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« on: March 08, 2014, 02:41:54 AM »

These photos are used on the main page of Catholicmatch.com:Photo 1 and Photo 2

The mystery is where this beautiful church is located and to which jurisdiction does it belong.

Ukrainian Catholic? Ukrainian Orthodox? Russian Orthodox?
Looks like Saint Vladimir is depicted on the wall and it may be St. Job of Pochaev on the iconostasis. If so, that may narrow down the search.

I sent an email for more info about the church used in their advertising. This was their response:
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This church photo is a stock photo that we used, and we do not know where it came from.   We purchased the rights to use the photo because of it's architectural beauty.    We're not sure whether the church is Byzantine or Eastern Orthodox.     We do not know the location or name of the church.

I doubt that it is an actual wedding that is taking place. It looks more to me like just a photo shoot.

Any assistance to solving this mystery will be greatly appreciated.
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2014, 03:26:04 AM »

this will be a toufy

especially since you cannot see the names of any particular saints who might be in one or the other!
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2014, 07:31:20 AM »

My vote is that it's Orthodox.  I've been in many Byzantine and Ukrainian Catholic Churches and I've never seen one so ornate.  You might look up Byzantine Churches in cities like Pittsburgh and see if their websites highlight such a beautiful interior.
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2014, 07:48:08 AM »

I don't think its possible to tell.   I have seen both Greek Catholic and Orthodox parishes this ornate. 
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2014, 07:53:21 AM »

I suspect Catholic, on the strength of that stained glass window, the like of which I've never seen in an Orthodox church. But just because I haven't seen one doesn't necessarily mean there aren't any, so I may be wrong.
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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2014, 10:06:38 AM »

who has the icons we kiss so close to the couple?

Greeks have these icons near the door and you kiss them when you enter into the church except some special days  where you can find only 1 icon there

maybe it's a key to find what church is
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2014, 10:12:20 AM »

who has the icons we kiss so close to the couple?

Greeks have these icons near the door and you kiss them when you enter into the church except some special days  where you can find only 1 icon there

maybe it's a key to find what church is
In Slavic tradition, that is where the icons are located in the church.
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2014, 10:14:58 AM »

Impossible to tell with the info/pics given.
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2014, 10:32:43 AM »

These photos are used on the main page of Catholicmatch.com:Photo 1 and Photo 2

The mystery is where this beautiful church is located and to which jurisdiction does it belong.

Ukrainian Catholic? Ukrainian Orthodox? Russian Orthodox?
Looks like Saint Vladimir is depicted on the wall and it may be St. Job of Pochaev on the iconostasis. If so, that may narrow down the search.

I sent an email for more info about the church used in their advertising. This was their response:
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This church photo is a stock photo that we used, and we do not know where it came from.   We purchased the rights to use the photo because of it's architectural beauty.    We're not sure whether the church is Byzantine or Eastern Orthodox.     We do not know the location or name of the church.

I doubt that it is an actual wedding that is taking place. It looks more to me like just a photo shoot.

Any assistance to solving this mystery will be greatly appreciated.
It would be ironic if an Orthodox Church image were used on a Catholic dating site.
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2014, 11:16:29 AM »

More important....tell us all why you are hanging out at CatholicMatch?Wink

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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2014, 11:19:05 AM »

More important....tell us all why you are hanging out at CatholicMatch?Wink

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He's Greek Catholic, perhaps?
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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2014, 11:20:41 AM »

More important....tell us all why you are hanging out at CatholicMatch?Wink

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He's Greek Catholic, perhaps?

since it says he is Catholic, I had that much...

I meant...'Tell us all your dating woes, your one......'

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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2014, 11:43:28 AM »

The only thing that makes me wonder are the icons on the stands. Usually Greek Catholics and Orthodoc of the Ukrainian persuasion only have the festal icon on the tetrapod not Jesus n Mary icons on stands. The rail looks like its an old country photo. I don't know if Greek Catholics actually do use the stands in old country. Seriously, it's so hard to tell.
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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2014, 11:45:58 AM »

who has the icons we kiss so close to the couple?

Greeks have these icons near the door and you kiss them when you enter into the church except some special days  where you can find only 1 icon there

maybe it's a key to find what church is
In Slavic tradition, that is where the icons are located in the church.

Really? I know my Antiochian parish always had them to the front like this, including one brought out to venerate right before communion, but the OCA church I'm at only has them near the door. The rest of its traditions/customs seem to be Slavic. I just assumed it was a general Byzantine thing.
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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2014, 11:48:57 AM »

The only thing that makes me wonder are the icons on the stands. Usually Greek Catholics and Orthodoc of the Ukrainian persuasion only have the festal icon on the tetrapod not Jesus n Mary icons on stands. The rail looks like its an old country photo. I don't know if Greek Catholics actually do use the stands in old country. Seriously, it's so hard to tell.

We have Jesus and Mary on stands beside the tetrapod in our parish.

This photo, however, was not taken in our parish.  Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2014, 11:50:27 AM »

who has the icons we kiss so close to the couple?

Greeks have these icons near the door and you kiss them when you enter into the church except some special days  where you can find only 1 icon there

maybe it's a key to find what church is
In Slavic tradition, that is where the icons are located in the church.

Really? I know my Antiochian parish always had them to the front like this, including one brought out to venerate right before communion, but the OCA church I'm at only has them near the door. The rest of its traditions/customs seem to be Slavic. I just assumed it was a general Byzantine thing.

Every Ukrainian parish I've visited has the festal icon or patronal icon on the tetrapod.  When you come in to church, you first go to the tetrapod, venerate the icon, and there are usually candle stands on either side to place your candles.
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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2014, 12:15:30 PM »

Really? I know my Antiochian parish always had them to the front like this, including one brought out to venerate right before communion, but the OCA church I'm at only has them near the door. The rest of its traditions/customs seem to be Slavic. I just assumed it was a general Byzantine thing.

