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The magazine below is politically conservative, or neo-conservative, and also advocates some mild racialism, however, it is , from front to back Jewish owned ,Jewish run and Jewish operated. It even has a "Save Israel" appeal on its homepage. Funny how the authour of the article below has a non-Jewish sounding name, isn't that so typical? The gentile front-man , as to be expected, also peppers the article with refs. to "the Holocaust" and "memories of Auschwitz", and the absurd canard "anti-Semitism," how original....
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FrontPageMagazine.com, CA
Feb 9 2005

"Peace" Through Anti-Semitism
By Joseph D'Hippolito
FrontPageMagazine.com | February 9, 2005

If Israelis and Palestinians ever achieve peace, it likely will not
result from the efforts of the Holy Land's most prestigious Christian
prelates.

In "Patriarch of Terror," Front Page Magazine exposed the
anti-Semitism of the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem, Michel Sabbah, and
his collaborationist relationship with Yasser Arafat. Sabbah,
however, is not alone.

The Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem, Irineos I, and his former
spokesman, Father Atallah Hanna, have used even more virulent
rhetoric in their own collaborationist campaign. That rhetoric
includes supporting suicide bombing, charging the Jews with deicide
and advocating their expulsion from the Holy Land.



Irineos originally was appointed as the Greek Orthodox patriarch in
September 2001 but did not officially take office until this January.
According to Greek Orthodox procedures, local governments must
approve the appointment. Jordan and the Palestinian Authority -- two
of the three areas encompassing the patriarchate -- approved Irineos.
Israel withheld approval because of his suspected support for Arafat.



Israeli suspicions were confirmed by a July 2001 letter that Irineos
sent to Arafat and the Palestinian Authority's diplomatic
representative to Greece, Abdullah Abdullah. Irineos, the
patriarchate's diplomatic representative to Athens at the time, was
one of five candidates rejected by Israel's justice minister, Meir
Sheetrit. So Irineos asked Arafat to use his influence among Arabs
world to pressure Israel to reconsider.



Although Irineos' English is awkward, his message is clear:



  "You are aware of my opinions regarding the Holy City of Jerusalem,
as well as the support that consecutively I offered in the past in
the fight of your people and your nation.



"You are aware of my multiple interventions towards the late
Patriarch Diodoros and the Greek Government and the international
forums for the rights of the Palestinian (sic) to have their
independent state with its capital Jerusalem."



But this is the letter's most damning evidence:



"You are finally aware of the sentiments of disgust and disrespect
that all the Holy Sepulcher Fathers are feeling for the descendants
of the crucifiers of our Lord Jesus Christ, actual crucifiers of your
people, Sionists (sic) Jewish conquerors of the Holy Land of
Palestine. (emphasis added)."



Should Arafat's influence prove successful, Irineos continued, "Rest
assured, Mr. President, that the rights of the most beloved
Palestinian people on the Holy City of Jerusalem will find their most
'hot' supporter. Our beloved Mr. Chouri (Arafat's personal secretary)
will inform you accordingly regarding what we have discussed of the
real estate of our Patriarchate within the boundaries of the Old
City."



Irineos suggests more than a quid pro quo. He suggests a combined
effort to remove any Jewish presence from Jerusalem -- and,
eventually, from all of Israel.



A 1998 security report presented to the Israeli cabinet stated that
the Palestinian Authority seeks to control church-owned property,
particularly in Jerusalem. The Palestinians' big target is the Greek
Orthodox patriarchate, the largest and wealthiest church in the Holy
Land. The patriarchate derives its wealth from extensive land
holdings throughout Israel that it accumulated through the centuries
-- including the land on which the Knesset, the Israeli parliament,
and the president's and prime minister's official residences sit.



The report also stated that "Chouri," Irineos' misspelling of Ramzi
Khouri, was working with Fatah's Marwan Barghouti to create a union
of Orthodox Palestinian Christians that would act as a pressure group
for the Palestinian Authority.



"The PA realizes that control over the Christian holy places in
Jerusalem can be used as a powerful lever to gain international
political influence in the Christian world," the report stated. "The
PA has used its indirect control over the Church of the Nativity in
Bethlehem as a means of influencing the Greek Orthodox and Armenian
Patriarchates, through which it impacts the political positions of
the Greek government and the European Union."



The ultimate goal is conquest though land purchase and lease
revocation, if violence fails.



