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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2013, 10:26:17 PM »
Do you ever remove your wrist chotki? Or do you keep it on always as a sign of prayer without ceasing? Or is that only for monks?


Only ever remove it to flog heretics with it......

Then you best be wearing a 500-knot one made up of semi-precious stones.


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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2013, 10:35:01 PM »
I don't like this sentiment at all. I find it very possible and good to do both. When I use a prayer rope in church, it is mostly to keep my attention focused on praying, and not all the noise from kids or the flashing of cameras, etc. It is something physical--touching a knot--that helps me pray--and I don't at all tune out the prayers of the liturgy. Rather, I'd be tuning them out if I were trying to combat all the other distractions. So, maybe it's true of some that actually use the prayer rope in church that it makes the liturgy "ambient noise," To me, it seems a complaint of those who have never used a prayer rope in church.

The comment you responded to with this was, admittedly, a caricature.  But I've elaborated on my thoughts in subsequent posts and stand by them.  

To a great extent this is a personal issue.  If you can use the prayer rope and pray the Jesus Prayer without losing one's concentration on the Liturgy, then good.  Personally, I can't use the rope while in the Liturgy, even if I can use the Jesus Prayer.  Perhaps others can't do any of it while in the Liturgy.  Whatever is beneficial for a person should be what they do.  But presumably they're doing this with some sort of input from their priest, and if the parish priest determines that there is some important reason why he should enforce a particular form of "ban" in his community, I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt rather than calling him a heretic who doesn't understand Orthodoxy, monasticism, prayer, Jesus, or anything else.    

I doubt St. Ignatiy is emphasized at seminary, if he is read at all in the coursework. I don't think it is something of the priest's own, but rather something he was taught or picked up. It is quite common.

There's a lot to learn in three years of seminary, it's impossible to pick up everything.  Ideally, this is why we don't ordain converts until they've grown some within the Church: seminary should be to supplement what you received in your active Church life, not a three year post-chrismation catechumenate on steroids so that you can be ordained by commencement.    

So I wouldn't say that Brianchaninov is emphasised at seminary, but he is certainly not unknown.  While I was there, I read On the Prayer of Jesus (on my own initiative) and whatever excerpts were in Igumen Chariton's The Art of Prayer (this was part of a class requirement), and The Arena was very enthusiastically recommended to us for regular, continuous reading.  That's more attention than other saints got.  
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2013, 10:49:58 PM »
Do you ever remove your wrist chotki? Or do you keep it on always as a sign of prayer without ceasing? Or is that only for monks?


Only ever remove it to flog heretics with it......


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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2013, 10:51:24 PM »
Do you ever remove your wrist chotki? Or do you keep it on always as a sign of prayer without ceasing? Or is that only for monks?


Only ever remove it to flog heretics with it......



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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2013, 11:02:54 PM »
Nothing gets my blood pumping like Tibetan dudes ritualistically debating ideas no one has believed in 2000 years.

Maybe we should also do some ritualistic reenacting: St. Nicholas vs. Arius, St. Cyril vs. Nestorius, St. Gregory Palamas vs. Varlaam & Akyndinos, St. Mark vs. the Latins, Archpriest Avvakum vs. Pat. Nikon. Might quench a bit the urge for heretic blood... Not to mention LARPer instincts. Plus, it'd be a great way to do catechesis.  8)
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2013, 11:15:18 PM »
Nothing gets my blood pumping like Tibetan dudes ritualistically debating ideas no one has believed in 2000 years.

Maybe we should also do some ritualistic reenacting: St. Nicholas vs. Arius, St. Cyril vs. Nestorius, St. Gregory Palamas vs. Varlaam & Akyndinos, St. Mark vs. the Latins, Archpriest Avvakum vs. Pat. Nikon. Might quench a bit the urge for heretic blood... Not to mention LARPer instincts. Plus, it'd be a great way to do catechesis.  8)

I got dibs on St. Justinian. LBK can be the pope.  8)
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #51 on: August 27, 2013, 11:16:28 PM »
I got dibs on St. Justinian. LBK can be the pope.  8)

I don't want to be the non-Chalcedonians!  :P
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #52 on: August 27, 2013, 11:19:05 PM »
I got dibs on St. Justinian. LBK can be the pope.  8)

I don't want to be the non-Chalcedonians!  :P

You can be St. Theodora the Empress.  ;)
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #53 on: August 27, 2013, 11:31:43 PM »
Nothing gets my blood pumping like Tibetan dudes ritualistically debating ideas no one has believed in 2000 years.

