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« on: October 05, 2013, 09:22:06 AM »

I was not sure if somebody already started a thread on this or where to put this topic.  All have probably read by now that a couple days ago, a young woman tried to ram a White House gate at 15th and E streets in Washington D. C. and fled in a car.  Even though she was ramming with her car, I still wonder if she should have been shot and killed like she was.  Either way, my the LORD have mercy on her relatives and young daughter, who the driver had in the car with her.
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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2013, 09:24:12 AM »

Lord have mercy.
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2013, 09:52:59 AM »

Lord have mercy.
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2013, 10:34:12 AM »

I was not sure if somebody already started a thread on this or where to put this topic.  All have probably read by now that a couple days ago, a young woman tried to ram a White House gate at 15th and E streets in Washington D. C. and fled in a car.  Even though she was ramming with her car, I still wonder if she should have been shot and killed like she was.  Either way, my the LORD have mercy on her relatives and young daughter, who the driver had in the car with her.

They get touchy around the Senate Office Building and Capitol. They didnt shoot at first and tried to get her to surrender but she fled.
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2013, 10:49:23 AM »

Saw the event on Sky news at the time. The driver of the black Infiniti saloon really did cause mayhem, was clearly determined not to stop and put others at peril of their lives. Sadly it ended with the drivers death but not that of the child in the car.

Saw the amazing collection of law enforcement agencies too. Seems a might unwieldy way to make everyone safe, in terms of command and control if nothing else.

The driver reportedly had been experiencing mental health problems reportedly. And although the press tend to present mental health sufferers as dangerous to others all too often, the reality is that they are more usually the ones who end up hurt.
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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2013, 02:47:17 PM »

Car bombs.  They are real and they are deadly.

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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2013, 12:19:22 AM »

A little update:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/car-in-chase-from-white-house-was-driving-backward-when-officers-opened-fire/2013/10/08/ca058c14-3052-11e3-8906-3daa2bcde110_story.html?tid=pm_pop
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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2013, 12:24:19 AM »

When a vehicle is being used as a deadly weapon...
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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2013, 01:08:50 AM »

When a vehicle is being used as a deadly weapon...

What makes a person snap and drive 300 miles from CT to DC with a 14 month old?  I don't blame the police for what they did for they protected innocent lives against the actions of an individual who lost touch with reality and was perceived as a terrorist threat.  Does that mean we execute every person who loses touch with reality?
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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2013, 01:25:24 AM »

Only the ones we don't elect, SolEX01.
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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2013, 01:37:51 AM »

When a vehicle is being used as a deadly weapon...

What makes a person snap and drive 300 miles from CT to DC with a 14 month old?  I don't blame the police for what they did for they protected innocent lives against the actions of an individual who lost touch with reality and was perceived as a terrorist threat.  Does that mean we execute every person who loses touch with reality?
In response to your first question, I don't know.  The mental state or people is more fragile than its ever been.  It could have been anything.

Second question:  No, not unless they pose an immediate and real threat to people and nothing else works.  Also, the goal is not to kill (or execute) rather to simply stop the threat.
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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2013, 09:27:11 AM »

Only the ones we don't elect, SolEX01.
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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2013, 05:15:12 AM »

If she was OJ, they would've shut down the beltway and gave her a police escort to a safe destination where she could've surrendered herself.

At any rate, I seen the video and don't know why those keystone kops in D.C. don't know how shoot the tires off the car when they had her surrounded.

They'd rather blow her brains out with a kid in the car.
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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2013, 06:19:10 AM »

Four characters were arrested in simultaneous strikes in London as suspects for a planned terrorist attack. One arrest involved a vehicle whose tyres were shot out with special rounds. This is the second time I have read of such a tactic being used.

It posed in my head whether such a tactic might not have been possible with the DC incident? The London incident was very different in that it was the culmination of an ongoing surveillance operation and not a spontaneous turn of event.

Plus any old officer emptying his weapon at the tyres of an erratically and fast moving vehicle might just have put innocent bystanders at risk.

My abiding memory of the subsequent press conference was Captain Short @rse of something called the Capitol Police. Not an impressive performance at all.

