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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #180 on: October 14, 2013, 11:43:23 AM »
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But then we have to face the fact that many people will be offended by the mere presence of a Church in their communities.

Are you serious?  ???

If you think the world has and will always tolerate Churches, then you are woefully ignorant of history.

Even today, here in the "Bible Belt," the depiction of the Cross is being banned.
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The article does not say "the depiction of the cross is being banned". It is saying that some people in the town feel the building of a 110-foot cross might offend certain non-Christians. Big difference.  :police:






Real news sources accurately reported the story.  http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20130921/NEWS01/309210006/Florence-approves-construction-110-foot-cross-Brandon-board-rejected

The plan and proposed location was a zoning issue. People make much of nothing in modern America, it's being built in another location. 
In my corner of Mississippi, there are very few places this cross could be built because of our county tower ordinance. Most of the places that do qualify have cell phone towers on them already.
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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #181 on: October 14, 2013, 01:07:57 PM »
Why does someone feel the need to build a 110 ft cross? Can't they do something a bit more useful with 80-100k?
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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #182 on: October 14, 2013, 01:25:03 PM »
Why do people have to make simple things difficult? Hand out candy or dont. Goodness.....

I am so glad Im not a kid nowadays...I can see it now.....I dress up in my Stormtrooper costume, meet up with my Chewbacca and Powerpuff girls-clad friends, and all I want is candy. However, all I get is some moron adults having an existential crisis about giving me lemonheads or an icon. Just give me my mike-and-ikes or turn your light off. I have school in the morning and I dont care about some ancient holiday nobody celebrates except that fat chick at school who brings a dream-catcher to school and calls herself a wicker or something........

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Awesome, simply awesome!

Geez, we've got those wicker chair things on the porch.  Crap.....

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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #183 on: October 14, 2013, 01:31:54 PM »
Why does someone feel the need to build a 110 ft cross? Can't they do something a bit more useful with 80-100k?

What I want to know is....why bother...


go big or go home....and 110 ft is puny.


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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #184 on: October 14, 2013, 08:53:49 PM »
This poor woman has been in New york harbor before anyone went trick or treating in the US.


And you can be sure that there were many who said that was tasteless then.
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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #185 on: October 15, 2013, 12:29:26 AM »
Just to reiterate:


If anyone feels that it is best not to proselytize on Halloween, then I respect that. No problem. What I don't respect is when people ridicule and condemn those of us who try to use Halloween as an opportunity to bring some joy, fun, and spiritual edification to children and their parents. Personally I think it is quite tacky to call endeavors to promote the Faith "tacky." So let each of us follow our consciences, and let us strive to conform our consciences to Orthodox Teaching and Christian love. I think if we all do this, then God will honor all of our actions.


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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #186 on: October 15, 2013, 01:47:40 PM »

And you can be sure that there were many who said that was tasteless then.

you mean it's not tacky now?!
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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #187 on: October 15, 2013, 03:23:50 PM »

And you can be sure that there were many who said that was tasteless then.

you mean it's not tacky now?!
 :P

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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #188 on: October 15, 2013, 04:36:50 PM »

And you can be sure that there were many who said that was tasteless then.

you mean it's not tacky now?!
 :P

It and the Eiffel Tower to the two greatest atrocities the French ever committed.
Otherwise the French are pretty much perfect.
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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #189 on: October 15, 2013, 05:29:44 PM »

And you can be sure that there were many who said that was tasteless then.

you mean it's not tacky now?!
 :P

Lady Liberty may be a little tacky, but that's nothing compared to the Capitol's decorations.  The Apotheosis of George Washington?  Ugh!
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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #190 on: October 15, 2013, 06:50:00 PM »

And you can be sure that there were many who said that was tasteless then.

you mean it's not tacky now?!
 :P

Lady Liberty may be a little tacky, but that's nothing compared to the Capitol's decorations.  The Apotheosis of George Washington?  Ugh!