Maybe we should also do some ritualistic reenacting: St. Nicholas vs. Arius, St. Cyril vs. Nestorius, St. Gregory Palamas vs. Varlaam & Akyndinos, St. Mark vs. the Latins, Archpriest Avvakum vs. Pat. Nikon. Might quench a bit the urge for heretic blood... Not to mention LARPer instincts. Plus, it'd be a great way to do catechesis.  8)

I got dibs on St. Justinian. LBK can be the pope.  8)

Justinian? Nah. Wrong emperor. I'll take on Theophilus, who was married to Theodora.  :laugh:
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #54 on: August 27, 2013, 11:32:43 PM »
I got dibs on St. Justinian. LBK can be the pope.  8)

I don't want to be the non-Chalcedonians!  :P

Should I take that as a compliment?  ;) :laugh:
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #55 on: August 27, 2013, 11:48:29 PM »
Justinian? Nah. Wrong emperor. I'll take on Theophilus, who was married to Theodora.  :laugh:

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Um...  ;)
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #56 on: August 28, 2013, 12:08:39 AM »
Justinian? Nah. Wrong emperor. I'll take on Theophilus, who was married to Theodora.  :laugh:

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You can be St. Theodora the Empress.  ;)

Um...  ;)

There's always St Kassiane the Hymnographer, who was also a staunch defender of icons, and, unlike Empress Theodora, wasn't afraid of hiding it.  :laugh:
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #57 on: August 28, 2013, 08:31:38 AM »
I just wanted to pop in to apologize to PtA for my "heretic" remark regarding his priest "strictly forbidding" the use of the prayer rope in church.  I stand by the other comments I have made on this subject and I do find this policy to be very problematic, but my "heretic" comment caused more trouble than I intended and was not productive to the thread.

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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #58 on: August 28, 2013, 05:11:29 PM »
I just wanted to pop in to apologize to PtA for my "heretic" remark regarding his priest "strictly forbidding" the use of the prayer rope in church.  I stand by the other comments I have made on this subject and I do find this policy to be very problematic, but my "heretic" comment caused more trouble than I intended and was not productive to the thread.
Honestly, until you recant all your criticism of my priest's policy as judgment of that which you know nothing about except for what little I have shared here, your apology rings hollow to me. Calling my priest a heretic is really just the tip of the iceberg. You know nothing of the realities of life in my parish, and I've quite intentionally only scratched the surface of my priest's point of view, so you really have no basis for any of your hasty judgments of my priest's policies.
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #59 on: August 28, 2013, 05:59:44 PM »
I have a few that I've acquired over the years.  I like one in particular because it's made by a friend who no longer posts here.  The only one I used to wear was a small 'bracelet' type.  And I only wore it as a conversation starter. 

 PetertheAleut,

 I'm curious as to why your priest doesn't like his parishioners to wear them?  My priest (same jurisdiction as yours) has actually told us to wear them (that is, if we intend to use them).  My guess is that he's trying to encourage us to say the Jesus Prayer.  I'm sincerely curious and not asking to argue.  :)
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #60 on: August 28, 2013, 06:23:30 PM »
I have a few that I've acquired over the years.  I like one in particular because it's made by a friend who no longer posts here.  The only one I used to wear was a small 'bracelet' type.  And I only wore it as a conversation starter. 

 PetertheAleut,

 I'm curious as to why your priest doesn't like his parishioners to wear them?  My priest (same jurisdiction as yours) has actually told us to wear them (that is, if we intend to use them).  My guess is that he's trying to encourage us to say the Jesus Prayer.  I'm sincerely curious and not asking to argue.  :)
I think Mor Ephrem has summed up my priest's position sufficiently for this discussion.

