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Re: Vatican tells bishops not to reform faster than Francis (on Marriage)
« Reply #46 on: October 11, 2013, 09:46:36 PM »
Does anyone else not think it's a good idea? I mean, casual divorce is so common now that it needs to be preached against, not facilitated.
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Re: Vatican tells bishops not to reform faster than Francis (on Marriage)
« Reply #47 on: October 11, 2013, 10:17:26 PM »
Does anyone else not think it's a good idea? I mean, casual divorce is so common now that it needs to be preached against, not facilitated.
I think this, like sooo many other recent things involving the Pope, is spun into something it really isn't and given a little time we will see what was really meant.

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Re: Vatican tells bishops not to reform faster than Francis (on Marriage)
« Reply #48 on: October 11, 2013, 10:17:37 PM »
Does anyone else not think it's a good idea? I mean, casual divorce is so common now that it needs to be preached against, not facilitated.

Good point. We get so wrapped up in comparing and contrasting the merits of trees, we often lose sight of the forest. Whether we debate the qualities and merits of ecclesiastical annulment or divorce, the truth remains as you noted.

But how a church treats those whose marriages fail in terms of inclusion sacramentally after the marriage fails is important with or without remarriage being an issue.  

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Re: Vatican tells bishops not to reform faster than Francis (on Marriage)
« Reply #49 on: October 22, 2013, 12:02:57 PM »
" Amid rising expectations that the Catholic church might make it easier for divorced and remarried members to receive Communion, the Vatican's highest doctrinal official reaffirmed church teaching barring such persons from the sacrament without an annulment of their first sacramental marriage.
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The prefect's article also addressed the Eastern Orthodox practice of allowing second or third marriages even when the first is sacramentally valid, a practice Pope Francis mentioned without endorsing when speaking to reporters in July.

"This practice cannot be reconciled with God's will, as expressed unambiguously in Jesus' sayings about the indissolubility of marriage," the archbishop wrote. "
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I didn't know the Vatican was so strongly against that Eastern Orthodox practice. Interesting.

How do the Eastern Catholics deal with this?
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Re: Vatican tells bishops not to reform faster than Francis (on Marriage)
« Reply #50 on: October 22, 2013, 12:06:04 PM »
" Amid rising expectations that the Catholic church might make it easier for divorced and remarried members to receive Communion, the Vatican's highest doctrinal official reaffirmed church teaching barring such persons from the sacrament without an annulment of their first sacramental marriage.
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The prefect's article also addressed the Eastern Orthodox practice of allowing second or third marriages even when the first is sacramentally valid, a practice Pope Francis mentioned without endorsing when speaking to reporters in July.

"This practice cannot be reconciled with God's will, as expressed unambiguously in Jesus' sayings about the indissolubility of marriage," the archbishop wrote. "
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I didn't know the Vatican was so strongly against that Eastern Orthodox practice. Interesting.

How do the Eastern Catholics deal with this?

Well obviously that Archbishop didn't get the emails about ecumenism.

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Re: Vatican tells bishops not to reform faster than Francis (on Marriage)
« Reply #51 on: October 22, 2013, 12:06:52 PM »
I didn't know the Vatican was so strongly against that Eastern Orthodox practice. Interesting.

The wag in me wants to point out all the Orthodox things the Vatican seems to oppose, starting with good liturgy... :P

Seriously, though, the only things I'm aware of in which the Vatican opposes the Orthodox are in the realm of marriage and sexuality.  Even in terms of papal primacy, they seem more likely to adjust, redefine, etc., but they are very strident in these matters.  
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Re: Vatican tells bishops not to reform faster than Francis (on Marriage)
« Reply #52 on: October 22, 2013, 12:10:07 PM »
Does anyone else not think it's a good idea? I mean, casual divorce is so common now that it needs to be preached against, not facilitated.

I think the time to fight against casual divorce is before the marriage takes place. That will be an uphill battle, I think, because our society tends to take a more casual attitude towards marriage now than in times past. "Til death do you part" with the mental addendum "as long as things are going fairly well".
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