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the prison thread
« on: October 18, 2013, 03:13:59 PM »
I wanted to open up discussion on the nature of prisons and their current state. I'm on the phone right now but ill throw up something more concrete.

I feel that our prisons are in need of much reform. Maybe even the idea of punishing we need to address first. Who decides someone gets x number of years anyway.

Supposedly prison rape in the States has gone down since they passed that law, but I don't know.

Anyone have any experience being in prison?

I wouldn't be able to handle it if I had to go.
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Re: the prison thread
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2013, 03:15:46 PM »
Who decides someone gets x number of years anyway.

The state.
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Re: the prison thread
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2013, 03:19:14 PM »
Who decides someone gets x number of years anyway.

The state.
But who decides that say tax evasion is 8 years and whatever crime.

It just seems wholly arbitrary to me.

Judges have to be the worst people. I think judges will be judged much more harshly by Christ on the Last Judgement.
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Re: the prison thread
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2013, 03:21:02 PM »
There was a thread all about this in "Politics", IIRC.  Which is not to say it can't be discussed again here.  I've never been to prison.  The closest I ever got was driving by some.  

Was going to be part of a prison ministry in the Orthodox parish I had been a member of, but it never came to fruition.  Oh well....

Marc has experience in prison, but not as a prisoner I'm pretty sure.

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Re: the prison thread
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2013, 03:23:36 PM »
Who decides someone gets x number of years anyway.

The state.
But who decides that say tax evasion is 8 years and whatever crime.

It just seems wholly arbitrary to me.

Judges have to be the worst people. I think judges will be judged much more harshly by Christ on the Last Judgement.

Again, the state.  Some crimes in some states carry mandatory sentences.  Other laws don't but have sentencing guidelines applied by juries and/or judges. 

Did you want to discuss prisons or the pre-prison experience?
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Re: the prison thread
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2013, 03:25:21 PM »
Who decides someone gets x number of years anyway.

The state.
But who decides that say tax evasion is 8 years and whatever crime.

It just seems wholly arbitrary to me.

Judges have to be the worst people. I think judges will be judged much more harshly by Christ on the Last Judgement.
They're so judgmental...
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Re: the prison thread
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2013, 03:28:51 PM »
Who decides someone gets x number of years anyway.

The state.
But who decides that say tax evasion is 8 years and whatever crime.

It just seems wholly arbitrary to me.

Judges have to be the worst people. I think judges will be judged much more harshly by Christ on the Last Judgement.

In America is is the legislature that judges from state house.

Anyway, I've wasted too much time here today. We'll talk about this seriously another and not here.
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Re: the prison thread
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2013, 04:11:01 PM »
Having spent more days in the court system as an observer than I care to recount, I hate, hate, hate mandatory minimum sentences. Some/most of those sentences were passed by legislators to express displeasure with the class most likely to commit the crimes associated with them, while others were the result of a local need to keep prisons full.

Of course, there are ways around such things. One local judge will give a 20-year sentence and suspend all but one day of it upon the payment of a nominal fine. It still goes on the book as a 20-year sentence, but for many offenders credit for time served bounces them free that day. (Most crack offenders can't afford the bond and sit in jail for months awaiting trial or an opportunity to plead out.) The judge usually does this for lesser drug offenses.

If we're talking about jail/prison conditions themselves, of the three prisons/county lockups I've been in (again, as an observer), two were on exhibit especially because the people who run them think they border on the side of endangerment.
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Re: the prison thread
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2013, 07:58:49 PM »
I wanted to open up discussion on the nature of prisons and their current state. I'm on the phone right now but ill throw up something more concrete.

I feel that our prisons are in need of much reform. Maybe even the idea of punishing we need to address first. Who decides someone gets x number of years anyway.

Supposedly prison rape in the States has gone down since they passed that law, but I don't know.

Anyone have any experience being in prison?

I wouldn't be able to handle it if I had to go.

I taught a class at Jessup State Prison ( "The Cut" ) for two years. The guards were scarier than the prisoners.
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Re: the prison thread
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2013, 08:18:45 PM »
I wanted to open up discussion on the nature of prisons and their current state. I'm on the phone right now but ill throw up something more concrete.

I feel that our prisons are in need of much reform. Maybe even the idea of punishing we need to address first. Who decides someone gets x number of years anyway.

Supposedly prison rape in the States has gone down since they passed that law, but I don't know.

Anyone have any experience being in prison?

I wouldn't be able to handle it if I had to go.

I taught a class at Jessup State Prison ( "The Cut" ) for two years. The guards were scarier than the prisoners.
So did that really affect the behavior of the inmates?
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Re: the prison thread
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2013, 08:30:24 PM »
The only thing I know about prisons is how inmates work out.
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Re: the prison thread
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2013, 10:19:24 PM »
The only thing I know about prisons is how inmates work out.

That prison workout stuff is hilarious.  It makes me want to vomit.
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Re: the prison thread
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2013, 10:24:15 PM »
The only thing I know about prisons is how inmates work out.

That prison workout stuff is hilarious.  It makes me want to vomit.

Why? It uses the same techniques as a lot of athletes. Military and police pretty much train exclusively using bodyweight and calisthenics.
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Re: the prison thread
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2013, 11:42:25 AM »
If you know the local laws and follow them then you won't get in trouble + sent to jail.

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Re: the prison thread
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2013, 01:45:54 PM »
If you know the local laws and follow them then you won't get in trouble + sent to jail.

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Re: the prison thread
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2013, 02:42:25 PM »
If you know the local laws and follow them then you won't get in trouble + sent to jail.

Which movie is this from?

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Re: the prison thread
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2013, 02:40:07 PM »
I got arrested once but I wasn't taken to prison or jail. They checked me into some home for troubled yuoth for the night. My dad went to prison once.

Anyhow, I think the ultimate problem with our prison system is overcrowding. Simply put, 90% of the people in prison don't really belong there. You can blame the "War on Drugs" for that. Many of these people who are nothing other than harmless drug users are coming out of prison worse than when they went in. A drug addict doesn't belong in the same environment as a convicted rapist, murderer, or robber.

End this ridiculous War on Drugs and then maybe we can begin some prison reforms.
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