Do note that I mentioned only that my priest does not want people wearing their prayer ropes in church during our parish liturgical services. He has said that if people want to wear and use their prayer ropes at home in their private prayers, he has no problem with that.
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #61 on: August 28, 2013, 06:34:46 PM »
I have a few that I've acquired over the years.  I like one in particular because it's made by a friend who no longer posts here.  The only one I used to wear was a small 'bracelet' type.  And I only wore it as a conversation starter. 

 PetertheAleut,

 I'm curious as to why your priest doesn't like his parishioners to wear them?  My priest (same jurisdiction as yours) has actually told us to wear them (that is, if we intend to use them).  My guess is that he's trying to encourage us to say the Jesus Prayer.  I'm sincerely curious and not asking to argue.  :)
I think Mor Ephrem has summed up my priest's position sufficiently for this discussion.

Do note that I mentioned only that my priest does not want people wearing their prayer ropes in church during our parish liturgical services. He has said that if people want to wear and use their prayer ropes at home in their private prayers, he has no problem with that.
It is a disturbing trend when we feel that we can judge a priest's actions and relation to God based on a few second-hand comments on a website. I don't understand why my priest does all the things he does, but I know he is a good man and I trust that the advice he gives is sound and beneficial for my faith.
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #62 on: August 28, 2013, 06:59:25 PM »
I have a few that I've acquired over the years.  I like one in particular because it's made by a friend who no longer posts here.  The only one I used to wear was a small 'bracelet' type.  And I only wore it as a conversation starter. 

 PetertheAleut,

 I'm curious as to why your priest doesn't like his parishioners to wear them?  My priest (same jurisdiction as yours) has actually told us to wear them (that is, if we intend to use them).  My guess is that he's trying to encourage us to say the Jesus Prayer.  I'm sincerely curious and not asking to argue.  :)
I think Mor Ephrem has summed up my priest's position sufficiently for this discussion.

Do note that I mentioned only that my priest does not want people wearing their prayer ropes in church during our parish liturgical services. He has said that if people want to wear and use their prayer ropes at home in their private prayers, he has no problem with that.
It is a disturbing trend when we feel that we can judge a priest's actions and relation to God based on a few second-hand comments on a website.
Agreed. :(

I don't understand why my priest does all the things he does, but I know he is a good man and I trust that the advice he gives is sound and beneficial for my faith.
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #63 on: August 28, 2013, 07:51:57 PM »
I just wanted to pop in to apologize to PtA for my "heretic" remark regarding his priest "strictly forbidding" the use of the prayer rope in church.  I stand by the other comments I have made on this subject and I do find this policy to be very problematic, but my "heretic" comment caused more trouble than I intended and was not productive to the thread.
Honestly, until you recant all your criticism of my priest's policy as judgment of that which you know nothing about except for what little I have shared here, your apology rings hollow to me. Calling my priest a heretic is really just the tip of the iceberg. You know nothing of the realities of life in my parish, and I've quite intentionally only scratched the surface of my priest's point of view, so you really have no basis for any of your hasty judgments of my priest's policies.

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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #64 on: August 28, 2013, 07:54:24 PM »
Maybe in our next thread we can have priests who strictly forbid fasting because it started out as a monastic practice. Then if someone objects we can take personal pot-shots without offering any sort of real rebuttal and everyone can commence the usual circlejerk about how clever their constant satirical posts are all agree.  After all, fasting pre-dates Orthodox monasticism.  Someone who thinks otherwise is ignorant and needs to read more books.

