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NYT - U.S. Accuses 2 Rabbis of Kidnapping Husbands for a Fee
« on: October 13, 2013, 01:11:19 PM »
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While it’s common for rabbis to take action against defiant husbands, such as barring them from synagogue life, Rabbi Epstein, 68, took matters much further, according to the authorities.

For hefty fees, he orchestrated the kidnapping and torture of reluctant husbands, charging their wives as much as $10,000 for a rabbinical decree permitting violence and $50,000 to hire others to carry out the deed, according to federal charges unsealed on Thursday morning.

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In court, the lead prosecutor in the case, R. Joseph Gribko, explained how the abductions were carried out. “They beat them up, tied them up, shocked them with Tasers and stun guns until they got what they want,” Mr. Gribko, an assistant United States attorney, said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/11/nyregion/rabbis-accused-in-kidnapping-plot-to-force-men-to-grant-divorces.html?_r=0
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Re: NYT - U.S. Accuses 2 Rabbis of Kidnapping Husbands for a Fee
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2013, 01:11:48 PM »
Brilliant, Mor.
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Re: NYT - U.S. Accuses 2 Rabbis of Kidnapping Husbands for a Fee
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2013, 01:17:13 PM »
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Re: NYT - U.S. Accuses 2 Rabbis of Kidnapping Husbands for a Fee
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2013, 01:17:28 PM »
And they're facing criminal charges, as they should. And our rabbi mentioned this in his sermon yesterday.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2013, 01:18:47 PM by Tallitot »
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Re: NYT - U.S. Accuses 2 Rabbis of Kidnapping Husbands for a Fee
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2013, 01:18:06 PM »
Are you sure it's not false?
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Re: NYT - U.S. Accuses 2 Rabbis of Kidnapping Husbands for a Fee
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2013, 01:20:57 PM »
NTMK. Seems like it would be a strange story for a reporter to make up.
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Re: NYT - U.S. Accuses 2 Rabbis of Kidnapping Husbands for a Fee
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2013, 01:27:15 PM »
How was that Christian News, Mor?
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Re: NYT - U.S. Accuses 2 Rabbis of Kidnapping Husbands for a Fee
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2013, 01:42:02 PM »
How was that Christian News, Mor?
How is what Tallitot recently posted about another pervert priest Christian News?

Well played, Mor Ephrem! ;D
« Last Edit: October 13, 2013, 01:42:41 PM by PeterTheAleut »
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Re: NYT - U.S. Accuses 2 Rabbis of Kidnapping Husbands for a Fee
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2013, 01:59:17 PM »
How was that Christian News, Mor?
How is what Tallitot recently posted about another pervert priest Christian News?

Well played, Mor Ephrem! ;D
It was about a Christian clergyman.
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Re: NYT - U.S. Accuses 2 Rabbis of Kidnapping Husbands for a Fee
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2013, 02:08:29 PM »
How was that Christian News, Mor?
How is what Tallitot recently posted about another pervert priest Christian News?

Well played, Mor Ephrem! ;D
It was about a Christian clergyman.

My take:

The stories about aberrant priests should be here as well UNLESS the story is about a cover up as in the broader RCC scenario. In either words: Clergy commits a crime or alleged to have done so, it's non religious. Bishop, church overseers cover it uo, it's Christian news. Otherwise it's piling on and not really fair.

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Re: NYT - U.S. Accuses 2 Rabbis of Kidnapping Husbands for a Fee
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2013, 02:09:59 PM »
How was that Christian News, Mor?
How is what Tallitot recently posted about another pervert priest Christian News?

Well played, Mor Ephrem! ;D
It was about a Christian clergyman.
It was a polemical rag against Christian clergy. Polemics don't belong on Christian News. They belong on either Religious Topics or Non-Religious Topics.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2013, 02:11:13 PM by PeterTheAleut »
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Re: NYT - U.S. Accuses 2 Rabbis of Kidnapping Husbands for a Fee
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2013, 02:13:25 PM »
How was that Christian News, Mor?
How is what Tallitot recently posted about another pervert priest Christian News?

Well played, Mor Ephrem! ;D
It was about a Christian clergyman.

My take:

The stories about aberrant priests should be here as well UNLESS the story is about a cover up as in the broader RCC scenario. In either words: Clergy commits a crime or alleged to have done so, it's non religious. Bishop, church overseers cover it uo, it's Christian news. Otherwise it's piling on and not really fair.

Brilliant observation.

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Re: NYT - U.S. Accuses 2 Rabbis of Kidnapping Husbands for a Fee
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2013, 02:13:52 PM »
How was that Christian News, Mor?
How is what Tallitot recently posted about another pervert priest Christian News?