"The fear in the (Israeli) government is that in a few years Israel
will find itself with a patriarchate of Arabs that will in theory
hold 50 percent of the land downtown," stated an investment report
from Capital Property Consultants, a Jerusalem real estate firm.
"Israel was always wary of the Greek Church, the oldest and most
powerful church in Jerusalem, coming under the rule of a
pro-Palestinian patriarch, fearing it could result in land disputes
when long-term leases began expiring."



Irineos also expressed his anti-Israeli stance in a letter on
patriarchate letterhead to Arafat and Abdullah during the 2002 siege
of Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity, which began when Palestinian
gunmen attacked the church and barricaded themselves inside. Irineos'
awkward English does not disguise his attitude, as these excerpts
demonstrate:



"With extreme anger we see the aggression against your headquarters
in Ramallah, (a) fact that proves the humiliation in which the
Israeli government suppresses the legal leadership of the Palestinian
people but also proves their indifference for the peace process and
the international community. The siege of the Holiest among the
shrines the Nativity Church in Bethlehem makes even clearer their
intentions.



"We wish to assure you, Dear Mr. President, that the Greek Orthodox
Patriarchate of Jerusalem and myself stand side by side with your
people in this fight for freedom and justice.



"We pray to the Almighty God of Love to give you success and victory
in this holy struggle, and also help to establish His peace in the
Holy Land."



Both letters were made public by the Israeli daily Ma'ariv as part of
a series of articles between December 2002 and January 2004 on
Irineos' pro-Palestinian attitude. Irineos responded with a libel
suit but withdrew it in December. He even paid 10,000 Israeli shekels
plus value-added tax -- a total of roughly more than $2,000 -- to
cover Ma'ariv's legal expenses.



Despite Irineos' letters and the public opposition of such cabinet
ministers as Natan Sharansky and Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister
Ariel Sharon successfully argued for Irineos' confirmation. The
reasons involve internal party politics, pressure from real estate
interests and -- as Sharon aide Dov Weisglass told Israel's Arutz
Sheva news service in 2002 -- pressure from the United States.



Hanna, an Arab born in Haifa, was serving as the patriarchate's
spokesman when he subtly advocated suicide bombing as part of the
Palestinian intifada in June 2002 during an address in Abu Dhabi to a
think tank run by the Arab League.



"Some freedom fighters adopt martyrdom or suicide bombings, while
others opt for other measures," the Gulf News quoted Hanna as saying.
"Don't expect us to keep distance and watch. We are in the struggle
whether it is martyrdom or any other means. The Muslims and the
Christians are one and cannot be separated from the struggle for the
liberation of Palestine."



Irineos, who had yet to be confirmed and did not need adverse
publicity, fired Hanna that July. One month later, Israeli police
arrested and questioned Hanna on suspicion of inciting violence,
having relations with terrorist groups and illegally visiting Syria
and Lebanon, which remain in a state of war with Israel. Hanna left
the country to meet with Hezbollah's leader, Sheikh Hassan Narallah,
so police placed Hanna under house arrest and confiscated his
passports.



Nevertheless, Hanna has since used even more vituperative rhetoric
without any apparent public protest from Irineos. At a reception in
Haifa on January 11, 2003, Hanna expressed emphatic support for
suicide bombers:



"The fidaiyin are the heroes of this nation. We are proud of them and
resolutely refuse any attempt to defame their deeds. They are not
committing suicide, as some claim, and they are not terrorists, as
others claim -- they are resisting the occupation. We unreservedly
support the martyrdom operations."



Six days later, in a rally at Jerusalem's Church of the Holy
Sepulcher, Hanna was even more enthusiastic:



"Martyrdom operations are an excellent and good way to resist the
Zionist invasion of the Palestinian land. In front of the Church of
the Holy Sepulcher, we bless the souls of the heroic shahids
(martyrs) and the families of the shahids.



"The names of the fidaiyi shahids will be inscribed in the history of
our Palestinian and Arab people in holy white letters. The voices of
those who defame these acts of heroism and honor are nothing more
than anomalous voices that do not represent Arab and Palestinian
public opinion."



But Hanna saved his most extreme rhetoric for his sermon of  January
19, 2003 -- the Orthodox Epiphany:



"Palestine is from the (Mediterranean) sea to the (Jordan) river. We
emphatically refuse any concession on (even) a grain of the land of
our precious homeland. Just as Ramallah, Gaza, Nablus, and Jenin are
Palestinian cities, so are Haifa, Nazareth, Jaffa, Ramle, Lod,
Beersheba, Safed, and others Palestinian cities.



