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« on: September 22, 2013, 06:10:59 PM »

Teens trash home of ex-NFL player, teens parents threaten player

Former NFL offensive lineman Brian Holloway is going to remember Labor Day weekend 2013 for a long time and not for a good reason. On the night of Aug. 31, more than 300 teenagers decided to hold a get-together at Holloway's rural vacation home in Stephentown, NY, and it turned into a bad House Party sequel.

Before cops were able to break up the illegal festivities, the teenagers caused over $20,000 in damage to the home. The damage included spray-painted walls, broken windows, floors scuffed by beer kegs and carpets soaked with beer, liquor and urine, according to ABC News 10 in New York...
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2013, 06:20:12 PM »

I hope he takes all those [insert whatever insult you could imagine] to court.  That's ridiculous.  The generational divide gets wider.
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2013, 06:41:22 PM »

The generational divide gets wider.

True, the poor parenting of the WW2 generation has caused quite a bit of havoc. But we can still reverse it in time, I think.
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2013, 06:54:03 PM »

But let's stay on topic here, the most immediate problem is the parents of these kids, and secondarily the kids themselves, not how we got to this point. Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2013, 07:41:47 PM »

True.  How parents could raise kids capable of even thinking of breaking into a house is beyond me.
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2013, 07:45:41 PM »

My dad would have trashed my room and broke all of my things, then he would have whipped me, and then I would have been given as an indentured servant to the man whose house was trashed.  No joke.  Sounds harsh probably, but my parents didn't mess around and I turned out OK.  
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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2013, 07:56:47 PM »

This is a somewhat  local story around here and we're still only getting bits about what happened at that house, more is coming out every day.

Speaking of "parenting", seems the owner's son might have actually been involved with organizing the party in some way according to some of the kids who were there, also many of the damages are reportedly wildy exaggerated and there was graffiti on the side of the barn long before the party event. Also there's been no publicly discussed statment about any "lawsuits" against the owner by any parents that I'm aware of.

Not that i'm justifying what these kids have done, but there's a lot more to this story and the owner.

stay tuned.
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2013, 08:13:53 PM »

My dad would have trashed my room and broke all of my things, then he would have whipped me, and then I would have been given as an indentured servant to the man whose house was trashed.  No joke.  Sounds harsh probably, but my parents didn't mess around and I turned out OK.  

No kidding. Mine were worse. Seriously. And I was a good kid but ended up a terrible adult.
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2013, 08:16:01 PM »

My dad would have trashed my room and broke all of my things, then he would have whipped me, and then I would have been given as an indentured servant to the man whose house was trashed.  No joke.  Sounds harsh probably, but my parents didn't mess around and I turned out OK.  

No kidding. Mine were worse. Seriously. And I was a good kid but ended up a terrible adult.
We know.  Wink Kiss
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2013, 08:18:56 PM »

My dad would have trashed my room and broke all of my things, then he would have whipped me, and then I would have been given as an indentured servant to the man whose house was trashed.  No joke.  Sounds harsh probably, but my parents didn't mess around and I turned out OK.  

No kidding. Mine were worse. Seriously. And I was a good kid but ended up a terrible adult.
We know.  Wink Kiss

You really have no idea how good a child I was. You truly don't.
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2013, 08:23:54 PM »

My dad would have trashed my room and broke all of my things, then he would have whipped me, and then I would have been given as an indentured servant to the man whose house was trashed.  No joke.  Sounds harsh probably, but my parents didn't mess around and I turned out OK.  

No kidding. Mine were worse. Seriously. And I was a good kid but ended up a terrible adult.
We know.  Wink Kiss

You really have no idea how good a child I was. You truly don't.
Fair enough. We will content ourselves with the knowledge of you as an adult.  Tongue
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2013, 08:45:59 PM »

What do you expect from parents of spoiled New York brats?
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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2013, 08:48:36 PM »

What do you expect from parents of spoiled New York brats?

A spoiled brat is one of the worst things ever. There is no reason for it. It is especially tough to hear about this time of year, being Oktoberfest and all.
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What do you expect from parents of spoiled New York brats?

A spoiled brat is one of the worst things ever. There is no reason for it. It is especially tough to hear about this time of year, being Oktoberfest and all.
A sacred time of year, when Marzenbier flows for our fallen brethren.
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2013, 11:01:48 PM »

What do you expect from parents of spoiled New York brats?