None of this of course explains what was going on in that lady's head!
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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2013, 11:00:39 AM »

If she was OJ, they would've shut down the beltway and gave her a police escort to a safe destination where she could've surrendered herself.

At any rate, I seen the video and don't know why those keystone kops in D.C. don't know how shoot the tires off the car when they had her surrounded.

They'd rather blow her brains out with a kid in the car.

Because nothing has changed since the 1990's. 
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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2013, 11:03:24 AM »

They'd rather blow her brains out with a kid in the car.

Yes, I'm sure that all Capitol Police want to do in their workday is shoot white women with their kids in the back seat.

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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2013, 11:16:57 AM »

1- Did the police know that there was a child in the car when they started shooting. 

2- Shooting out tires does not dismantle a carbomb.  Shooting the person in the car will remove the possibility of that person detonating it, and secures the immediate zone for the bomb squads to be called in.  (I know that there wasn't a bomb in the car, but I don't think it is possible for the police to have been privy to this at the time.  Likewise, I do not know if they thought there was a carbomb.  That would have been my first assumption, though.)

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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2013, 06:41:39 PM »

They'd rather blow her brains out with a kid in the car.

Yes, I'm sure that all Capitol Police want to do in their workday is shoot white women with their kids in the back seat.


Um, she wasn't white sharp guy.
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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2013, 06:50:26 PM »

1- Did the police know that there was a child in the car when they started shooting.  

2- Shooting out tires does not dismantle a carbomb.  Shooting the person in the car will remove the possibility of that person detonating it, and secures the immediate zone for the bomb squads to be called in.  (I know that there wasn't a bomb in the car, but I don't think it is possible for the police to have been privy to this at the time.  Likewise, I do not know if they thought there was a carbomb.  That would have been my first assumption, though.)


From what I remember in the video, the keystone D.C. kwaps had her surrounded but weren't clever enough to box her in so she couldn't get away, they were right on top of her at one point looking in the car, if they didn't notice the kid....well, great police work again guys.

I don't think they really assumed she was a car bomber, she doesn't fit the profile. I don't think they could figure out at all what was going on with her, fact is, they probably panicked, blew the oppurtunity to neutralize her and open fire with a barrage into the car.

Cops are human, cops panick, cops screw up, but when they do, it usually deadly and we expect more from them than that, you know, with all their "training" and everything.
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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2013, 07:48:56 PM »

They'd rather blow her brains out with a kid in the car.

Yes, I'm sure that all Capitol Police want to do in their workday is shoot white women with their kids in the back seat.


Um, she wasn't white sharp guy.

In my experience, when someone invokes OJ disapprovingly, it usually has to do with one thing and one thing only.  Also, I've never met a non-white from Connecticut (where I believe the woman was from).  Apologies for the error.   
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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2013, 07:31:44 PM »

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In my experience, when someone invokes OJ disapprovingly, it usually has to do with one thing and one thing only.
Oh, and what is that?

Let me guess.........."wayycism" perhaps?

You people are so predictable, can your type ever step out of the box?

Sorry, but OJ got off not because he was a "black" man, but because he was a rich black man. If Oj didn't have his millions (and fame), they would've blown him clear off the Freeway or blew his brains out on the spot, like they did this poor (key word) black woman.

It's not about who's black or white, it's about who's the greenest.

Yes, they do love to politicize race, but, at the end of the day it'a all about the money. Especially in America.

BTW. plenty of those "nonwhites" in the Constitution State, you just have to go to some of the more  urban areas.
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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2013, 07:59:49 PM »

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Oh, and what is that?

Let me guess.........."wayycism" perhaps?

You people are so predictable, can your type ever step out of the box?

If I didn't know better...
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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2013, 08:39:23 PM »

1- Did the police know that there was a child in the car when they started shooting. 

2- Shooting out tires does not dismantle a carbomb.  Shooting the person in the car will remove the possibility of that person detonating it, and secures the immediate zone for the bomb squads to be called in.  (I know that there wasn't a bomb in the car, but I don't think it is possible for the police to have been privy to this at the time.  Likewise, I do not know if they thought there was a carbomb.  That would have been my first assumption, though.)



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And, if you miss and hit the rim or something else that is very hard the bullet could ricochet and kill someone near the car.
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