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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #720 on: January 22, 2014, 07:10:55 PM »

A rose by the same name smells just as sweet. (Sorry Shakespeare!) But honestly if the Arabic word "Allah" is used by Arabic speaking Christians for the Christian God, how in the hell can they be thinking the same Allah as Muslims?


The Bible does not allow this as it overtly violates the first of the Ten Commandments.

 :laugh: Yeah, I regret it.

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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #721 on: January 22, 2014, 07:11:34 PM »

A rose by the same name smells just as sweet. (Sorry Shakespeare!) But honestly if the Arabic word "Allah" is used by Arabic speaking Christians for the Christian God, how in the hell can they be thinking the same Allah as Muslims?


The Bible does not allow this as it overtly violates the first of the Ten Commandments.

 :laugh: Yeah, I regret it.

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If only I would listen!  :laugh:
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #722 on: January 22, 2014, 07:14:56 PM »
So Theo, what word would you suggest Arabs use? A non-Arabic word?

PP

I have already made my suggestion, but let me repeat.  ;)

Instead of Allah, they must use ILAH alone.
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No one is asking you to do that. Follow the Bible and stop worshipping the false god of Arabia. Turn your hearts to Yahwe, the only true God of the universe. Do not let your Arab nationalism make you follow a false deity. This was tried by Muhammad.  ::)

Allah = false god
Muhammad = false prophet
Qur'an = false scripture
Allah=the God.

Btw, what about worshiping the father of Baal?
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #723 on: January 22, 2014, 07:16:53 PM »

A rose by the same name smells just as sweet. (Sorry Shakespeare!) But honestly if the Arabic word "Allah" is used by Arabic speaking Christians for the Christian God, how in the hell can they be thinking the same Allah as Muslims?

I'm going to regret this, aren't I?  :laugh:

They're not in anyone but Theophilos' mind. I remember a while back I had a conversation with a Coptic friend who was railing against Arabic, and how much he hated it and he hated his forefathers for giving up and learning it, so that he now has to speak it as a native language. I pointed to the Agpeya/Horologion on his desk, which was in Arabic, and he said he prayed from it every day. Then I asked him if he read the Bible in Arabic, and he said of course. Then I asked him how he could hate Arabic when it was through Arabic that he prayed to God, and that he studied and embraced and loved God's word? He thought about it for a second and apologized for not thinking it through before becoming upset.

Other than giving appropriate responses during the liturgy, I do not pray in Arabic despite attending an Arabic speaking church (which does ~75 to 80% of its liturgy in English...), but it would be ludicrous for me or anyone to cast aspersions upon the Christianity of those who do. That kind of bigoted, xenophobic, borderline racist nonsense has nothing in common with the true Orthodox faith of God, in which there is neither Jew nor Greek (and, I would say, neither Arab nor Ajam).

Btw, the Coptic is exactly like the Arabic on this:Ph'noudi "the God."  Banoudi "my God."
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #724 on: January 22, 2014, 07:18:39 PM »

Btw, what about worshiping the father of Baal?

I do not worship El, but Yahwe, the Father of Yeshua.  ;)

The difference between us

What do you worship?
Theophilos: God
Arab Christians: Ilah

Who do you worship?
Theophilos: Yahwe
Arab Christians: Allah
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #725 on: January 22, 2014, 07:52:37 PM »
Theophilus, let me ask this: When we speak of God, we speak of the Holy Trinity. When Jews speak of God, they speak of the same God, but without full understanding that the Messiah came and the existence of the Trinity. So when muslims speak of God, who do they speak of? (in reality, not who they think it is) Is it the Devil, or is it nothing or is it God(The true God: the Trinity), but just with a way off, wrong theology.
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #726 on: January 22, 2014, 08:15:49 PM »

Btw, what about worshiping the father of Baal?