A spoiled brat is one of the worst things ever. There is no reason for it. It is especially tough to hear about this time of year, being Oktoberfest and all.

If it were Bavarian, I'd agree, but New York brats are barely even qualified to have the name. 
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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2013, 11:38:08 PM »

So who allowed them to have the party?
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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2013, 11:38:08 PM »

I hope he takes all those [insert whatever insult you could imagine] to court.  That's ridiculous.  The generational divide gets wider.
Let's see 300 teens getting together for a party and the homeowner ain't around?

I actually expected a lot more damage.
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What do you expect from parents of spoiled New York brats?

A spoiled brat is one of the worst things ever. There is no reason for it. It is especially tough to hear about this time of year, being Oktoberfest and all.
Most middle class people my age are spoiled brats.

See my recent complaints of my co-workers
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« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2013, 08:05:47 PM »

What do you expect from parents of spoiled New York brats?

You leave the fine state of New York out of this.
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What do you expect from parents of spoiled New York brats?

You leave the fine state of New York out of this.
I can't because of how many people tell me how fine it is.

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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2013, 08:10:08 PM »

What do you expect from parents of spoiled New York brats?

You leave the fine state of New York out of this.

Or else what?
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What do you expect from parents of spoiled New York brats?

You leave the fine state of New York out of this.

Or else what?
Well speaking as a Latinist, she might do something non-specific, or wicked, cruel, or violently or ruthlessly.
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« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2013, 08:18:43 PM »

What do you expect from parents of spoiled New York brats?

You leave the fine state of New York out of this.

Or else what?

You don't even want to know. Which I'm saying to be threatening, and not because I can't think of anything off of the top of my head.
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« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2013, 08:20:14 PM »

What do you expect from parents of spoiled New York brats?

You leave the fine state of New York out of this.
I can't because of how many people tell me how fine it is.

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« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2013, 08:20:43 PM »

What do you expect from parents of spoiled New York brats?

You leave the fine state of New York out of this.

Or else what?

You don't even want to know. Which I'm saying to be threatening, and not because I can't think of anything off of the top of my head.
Oh sure you can.

Scam, you got any kids, more specifically any babies?
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« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2013, 08:25:28 PM »

What do you expect from parents of spoiled New York brats?

You leave the fine state of New York out of this.

Or else what?

You don't even want to know. Which I'm saying to be threatening, and not because I can't think of anything off of the top of my head.
Oh sure you can.

Scam, you got any kids, more specifically any babies?

True... I am a danger to all new parents. The local hospital has my picture posted on the maternity floor and it is not because I made that nurse cry when I was there.
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True... I am a danger to all new parents. The local hospital has my picture posted on the maternity floor and it is not because I made that nurse cry when I was there.
What did Babies R Us do?
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True... I am a danger to all new parents. The local hospital has my picture posted on the maternity floor and it is not because I made that nurse cry when I was there.
What did Babies R Us do?

I couldn't possibly tell you. Because it's embarrassing, not because I was just kidding before.
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True... I am a danger to all new parents. The local hospital has my picture posted on the maternity floor and it is not because I made that nurse cry when I was there.
What did Babies R Us do?

I couldn't possibly tell you. Because it's embarrassing, not because I was just kidding before.
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True... I am a danger to all new parents. The local hospital has my picture posted on the maternity floor and it is not because I made that nurse cry when I was there.
What did Babies R Us do?

I couldn't possibly tell you. Because it's embarrassing, not because I was just kidding before.
"Ma'am you have already created too many baby registries for this month...I need you to leave...we are already closed."

Even though I have pointed out time and time again that it does NOT take very long to make a registry with those laser scanners. If they would just give me a minute...
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What do you expect from parents of spoiled New York brats?

You leave the fine state of New York out of this.

Or else what?

You don't even want to know. Which I'm saying to be threatening, and not because I can't think of anything off of the top of my head.
Oh sure you can.

Scam, you got any kids, more specifically any babies?

True... I am a danger to all new parents. The local hospital has my picture posted on the maternity floor and it is not because I made that nurse cry when I was there.

Didn't you threaten to steal a baby?
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What do you expect from parents of spoiled New York brats?

You leave the fine state of New York out of this.

Or else what?

You don't even want to know. Which I'm saying to be threatening, and not because I can't think of anything off of the top of my head.

Awesome!  New Yorkers of OCNet Unite!
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« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2013, 08:49:26 AM »

What do you expect from parents of spoiled New York brats?

