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Re: A Big Heart Open to God: The exclusive interview with Pope Francis
« Reply #45 on: September 25, 2013, 01:09:38 PM »
By all means, end abortion, I just think a lot of the RC pro-life strategy involves an emphasis on "stopping murder" and political action/party politics.  There's little thought devoted to the wider context, and when someone does this, it is usually greeted with nothing more than an "Amen, brutha" and/or consternation that not enough was said to denounce child-murder using approved buzzwords or phrases such as "protection of all human life from conception to natural death" which demonstrate one's loyalty to the cause.  

  People are going to procure abortions whether it is legal or not.   This has been true throughout history.  Conservative catholics want to be able to wash their hands of the issue by saying "I voted for a politician that said he was against abortion"... as if that fulfills the duty to be "pro-life" in a meaningful sense, and it's just nonsense.  Superficial piety like this won't withstand scrutiny in this day and age.

 
Oh please. If abortion were illegal, you know very well it would harder to procure one, and there would be less of them. Besides, if a government doesn't legally forbid and punish murder, what the heck is a government for?
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Re: A Big Heart Open to God: The exclusive interview with Pope Francis
« Reply #46 on: September 25, 2013, 01:49:15 PM »
By all means, end abortion, I just think a lot of the RC pro-life strategy involves an emphasis on "stopping murder" and political action/party politics.  There's little thought devoted to the wider context, and when someone does this, it is usually greeted with nothing more than an "Amen, brutha" and/or consternation that not enough was said to denounce child-murder using approved buzzwords or phrases such as "protection of all human life from conception to natural death" which demonstrate one's loyalty to the cause.  

  People are going to procure abortions whether it is legal or not.   This has been true throughout history.  Conservative catholics want to be able to wash their hands of the issue by saying "I voted for a politician that said he was against abortion"... as if that fulfills the duty to be "pro-life" in a meaningful sense, and it's just nonsense.  Superficial piety like this won't withstand scrutiny in this day and age.

 
Oh please. If abortion were illegal, you know very well it would harder to procure one, and there would be less of them. Besides, if a government doesn't legally forbid and punish murder, what the heck is a government for?

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Without support for all of the Catholic Church's moral and social teachings, particularly with respect to endemic poverty issues, affordable and accessible health care, education and elder care, it is a whole lot of superficial feel good piety.This holds true for the Orthodox as well. Like an old Orthodox priest friend of mine likes to remind his flock, "Yes - the right to life begins at conception. However, it doesn't end at birth."

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Re: A Big Heart Open to God: The exclusive interview with Pope Francis
« Reply #47 on: September 25, 2013, 04:03:10 PM »
A very important sentence was inadvertently left out of the English translation of Pope Francis' interview:

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In its historic 12,000-word interview with Pope Francis released last week, America magazine "inadvertently" omitted a sentence from the pope's comments about the role of women in the church, the magazine's editor-in-chief said.

When Jesuit Fr. Antonio Spadaro asked Francis, "What should be the role of women in the church?", Francis replied, "'It is necessary to broaden the opportunities for a stronger presence of women in the church." This sentence was left out of the English translation of the interview America published. The sentence appears in the original Italian article and in the French, German and Spanish translations.
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Re: A Big Heart Open to God: The exclusive interview with Pope Francis
« Reply #48 on: September 25, 2013, 07:14:13 PM »
Oh please. If abortion were illegal, you know very well it would harder to procure one, and there would be less of them. Besides, if a government doesn't legally forbid and punish murder, what the heck is a government for?

  You'll never catch me being a fan of abortion, but I don't think banning abortion is a free lunch without social costs.

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Re: A Big Heart Open to God: The exclusive interview with Pope Francis
« Reply #49 on: September 28, 2013, 06:38:46 PM »
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Moral teaching makes sense only in the context of an economy of mercy. That this is news tells me we Christians have much work to do! #Pope
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Re: A Big Heart Open to God: The exclusive interview with Pope Francis
« Reply #50 on: September 28, 2013, 11:58:30 PM »
Fr. Maximos on Twitter: ‏@MaximHieromonk
Moral teaching makes sense only in the context of an economy of mercy. That this is news tells me we Christians have much work to do! #Pope

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