I do not worship El, but Yahwe, the Father of Yeshua.  ;)

The difference between us

What do you worship?
Theophilos: God
Arab Christians: Ilah

Who do you worship?
Theophilos: Yahwe
Arab Christians: Allah

No Arab Christian worships "ilah," which is "god" (no capital).
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #727 on: January 22, 2014, 08:16:58 PM »

Btw, what about worshiping the father of Baal?

I do not worship El, but Yahwe, the Father of Yeshua.  ;)

The difference between us

What do you worship?
Theophilos: God
Arab Christians: Ilah

Who do you worship?
Theophilos: Yahwe
Arab Christians: Allah

No Arab Christian worships "ilah," which is "god" (no capital).

That means no Arab Christian worships Allah either as Allah is also an ilah.  ;)
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #728 on: January 22, 2014, 08:17:40 PM »
Theophilus, let me ask this: When we speak of God, we speak of the Holy Trinity. When Jews speak of God, they speak of the same God, but without full understanding that the Messiah came and the existence of the Trinity. So when muslims speak of God, who do they speak of? (in reality, not who they think it is) Is it the Devil, or is it nothing or is it God(The true God: the Trinity), but just with a way off, wrong theology.

I think Muslims worship a false deity.
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #729 on: January 22, 2014, 08:28:28 PM »
Deities (gods) don't exist though. In my understanding, there is Worship of God(Trinity), devil worship(directly and indirectly through material things, concept of mammon, and fake gods that are the devil), and then there's being outright wrong. So then I believe either Muslims worship our God, the True God incorrectly, or they were tricked completely and worship the devil. Whats your take if we eliminate "deities".
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #730 on: January 22, 2014, 08:29:58 PM »
Deities (gods) don't exist though. In my understanding, there is Worship of God(Trinity), devil worship(directly and indirectly through material things, concept of mammon, and fake gods that are the devil), and then there's being outright wrong. So then I believe either Muslims worship our God, the True God incorrectly, or they were tricked completely and worship the devil. Whats your take if we eliminate "deities".

Idols/demons  ;)
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #731 on: January 22, 2014, 08:36:54 PM »
Theophilus, you've answered this before I think but please answer it again, Are you part of The Orthodox church? Do you go to church, believe in the Creed, Receive the 7 Sacrament?
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #732 on: January 22, 2014, 08:37:34 PM »
*popcorn*

cheers!  ;D

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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #733 on: January 22, 2014, 08:45:06 PM »
Theophilus, you've answered this before I think but please answer it again, Are you part of The Orthodox church? Do you go to church, believe in the Creed, Receive the 7 Sacrament?

I am currently a member of the Greek Orthodox Church.

May I ask why you are asking this?
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #734 on: January 22, 2014, 08:54:02 PM »
*popcorn*

cheers!  ;D

What happened to the bunny?

Bunnelby retired. Doge is working here now.

Much honor.

Bunnelby and it's evo were first decent looking rodent trash you met early in the game since Rattata and Raticate.

Ugh, no. Diggersby is awful. My Bunnelby will never evolve. I'm forming an army.

(And I might just call one Allah in Theo's honor xD )
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #735 on: January 22, 2014, 08:58:37 PM »
I was a little confused by your faith and jurisdiction thought you might be part of some strange zionist fake orthodox sect. I don't agree with your view on the word Allah but I am comforted knowing you are orthodox and not some wierd heretic. Pray for me.
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #736 on: January 23, 2014, 07:58:28 AM »
Theophilus, you've answered this before I think but please answer it again, Are you part of The Orthodox church? Do you go to church, believe in the Creed, Receive the 7 Sacrament?

I am currently a member of the Greek Orthodox Church.

May I ask why you are asking this?

That is a good question.  Do you run your ideas by your priest or bishop?  What do they say?
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #737 on: January 23, 2014, 08:23:12 AM »
Theophilus, you've answered this before I think but please answer it again, Are you part of The Orthodox church? Do you go to church, believe in the Creed, Receive the 7 Sacrament?

I am currently a member of the Greek Orthodox Church.

May I ask why you are asking this?