You leave the fine state of New York out of this.

Or else what?

You don't even want to know. Which I'm saying to be threatening, and not because I can't think of anything off of the top of my head.

Oh no. I'm so scared.
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What do you expect from parents of spoiled New York brats?

You leave the fine state of New York out of this.

Or else what?

You don't even want to know. Which I'm saying to be threatening, and not because I can't think of anything off of the top of my head.

Awesome!  New Yorkers of OCNet Unite!

Where in NY are you from? I hail from Corning.

You don't even want to know. Which I'm saying to be threatening, and not because I can't think of anything off of the top of my head.

Oh no. I'm so scared.

Well, let that be a lesson to you.  Wink
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Didn't you threaten to steal a baby?

Yes... threaten...
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« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2013, 12:30:40 PM »

Despicable.  Truly despicable.  I'm 50.  Back in the day, kids would tear up, but not like this, and not in such overwhelming numbers.  This generation is different.  It's as though they have no souls.  Seriously.  I look into their eyes, and nothing looks back.  Am I the only one getting the whole Twilight Zone experience with this generation--those aged 14 through about 22?  I feel like I woke up on the moon.
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« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2013, 12:33:56 PM »

Despicable.  Truly despicable.  I'm 50.  Back in the day, kids would tear up, but not like this, and not in such overwhelming numbers.  This generation is different.  It's as though they have no souls.  Seriously.  I look into their eyes, and nothing looks back.  Am I the only one getting the whole Twilight Zone experience with this generation--those aged 14 through about 22?  I feel like I woke up on the moon.

Good to know that I don't have a soul.
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« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2013, 12:54:16 PM »

What do you expect from parents of spoiled New York brats?

You leave the fine state of New York out of this.

Or else what?

You don't even want to know. Which I'm saying to be threatening, and not because I can't think of anything off of the top of my head.

Awesome!  New Yorkers of OCNet Unite!

Where in NY are you from? I hail from Corning.

You don't even want to know. Which I'm saying to be threatening, and not because I can't think of anything off of the top of my head.

Oh no. I'm so scared.

Well, let that be a lesson to you.  Wink

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Where in NY are you from? I hail from Corning.

Westchester County: close enough to Manhattan, but also far enough from Manhattan.  Smiley
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« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2013, 03:15:51 PM »

Despicable.  Truly despicable.  I'm 50.  Back in the day, kids would tear up, but not like this, and not in such overwhelming numbers.  This generation is different.  It's as though they have no souls.  Seriously.  I look into their eyes, and nothing looks back.  Am I the only one getting the whole Twilight Zone experience with this generation--those aged 14 through about 22?  I feel like I woke up on the moon.

Good to know that I don't have a soul.

These soul-filled Catholic high schoolers, however, prove to be the exception to the rule! (video posted on the linked website)
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« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2013, 04:01:44 PM »

Does it really matter? Those professional athletes make more money in a year than all of the parents' of those students combined make in their entire lifetimes. What's $20,000 worth of damage? He can probably afford ten more mansions and yet he's worried about $20,000 worth of damage to one? Sounds like a jerk for someone rolling in money.
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« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2013, 04:08:07 PM »

Does it really matter? Those professional athletes make more money in a year than all of the parents' of those students combined make in their entire lifetimes. What's $20,000 worth of damage? He can probably afford ten more mansions and yet he's worried about $20,000 worth of damage to one? Sounds like a jerk for someone rolling in money.
So just because this guy's "rolling in money" makes what this pack of teens did to his house trivial? Maybe you don't believe in private property, but such is part of the very foundation of our system of law. What those teenagers did to Brian Holloway's house was criminal, and he is justified to press charges against them, regardless of how much or how little damage was done to his house.
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« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2013, 04:13:09 PM »

Does it really matter? Those professional athletes make more money in a year than all of the parents' of those students combined make in their entire lifetimes. What's $20,000 worth of damage? He can probably afford ten more mansions and yet he's worried about $20,000 worth of damage to one? Sounds like a jerk for someone rolling in money.

Do you ever hear yourself? It's irrelevant how much money he has, he has a reasonable right to his property not being destroyed, and these teenagers don't have the right to vandalize his house and get away with it because he's rich. You know what? Never mind. I want to roll my eyes right now, but the doctor says that if I keep doing it, my ocular muscles might spasm and eject my eyeballs.
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« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2013, 05:32:55 PM »

Does it really matter? Those professional athletes make more money in a year than all of the parents' of those students combined make in their entire lifetimes. What's $20,000 worth of damage? He can probably afford ten more mansions and yet he's worried about $20,000 worth of damage to one? Sounds like a jerk for someone rolling in money.