Every Ukrainian parish I've visited has the festal icon or patronal icon on the tetrapod.  When you come in to church, you first go to the tetrapod, venerate the icon, and there are usually candle stands on either side to place your candles.

Interesting. Sadly, there aren't any Ukrainian parishes even remotely close to me. When I think about it, at my Antiochian parish, the patronal icon was actually out in the narthex, whereas we would have either a festal icon or an icon of Jesus/Mary on a stand to the side.

Like this:


And there are a couple smaller stands further to the sides and closer to the iconostasis, one of Mary and one of Jesus:

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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2014, 12:39:37 PM »

More important....tell us all why you are hanging out at CatholicMatch?Wink

We are good listeners...we promise!

Hahaha!  Cheesy  I have no need for CatholicMatch.  

It's an advertisement that sometimes is displayed on Catholic blogs and sites. So when the image of a couple getting married in a Byzantine church showed up, it caught my attention.

I love a good mystery and I certainly would like to know where this church is.
I would have thought that a church as beautiful as this would have other photos of its interior on-line. So far, I have not been able to discover any.
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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2014, 12:53:47 PM »

These photos are used on the main page of Catholicmatch.com:Photo 1 and Photo 2

See this page for more photos and the name of the copyright owner (who lists her residence as being Russia, fwiw).
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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2014, 01:15:19 PM »

I will ask her
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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2014, 01:18:32 PM »

who has the icons we kiss so close to the couple?

Greeks have these icons near the door and you kiss them when you enter into the church except some special days  where you can find only 1 icon there

maybe it's a key to find what church is
In Slavic tradition, that is where the icons are located in the church.

Really? I know my Antiochian parish always had them to the front like this, including one brought out to venerate right before communion, but the OCA church I'm at only has them near the door. The rest of its traditions/customs seem to be Slavic. I just assumed it was a general Byzantine thing.

Every Ukrainian parish I've visited has the festal icon or patronal icon on the tetrapod.  When you come in to church, you first go to the tetrapod, venerate the icon, and there are usually candle stands on either side to place your candles.
Exactly, which is why this is a Russian church.
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2014, 02:11:44 PM »

These photos are used on the main page of Catholicmatch.com:Photo 1 and Photo 2

See this page for more photos and the name of the copyright owner (who lists her residence as being Russia, fwiw).

that will be very helpful i think







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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2014, 02:19:37 PM »

Really? I know my Antiochian parish always had them to the front like this, including one brought out to venerate right before communion, but the OCA church I'm at only has them near the door. The rest of its traditions/customs seem to be Slavic. I just assumed it was a general Byzantine thing.

Every Ukrainian parish I've visited has the festal icon or patronal icon on the tetrapod.  When you come in to church, you first go to the tetrapod, venerate the icon, and there are usually candle stands on either side to place your candles.

Interesting. Sadly, there aren't any Ukrainian parishes even remotely close to me. When I think about it, at my Antiochian parish, the patronal icon was actually out in the narthex, whereas we would have either a festal icon or an icon of Jesus/Mary on a stand to the side.

Like this:


And there are a couple smaller stands further to the sides and closer to the iconostasis, one of Mary and one of Jesus:


I recognize almost all the clergy/monastics in that photo... You must live near "almost heaven"? Wink

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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2014, 03:10:32 PM »

I recognize almost all the clergy/monastics in that photo... You must live near "almost heaven"? Wink

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Is "almost heaven" some sort of joke about West Virginia? Tongue

I lived in Ohio, not WV, but close enough that I did attend the parish in the pictures.
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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2014, 03:42:02 PM »

I recognize almost all the clergy/monastics in that photo... You must live near "almost heaven"? Wink

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Is "almost heaven" some sort of joke about West Virginia? Tongue

I lived in Ohio, not WV, but close enough that I did attend the parish in the pictures.
Awesome! It was a reference to WV and also to Holy Cross monastery. Beautiful area. Do you all still live there?

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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2014, 04:04:08 PM »

Has to be Russian Orthodox
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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2014, 04:52:48 PM »

See this page for more photos and the name of the copyright owner (who lists her residence as being Russia, fwiw).

Wow!! Awesome! Fantastic! Bravo!  Smiley

Asteriktos, you just made my day! Grin

The photographer is listed as Ms. Tatiana Morozova, who is located in Moscow. Her website is: http://www.tm-art.ru/

I will ask her

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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2014, 05:18:12 PM »

Apparently those 333+ days are NOT a waste, Asteriktos  Cheesy
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« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2014, 01:20:09 AM »



Church of the Transfiguration, Lviv, Ukraine.

Divine Liturgy at the 17th-century church of St. Michael the Archangel in Lviv, Ukraine.

Around Pittsburgh there are some eastern catholic churches that "might" pass for the "russian" one in the photo.
Here are pictures of three Ukrainian Catholic Churches in Ukraine. The first one has some similarities to the "russian" church in the wedding ad. The other two are more latinized.  Anything is possible... I havent fine tuned enough details to know whats what. However, the fact that the deacon or is it priest is wearing a red kamilavka with those particular vestments that strikes me as a sign that it is probably an orthodox church in russia.

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« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2014, 11:10:58 AM »

^ Those are rather similar to Russian Orthodox popular style of the 18th and 19th centuries for sure! Same styles hold true for Greek Catholic churches of the same era in Slovakia, Romania, Poland and Hungary of that era and those built by immigrants from there in North America in that era. (Both Orthodox and Greek Catholic.)
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