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« Reply #45 on: September 25, 2013, 04:36:36 PM »

relationship buliders

People who talk like this I also assume don't know what friendship means. Get back to networking.

Exactly, very true indeed!
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« Reply #46 on: September 25, 2013, 05:10:30 PM »

I mean Americans are pretty friendly people and polite, but once you get past the small talk it seems as if nobody wants to forge friendships. I am not just talking about me but in general.

In short we really only have maybe 1-3 real friends and the rest are just acquaintances. Is it a inner circle thing where they don't want to bring someone new into the fold?

I just never really understood it.
I believe that you will find a difference between Americans who live in a big city and those who live in small towns in the countryside.
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« Reply #47 on: September 25, 2013, 06:25:31 PM »

Besides I'm in a new city and would like to have a few friends.

  I think once you arrive at a certain age, it's difficult for adults to find really good friends.  I think this is so for several reasons.  The older we get, the busier we tend to be with family obligations.  Also, as an adult you're more cautious with who you let in.  I think also that as adults, we're, I don't know if judgmental is the right word, but sometimes we place a premium on looks or we gage to see if a potential friend is liked by others, etc..  When we were kids it was waay easy to find a friend:  All you had to do was have candy and boom! you've got friends.  Smiley  I guess maybe it's the same if you're a wino and hang out with other wino's.  Tongue  I think that it's a good thing that making friends when we're older is slower and sometimes more challenging because there's a lot at stake when you're older.  Not to mention that if we're sincere about our faith, we'll be cautious and a little judgmental with who we let in.

  Anyway, I can empathize with you completely.  We're social creatures and we need to connect with others (even us introverts!).  The only thing I can say is this; ask God to bring people into your life and then be patient.  Also, if you wanna get you need to be prepared to give.  Praying for you!
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« Reply #48 on: September 25, 2013, 06:33:58 PM »

a) most people have to have reasons for maintain the friendship

Just the appeal of a friend is usually not enough to go on - have a conversation starter.

(A good reason to be friends)
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« Reply #49 on: September 25, 2013, 06:36:06 PM »

I mean Americans are pretty friendly people and polite, but once you get past the small talk it seems as if nobody wants to forge friendships.

 I couldn't locate the thread, but I seem ro recall a thread you started not too long ago where you railed against small talk and other relationship buliders with a fairly nasty vitriole.  I'm just a country boy, but I'd bet the farm your attitude might have something to do with it.


EDIT: I found the thread- Can we kill the small talk?
 In it, you stated that most people think you're rude because you don't like small talk or something along those lines.  I'm not sure, but maybe you just don't bring anything to the table of friendship?  I'm not trying to be harsh or mean...
Your reading comprehension needs work.
Well, there's a good way to make friends. Say stuff like this^

Works for me. Most of my friends have had low tolerances for insipitude.
Sorry for my uninspiring boringness.  We all can't be so special.

You ain't gotta be friendly to have friends.
Well alrighty then.
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« Reply #50 on: September 25, 2013, 06:56:28 PM »


relationship buliders

People who talk like this I also assume don't know what friendship means. Get back to networking.

 Well, us insipid types have our own lingo I guess.


 
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« Reply #51 on: September 25, 2013, 08:22:37 PM »

What's wrong with having only a couple of close friends?

Nothing at all. Perhaps certain social influences have put people under the impression that they're supposed to be brimming with friends.
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« Reply #52 on: September 25, 2013, 08:23:50 PM »

I mean Americans are pretty friendly people and polite, but once you get past the small talk it seems as if nobody wants to forge friendships.

 I couldn't locate the thread, but I seem ro recall a thread you started not too long ago where you railed against small talk and other relationship buliders with a fairly nasty vitriole.  I'm just a country boy, but I'd bet the farm your attitude might have something to do with it.


EDIT: I found the thread- Can we kill the small talk?
 In it, you stated that most people think you're rude because you don't like small talk or something along those lines.  I'm not sure, but maybe you just don't bring anything to the table of friendship?  I'm not trying to be harsh or mean...
Your reading comprehension needs work.