Do you ever hear yourself? It's irrelevant how much money he has, he has a reasonable right to his property not being destroyed, and these teenagers don't have the right to vandalize his house and get away with it because he's rich. You know what? Never mind. I want to roll my eyes right now, but the doctor says that if I keep doing it, my ocular muscles might spasm and eject my eyeballs.

The rich steal property from the poor every time they spend more on themselves then they need to according to St. John Chrysostom and no one cares about that. I can't really blame a few kids for getting back at the real criminals.
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« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2013, 06:11:54 PM »

Does it really matter? Those professional athletes make more money in a year than all of the parents' of those students combined make in their entire lifetimes. What's $20,000 worth of damage? He can probably afford ten more mansions and yet he's worried about $20,000 worth of damage to one? Sounds like a jerk for someone rolling in money.

Do you ever hear yourself? It's irrelevant how much money he has, he has a reasonable right to his property not being destroyed, and these teenagers don't have the right to vandalize his house and get away with it because he's rich. You know what? Never mind. I want to roll my eyes right now, but the doctor says that if I keep doing it, my ocular muscles might spasm and eject my eyeballs.

The rich steal property from the poor every time they spend more on themselves then they need to according to St. John Chrysostom and no one cares about that. I can't really blame a few kids for getting back at the real criminals.

The real criminals are the ones who commit acts against the law. Having money is not against the law. Destruction of what belongs to someone else is.

I'd wait for a quote showing that St John Chrysostom advocated vandalism, but it would be way too much waiting.
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« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2013, 06:45:56 PM »

Does it really matter? Those professional athletes make more money in a year than all of the parents' of those students combined make in their entire lifetimes. What's $20,000 worth of damage? He can probably afford ten more mansions and yet he's worried about $20,000 worth of damage to one? Sounds like a jerk for someone rolling in money.

Do you ever hear yourself? It's irrelevant how much money he has, he has a reasonable right to his property not being destroyed, and these teenagers don't have the right to vandalize his house and get away with it because he's rich. You know what? Never mind. I want to roll my eyes right now, but the doctor says that if I keep doing it, my ocular muscles might spasm and eject my eyeballs.

The rich steal property from the poor every time they spend more on themselves then they need to according to St. John Chrysostom and no one cares about that. I can't really blame a few kids for getting back at the real criminals.

James, you really gotta stop assuming that people are bad just because they are rich. My grandparents are rich, but you will rarely meet people as kind and generous as them.

Vandalism is a crime, it has always been a crime. I have never seen a single patristic text that could be used to justify what these kids did.
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« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2013, 07:04:11 PM »

Thread#548990 on why it is immoral to use private property on the homeless.
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« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2013, 07:09:35 PM »

So who allowed them to have the party?
Can someone answer the above, thanks.
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« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2013, 07:14:27 PM »

Does it really matter? Those professional athletes make more money in a year than all of the parents' of those students combined make in their entire lifetimes. What's $20,000 worth of damage? He can probably afford ten more mansions and yet he's worried about $20,000 worth of damage to one? Sounds like a jerk for someone rolling in money.

Do you ever hear yourself? It's irrelevant how much money he has, he has a reasonable right to his property not being destroyed, and these teenagers don't have the right to vandalize his house and get away with it because he's rich. You know what? Never mind. I want to roll my eyes right now, but the doctor says that if I keep doing it, my ocular muscles might spasm and eject my eyeballs.
Last I checked when I was a teenager and went to parties we didn't give a damn whose property it was, cause it wasn't ours.

The only reason this story even gets "attention" is because it happened to a rich person.
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« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2013, 07:15:45 PM »

Does it really matter? Those professional athletes make more money in a year than all of the parents' of those students combined make in their entire lifetimes. What's $20,000 worth of damage? He can probably afford ten more mansions and yet he's worried about $20,000 worth of damage to one? Sounds like a jerk for someone rolling in money.
So just because this guy's "rolling in money" makes what this pack of teens did to his house trivial? Maybe you don't believe in private property, but such is part of the very foundation of our system of law. What those teenagers did to Brian Holloway's house was criminal, and he is justified to press charges against them, regardless of how much or how little damage was done to his house.
Again who opened up the house for a party.

