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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #450 on: May 12, 2014, 11:27:29 PM »
I expect that within the next year Francis will become my favorite Pope ever. And with a few more years, who knows, he might even end up my favorite western Christian ever. Go Pope Francis Go!
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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #451 on: May 12, 2014, 11:31:29 PM »
He's a people person
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« Reply #452 on: May 13, 2014, 01:49:35 AM »
I expect that within the next year Francis will become my favorite Pope ever. And with a few more years, who knows, he might even end up my favorite western Christian ever. Go Pope Francis Go!
I am curious.  If you like Pope Francis, you should love Pope Saint John Paul II.  Especially with his lengthy pontificate compared to Pope Francis’ short one.  What makes Pope Francis more appealing to you than Pope JPII?

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« Reply #453 on: May 13, 2014, 08:08:03 AM »
I expect that within the next year Francis will become my favorite Pope ever. And with a few more years, who knows, he might even end up my favorite western Christian ever. Go Pope Francis Go!
I am curious.  If you like Pope Francis, you should love Pope Saint John Paul II.  Especially with his lengthy pontificate compared to Pope Francis’ short one.  What makes Pope Francis more appealing to you than Pope JPII?

For the record, this was a sincere question.  I have not made up my mind on Pope Francis yet.  It's still very early.

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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #454 on: May 13, 2014, 08:45:47 AM »
I was rather disturbed by Pope JPII seemingly poo-pooing the molestation scandal that enveloped the RC Church. Pope Francis seems to be taking the issue more seriously.  That is just my perception though.  I could be wrong.
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« Reply #455 on: May 13, 2014, 09:43:07 AM »
Has pope Francis kissed a Koran yet?
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« Reply #456 on: May 13, 2014, 09:46:44 AM »
Has pope Francis kissed a Koran yet?
Nope, but he kissed a Koran-believing Muslim.
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« Reply #457 on: May 13, 2014, 09:52:36 AM »
Has pope Francis kissed a Koran yet?
Nope, but he kissed a Koran-believing Muslim.
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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #458 on: May 13, 2014, 10:04:37 AM »
"If, for example, an expedition of Martians arrived tomorrow," and one said he wanted to be baptized, "What would happen?" the pope asked May 12 during his early morning Mass at the Domus Sanctae Marthae.

Explaining that he really was talking about Martians, something unimaginable, he said he meant beings that are "green, with long noses and big ears, like in children's drawings."

According to Vatican Radio, Pope Francis said that if the Holy Spirit prompted the most unusual being to seek baptism, who would we be to hinder that person?
Does repentance preclude baptism? If so, I would agree. If they would baptize an "unusual" being, and hope it might lead him to repentance, I would disagree, FWIW.

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« Reply #459 on: May 13, 2014, 10:15:21 AM »
Has pope Francis kissed a Koran yet?
Nope, but he kissed a Koran-believing Muslim.
horrors.
He also hugged and kissed a horribly disfigured person without hesitation to show him true compassion and love.

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« Reply #460 on: May 13, 2014, 10:23:25 AM »
Has pope Francis kissed a Koran yet?
Nope, but he kissed a Koran-believing Muslim.
horrors.
He also hugged and kissed a horribly disfigured person without hesitation to show him true compassion and love.
even more horrors.
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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #461 on: May 13, 2014, 04:18:17 PM »
Has pope Francis kissed a Koran yet?
Nope, but he kissed a Koran-believing Muslim.
horrors.
He also hugged and kissed a horribly disfigured person without hesitation to show him true compassion and love.

He is just imitating his hero, St. Francis of Assisi.
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« Reply #462 on: May 13, 2014, 06:43:46 PM »
Has pope Francis kissed a Koran yet?
Nope, but he kissed a Koran-believing Muslim.
horrors.
He also hugged and kissed a horribly disfigured person without hesitation to show him true compassion and love.