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« Reply #53 on: September 25, 2013, 08:25:28 PM »

I mean Americans are pretty friendly people and polite, but once you get past the small talk it seems as if nobody wants to forge friendships.

 I couldn't locate the thread, but I seem ro recall a thread you started not too long ago where you railed against small talk and other relationship buliders with a fairly nasty vitriole.  I'm just a country boy, but I'd bet the farm your attitude might have something to do with it.


EDIT: I found the thread- Can we kill the small talk?
 In it, you stated that most people think you're rude because you don't like small talk or something along those lines.  I'm not sure, but maybe you just don't bring anything to the table of friendship?  I'm not trying to be harsh or mean...
Your reading comprehension needs work.

Please tell me this is trolling. Either way, you need something better to do.
Orthonorm says that it's a good way to make friends.
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« Reply #54 on: September 25, 2013, 08:27:32 PM »

Even though I'm fairly outgoing, I really am more of an introvert, and I prefer a small group of close friends. Smiley I never really understood all of the shallow party friendships that people develop in college, and even as adults.
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« Reply #55 on: September 25, 2013, 08:28:43 PM »

I mean Americans are pretty friendly people and polite, but once you get past the small talk it seems as if nobody wants to forge friendships.

 I couldn't locate the thread, but I seem ro recall a thread you started not too long ago where you railed against small talk and other relationship buliders with a fairly nasty vitriole.  I'm just a country boy, but I'd bet the farm your attitude might have something to do with it.


EDIT: I found the thread- Can we kill the small talk?
 In it, you stated that most people think you're rude because you don't like small talk or something along those lines.  I'm not sure, but maybe you just don't bring anything to the table of friendship?  I'm not trying to be harsh or mean...
Your reading comprehension needs work.

Please tell me this is trolling. Either way, you need something better to do.
Orthonorm says that it's a good way to make friends.

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« Reply #56 on: September 25, 2013, 09:03:07 PM »

Even though I'm fairly outgoing, I really am more of an introvert, and I prefer a small group of close friends. Smiley I never really understood all of the shallow party friendships that people develop in college, and even as adults.

It can be difficult for smart people to understand stupid.

I mean Americans are pretty friendly people and polite, but once you get past the small talk it seems as if nobody wants to forge friendships.

 I couldn't locate the thread, but I seem ro recall a thread you started not too long ago where you railed against small talk and other relationship buliders with a fairly nasty vitriole.  I'm just a country boy, but I'd bet the farm your attitude might have something to do with it.


EDIT: I found the thread- Can we kill the small talk?
 In it, you stated that most people think you're rude because you don't like small talk or something along those lines.  I'm not sure, but maybe you just don't bring anything to the table of friendship?  I'm not trying to be harsh or mean...
Your reading comprehension needs work.

Please tell me this is trolling. Either way, you need something better to do.
Orthonorm says that it's a good way to make friends.

He's probably right. It's also a good way to make enemies, but I suppose you can't have friends without enemies.

At least he's made me feel better about frequently being called "cynical," which is not really part of my nature but more like grumpiness resulting from the fact the people my age still think Walt Disney is interesting.

Really, I think that particular corporation is the biggest threat to US security right now. I'm hoping Obama will actually call me this week so I can advise him to shelf Syria and turn his attention towards our more nefarious enemies.

Anyway, back to talking about friends...
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« Reply #57 on: September 25, 2013, 09:05:54 PM »

Even though I'm fairly outgoing, I really am more of an introvert, and I prefer a small group of close friends. Smiley I never really understood all of the shallow party friendships that people develop in college, and even as adults.

It can be difficult for smart people to understand stupid.

I mean Americans are pretty friendly people and polite, but once you get past the small talk it seems as if nobody wants to forge friendships.

 I couldn't locate the thread, but I seem ro recall a thread you started not too long ago where you railed against small talk and other relationship buliders with a fairly nasty vitriole.  I'm just a country boy, but I'd bet the farm your attitude might have something to do with it.


EDIT: I found the thread- Can we kill the small talk?
 In it, you stated that most people think you're rude because you don't like small talk or something along those lines.  I'm not sure, but maybe you just don't bring anything to the table of friendship?  I'm not trying to be harsh or mean...
Your reading comprehension needs work.