It's sorta important information to know before saying anything.
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« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2013, 07:16:33 PM »

While I do not agree with the attack on his house, whether rich or poor.

I also would say that Jesus said the rich man who asked him about his salvation was also good to the extent you describe your grandparents, however he also told him only God was good, and also that the rich have the hardest time getting into his kingdom, the rich have already received their reward.The Gospels are full of warnings of this type, it is only man who later wants to say how good the rich are. Remember the old woman who put a penny in the donation plate and Jesus said she was the generous one , not the rich who give much more. It is the percentage which counts, therefore the more you have the harder it is to gain salvation.
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« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2013, 07:17:50 PM »

Does it really matter? Those professional athletes make more money in a year than all of the parents' of those students combined make in their entire lifetimes. What's $20,000 worth of damage? He can probably afford ten more mansions and yet he's worried about $20,000 worth of damage to one? Sounds like a jerk for someone rolling in money.

Do you ever hear yourself? It's irrelevant how much money he has, he has a reasonable right to his property not being destroyed, and these teenagers don't have the right to vandalize his house and get away with it because he's rich. You know what? Never mind. I want to roll my eyes right now, but the doctor says that if I keep doing it, my ocular muscles might spasm and eject my eyeballs.

The rich steal property from the poor every time they spend more on themselves then they need to according to St. John Chrysostom and no one cares about that. I can't really blame a few kids for getting back at the real criminals.

James, you really gotta stop assuming that people are bad just because they are rich. My grandparents are rich, but you will rarely meet people as kind and generous as them.

Vandalism is a crime, it has always been a crime. I have never seen a single patristic text that could be used to justify what these kids did.

While I do not agree with the attack on his house, whether rich or poor.

I also would say that Jesus said the rich man who asked him about his salvation was also good to the extent you describe your grandparents, however he also told him only God was good, and also that the rich have the hardest time getting into his kingdom, the rich have already received their reward.The Gospels are full of warnings of this type, it is only man who later wants to say how good the rich are. Remember the old woman who put a penny in the donation plate and Jesus said she was the generous one , not the rich who give much more. It is the percentage which counts, therefore the more you have the harder it is to gain salvation.
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« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2013, 07:28:10 PM »

Does it really matter? Those professional athletes make more money in a year than all of the parents' of those students combined make in their entire lifetimes. What's $20,000 worth of damage? He can probably afford ten more mansions and yet he's worried about $20,000 worth of damage to one? Sounds like a jerk for someone rolling in money.

Do you ever hear yourself? It's irrelevant how much money he has, he has a reasonable right to his property not being destroyed, and these teenagers don't have the right to vandalize his house and get away with it because he's rich. You know what? Never mind. I want to roll my eyes right now, but the doctor says that if I keep doing it, my ocular muscles might spasm and eject my eyeballs.

The rich steal property from the poor every time they spend more on themselves then they need to according to St. John Chrysostom and no one cares about that. I can't really blame a few kids for getting back at the real criminals.

James, you really gotta stop assuming that people are bad just because they are rich. My grandparents are rich, but you will rarely meet people as kind and generous as them.

Vandalism is a crime, it has always been a crime. I have never seen a single patristic text that could be used to justify what these kids did.

While I do not agree with the attack on his house, whether rich or poor.

I also would say that Jesus said the rich man who asked him about his salvation was also good to the extent you describe your grandparents, however he also told him only God was good, and also that the rich have the hardest time getting into his kingdom, the rich have already received their reward.The Gospels are full of warnings of this type, it is only man who later wants to say how good the rich are. Remember the old woman who put a penny in the donation plate and Jesus said she was the generous one , not the rich who give much more. It is the percentage which counts, therefore the more you have the harder it is to gain salvation.

True, but that wasn't exactly my point. My point was that we shouldn't judge people because of how rich they are. We don't know this guy, nor what he is using his money on. 
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« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2013, 07:45:32 PM »

Does it really matter? Those professional athletes make more money in a year than all of the parents' of those students combined make in their entire lifetimes. What's $20,000 worth of damage? He can probably afford ten more mansions and yet he's worried about $20,000 worth of damage to one? Sounds like a jerk for someone rolling in money.

