too much to handle.

Sometimes found cats (or dogs) were lost for a reason, as sad as that is.

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« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2013, 05:13:35 PM »
That's sad. 

My cat was not a kitten when we adopted it, and he was definitely "lost on purpose".  But he was an absolute delight, we never had any problems with him (not even allergies, though other cats do bother us).  He died on the day after Christmas in 2001.  I miss him still.     
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« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2013, 05:28:19 PM »
Is this derailing?^^

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« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2013, 05:32:47 PM »
No, it's persecution of non-Chalcedonians. 

Sure, the Chalcedonians can talk about cats and dogs all they want, but when those uppity Miaphysites dare to have an opinion, it needs to be stopped by any means necessary (e.g., accusations of thread derailment). 
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« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2013, 05:41:29 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2013, 06:39:38 PM »
No, it's persecution of non-Chalcedonians. 

Sure, the Chalcedonians can talk about cats and dogs all they want, but when those uppity Miaphysites dare to have an opinion, it needs to be stopped by any means necessary (e.g., accusations of thread derailment). 

I was going to suggest this, but I don't really have a dog in this fight.
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« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2013, 06:54:47 PM »
I don't really have a dog in this fight.

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« Reply #40 on: October 20, 2013, 08:19:04 PM »
As a further derail and from a cat aficionado, it is important to understand that a cat that is not exposed to humans within the first 6 weeks of it's life will almost never become a suitable house cat and they maintain their feral instincts throughout there entire life.  Interestingly, kittens who are bottle fed also end up being feral because kittens need the discipline from their mothers to learn social behavior as it is not instinctual.

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« Reply #41 on: October 20, 2013, 08:38:14 PM »
Nope. Not agreeing with that in the slightest. My then-stepmother found a tiny kitten in a box behind the grocery store circa 1990 and brought it home because, well, you can't just leave a tiny kitten out in the elements to die. She already had one cat, but y'know. At the time, the new arrival was so freaked out and skittish that nobody could really approach it without it screaming and clawing at you. We figured it was shell-shocked so when it retreated under the bed in the master bedroom and refused to come out, nobody forced the issue. My stepmother put out a dish of food and bowl of water and let it be.

Fast forward 8 years later and the darn thing was still under the bed, and only came out like a ninja assassin skulking through enemy territory to eat its food and drink its water, and scratch and hiss at the other cats (there were 2 more by that point) if they got too close while it was eating. Oh, and occasionally it would attack your feet if you got too close to the fringe of the bedspread and it felt threatened. Maybe this kind of behavior is at least sort of cute when they're kittens and small, but by the second year after its rescue we had all simply written it off as crazy and irreparably broken. Rather than taking it with her when they divorced, my stepmother turned it over to a shelter because it was too much to handle.

Sometimes found cats (or dogs) were lost for a reason, as sad as that is.

We got a kitten and it did the same thing at first, only she used my dresser to hide under, however later she came out and played with me on the bed, she was not afraid of humans, but all her life she showed paranoid tendencies , she would sit on your lap and be normal, but she always showed behavior that seemed to me that she had a mental issue, and it lasted all her life. Later we got another cat and she was friendly with it after a while, but she was never normal as far as most cats.
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« Reply #42 on: October 20, 2013, 09:37:25 PM »
.....probably no surprise here...we've always had, and still have, dogs and a cat......

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« Reply #43 on: October 20, 2013, 09:44:13 PM »
.....probably no surprise here...we've always had, and still have, dogs and a cat......

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« Reply #44 on: October 20, 2013, 09:46:02 PM »
.....probably no surprise here...we've always had, and still have, dogs and a cat......

"Cats and dogs, living together...", Bill Murray, Ghost Busters

Vigo the Carpathian - hero and protector of Rusyns, Lemkos and Romanians. Hungarians? Not so much....

ROFL!  :D :D :D
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