He is just imitating his hero, St. Francis of Assisi.
Just?  Hero?  And is it a bad thing to emulate a Saint and great Christian?  Maybe he was just acting like a Christian should and being an example for others to follow.  Would you or I have been as willing as quickly? 

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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #463 on: May 13, 2014, 07:20:08 PM »
Has pope Francis kissed a Koran yet?
Nope, but he kissed a Koran-believing Muslim.
horrors.
He also hugged and kissed a horribly disfigured person without hesitation to show him true compassion and love.

He is just imitating his hero, St. Francis of Assisi.
Just?  Hero?  And is it a bad thing to emulate a Saint and great Christian?  Maybe he was just acting like a Christian should and being an example for others to follow.  Would you or I have been as willing as quickly?  
Kerdy, I think what we are all trying to say is that it is a good thing that Pope Francis is making the examples that he is making.  Perhaps your sarcasm-o-meter is turned off.  I think Pope Francis' actions are just as if not more important to the RC Church than all the doctrine and dogma that has been argued about in their church for the last 100 years. It certainly adds a level of moral authority that has been seriously deteriorated over the last 20 years or so.
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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #464 on: May 13, 2014, 08:07:58 PM »
Has pope Francis kissed a Koran yet?
Nope, but he kissed a Koran-believing Muslim.
horrors.
He also hugged and kissed a horribly disfigured person without hesitation to show him true compassion and love.

He is just imitating his hero, St. Francis of Assisi.
Just?  Hero?  And is it a bad thing to emulate a Saint and great Christian?  Maybe he was just acting like a Christian should and being an example for others to follow.  Would you or I have been as willing as quickly?  
Kerdy, I think what we are all trying to say is that it is a good thing that Pope Francis is making the examples that he is making.  Perhaps your sarcasm-o-meter is turned off.  I think Pope Francis' actions are just as if not more important to the RC Church than all the doctrine and dogma that has been argued about in their church for the last 100 years. It certainly adds a level of moral authority that has been seriously deteriorated over the last 20 years or so.

It's still all talk.  Benedict XVI defrocked over 200 priests in 4 years...far more than his predecessor did.  As soon as Francis starts taking action, I'll believe he is sincere.  Until then, I'm not impressed with new committees to 'discuss' things and random phone calls to divorced gay mothers/fathers.
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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #465 on: May 13, 2014, 09:53:15 PM »
Has pope Francis kissed a Koran yet?
Nope, but he kissed a Koran-believing Muslim.
horrors.
He also hugged and kissed a horribly disfigured person without hesitation to show him true compassion and love.

He is just imitating his hero, St. Francis of Assisi.
Just?  Hero?  And is it a bad thing to emulate a Saint and great Christian?  Maybe he was just acting like a Christian should and being an example for others to follow.  Would you or I have been as willing as quickly?  
Kerdy, I think what we are all trying to say is that it is a good thing that Pope Francis is making the examples that he is making.  Perhaps your sarcasm-o-meter is turned off.  I think Pope Francis' actions are just as if not more important to the RC Church than all the doctrine and dogma that has been argued about in their church for the last 100 years. It certainly adds a level of moral authority that has been seriously deteriorated over the last 20 years or so.

It's still all talk.  Benedict XVI defrocked over 200 priests in 4 years...far more than his predecessor did.  As soon as Francis starts taking action, I'll believe he is sincere.  Until then, I'm not impressed with new committees to 'discuss' things and random phone calls to divorced gay mothers/fathers.

Wow! Maybe that is why Benedict XVI was urged to resign. Too close to home. Some of the clergy might have feared for their own job.
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« Reply #466 on: May 14, 2014, 12:42:34 AM »
Has pope Francis kissed a Koran yet?
Nope, but he kissed a Koran-believing Muslim.
horrors.
He also hugged and kissed a horribly disfigured person without hesitation to show him true compassion and love.