"We do not believe in so-called 'peace with Israel' because peace
cannot be made with Satan. Israel is the greatest Satan. No
concession and no truce must be made. The Palestinians' rights will
be restored only by resistance. What was taken by force will be
restored only by force.



"The Zionist Jews are foreigners in this land. They have no right to
live or settle in it. They should go somewhere else in the world to
establish their state and their false entity. Jerusalem is an Arab
city and the Jews must not settle in it, be masters over it, or carry
out any type of religious ritual or ceremony in it. They must leave
their homes. They have no right to live on land, cities or villages
that are not theirs."



Sixty years after the liberation of Auschwitz's prisoners, it is an
ironic obscenity for alleged men of God to promote the most
pernicious forms of anti-Semitism.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16864


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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2005, 03:38:00 PM »

There looks to be a lot of out of context quoting, editorial sensationalizing and deliberate conclusions by the author.  I tend to agree with Pontus that, anyone who isn't a Zionist = hates Jews, acording to FrontPageMagazine, which is a bunch of crap.  The only thing I'd agree with from what they insinuate is that it appears that this Hanna person isn't that good of a person.  Any conclusions about Patriarch Irineos I think are pessimistic and hasty.  I hate politics.
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2005, 04:21:51 PM »

Yes, FrontPagMag is pretty racist, it's not a publication I would call "creditable". This article is typical of that site.
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At any rate, I do not believe that there is a man in the USA who accepts to live in illusion who says that peace will be recognized between the Arabs and Israel even if the occupation of the occupied Arab territories does not come to an end.
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2005, 04:48:24 PM »

The magazine below is politically conservative, or neo-conservative, and also advocates some mild racialism, however, it is , from front to back Jewish owned ,Jewish run and Jewish operated. It even has a "Save Israel" appeal on its homepage. Funny how the authour of the article below has a non-Jewish sounding name, isn't that so typical? The gentile front-man , as to be expected, also peppers the article with refs. to "the Holocaust" and "memories of Auschwitz", and the absurd canard "anti-Semitism," how original....
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Hi.  "Golda" here.  Remember me?  Where to begin?  FYI, I've reported you and I hope that the moderators can finally get rid of the holocaust denial and anti-semitism here. 

"Jewish hate?"  Classic bigotry.  Why is something stupid in a magazine supposedly owned/managed by Jews attributed to "Jewish hate?"  Although, I doubt you, as an anti-semite, can understand that question. 

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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2005, 05:11:48 PM »

Because the supposed hate is coming from a Jewish publication....
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2005, 05:25:58 PM »


Kind of off topic but - I think that giving the local secular authorities - including Israel and the two Arab powers mentioned - veto power over the selection of an Orthodox Patrriarch needs to be done away with.
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2005, 05:29:51 PM »

Because the supposed hate is coming from a Jewish publication....

Let's say a publication owned and managed by Greeks published an article suggesting Jews were "greedy," etc.   Would "Greek Hate for Jews" be appropriate?  Does the fact that some Jews do something mean all Jews do it?  Assuming that the behavior of every member of a group is identical to the behavior of some members of the group is bigotry and prejudice. 

Do all Jews hate "Greek Orthodoxy?" 
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2005, 05:31:34 PM »

One more thing, how is a publication owned by people of Jewish ancestry or faith a "Jewish publication?"  If I started a magazine about politics would it be fair to characterize it as an "Orthodox publication?" 
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Hi. "Golda" here. Remember me? Where to begin? FYI, I've reported you and I hope that the moderators can finally get rid of the holocaust denial and anti-semitism here.

"Jewish hate?" Classic bigotry. Why is something stupid in a magazine supposedly owned/managed by Jews attributed to "Jewish hate?" Although, I doubt you, as an anti-semite, can understand that question.



Thats not nice.
why do catholics try to come into Orthodoxy and try to change Orthodoxy?
If you wanted to love jews you should have stayed in Catholicism. They already made deals for a Reapprochment with Jews in that branch of "Christianity". You should have stayed there.
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Thats not nice.
why do catholics try to come into Orthodoxy and try to change Orthodoxy?
If you wanted to love jews you should have stayed in Catholicism. They already made deals for a Reapprochment with Jews in that branch of "Christianity". You should have stayed there.