Please tell me this is trolling. Either way, you need something better to do.
Orthonorm says that it's a good way to make friends.

He's probably right. It's also a good way to make enemies, but I suppose you can't have friends without enemies.

At least he's made me feel better about frequently being called "cynical," which is not really part of my nature but more like grumpiness resulting from the fact the people my age still think Walt Disney is interesting.

Really, I think that particular corporation is the biggest threat to US security right now. I'm hoping Obama will actually call me this week so I can advise him to shelf Syria and turn his attention towards our more nefarious enemies.

Anyway, back to talking about friends...
Awwww, and I love Disney Land.  Cheesy
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« Reply #58 on: September 25, 2013, 09:47:42 PM »

I mean Americans are pretty friendly people and polite, but once you get past the small talk it seems as if nobody wants to forge friendships.

 I couldn't locate the thread, but I seem ro recall a thread you started not too long ago where you railed against small talk and other relationship buliders with a fairly nasty vitriole.  I'm just a country boy, but I'd bet the farm your attitude might have something to do with it.


EDIT: I found the thread- Can we kill the small talk?
 In it, you stated that most people think you're rude because you don't like small talk or something along those lines.  I'm not sure, but maybe you just don't bring anything to the table of friendship?  I'm not trying to be harsh or mean...
Your reading comprehension needs work.
Well, there's a good way to make friends. Say stuff like this^

Works for me. Most of my friends have had low tolerances for insipitude.

You ain't gotta be friendly to have friends. In fact, it usually a sure sign of someone who has known none.

You aren't a real misanthrope.
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« Reply #59 on: September 25, 2013, 09:50:48 PM »

I mean Americans are pretty friendly people and polite, but once you get past the small talk it seems as if nobody wants to forge friendships.

 I couldn't locate the thread, but I seem ro recall a thread you started not too long ago where you railed against small talk and other relationship buliders with a fairly nasty vitriole.  I'm just a country boy, but I'd bet the farm your attitude might have something to do with it.


EDIT: I found the thread- Can we kill the small talk?
 In it, you stated that most people think you're rude because you don't like small talk or something along those lines.  I'm not sure, but maybe you just don't bring anything to the table of friendship?  I'm not trying to be harsh or mean...
Your reading comprehension needs work.

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Stalking is a great way to meet women.
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« Reply #60 on: September 25, 2013, 11:25:40 PM »

Friends are a liability.  An enemy will never betray you.  His motives are always known. 
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« Reply #61 on: September 25, 2013, 11:41:15 PM »

Friends are a liability.  An enemy will never betray you.  His motives are always known. 

Life without liabilities is boring and pointless. Ask Jesus.
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« Reply #62 on: September 26, 2013, 12:01:20 AM »

Because it's better to walk in solitude.

At least you walk the talk to yourself.

Actually, I take the bus.
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« Reply #63 on: September 26, 2013, 03:30:13 AM »

Ionnis could weigh in cause I think he is one of the few people other than myself that has read much in the way of literature about friendship throughout the tradition.

If anyone else had, friend would be a rarely uttered word.

Why would any amount of literature change the contemporary meaning of the word "friend"?

Because people would come to understand the history of friendship across the world, specifically that one would make only a handful of friends over his life, that these friendships were valued above almost everything, and that these people in America whom we call "friends" are usually nothing of the sort. As much as orthonorm likes to rag on C.S. Lewis (who is not always my favorite either), he definitely got it right when he observed that friendship was dying in the 20th century Anglosphere. When we use the contemporary sense of the word friend it is hard to imagine, for example, how the philosophers of ancient Greece could have had so many different views on whether polyphilia (having many friends) was an acceptable or desirable practice or how Cicero could have written an entire treatise on friendship. Lamentably, having corrupted the word friend into being nearly synonymous with acquaintance, we no longer have a word in the English language which adequately describes friendship as it was known to the ancients. And now it seems to me that we have not only lost the concept of friendship, but that we have even lost the ability to form friendships, because of our own collective ignorance as to the meaning of the word friend.
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« Reply #64 on: September 26, 2013, 03:30:13 AM »

But why should we look to the ancients on friendships?
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« Reply #65 on: September 26, 2013, 03:30:13 AM »

Because it's better to walk in solitude.
Hey I'll walk with you.