I was surprised by this. I thought you were a Messianic Jew. Apologies if I misunderstood.
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #738 on: January 26, 2014, 10:26:10 AM »
I was a little confused by your faith and jurisdiction thought you might be part of some strange zionist fake orthodox sect. I don't agree with your view on the word Allah but I am comforted knowing you are orthodox and not some wierd heretic. Pray for me.

I will.  :angel:
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #739 on: January 26, 2014, 10:26:40 AM »
Theophilus, you've answered this before I think but please answer it again, Are you part of The Orthodox church? Do you go to church, believe in the Creed, Receive the 7 Sacrament?

I am currently a member of the Greek Orthodox Church.

May I ask why you are asking this?

That is a good question.  Do you run your ideas by your priest or bishop?  What do they say?

They do not have to know about this, do they?  ;)
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #740 on: January 26, 2014, 10:27:16 AM »
Theophilus, you've answered this before I think but please answer it again, Are you part of The Orthodox church? Do you go to church, believe in the Creed, Receive the 7 Sacrament?

I am currently a member of the Greek Orthodox Church.

May I ask why you are asking this?

I was surprised by this. I thought you were a Messianic Jew. Apologies if I misunderstood.

No problem.  ;)
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #741 on: January 26, 2014, 10:48:23 AM »
Currently? Are you planning switching to some other church?

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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #742 on: January 26, 2014, 10:58:02 AM »
Currently? Are you planning switching to some other church?

not currently  ;D
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #743 on: January 26, 2014, 10:58:55 AM »
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #744 on: January 26, 2014, 11:15:43 AM »
Trolls are fun. Finnish mythology is filled with all kinds of elves, trolls, gods and other such furry cutes.
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #745 on: January 26, 2014, 12:10:10 PM »
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #746 on: January 26, 2014, 07:36:57 PM »
What about a troll's warning?  ::)
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #747 on: January 27, 2014, 12:25:09 AM »
Theophilus, let me ask this: When we speak of God, we speak of the Holy Trinity. When Jews speak of God, they speak of the same God, but without full understanding that the Messiah came and the existence of the Trinity. So when muslims speak of God, who do they speak of? (in reality, not who they think it is) Is it the Devil, or is it nothing or is it God(The true God: the Trinity), but just with a way off, wrong theology.

I think Muslims worship a false deity.

I used to think the same but I looked into Islam and since I 'know' their side, i must reserve Judgment incase i'm wrong. The more you know, the more responsibility you have. I cant bash them anymore. All I can say is they are extremely prone to Islamic political cults and they certainly have their share of diversity. Many.. Or most Muslims are fairly 'recent' converts in history from Idoltarers. This could have been Gods hand at work to keep The nords from accupying the middle east and ensure a seperation of peoples. Look at it that way.

I will say they are EXTREMELY monotheist and consider Chritians lost from truth and polytheism. At age 15 or something like that the teens go to circumsized to ensure that they want to be Muslim. I can attest that not all Muslims seem to follow this. They've also relaxed a lot of rules. The Quran is taken out of context just like we do. A lot of it documents war and battles. Its a much different book that aims on social reform.

They heavily, heavily stress monotheism. The Jews and Muslims both agree on this since like 600 AD the Rabbis acknowledged them as monotheistic.

They both dont see Christians this way which is our own fault and the views of very early schollars and possibly Jewish sages very, very early on trying to justify who Jesus was because of the after effects from his resorection.

Sothern Greeks and Jews have many, many similarities between them and this was recognized early on. The schollary, higher society Jews and Greeks really enjoyed one another from what I understand. And back then Kabbalah was very big. Same with concept of different dieties and parts of a single God... JUST SAYING... :)

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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #748 on: January 27, 2014, 08:37:06 AM »
Theophilus, you've answered this before I think but please answer it again, Are you part of The Orthodox church? Do you go to church, believe in the Creed, Receive the 7 Sacrament?

I am currently a member of the Greek Orthodox Church.