I went to Washington once and when I saw the capitol I will never forget my disappointment when upon walking into the rotunda, found that it is a fake dome made of cast iron, and there is no wonderful airy space such as you find in the Cathedrals with the  original domes such as that, In fact everything is a fake copy of the originals, such as the Washington monument which is modeled after ancient monoliths made of solid stone erected thousands of years ago, ours is made of bricks.
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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #191 on: October 15, 2013, 07:16:10 PM »

And you can be sure that there were many who said that was tasteless then.

you mean it's not tacky now?!
 :P

Lady Liberty may be a little tacky, but that's nothing compared to the Capitol's decorations.  The Apotheosis of George Washington?  Ugh!

I went to Washington once and when I saw the capitol I will never forget my disappointment when upon walking into the rotunda, found that it is a fake dome made of cast iron, and there is no wonderful airy space such as you find in the Cathedrals with the  original domes such as that, In fact everything is a fake copy of the originals, such as the Washington monument which is modeled after ancient monoliths made of solid stone erected thousands of years ago, ours is made of bricks.

The construction didn't disappoint me, the gaudy paintings and statues did.  I actually prefer my state Capitol much, much better.  It has the same neoclassical architecture, but with tasteful bee motifs.
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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #192 on: October 15, 2013, 07:25:22 PM »

And you can be sure that there were many who said that was tasteless then.

you mean it's not tacky now?!
 :P

Lady Liberty may be a little tacky, but that's nothing compared to the Capitol's decorations.  The Apotheosis of George Washington?  Ugh!

I went to Washington once and when I saw the capitol I will never forget my disappointment when upon walking into the rotunda, found that it is a fake dome made of cast iron, and there is no wonderful airy space such as you find in the Cathedrals with the  original domes such as that, In fact everything is a fake copy of the originals, such as the Washington monument which is modeled after ancient monoliths made of solid stone erected thousands of years ago, ours is made of bricks.

The construction didn't disappoint me, the gaudy paintings and statues did.  I actually prefer my state Capitol much, much better.  It has the same neoclassical architecture, but with tasteful bee motifs.

It is just that the capitol dome is such a symbol of supposed greatness, and it is a complete fake, guess that gives some indication of what is really going on under the look of it.
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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #193 on: October 15, 2013, 07:52:10 PM »

And you can be sure that there were many who said that was tasteless then.

you mean it's not tacky now?!
 :P

Lady Liberty may be a little tacky, but that's nothing compared to the Capitol's decorations.  The Apotheosis of George Washington?  Ugh!

I went to Washington once and when I saw the capitol I will never forget my disappointment when upon walking into the rotunda, found that it is a fake dome made of cast iron, and there is no wonderful airy space such as you find in the Cathedrals with the  original domes such as that, In fact everything is a fake copy of the originals, such as the Washington monument which is modeled after ancient monoliths made of solid stone erected thousands of years ago, ours is made of bricks.

The construction didn't disappoint me, the gaudy paintings and statues did.  I actually prefer my state Capitol much, much better.  It has the same neoclassical architecture, but with tasteful bee motifs.

Cool state capitol: New York's in Albany. A beaux arts behemoth, full of the excesses of the gilded age, a  monument to gross corruption and it's next to "Brasilia north", otherwise known as Rockefeller Plaza. The  nearby ""Egg" (NYS Museum) and the ridiculously ostentatious Senate Office Building are bizarre. 

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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #194 on: October 15, 2013, 07:56:58 PM »
I might be prejudiced a bit, but I like the PA Capitol building.

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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #195 on: October 15, 2013, 07:57:13 PM »
Cool state capitol: New York's in Albany. A beaux arts behemoth, full of the excesses of the gilded age, a  monument to gross corruption and it's next to "Brasilia north", otherwise known as Rockefeller Plaza. The  nearby ""Egg" (NYS Museum) and the ridiculously ostentatious Senate Office Building are bizarre. 

Albany is an oddly put together city.  
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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #196 on: October 15, 2013, 07:57:31 PM »
Oh yes! Albany is a fun city to look at.  ;D
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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #197 on: October 15, 2013, 07:59:42 PM »
And some people want to stomp down on such off topic obscenities . . .
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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #198 on: October 15, 2013, 08:01:33 PM »
And some people want to stomp down on such off topic obscenities . . .
I know, right?  How dare they!  ;D
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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #199 on: October 15, 2013, 08:06:01 PM »
And some people want to stomp down on such off topic obscenities . . .