We can even stop to eat at Papa Johns if you want, give alms back to John
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« Reply #66 on: September 26, 2013, 03:30:13 AM »


relationship buliders

People who talk like this I also assume don't know what friendship means. Get back to networking.

 Well, us insipid types have our own lingo I guess
Don't worry. I got reprimanded for saying "resume building"

We don't build skyscrapers anymore, we do resumes now.
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« Reply #67 on: September 26, 2013, 09:34:18 AM »

Because it's better to walk in solitude.
Hey I'll walk with you.


Well, there goes William's solitude....
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« Reply #68 on: September 26, 2013, 11:09:23 AM »

Friends are a liability.  An enemy will never betray you.  His motives are always known. 

Life without liabilities is boring and pointless. Ask Jesus.

Yes.  See how many of his "friends" stuck around when he was crucified.
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« Reply #69 on: September 26, 2013, 11:18:22 AM »

Friends are a liability.  An enemy will never betray you.  His motives are always known. 

Life without liabilities is boring and pointless. Ask Jesus.

Yes.  See how many of his "friends" stuck around when he was crucified.
Meh, it seems to have turned out ok in the end.
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« Reply #70 on: September 26, 2013, 12:53:25 PM »

Because it's better to walk in solitude.
Hey I'll walk with you.

We can even stop to eat at Papa Johns if you want, give alms back to John

No, we'll go to one of those yummy Pitt places. Just score us some Steelers tickets and we can talk.
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Because it's better to walk in solitude.
Hey I'll walk with you.

We can even stop to eat at Papa Johns if you want, give alms back to John

No, we'll go to one of those yummy Pitt places. Just score us some Steelers tickets and we can talk.

Because it's better to walk in solitude er,...to an eatery and then to a Steelers game, talking all the while.
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« Reply #72 on: September 26, 2013, 01:41:57 PM »

Because it's better to walk in solitude.
Hey I'll walk with you.

We can even stop to eat at Papa Johns if you want, give alms back to John

No, we'll go to one of those yummy Pitt places. Just score us some Steelers tickets and we can talk.
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« Reply #73 on: September 26, 2013, 02:12:26 PM »

But why should we look to the ancients on friendships?

Because they had money and slaves and copious leisure.
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« Reply #74 on: September 26, 2013, 04:45:30 PM »

Ionnis could weigh in cause I think he is one of the few people other than myself that has read much in the way of literature about friendship throughout the tradition.

If anyone else had, friend would be a rarely uttered word.

Why would any amount of literature change the contemporary meaning of the word "friend"?

Because people would come to understand the history of friendship across the world, specifically that one would make only a handful of friends over his life, that these friendships were valued above almost everything, and that these people in America whom we call "friends" are usually nothing of the sort. As much as orthonorm likes to rag on C.S. Lewis (who is not always my favorite either), he definitely got it right when he observed that friendship was dying in the 20th century Anglosphere. When we use the contemporary sense of the word friend it is hard to imagine, for example, how the philosophers of ancient Greece could have had so many different views on whether polyphilia (having many friends) was an acceptable or desirable practice or how Cicero could have written an entire treatise on friendship. Lamentably, having corrupted the word friend into being nearly synonymous with acquaintance, we no longer have a word in the English language which adequately describes friendship as it was known to the ancients. And now it seems to me that we have not only lost the concept of friendship, but that we have even lost the ability to form friendships, because of our own collective ignorance as to the meaning of the word friend.
Awesome.

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 I would posit that the various forms of social media are greatly hindering our ability to the create meaningful dialogue.
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« Reply #75 on: September 26, 2013, 04:55:07 PM »

Ionnis could weigh in cause I think he is one of the few people other than myself that has read much in the way of literature about friendship throughout the tradition.

If anyone else had, friend would be a rarely uttered word.

Why would any amount of literature change the contemporary meaning of the word "friend"?