May I ask why you are asking this?

That is a good question.  Do you run your ideas by your priest or bishop?  What do they say?

They do not have to know about this, do they?  ;)

This thread and your sola scriptura beliefs now make much more sense.
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #749 on: January 27, 2014, 08:38:16 PM »
Theophilus, you've answered this before I think but please answer it again, Are you part of The Orthodox church? Do you go to church, believe in the Creed, Receive the 7 Sacrament?

I am currently a member of the Greek Orthodox Church.

May I ask why you are asking this?

That is a good question.  Do you run your ideas by your priest or bishop?  What do they say?

They do not have to know about this, do they?  ;)

This thread and your sola scriptura beliefs now make much more sense.

Wait, how can Thwo be Orthodox and Sola Scriptura?

And someone should figure out who his/her priest or bishop is and call them. For a laugh  :laugh:
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #750 on: January 27, 2014, 08:48:00 PM »

And someone should figure out who his priest or bishop is and call them. For a laugh  :laugh:

You are free to call His Eminence Elpidoforos Lambriniadis, Mitropolitis Prousis.  ;)
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #751 on: January 27, 2014, 09:05:07 PM »

And someone should figure out who his priest or bishop is and call them. For a laugh  :laugh:

You are free to call His Eminence Elpidoforos Lambriniadis, Mitropolitis Prousis.  ;)

I was only joking. I wouldn't do that :p
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #752 on: January 27, 2014, 09:52:21 PM »

And someone should figure out who his priest or bishop is and call them. For a laugh  :laugh:

You are free to call His Eminence Elpidoforos Lambriniadis, Mitropolitis Prousis.  ;)
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #753 on: January 28, 2014, 09:30:20 AM »

And someone should figure out who his priest or bishop is and call them. For a laugh  :laugh:

You are free to call His Eminence Elpidoforos Lambriniadis, Mitropolitis Prousis.  ;)
How is he the Metropolitan of Smyrna?
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« Reply #754 on: January 28, 2014, 10:02:50 AM »

And someone should figure out who his priest or bishop is and call them. For a laugh  :laugh:

You are free to call His Eminence Elpidoforos Lambriniadis, Mitropolitis Prousis.  ;)
How is he the Metropolitan of Smyrna?
Smyrna has no metropolitan yet!  ;)
Still, how does HE fill in?
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #755 on: January 28, 2014, 10:13:06 AM »

Still, how does HE fill in?

He does not! He is someone you can call to get info about me. That's all.  ::)
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #756 on: January 28, 2014, 03:29:11 PM »
Trolls are fun. Finnish mythology is filled with all kinds of elves, trolls, gods and other such furry cutes.

Finntroll is the #1 band addressing troll issues today.
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #757 on: January 28, 2014, 08:39:41 PM »
Trolls are fun. Finnish mythology is filled with all kinds of elves, trolls, gods and other such furry cutes.

Finntroll is the #1 band addressing troll issues today.

Litvintroll is not bad too:
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Re: Good news: No Allah for Christians!
« Reply #758 on: May 11, 2014, 05:02:23 PM »
Say to Allah worshippers: I do not worship that you worship (Allah) and you do not worship that I worship (YHWH). I shall never worship your false ilah (Allah), and you will never worship my true God. Your false ilah to you, my true God to me.

I hope you're not attempting to  pronounce יהוה  in real life, rather Adonai (אֲדֹנָי["my lords" incidentally]).  Otherwise, you are taking His name in vain. 


I pronounce the sacred name as often as I can, particularly in prayer. What is wrong with obeying a divine commandment?

Oh, how do you pronounce it?

YAHWEH
In Sanskrit, "yahvah" means "swift; strong"; and the Sanskrit "yahu" means "strong; mighty".
If you will, you can become all flame.
Extra caritatem nulla salus.
In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness".
सर्वभूतहित
Ἄνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας
"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas Gandhi
Y dduw bo'r diolch.