You've offered some good advice lately, so we're following it. Anyway, it's more interesting and probably less contentious than what we were discussing.
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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #200 on: October 15, 2013, 08:54:43 PM »
And some people want to stomp down on such off topic obscenities . . .

You've offered some good advice lately, so we're following it. Anyway, it's more interesting and probably less contentious than what we were discussing.

It really is.

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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #202 on: October 18, 2013, 10:56:58 PM »

And you can be sure that there were many who said that was tasteless then.

you mean it's not tacky now?!
 :P
Lady Liberty may be a little tacky, but that's nothing compared to the Capitol's decorations.  The Apotheosis of George Washington?  Ugh!

I went to Washington once and when I saw the capitol I will never forget my disappointment when upon walking into the rotunda, found that it is a fake dome made of cast iron, and there is no wonderful airy space such as you find in the Cathedrals with the  original domes such as that, In fact everything is a fake copy of the originals, such as the Washington monument which is modeled after ancient monoliths made of solid stone erected thousands of years ago, ours is made of bricks.

The construction didn't disappoint me, the gaudy paintings and statues did.  I actually prefer my state Capitol much, much better.  It has the same neoclassical architecture, but with tasteful bee motifs.
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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #203 on: October 19, 2013, 03:53:36 PM »
Gebre is not alone..  http://ocl.org/halloween-an-orthodox-approach/

wow, this is giving me more ideas!
 ;)
i like the idea of icons and candles.
i wonder if cutting a large cross in a pumkin and lighting a candle inside it will work?

don't worry, there will also be sweets...

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« Reply #204 on: October 19, 2013, 03:57:59 PM »
Gebre is not alone..  http://ocl.org/halloween-an-orthodox-approach/

i like the idea of icons and candles.
i wonder if cutting a large cross in a pumkin and lighting a candle inside it will work?

I like the idea as well. I'd do it, if we got trick-or-treaters here.

As for the pumpkin, make it several smaller crosses all around. You don't want the flame to be visible. ;)
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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #205 on: October 19, 2013, 04:03:09 PM »
ok, thanks!
i've been a non-celebrator of halloween since i was 5, so didn't get much pumpkin-cutting practice!

how many little crosses would you suggest?
if i put a short, fat candle inside with the top replaced like a lid, do you think the candle will still burn inside without going out?
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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #206 on: October 19, 2013, 05:22:28 PM »
I can't carve to save my life, but probably 4-5 crosses around the rim (after cutting off the lid) would be enough. The cuts should give the candle enough air to keep burning.
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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #207 on: October 21, 2013, 05:32:36 PM »
Here is a video on handing out tracts for Halloween.  It just makes me want to cringe.

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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #208 on: October 21, 2013, 07:00:24 PM »
Here is a video on handing out tracts for Halloween.  It just makes me want to cringe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mdvpchs6wjs#t=62

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« Reply #209 on: October 21, 2013, 07:02:23 PM »
Here is a video on handing out tracts for Halloween.  It just makes me want to cringe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mdvpchs6wjs#t=62

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« Reply #210 on: October 21, 2013, 07:06:07 PM »
ok, thanks!
i've been a non-celebrator of halloween since i was 5, so didn't get much pumpkin-cutting practice!

how many little crosses would you suggest?
if i put a short, fat candle inside with the top replaced like a lid, do you think the candle will still burn inside without going out?
(need to prepare for rain in this country! i seem to remember how much you love the weather here...)

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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #211 on: October 24, 2013, 12:10:00 AM »
I have an icon of St John's severed head in a dish.  That's the whole icon.  Nothing else. 

I love it. 

It's quite prevalent among the Old Believers around my parts. In fact, I know a guy whose icon corner consists of this one alone.