Because people would come to understand the history of friendship across the world, specifically that one would make only a handful of friends over his life, that these friendships were valued above almost everything, and that these people in America whom we call "friends" are usually nothing of the sort. As much as orthonorm likes to rag on C.S. Lewis (who is not always my favorite either), he definitely got it right when he observed that friendship was dying in the 20th century Anglosphere. When we use the contemporary sense of the word friend it is hard to imagine, for example, how the philosophers of ancient Greece could have had so many different views on whether polyphilia (having many friends) was an acceptable or desirable practice or how Cicero could have written an entire treatise on friendship. Lamentably, having corrupted the word friend into being nearly synonymous with acquaintance, we no longer have a word in the English language which adequately describes friendship as it was known to the ancients. And now it seems to me that we have not only lost the concept of friendship, but that we have even lost the ability to form friendships, because of our own collective ignorance as to the meaning of the word friend.
Awesome.

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 I would posit that the various forms of social media are greatly hindering our ability to the create meaningful dialogue.

I really hope you are yanking my chain so to speak.
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« Reply #76 on: September 26, 2013, 05:32:13 PM »

I would posit that the various forms of social media are greatly hindering our ability to the create meaningful dialogue.

I can't even comprehend this outside of corporatese speak.
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« Reply #77 on: September 26, 2013, 07:41:19 PM »

Because it's better to walk in solitude.
Hey I'll walk with you.

We can even stop to eat at Papa Johns if you want, give alms back to John

No, we'll go to one of those yummy Pitt places. Just score us some Steelers tickets and we can talk.
DUDE I COULDA GOT TWO TICKETS FOR 160!!!

SMH

Just get them again.
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« Reply #78 on: September 27, 2013, 12:52:59 AM »

Friendship is not really about time spent. It's actually more about vulnerability, trust, and unconditional acceptance. And once you've been hurt by someone you trusted as a friend, it makes you much more cautious and reserved about who you open up to. Online, you can honestly share your views and reveal the burdens of your heart without having to reveal your true identity. You can add and delete friends as you see fit. But real life friendships require commitment and great risk. Like most people, I have been hurt deeply in my life by people I trusted. But I can honestly say that the pain and heartbreak has been worth the true and lasting friendships that God has blessed me with in my life. I'd rather have 3 or 4 true friends that I know will always be loyal than 15 or 20 superficial friendships that have no real meaning.


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« Reply #79 on: September 27, 2013, 01:52:43 AM »

Just get them again.
Where do you live? Can you get here or do I need to pick you up?

And the way the Steelers are playing I may get them even cheaper.
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« Reply #80 on: September 27, 2013, 02:53:32 AM »

Friendship is not really about time spent. It's actually more about vulnerability, trust, and unconditional acceptance. And once you've been hurt by someone you trusted as a friend, it makes you much more cautious and reserved about who you open up to. Online, you can honestly share your views and reveal the burdens of your heart without having to reveal your true identity. You can add and delete friends as you see fit. But real life friendships require commitment and great risk. Like most people, I have been hurt deeply in my life by people I trusted. But I can honestly say that the pain and heartbreak has been worth the true and lasting friendships that God has blessed me with in my life. I'd rather have 3 or 4 true friends that I know will always be loyal than 15 or 20 superficial friendships that have no real meaning.


Selam
Nice observations Gebre. What you say here rings true.
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« Reply #81 on: September 27, 2013, 07:26:34 AM »

Ionnis could weigh in cause I think he is one of the few people other than myself that has read much in the way of literature about friendship throughout the tradition.

If anyone else had, friend would be a rarely uttered word.

Why would any amount of literature change the contemporary meaning of the word "friend"?

Because people would come to understand the history of friendship across the world, specifically that one would make only a handful of friends over his life, that these friendships were valued above almost everything, and that these people in America whom we call "friends" are usually nothing of the sort. As much as orthonorm likes to rag on C.S. Lewis (who is not always my favorite either), he definitely got it right when he observed that friendship was dying in the 20th century Anglosphere. When we use the contemporary sense of the word friend it is hard to imagine, for example, how the philosophers of ancient Greece could have had so many different views on whether polyphilia (having many friends) was an acceptable or desirable practice or how Cicero could have written an entire treatise on friendship. Lamentably, having corrupted the word friend into being nearly synonymous with acquaintance, we no longer have a word in the English language which adequately describes friendship as it was known to the ancients. And now it seems to me that we have not only lost the concept of friendship, but that we have even lost the ability to form friendships, because of our own collective ignorance as to the meaning of the word friend.
Awesome.