Yes, her comment to Pontus was snide, but she pointed out obvious bigotry and how we can't prejuice a whole group based on the actions of a few.
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Yes, her comment to Pontus was snide, but she pointed out obvious bigotry and how we can't prejuice a whole group based on the actions of a few.

weird, I didn't detect bigotry.
well if you look at the mastheads of most papers in New York, it is mostly Jewish owned.
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weird, I didn't detect bigotry.
well if you look at the mastheads of most papers in New York, it is mostly Jewish owned.

I call on the moderators to PLEASE put a stop to this bigotry.  It's SO embarrassing. 

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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2005, 05:54:34 PM »

I call on the moderators to PLEASE put a stop to this bigotry. It's SO embarrassing.

I echo this sentiment.
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I call on the moderators to PLEASE put a stop to this bigotry. It's SO embarrassing.




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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2005, 05:58:48 PM »

I banned him for 30 days.  We'll see if he fixes his behavior at that point.

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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2005, 06:03:54 PM »

Sheeesh......not another blame the jews for everything thread :flame: Why can't people understand that all groups of people have thier share of villians and bad people.
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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2005, 06:11:27 PM »

Some observations:

1) This is a free for all so posting of these kinds of articles with commentary that deal with Israel and Orthodoxy is fine.
2) Holocaust denial is not something that civilized people do.
3) Catholicism did not need to be brought in here.
4) People should avoid such explosive over-generalized terms as "Jewish Hatred." You can make the point against Israel without sounding like a hate-filled person. A better title would have been "Bigotted Article against Greek Orthodoxy." If that had been posted, everyone would have agreed that this was a bad article.

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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2005, 06:46:46 PM »

Some observations:

1) This is a free for all so posting of these kinds of articles with commentary that deal with Israel and Orthodoxy is fine.
2) Holocaust denial is not something that civilized people do.
3) Catholicism did not need to be brought in here.
4) People should avoid such explosive over-generalized terms as "Jewish Hatred." You can make the point against Israel without sounding like a hate-filled person.  A better title would have been "Bigotted Article against Greek Orthodoxy."  If that had been posted, everyone would have agreed that this was a bad article.

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I have a few objections here...first, you claim that "Holocaust denial" is uncivilized, yet your own fellow administrator, you know that Idian-looking guy who with you at Pier 17 during the Epiphany, who goes by the handle "Mor" and is a Monophysite, publically ridiculed the Pontus Holocaust and nothing was done about this. True he did point out that I did not mention the lack of coverage for Armenians, relative to the Jews' wild "Holocaust" claims.

I as an Greek Orthodox Christian , born and bred , object to the Monophysite ( ...read Catholic...) control of an allegedly Orthodox Christian message board. The Crusader complex of Monophysites , like Catholics , led to the destruction of the most beautiful Christian city in history --Constantinople. Your kind blasphemed the Church of God and impaled Christian babies on spears in your barbaric, simple-minded lust for gold. It is no wonder that heretics like the Catholics, are so close to Jews.  I compell you, evil spirits, to leave us Orthodox Christians alone, God only knows what Monophysites like Armenians and your fellow moderator and his Catholic buddies do when they get together with Jewish rabbis and "Shoah" businessmen to molest little boys behind your Satanic altars. Since you , as a Southern hick, are descended from braindead-barbarians youself, "Anastasios", I could hardly expect you to do anything other than continue your deviant and simpleton Western ways.

On top of it all you are all hypocrites. When Nordic Barbarians like Schultz throw around the racist term "Oriental", no one called for banning him. Nor did anyone call for the ban of Jennifer for her racist hatred toward Greeks.

On top of it all, the article concerns Jewish attempts to exterminate Orthodox Christians in Israel, and like good Catholics and Nordic white trash racists and monophysites you all again whine and cry about Jews.

If you bann me , I will not cry over it....

You all, most especially Mor, are just jealous that you never could have the brains to make as much money as Greeks or have churches as grande.

YOU ARE ALL BARBARIANS....(or dot-heads...)






 
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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2005, 06:49:05 PM »

You're sounding funny there, Pontus! Phil (Mor Ephrem) never ridiculed the Pontus Holocaust, by the way. He is one of the most pro-Hellenic Indians I know. You are just making a fool of yourself for what you are saying about him.

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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2005, 06:51:58 PM »

what a douche.

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« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2005, 06:53:28 PM »

He never called me any names Sad

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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2005, 06:59:05 PM »

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Since you , as a Southern hick, are descended from braindead-barbarians youself, "Anastasios", I could hardly expect you to do anything other than continue your deviant and simpleton Western ways.

I am a Northerner by the way. Living in the South was a wonderful experience, though, and I can't wait to return Smiley
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