He is just imitating his hero, St. Francis of Assisi.
Just?  Hero?  And is it a bad thing to emulate a Saint and great Christian?  Maybe he was just acting like a Christian should and being an example for others to follow.  Would you or I have been as willing as quickly?  
Kerdy, I think what we are all trying to say is that it is a good thing that Pope Francis is making the examples that he is making.  Perhaps your sarcasm-o-meter is turned off.  I think Pope Francis' actions are just as if not more important to the RC Church than all the doctrine and dogma that has been argued about in their church for the last 100 years. It certainly adds a level of moral authority that has been seriously deteriorated over the last 20 years or so.

It's still all talk.  Benedict XVI defrocked over 200 priests in 4 years...far more than his predecessor did.  As soon as Francis starts taking action, I'll believe he is sincere.  Until then, I'm not impressed with new committees to 'discuss' things and random phone calls to divorced gay mothers/fathers.

Wow! Maybe that is why Benedict XVI was urged to resign. Too close to home. Some of the clergy might have feared for their own job.

He was urged to resign?  This is new.  Care to explain? 

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« Reply #467 on: May 14, 2014, 12:45:01 AM »
Has pope Francis kissed a Koran yet?
Nope, but he kissed a Koran-believing Muslim.
horrors.
He also hugged and kissed a horribly disfigured person without hesitation to show him true compassion and love.

He is just imitating his hero, St. Francis of Assisi.
Just?  Hero?  And is it a bad thing to emulate a Saint and great Christian?  Maybe he was just acting like a Christian should and being an example for others to follow.  Would you or I have been as willing as quickly?  
Kerdy, I think what we are all trying to say is that it is a good thing that Pope Francis is making the examples that he is making.  Perhaps your sarcasm-o-meter is turned off.  I think Pope Francis' actions are just as if not more important to the RC Church than all the doctrine and dogma that has been argued about in their church for the last 100 years. It certainly adds a level of moral authority that has been seriously deteriorated over the last 20 years or so.

Hmm...I disagree with some of what you have posted here, but I will leave it there for the sake of harmony.  I am glad to see you do not seem to be carrying an axe to grind with Catholics.  :)

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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #468 on: May 14, 2014, 07:16:02 AM »
Has pope Francis kissed a Koran yet?
Nope, but he kissed a Koran-believing Muslim.
horrors.
He also hugged and kissed a horribly disfigured person without hesitation to show him true compassion and love.

He is just imitating his hero, St. Francis of Assisi.
Just?  Hero?  And is it a bad thing to emulate a Saint and great Christian?  Maybe he was just acting like a Christian should and being an example for others to follow.  Would you or I have been as willing as quickly?  
Kerdy, I think what we are all trying to say is that it is a good thing that Pope Francis is making the examples that he is making.  Perhaps your sarcasm-o-meter is turned off.  I think Pope Francis' actions are just as if not more important to the RC Church than all the doctrine and dogma that has been argued about in their church for the last 100 years. It certainly adds a level of moral authority that has been seriously deteriorated over the last 20 years or so.

It's still all talk.  Benedict XVI defrocked over 200 priests in 4 years...far more than his predecessor did.  As soon as Francis starts taking action, I'll believe he is sincere.  Until then, I'm not impressed with new committees to 'discuss' things and random phone calls to divorced gay mothers/fathers.

Wow! Maybe that is why Benedict XVI was urged to resign. Too close to home. Some of the clergy might have feared for their own job.

Pope Benedict XVI did more than most bishops IMO both as Cardinal when he was head of the CDF and later as pope.  Both of which he will not get credit for because he didn't make a huge show of everything like his successor does.  Benedict XVI hugged the handicapped too, but he didn't make convoluted statements on homosexuality so he's evil no matter what...and nevermind the shakeup he caused among the despicable sects of the clergy.