Do you ever hear yourself? It's irrelevant how much money he has, he has a reasonable right to his property not being destroyed, and these teenagers don't have the right to vandalize his house and get away with it because he's rich. You know what? Never mind. I want to roll my eyes right now, but the doctor says that if I keep doing it, my ocular muscles might spasm and eject my eyeballs.
Last I checked when I was a teenager and went to parties we didn't give a damn whose property it was, cause it wasn't ours.

The only reason this story even gets "attention" is because it happened to a rich person.

Ah, that's the problem. I never went to a party on someone's property who I didn't know and didn't want me there, and my party vandalism percentage still remains at 0%. If we're supposed to hear this story and just shrug and laugh, throw our hands up and say, "Kids will be kids! Teenagers! Ha ha!" then you've lost me from the get-go.
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« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2013, 08:09:15 PM »

Does it really matter? Those professional athletes make more money in a year than all of the parents' of those students combined make in their entire lifetimes. What's $20,000 worth of damage? He can probably afford ten more mansions and yet he's worried about $20,000 worth of damage to one? Sounds like a jerk for someone rolling in money.

Do you ever hear yourself? It's irrelevant how much money he has, he has a reasonable right to his property not being destroyed, and these teenagers don't have the right to vandalize his house and get away with it because he's rich. You know what? Never mind. I want to roll my eyes right now, but the doctor says that if I keep doing it, my ocular muscles might spasm and eject my eyeballs.

The rich steal property from the poor every time they spend more on themselves then they need to according to St. John Chrysostom and no one cares about that. I can't really blame a few kids for getting back at the real criminals.

I seriously doubt that any of these kids were partying out of righteous indignation for the man's "crimes" against poor people.

And as I pointed out, their peers organized a clean-up effort. Surely, they're more than just mere accessories to a rich man's greed?
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« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2013, 08:11:04 PM »

Does it really matter? Those professional athletes make more money in a year than all of the parents' of those students combined make in their entire lifetimes. What's $20,000 worth of damage? He can probably afford ten more mansions and yet he's worried about $20,000 worth of damage to one? Sounds like a jerk for someone rolling in money.
So just because this guy's "rolling in money" makes what this pack of teens did to his house trivial? Maybe you don't believe in private property, but such is part of the very foundation of our system of law. What those teenagers did to Brian Holloway's house was criminal, and he is justified to press charges against them, regardless of how much or how little damage was done to his house.
Again who opened up the house for a party.

It's sorta important information to know before saying anything.

Unless I missed something, the article seemed to indicate that they broke into the house.
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« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2013, 08:19:51 PM »

Does it really matter? Those professional athletes make more money in a year than all of the parents' of those students combined make in their entire lifetimes. What's $20,000 worth of damage? He can probably afford ten more mansions and yet he's worried about $20,000 worth of damage to one? Sounds like a jerk for someone rolling in money.

Do you ever hear yourself? It's irrelevant how much money he has, he has a reasonable right to his property not being destroyed, and these teenagers don't have the right to vandalize his house and get away with it because he's rich. You know what? Never mind. I want to roll my eyes right now, but the doctor says that if I keep doing it, my ocular muscles might spasm and eject my eyeballs.

The rich steal property from the poor every time they spend more on themselves then they need to according to St. John Chrysostom and no one cares about that. I can't really blame a few kids for getting back at the real criminals.

So they were just  a group of crime fighters?  That's stupid.  If you really believe that, go fight some crime yourself, by breaking into houses that don't belong to yours.  I'm sure the police will be happy to hear your tales of battling the villainy of the wealthy. 
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« Reply #58 on: October 06, 2013, 08:23:06 PM »

Unless I missed something, the article seemed to indicate that they broke into the house.
I'd rather that fact be confirmed first.
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« Reply #59 on: October 06, 2013, 08:35:07 PM »

Unless I missed something, the article seemed to indicate that they broke into the house.
I'd rather that fact be confirmed first.

They say he was at his full-time house in Florida at the time. Why is that so unbelievable?
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Good to know that I don't have a soul.

I didn't intend to speak in absolutes--just a glaring, overwhelming majority.  I mean, I've never seen anything like this.  
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« Reply #61 on: October 06, 2013, 08:39:46 PM »

It is preposterous to say the attack is justified, no matter what the person has done, the Lord not only warned against revenge, but also said do good to those who hurt you. He said it does not benefit us to love only those who love us, that is only doing what we're supposed to do.You must rise above them by doing good in return , thus heaping coals on them.