Well played, Mor Ephrem! ;D
It was about a Christian clergyman.

My take:

The stories about aberrant priests should be here as well UNLESS the story is about a cover up as in the broader RCC scenario. In either words: Clergy commits a crime or alleged to have done so, it's non religious. Bishop, church overseers cover it uo, it's Christian news. Otherwise it's piling on and not really fair.
That sounds like fair guideline.
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Re: NYT - U.S. Accuses 2 Rabbis of Kidnapping Husbands for a Fee
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2013, 02:16:18 PM »
How was that Christian News, Mor?
How is what Tallitot recently posted about another pervert priest Christian News?

Well played, Mor Ephrem! ;D
It was about a Christian clergyman.

My take:

The stories about aberrant priests should be here as well UNLESS the story is about a cover up as in the broader RCC scenario. In either words: Clergy commits a crime or alleged to have done so, it's non religious. Bishop, church overseers cover it uo, it's Christian news. Otherwise it's piling on and not really fair.
That sounds like fair guideline.

It it seems fair to you, then please spare us from such non-news in the future.
The memory of God should be treasured in our hearts like the precious pearl mentioned in the Holy Gospel. Our life's goal should be to nurture and contemplate God always within, and never let it depart, for this steadfastness will drive demons away from us. - Paraphrased from St. Philotheus of Sinai
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Translated from the Russian by E. Kadloubovksy and G.E.H. Palmer, Faber and Faber, London, Boston, 1992 printing.

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Re: NYT - U.S. Accuses 2 Rabbis of Kidnapping Husbands for a Fee
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2013, 02:20:13 PM »
How was that Christian News, Mor?
How is what Tallitot recently posted about another pervert priest Christian News?

Well played, Mor Ephrem! ;D
It was about a Christian clergyman.

My take:

The stories about aberrant priests should be here as well UNLESS the story is about a cover up as in the broader RCC scenario. In either words: Clergy commits a crime or alleged to have done so, it's non religious. Bishop, church overseers cover it uo, it's Christian news. Otherwise it's piling on and not really fair.
That sounds like fair guideline.

It it seems fair to you, then please spare us from such non-news in the future.
Right, because ignoring a problem makes it go away.
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Re: NYT - U.S. Accuses 2 Rabbis of Kidnapping Husbands for a Fee
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2013, 02:22:58 PM »
How was that Christian News, Mor?
How is what Tallitot recently posted about another pervert priest Christian News?

Well played, Mor Ephrem! ;D
It was about a Christian clergyman.

My take:

The stories about aberrant priests should be here as well UNLESS the story is about a cover up as in the broader RCC scenario. In either words: Clergy commits a crime or alleged to have done so, it's non religious. Bishop, church overseers cover it uo, it's Christian news. Otherwise it's piling on and not really fair.

Brilliant observation.

Mods, please considering adding this to our ever-expanding never-ending rules that will always be brinked by those with twisted "bent" minds.
It's already in the Guidelines for Various Boards thread. ;)
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Re: NYT - U.S. Accuses 2 Rabbis of Kidnapping Husbands for a Fee
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2013, 02:23:59 PM »
How was that Christian News, Mor?
How is what Tallitot recently posted about another pervert priest Christian News?

Well played, Mor Ephrem! ;D
It was about a Christian clergyman.

My take:

The stories about aberrant priests should be here as well UNLESS the story is about a cover up as in the broader RCC scenario. In either words: Clergy commits a crime or alleged to have done so, it's non religious. Bishop, church overseers cover it uo, it's Christian news. Otherwise it's piling on and not really fair.
That sounds like fair guideline.

It it seems fair to you, then please spare us from such non-news in the future.
Right, because ignoring a problem makes it go away.
No. It's because we want to be able to see your polemics for what they are: polemics (not news).
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Re: NYT - U.S. Accuses 2 Rabbis of Kidnapping Husbands for a Fee
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2013, 03:27:03 PM »
Any Priest, Rabbi or Imam that does this kind of stuff should be put in prison.
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Re: NYT - U.S. Accuses 2 Rabbis of Kidnapping Husbands for a Fee
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2013, 05:07:25 AM »
Are you sure it's not false?
Of course it is, I'm sure the rabbi charged much more than that. ;D
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Re: NYT - U.S. Accuses 2 Rabbis of Kidnapping Husbands for a Fee
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2013, 05:09:08 AM »
Any Priest, Rabbi or Imam that does this kind of stuff should be put in prison.
Uh, how bout ANYONE kidnapping and torturing people need to go to prison.

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