It frustrates me because as things have come to light, his predecessor is given glory despite what's come out but Benedict is still hated by the media.  In the meantime, Francis has done nothing tangible but is treated as the greatest Pope since Gregory the Great.
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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #469 on: May 14, 2014, 07:28:11 AM »
Has pope Francis kissed a Koran yet?
Nope, but he kissed a Koran-believing Muslim.
horrors.
He also hugged and kissed a horribly disfigured person without hesitation to show him true compassion and love.

He is just imitating his hero, St. Francis of Assisi.
Just?  Hero?  And is it a bad thing to emulate a Saint and great Christian?  Maybe he was just acting like a Christian should and being an example for others to follow.  Would you or I have been as willing as quickly?  
Kerdy, I think what we are all trying to say is that it is a good thing that Pope Francis is making the examples that he is making.  Perhaps your sarcasm-o-meter is turned off.  I think Pope Francis' actions are just as if not more important to the RC Church than all the doctrine and dogma that has been argued about in their church for the last 100 years. It certainly adds a level of moral authority that has been seriously deteriorated over the last 20 years or so.

It's still all talk.  Benedict XVI defrocked over 200 priests in 4 years...far more than his predecessor did.  As soon as Francis starts taking action, I'll believe he is sincere.  Until then, I'm not impressed with new committees to 'discuss' things and random phone calls to divorced gay mothers/fathers.

Wow! Maybe that is why Benedict XVI was urged to resign. Too close to home. Some of the clergy might have feared for their own job.

Pope Benedict XVI did more than most bishops IMO both as Cardinal when he was head of the CDF and later as pope.  Both of which he will not get credit for because he didn't make a huge show of everything like his successor does.  Benedict XVI hugged the handicapped too, but he didn't make convoluted statements on homosexuality so he's evil no matter what...and nevermind the shakeup he caused among the despicable sects of the clergy.

It frustrates me because as things have come to light, his predecessor is given glory despite what's come out but Benedict is still hated by the media.  In the meantime, Francis has done nothing tangible but is treated as the greatest Pope since Gregory the Great.

These are good points. I do not dislike Pope Francis, but there really hasn't been enough to evaluate him completely.  I have a lot of respect for Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI.  It's unfortunate he could not have remained pope longer, but he is still in the good fight.  I am beginning to learn the extent of his far reaching influence on the Catholic Church not only as clergy, but as an educator and academic.
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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #470 on: May 17, 2014, 02:42:08 PM »
Has this been discussed here yet?  Pope Francis referring to some Pentecostal minister as a "brother bishop"?  So much for Apostolicae Curae:P
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« Reply #471 on: May 17, 2014, 02:56:06 PM »
Has this been discussed here yet?  Pope Francis referring to some Pentecostal minister as a "brother bishop"?  So much for Apostolicae Curae.  :P


Wow....

But c'mon guys, this pope is so trendy!  Look how cool and with it he is!  Not like the other 265 meanie popes!  Anyway, that's bizarre and most of the Protestant comments I've read are far from receptive.  Pope Francis should send a video (or instagram, tweet or whatever else) to the SSPX if that's his new thang.
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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #472 on: May 17, 2014, 03:48:44 PM »
Has this been discussed here yet?  Pope Francis referring to some Pentecostal minister as a "brother bishop"?  So much for Apostolicae Curae.  :P


Wow....

But c'mon guys, this pope is so trendy!  Look how cool and with it he is!  Not like the other 265 meanie popes!  Anyway, that's bizarre and most of the Protestant comments I've read are far from receptive.  Pope Francis should send a video (or instagram, tweet or whatever else) to the SSPX if that's his new thang.

I tend to agree with Hamaratolos, but also the dust has really yet to settle. I do fear that Pope Benedict provided the east and west the best chance to narrow their differences - not bridge them, but narrow them - an important distinction - and that Pope Francis really is not that interested in the Orthodox as we are the antithesis of 'trendy.' Pope Benedict was and is among the most important Roman theologians in centuries who understood Patristics, Liturgics  and the eastern point of view and who respected it as having equal weight (from his perspective) with that of the west. I do not see an intellectual side of the current Pope which in any way approaches that of his predecessor.