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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #212 on: October 31, 2013, 05:37:30 PM »
so...
no kids knocked on my door.
i prayed for them anyway, and ate a lot of chocolate!

bedtime in my timezone now...
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Re: Halloween and Children
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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #214 on: October 16, 2014, 10:03:49 PM »
Charlie Sheen is a man created in God's image and likeness who, through his own weaknesses and the craftiness of the enemy of our salvation, has strayed from the level path of the gospel in order to walk the broad road of the dissipative pleasures of this life.  Rather than ridicule him with our words and art, we should pray for him that the Lover of Man would powerfully intervene in his life, at the prayers of the Mother of God, and show himself also the "Lover of Charlie Sheen" so that Charlie can ever more show himself to be the "Lover of Christ" and, please God, our brother in the Holy Orthodox faith. 
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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #215 on: October 16, 2014, 10:55:37 PM »
Charlie Sheen is a man created in God's image and likeness who, through his own weaknesses and the craftiness of the enemy of our salvation, has strayed from the level path of the gospel in order to walk the broad road of the dissipative pleasures of this life.  Rather than ridicule him with our words and art, we should pray for him that the Lover of Man would powerfully intervene in his life, at the prayers of the Mother of God, and show himself also the "Lover of Charlie Sheen" so that Charlie can ever more show himself to be the "Lover of Christ" and, please God, our brother in the Holy Orthodox faith. 

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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #216 on: October 17, 2014, 12:14:51 AM »
Charlie Sheen is a man created in God's image and likeness who, through his own weaknesses and the craftiness of the enemy of our salvation, has strayed from the level path of the gospel in order to walk the broad road of the dissipative pleasures of this life.  Rather than ridicule him with our words and art, we should pray for him that the Lover of Man would powerfully intervene in his life, at the prayers of the Mother of God, and show himself also the "Lover of Charlie Sheen" so that Charlie can ever more show himself to be the "Lover of Christ" and, please God, our brother in the Holy Orthodox faith. 

Amen!  May the Lord bring Carlos Estevez into his True Church.

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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #217 on: October 17, 2014, 12:18:29 AM »
Charlie Sheen is a man created in God's image and likeness who, through his own weaknesses and the craftiness of the enemy of our salvation, has strayed from the level path of the gospel in order to walk the broad road of the dissipative pleasures of this life.  Rather than ridicule him with our words and art, we should pray for him that the Lover of Man would powerfully intervene in his life, at the prayers of the Mother of God, and show himself also the "Lover of Charlie Sheen" so that Charlie can ever more show himself to be the "Lover of Christ" and, please God, our brother in the Holy Orthodox faith. 

Amen!  May the Lord bring Carlos Estevez into his True Church.

Emilio not good enough for you?

If both were to become Orthodox even more a blessing!  ;)

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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #218 on: October 17, 2014, 01:46:21 AM »
Charlie Sheen is a man created in God's image and likeness who, through his own weaknesses and the craftiness of the enemy of our salvation, has strayed from the level path of the gospel in order to walk the broad road of the dissipative pleasures of this life.  Rather than ridicule him with our words and art, we should pray for him that the Lover of Man would powerfully intervene in his life, at the prayers of the Mother of God, and show himself also the "Lover of Charlie Sheen" so that Charlie can ever more show himself to be the "Lover of Christ" and, please God, our brother in the Holy Orthodox faith. 

Amen.

And Maria is a woman created in God's image and likeness who, in spite of her own weaknesses and the craftiness of the enemy of our salvation, strives to uphold the gospel and walk according to the Faith. Rather than ridicule her zeal and mock her righteous convictions, we should pray for her that the Lover of man would continue to intervene on her behalf, at the prayers of the Mother of God, and continue to show himself the lover of Maria so that she will continue to show herself the "Lover of Christ".


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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #219 on: October 17, 2014, 01:59:53 AM »
Charlie Sheen is a man created in God's image and likeness who, through his own weaknesses and the craftiness of the enemy of our salvation, has strayed from the level path of the gospel in order to walk the broad road of the dissipative pleasures of this life.  Rather than ridicule him with our words and art, we should pray for him that the Lover of Man would powerfully intervene in his life, at the prayers of the Mother of God, and show himself also the "Lover of Charlie Sheen" so that Charlie can ever more show himself to be the "Lover of Christ" and, please God, our brother in the Holy Orthodox faith. 