The problem really is that many people complain about the poor being a burden, than say anything bad about their rich buddies, partly because they seek benefits from their rich friends, but also because society is programed to despise the poor in many ways. And most of the complaints are about the poor taking advantage, and rarely about the rich who take advantage.
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« Reply #62 on: October 06, 2013, 09:44:10 PM »

Ah, that's the problem. I never went to a party on someone's property who I didn't know and didn't want me there, and my party vandalism percentage still remains at 0%. If we're supposed to hear this story and just shrug and laugh, throw our hands up and say, "Kids will be kids! Teenagers! Ha ha!" then you've lost me from the get-go.
OK I finally got on his website which because of the terrible layout I had difficulty finding the info on this part.

So we know they organized the party and broke in without him knowing. Like I said, I am surprised there wasn't more damage. He's lucky those were just high school kids and not some gay fraternity.

I'd love to see what the judge does to punish the kids involved with the charges.

But yeah I'd be pretty ticked off too.
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« Reply #63 on: October 06, 2013, 09:46:21 PM »

Does it really matter? Those professional athletes make more money in a year than all of the parents' of those students combined make in their entire lifetimes. What's $20,000 worth of damage? He can probably afford ten more mansions and yet he's worried about $20,000 worth of damage to one? Sounds like a jerk for someone rolling in money.

Do you ever hear yourself? It's irrelevant how much money he has, he has a reasonable right to his property not being destroyed, and these teenagers don't have the right to vandalize his house and get away with it because he's rich. You know what? Never mind. I want to roll my eyes right now, but the doctor says that if I keep doing it, my ocular muscles might spasm and eject my eyeballs.

The rich steal property from the poor every time they spend more on themselves then they need to according to St. John Chrysostom and no one cares about that. I can't really blame a few kids for getting back at the real criminals.
Except for that nasty verse, "Revenge is Mine, saith the Lord." Even if Mr. Holloway is a criminal (according to St. John Chrysostom), that doesn't make right what those 300 kids did to trash his place.

BTW, would it change your way of thinking if those kids came from rich families?
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« Reply #65 on: October 06, 2013, 09:52:49 PM »

What teenager has a Subaru STi with a straight pipe?

And I thought I was spoiled as a kid...
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« Reply #66 on: October 06, 2013, 09:55:03 PM »



ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #67 on: October 06, 2013, 10:03:21 PM »

Do you ever hear yourself?

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Or for those playing at home who might not be 30 Rock fans:

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« Reply #68 on: October 06, 2013, 10:04:57 PM »

^ your stock is dropping ZZ.
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« Reply #69 on: October 06, 2013, 10:11:30 PM »

Despicable.  Truly despicable.  I'm 50.  Back in the day, kids would tear up, but not like this, and not in such overwhelming numbers.  This generation is different.  It's as though they have no souls.  Seriously.  I look into their eyes, and nothing looks back.
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« Reply #70 on: October 06, 2013, 10:21:32 PM »

Despicable.  Truly despicable.  I'm 50.  Back in the day, kids would tear up, but not like this, and not in such overwhelming numbers.  This generation is different.  It's as though they have no souls.  Seriously.  I look into their eyes, and nothing looks back.
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The young vandals of the OP don't have the excuse of having been unhinged due to the madness that war service can induce.
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« Reply #71 on: October 06, 2013, 10:21:48 PM »

Despicable.  Truly despicable.  I'm 50.  Back in the day, kids would tear up, but not like this, and not in such overwhelming numbers.  This generation is different.  It's as though they have no souls.  Seriously.  I look into their eyes, and nothing looks back.
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« Reply #72 on: October 06, 2013, 10:43:35 PM »

The young vandals of the OP don't have the excuse of having been unhinged due to the madness that war service can induce.
Which is more likely given my post's context, LBK:

1. That I was making the point that our generation is not a twilight zone break into soulless madness past previous ones,

2. Or that I was excusing the actions of the vandals?
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« Reply #73 on: October 06, 2013, 10:50:59 PM »

The young vandals of the OP don't have the excuse of having been unhinged due to the madness that war service can induce.
Which is more likely given my post's context, LBK:

1. That I was making the point that our generation is not a twilight zone break into soulless madness past previous ones,

2. Or that I was excusing the actions of the vandals?

I would say the intent of your post was not excusing the vandals.
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« Reply #74 on: October 07, 2013, 02:09:22 AM »

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