Pope Benedict would NEVER have addressed a Pentecostal preacher as a 'brother bishop.' I think Pope Benedict's life's work makes it clear that he did truly feel that the Orthodox were his brothers - and that the Patriarchs of the east were his peers. Pope Francis has yet to demonstrate this in any way. This coming week and who it is orchestrated will reveal much in that regard.

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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #473 on: May 17, 2014, 04:48:16 PM »
Has this been discussed here yet?  Pope Francis referring to some Pentecostal minister as a "brother bishop"?  So much for Apostolicae Curae:P


It was mentioned, but I don't think much discussed. It pierces my heart with a rusty fishhook of false ecumenism, so please let us cover the Pope's sin and not speak of it again! ;)
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« Reply #474 on: May 17, 2014, 04:50:14 PM »
Has this been discussed here yet?  Pope Francis referring to some Pentecostal minister as a "brother bishop"?  So much for Apostolicae Curae:P


It was mentioned, but I don't think much discussed. It pierces my heart with a rusty fishhook of false ecumenism, so please let us cover the Pope's sin and not speak of it again! ;)

Much like we were asked to cover "St." Pope John Paul II's sin when he kissed the Quran?
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« Reply #475 on: May 17, 2014, 04:53:43 PM »
You are not keeping things covered...  :angel:
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« Reply #476 on: May 17, 2014, 05:02:27 PM »
Has this been discussed here yet?  Pope Francis referring to some Pentecostal minister as a "brother bishop"?  So much for Apostolicae Curae.  :P


Wow....

But c'mon guys, this pope is so trendy!  Look how cool and with it he is!  Not like the other 265 meanie popes!  Anyway, that's bizarre and most of the Protestant comments I've read are far from receptive.  Pope Francis should send a video (or instagram, tweet or whatever else) to the SSPX if that's his new thang.

Pope Benedict would NEVER have addressed a Pentecostal preacher as a 'brother bishop.' I think Pope Benedict's life's work makes it clear that he did truly feel that the Orthodox were his brothers - and that the Patriarchs of the east were his peers. Pope Francis has yet to demonstrate this in any way. This coming week and who it is orchestrated will reveal much in that regard.

Lord have mercy. With Pope Francis bringing his "brother" Rabbi and "brother" Muslim to meet the EP only a few days hence, we need to triple our prayers. Lord have mercy.
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« Reply #477 on: May 17, 2014, 05:05:11 PM »
You are not keeping things covered...  :angel:

Where is the repentance for said deed?
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« Reply #478 on: May 17, 2014, 05:07:49 PM »
You are not keeping things covered...  :angel:

Where is the repentance for said deed?

God knows!
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« Reply #479 on: May 17, 2014, 05:09:57 PM »
You are not keeping things covered...  :angel:

Where is the repentance for said deed?

God knows!

Yes, and regarding scandalous sins, Christ did mention that millstone.
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« Reply #480 on: May 17, 2014, 05:13:17 PM »
You are not keeping things covered...  :angel:

Where is the repentance for said deed?

God knows!7

Yes, and regarding scandalous sins, Christ did mention that millstone.

And that the measure you judge others with will be used to judge you. Good luck!
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« Reply #481 on: May 17, 2014, 05:24:00 PM »
You are not keeping things covered...  :angel:

Where is the repentance for said deed?

God knows!7

Yes, and regarding scandalous sins, Christ did mention that millstone.

And that the measure you judge others with will be used to judge you. Good luck!

And if we ignore evil, and join with the evildoers, we will be rewarded with hell.
Listen we are to discern good from evil. That is not judging.
We are to pray and plead for God's mercy. That is not judging.

I do pray for the Pope.
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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #482 on: May 17, 2014, 05:32:35 PM »
It pierces my heart with a rusty fishhook of false ecumenism, so please let us cover the Pope's sin and not speak of it again! ;)

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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #483 on: July 10, 2014, 03:51:33 PM »
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(RNS) What does it take to produce the first-ever papal high-five? A meeting with American televangelists, apparently.

