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Thomas A. Idinopulos, “El Greco”
« on: September 20, 2013, 03:15:44 AM »
Was Thomas A. Idinopulos, a religious scholar at Miami University, Orthodox? Should his writings be considered reflecting Orthodox thinking?

In his book Betrayal of Spirit, p. xv, he writes that his family was Greek Orthodox and regularly attended Sunday church but was not especially religious. He got a  PhD from the University of Chicago Divinity School. You can read a list of his books here: http://www.amazon.com/Thomas-A.-Idinopulos/e/B001JOKJZW

A 2000 article said he was Greek Orthodox.
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2000/06/19/loc_miami_offers_minor.html

A memorial article hinted that he was Orthodox but seemed Protestant in his mannerisms or approach.
http://rsnonline.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=554&Itemid=639

He wrote a book in 2007, Betrayal of the Spirit that talks about theology, mentioning a concept that Orthodox writers have rarely mentioned, and I would like to see if he comes from an Orthodox position.

I assume he considered himself Orthodox continuously, since he wrote a book review on an Orthodox book in 2009:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+Cambridge+Companion+to+Orthodox+Christian+Theology.-a0209405532

His writings on Orthodoxy though, like on the Holy Fire, seem to have a negative side in my impression.

His 2010 obituary said his funeral would be in a Presbyterian church though:
http://www.meaningfulfunerals.net/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=554833&fh_id=12071&s_id=2D00113889130C2AC92CA981A2B2EFFD

I don't really understand why. His wife was Israeli, so does that suggest he wasn't able to marry in an Orthodox church? Orthodox churches in America don't do inter-faith weddings?
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Re: Thomas A. Idinopulos, “El Greco”
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2013, 03:19:40 AM »
From the obituary (second link)

Suddenly, in the winter and spring of 2009, El Greco and I began an intense series of e-mails. I forget why, but I started it. “Jake: I am utterly delighted that you thought of e-mailing me. I bless you in His or Her name.”

That, alone, is enough for me to scotch any credibility of his as an Orthodox "theologian".  :P :P
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Re: Thomas A. Idinopulos, “El Greco”
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Re: Thomas A. Idinopulos, “El Greco”
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2013, 05:10:30 AM »
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Re: Thomas A. Idinopulos, “El Greco”
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Re: Thomas A. Idinopulos, “El Greco”
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2013, 06:14:50 AM »
The Orthodox Church is an element of national identity for a lot of the Greek diaspora, who cling to the socio-ritual aspect even if they have drifted away from the theology. I wouldn't be surprised if the good professor saw little reason to change his nominal affiliation. Such affiliation, though, would be enough to colour his understanding and writing.

As for the wife issue, unless there is proof to the contrary, I bet they had a civil wedding and Church permission never came into the picture.
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Re: Thomas A. Idinopulos, “El Greco”
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2013, 08:00:48 AM »
The Orthodox Church is an element of national identity for a lot of the Greek diaspora, who cling to the socio-ritual aspect even if they have drifted away from the theology. I wouldn't be surprised if the good professor saw little reason to change his nominal affiliation. Such affiliation, though, would be enough to colour his understanding and writing.

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Re: Thomas A. Idinopulos, “El Greco”
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2013, 09:34:38 AM »
Dr. Idinopulos writes about the book "A Guest in the House of Israel":
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What is the basic Christian theological anti-Judaic teaching of contempt? Williamson's answer is Supersessionism: that the revelation of God in Jesus Christ surpassed and therefore canceled the on-going validity of revelation of God to the Biblical people of Israel.
Would you respond by pointing to St. John's Revelations and say that revelation continued among the Church, which is in turn a continuation of Israel?

He adds:
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The teaching of contempt is forcefully conveyed in the message that Israel is judged, found guilty, and was eternally punished for rejecting her own messianic King, Jesus proclaimed the Christ (Messiah).
How can that be if the Church considered itself Israel? Or did some Church fathers really talk that way?
His mention about "eternally" must be wrong because St. John Chrysostom predicted their salvation.
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Re: Thomas A. Idinopulos, “El Greco”
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2013, 01:49:46 PM »
Was Thomas A. Idinopulos, a religious scholar at Miami University, Orthodox? Should his writings be considered reflecting Orthodox thinking?

In his book Betrayal of Spirit, p. xv, he writes that his family was Greek Orthodox and regularly attended Sunday church but was not especially religious. He got a  PhD from the University of Chicago Divinity School. You can read a list of his books here: http://www.amazon.com/Thomas-A.-Idinopulos/e/B001JOKJZW

A 2000 article said he was Greek Orthodox.
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2000/06/19/loc_miami_offers_minor.html

A memorial article hinted that he was Orthodox but seemed Protestant in his mannerisms or approach.
http://rsnonline.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=554&Itemid=639

He wrote a book in 2007, Betrayal of the Spirit that talks about theology, mentioning a concept that Orthodox writers have rarely mentioned, and I would like to see if he comes from an Orthodox position.

I assume he considered himself Orthodox continuously, since he wrote a book review on an Orthodox book in 2009:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+Cambridge+Companion+to+Orthodox+Christian+Theology.-a0209405532

His writings on Orthodoxy though, like on the Holy Fire, seem to have a negative side in my impression.

His 2010 obituary said his funeral would be in a Presbyterian church though:
http://www.meaningfulfunerals.net/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=554833&fh_id=12071&s_id=2D00113889130C2AC92CA981A2B2EFFD

I don't really understand why. His wife was Israeli, so does that suggest he wasn't able to marry in an Orthodox church? Orthodox churches in America don't do inter-faith weddings?

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Re: Thomas A. Idinopulos, “El Greco”
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2013, 01:51:24 PM »
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