Thanks for the post, "we have lost our ability to form friendships". Agreed.

 I would posit that the various forms of social media are greatly hindering our ability to the create meaningful dialogue.

I really hope you are yanking my chain so to speak.

 What is it about my posts in particular that seem to fill you with a need to make these 'drive-by' crypto-insults?  Instead, why not just dive right in and explain what you don't like/understand.
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« Reply #82 on: September 27, 2013, 07:27:45 AM »

Friendship is not really about time spent. It's actually more about vulnerability, trust, and unconditional acceptance. And once you've been hurt by someone you trusted as a friend, it makes you much more cautious and reserved about who you open up to. Online, you can honestly share your views and reveal the burdens of your heart without having to reveal your true identity. You can add and delete friends as you see fit. But real life friendships require commitment and great risk. Like most people, I have been hurt deeply in my life by people I trusted. But I can honestly say that the pain and heartbreak has been worth the true and lasting friendships that God has blessed me with in my life. I'd rather have 3 or 4 true friends that I know will always be loyal than 15 or 20 superficial friendships that have no real meaning.


Selam

 I hope this gem makes it into your next book, brother.  Very thoughtful and true.
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« Reply #83 on: September 27, 2013, 09:10:24 AM »

Friendship is not really about time spent. It's actually more about vulnerability, trust, and unconditional acceptance. And once you've been hurt by someone you trusted as a friend, it makes you much more cautious and reserved about who you open up to. Online, you can honestly share your views and reveal the burdens of your heart without having to reveal your true identity. You can add and delete friends as you see fit. But real life friendships require commitment and great risk. Like most people, I have been hurt deeply in my life by people I trusted. But I can honestly say that the pain and heartbreak has been worth the true and lasting friendships that God has blessed me with in my life. I'd rather have 3 or 4 true friends that I know will always be loyal than 15 or 20 superficial friendships that have no real meaning.


Selam
Nice observations Gebre. What you say here rings true.
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« Reply #84 on: September 27, 2013, 09:17:35 AM »

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« Reply #85 on: September 27, 2013, 10:42:57 AM »

Friendship is not really about time spent. It's actually more about vulnerability, trust, and unconditional acceptance. And once you've been hurt by someone you trusted as a friend, it makes you much more cautious and reserved about who you open up to. Online, you can honestly share your views and reveal the burdens of your heart without having to reveal your true identity. You can add and delete friends as you see fit. But real life friendships require commitment and great risk. Like most people, I have been hurt deeply in my life by people I trusted. But I can honestly say that the pain and heartbreak has been worth the true and lasting friendships that God has blessed me with in my life. I'd rather have 3 or 4 true friends that I know will always be loyal than 15 or 20 superficial friendships that have no real meaning.


Selam
Nice observations Gebre. What you say here rings true.
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« Reply #86 on: September 27, 2013, 11:08:27 AM »

Friendship is not really about time spent. It's actually more about vulnerability, trust, and unconditional acceptance. And once you've been hurt by someone you trusted as a friend, it makes you much more cautious and reserved about who you open up to. Online, you can honestly share your views and reveal the burdens of your heart without having to reveal your true identity. You can add and delete friends as you see fit. But real life friendships require commitment and great risk. Like most people, I have been hurt deeply in my life by people I trusted. But I can honestly say that the pain and heartbreak has been worth the true and lasting friendships that God has blessed me with in my life. I'd rather have 3 or 4 true friends that I know will always be loyal than 15 or 20 superficial friendships that have no real meaning.


Selam
Nice observations Gebre. What you say here rings true.
+1

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If you had any internetz, you would do it for me. Give it a crack.

You manage perfectly well, all by yourself.
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