The gesture came during a three-hour meeting of Pope Francis and Texas televangelists Kenneth Copeland and James Robison, just weeks after the pontiff met with televangelist Joel Osteen and other religious leaders. At the June 24 meeting, Robison said he was so moved by Pope Francis’ message of the gospel that he asked the translator to ask Francis for a high-five. The pope obliged, raised his arm and the two men smacked hands.

http://www.religionnews.com/2014/07/09/pope-francis-meets-u-s-televangelist-first-ever-papal-high-five-follows/
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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #484 on: July 10, 2014, 06:09:10 PM »
The Pope giving high fives to the spiritual children of those who destroyed churches - what strange times we live in....   :-\

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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #485 on: July 22, 2014, 04:50:28 PM »
I wonder how much Pope Francis knows about Kenneth Copeland...
I think the Pope is friends with the Anglican-ish bishop, Tony Palmer, who spoke at Copeland's conference and asked the Pope to say a few words on Christian unity. I doubt the Pope would have sought out Copeland (or any other Pentecostal) otherwise. I think Copeland baptizes in the Trinitarian manner, so he's (still) officially Christian.

Update:

"(RNS) Bishop Tony Palmer, a charismatic preacher who used a cellphone camera to record Pope Francis issuing an appeal for Christian unity between Catholics and evangelicals, died Sunday (July 20) after a motorcycle crash in the United Kingdom."
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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #486 on: July 24, 2014, 10:43:57 AM »
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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #487 on: July 24, 2014, 03:54:41 PM »
The Pope giving high fives to the spiritual children of those who destroyed churches - what strange times we live in....   :-\

Well those churches were too rich and extravagant and do not reflect the values of a "poor church" (whatever that means).  The people should be content to pray in the rubble. [/sarcasm]
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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #488 on: July 28, 2014, 04:23:57 PM »
CASERTA, Italy (RNS) Pope Francis sought forgiveness for decades of persecution of Italian Pentecostals when he met with around 300 evangelicals from the U.S., Argentina and Italy in the southern town of Caserta on Monday (July 28).
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“Catholics were among those who persecuted and denounced the Pentecostals, almost as if they were crazy,” Francis said.

“I am the shepherd of the Catholics and I ask you to forgive my Catholic brothers and sisters who did not understand and were tempted by the devil.”
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One participant said it was a very emotional moment when the pope asked forgiveness, and “everyone was in tears.”
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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #489 on: July 28, 2014, 04:26:20 PM »
It's really funny listening to Catholic neo-conservatives try and justify charismatism infiltrating the Catholic Church because they have to always agree with the establishment. It sounds so awkward and forced.
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« Reply #490 on: July 30, 2014, 09:26:54 AM »
In an interview published Sunday in part in the Argentine weekly Viva, the pope listed his Top 10 tips for bringing greater joy to one's life:

1. "Live and let live." Everyone should be guided by this principle, he said, which has a similar expression in Rome with the saying, "Move forward and let others do the same."
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6. Find innovative ways to create dignified jobs for young people. "We need to be creative with young people. If they have no opportunities they will get into drugs" and be more vulnerable to suicide, he said.
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9. Don't proselytize; respect others' beliefs. "We can inspire others through witness so that one grows together in communicating. But the worst thing of all is religious proselytism, which paralyzes: 'I am talking with you in order to persuade you,' No. Each person dialogues, starting with his and her own identity. The church grows by attraction, not proselytizing," the pope said.
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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #491 on: July 30, 2014, 11:51:16 AM »
In an interview published Sunday in part in the Argentine weekly Viva, the pope listed his Top 10 tips for bringing greater joy to one's life:

1. "Live and let live." Everyone should be guided by this principle, he said, which has a similar expression in Rome with the saying, "Move forward and let others do the same."
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6. Find innovative ways to create dignified jobs for young people. "We need to be creative with young people. If they have no opportunities they will get into drugs" and be more vulnerable to suicide, he said.
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9. Don't proselytize; respect others' beliefs. "We can inspire others through witness so that one grows together in communicating. But the worst thing of all is religious proselytism, which paralyzes: 'I am talking with you in order to persuade you,' No. Each person dialogues, starting with his and her own identity. The church grows by attraction, not proselytizing," the pope said.