Amen!  May the Lord bring Carlos Estevez into his True Church.

Emilio not good enough for you?

If both were to become Orthodox even more a blessing!  ;)

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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #220 on: October 17, 2014, 10:18:29 AM »
Charlie Sheen is a man created in God's image and likeness who, through his own weaknesses and the craftiness of the enemy of our salvation, has strayed from the level path of the gospel in order to walk the broad road of the dissipative pleasures of this life.  Rather than ridicule him with our words and art, we should pray for him that the Lover of Man would powerfully intervene in his life, at the prayers of the Mother of God, and show himself also the "Lover of Charlie Sheen" so that Charlie can ever more show himself to be the "Lover of Christ" and, please God, our brother in the Holy Orthodox faith. 

Amen.

And Maria is a woman created in God's image and likeness who, in spite of her own weaknesses and the craftiness of the enemy of our salvation, strives to uphold the gospel and walk according to the Faith. Rather than ridicule her zeal and mock her righteous convictions, we should pray for her that the Lover of man would continue to intervene on her behalf, at the prayers of the Mother of God, and continue to show himself the lover of Maria so that she will continue to show herself the "Lover of Christ".


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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #221 on: October 19, 2014, 03:30:57 PM »
I love Halloween. It's a day of great inspiration for horror writers such as myself, and it's fun to harmlessly indulge in the vices of gluttony, lust, and darkness once a year. I think I'll sit back, eat and pass out candy, lust after the women in revealing costumes, and write some stories. Maybe I'll grill up some ribs for dinner or pressure my grandmother into making that fancy Mexican stew she always makes on Halloween.

Have I ever done anything to "witness" to children on this day? Heck no. What is this, Evangelicalism? They don't want religion they want candy. Using this holiday to "witness" to unsupervised, minor children without their parents seems to be immoral IMHO--how would we feel if Muslims did the same to our kids?

If you want to give the kids Scripture or something, go ahead. But don't be surprised if the kids throw it away to make room for more candy.
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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #222 on: October 19, 2014, 04:07:50 PM »
I love Halloween. It's a day of great inspiration for horror writers such as myself, and it's fun to harmlessly indulge in the vices of gluttony, lust, and darkness once a year. I think I'll sit back, eat and pass out candy, lust after the women in revealing costumes, and write some stories. Maybe I'll grill up some ribs for dinner or pressure my grandmother into making that fancy Mexican stew she always makes on Halloween.

Have I ever done anything to "witness" to children on this day? Heck no. What is this, Evangelicalism? They don't want religion they want candy. Using this holiday to "witness" to unsupervised, minor children without their parents seems to be immoral IMHO--how would we feel if Muslims did the same to our kids?

If you want to give the kids Scripture or something, go ahead. But don't be surprised if the kids throw it away to make room for more candy.

Don't quite agree with you, but I would love to read some of your horror stories. Hope you will share.  :)


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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #223 on: October 19, 2014, 05:52:15 PM »
I love Halloween. It's a day of great inspiration for horror writers such as myself, and it's fun to harmlessly indulge in the vices of gluttony, lust, and darkness once a year. I think I'll sit back, eat and pass out candy, lust after the women in revealing costumes, and write some stories. Maybe I'll grill up some ribs for dinner or pressure my grandmother into making that fancy Mexican stew she always makes on Halloween.

Have I ever done anything to "witness" to children on this day? Heck no. What is this, Evangelicalism? They don't want religion they want candy. Using this holiday to "witness" to unsupervised, minor children without their parents seems to be immoral IMHO--how would we feel if Muslims did the same to our kids?

If you want to give the kids Scripture or something, go ahead. But don't be surprised if the kids throw it away to make room for more candy.

Don't quite agree with you, but I would love to read some of your horror stories. Hope you will share.  :)


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Re: Halloween and Children
« Reply #224 on: October 19, 2014, 10:55:55 PM »
If I do anything for Halloween, I'll probably be wearing this mask:
http://www.partycity.com/product/red+demon+horror+mask.do?pp=100&page=2&navSet=170614

It's a bear to put on.