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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #492 on: July 30, 2014, 11:53:02 AM »
Has this been discussed here yet?  Pope Francis referring to some Pentecostal minister as a "brother bishop"?  So much for Apostolicae Curae.  :P


Wow....

But c'mon guys, this pope is so trendy!  Look how cool and with it he is!  Not like the other 265 meanie popes!  Anyway, that's bizarre and most of the Protestant comments I've read are far from receptive.  Pope Francis should send a video (or instagram, tweet or whatever else) to the SSPX if that's his new thang.

I tend to agree with Hamaratolos, but also the dust has really yet to settle. I do fear that Pope Benedict provided the east and west the best chance to narrow their differences - not bridge them, but narrow them - an important distinction - and that Pope Francis really is not that interested in the Orthodox as we are the antithesis of 'trendy.' Pope Benedict was and is among the most important Roman theologians in centuries who understood Patristics, Liturgics  and the eastern point of view and who respected it as having equal weight (from his perspective) with that of the west. I do not see an intellectual side of the current Pope which in any way approaches that of his predecessor.

Pope Benedict would NEVER have addressed a Pentecostal preacher as a 'brother bishop.' I think Pope Benedict's life's work makes it clear that he did truly feel that the Orthodox were his brothers - and that the Patriarchs of the east were his peers. Pope Francis has yet to demonstrate this in any way. This coming week and who it is orchestrated will reveal much in that regard.
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« Reply #493 on: July 30, 2014, 11:57:25 AM »
sigh...

Thus is quite un-live-and-let-live...  8)
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Re: On Francis.....
« Reply #494 on: July 30, 2014, 02:17:03 PM »
Has this been discussed here yet?  Pope Francis referring to some Pentecostal minister as a "brother bishop"?  So much for Apostolicae Curae.  :P


Wow....

But c'mon guys, this pope is so trendy!  Look how cool and with it he is!  Not like the other 265 meanie popes!  Anyway, that's bizarre and most of the Protestant comments I've read are far from receptive.  Pope Francis should send a video (or instagram, tweet or whatever else) to the SSPX if that's his new thang.

I tend to agree with Hamaratolos, but also the dust has really yet to settle. I do fear that Pope Benedict provided the east and west the best chance to narrow their differences - not bridge them, but narrow them - an important distinction - and that Pope Francis really is not that interested in the Orthodox as we are the antithesis of 'trendy.' Pope Benedict was and is among the most important Roman theologians in centuries who understood Patristics, Liturgics  and the eastern point of view and who respected it as having equal weight (from his perspective) with that of the west. I do not see an intellectual side of the current Pope which in any way approaches that of his predecessor.

Pope Benedict would NEVER have addressed a Pentecostal preacher as a 'brother bishop.' I think Pope Benedict's life's work makes it clear that he did truly feel that the Orthodox were his brothers - and that the Patriarchs of the east were his peers. Pope Francis has yet to demonstrate this in any way. This coming week and who it is orchestrated will reveal much in that regard.
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I'm not so sure about the comparisons between two popes, one way or the other. Pope Francis is Pope and he wishes to address others by the titles they call themselves. Let it be. Its like the issue of how to address an Anglican bishop... For the most part they don't have apostolic succession (I think only exists through the old Catholics and those made bishops via them and maybe one or two other means) however I still call the archbishop of Johannesburg by his title in his church not out of belief of him being an actual bishop but rather out of respect. I really just see it as him being respectful.
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