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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #65 on: August 28, 2013, 08:02:11 PM »
I just wanted to pop in to apologize to PtA for my "heretic" remark regarding his priest "strictly forbidding" the use of the prayer rope in church.  I stand by the other comments I have made on this subject and I do find this policy to be very problematic, but my "heretic" comment caused more trouble than I intended and was not productive to the thread.
Honestly, until you recant all your criticism of my priest's policy as judgment of that which you know nothing about except for what little I have shared here, your apology rings hollow to me. Calling my priest a heretic is really just the tip of the iceberg. You know nothing of the realities of life in my parish, and I've quite intentionally only scratched the surface of my priest's point of view, so you really have no basis for any of your hasty judgments of my priest's policies.

Well your priest's policies are wrong, so you probably will not get an apology from jah for correcting them.

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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #66 on: August 28, 2013, 08:12:26 PM »
I just wanted to pop in to apologize to PtA for my "heretic" remark regarding his priest "strictly forbidding" the use of the prayer rope in church.  I stand by the other comments I have made on this subject and I do find this policy to be very problematic, but my "heretic" comment caused more trouble than I intended and was not productive to the thread.
Honestly, until you recant all your criticism of my priest's policy as judgment of that which you know nothing about except for what little I have shared here, your apology rings hollow to me. Calling my priest a heretic is really just the tip of the iceberg. You know nothing of the realities of life in my parish, and I've quite intentionally only scratched the surface of my priest's point of view, so you really have no basis for any of your hasty judgments of my priest's policies.

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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #67 on: August 28, 2013, 08:16:45 PM »
I just wanted to pop in to apologize to PtA for my "heretic" remark regarding his priest "strictly forbidding" the use of the prayer rope in church.  I stand by the other comments I have made on this subject and I do find this policy to be very problematic, but my "heretic" comment caused more trouble than I intended and was not productive to the thread.
Honestly, until you recant all your criticism of my priest's policy as judgment of that which you know nothing about except for what little I have shared here, your apology rings hollow to me. Calling my priest a heretic is really just the tip of the iceberg. You know nothing of the realities of life in my parish, and I've quite intentionally only scratched the surface of my priest's point of view, so you really have no basis for any of your hasty judgments of my priest's policies.

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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #68 on: August 28, 2013, 08:16:51 PM »
I just wanted to pop in to apologize to PtA for my "heretic" remark regarding his priest "strictly forbidding" the use of the prayer rope in church.  I stand by the other comments I have made on this subject and I do find this policy to be very problematic, but my "heretic" comment caused more trouble than I intended and was not productive to the thread.
Honestly, until you recant all your criticism of my priest's policy as judgment of that which you know nothing about except for what little I have shared here, your apology rings hollow to me. Calling my priest a heretic is really just the tip of the iceberg. You know nothing of the realities of life in my parish, and I've quite intentionally only scratched the surface of my priest's point of view, so you really have no basis for any of your hasty judgments of my priest's policies.

Well your priest's policies are wrong, so you probably will not get an apology from jah for correcting them.
How wet is that chrism on your forehead? Oh, that's right. You haven't even been chrismated yet.

Your priest's position is in direct contradiction to the traditional Orthodox use of prayer ropes. You should man up and accept the fact.
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #69 on: August 28, 2013, 08:21:23 PM »
Maybe in our next thread we can have priests who strictly forbid fasting because it started out as a monastic practice. Then if someone objects we can take personal pot-shots without offering any sort of real rebuttal and everyone can commence the usual circlejerk about how clever their constant satirical posts are all agree.  After all, fasting pre-dates Orthodox monasticism.  Someone who thinks otherwise is ignorant and needs to read more books.

Fixed. 

Wrong as usual.

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« Reply #70 on: August 28, 2013, 08:28:09 PM »
Your priest's position is in direct contradiction to the traditional Orthodox use of prayer ropes. You should man up and accept the fact.

In this picture you can see how pious Orthodox Christians from Constantinople used to hide their chotkis from their zealous priests during DL.  ;)


 

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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #71 on: August 28, 2013, 09:15:57 PM »
I just wanted to pop in to apologize to PtA for my "heretic" remark regarding his priest "strictly forbidding" the use of the prayer rope in church.  I stand by the other comments I have made on this subject and I do find this policy to be very problematic, but my "heretic" comment caused more trouble than I intended and was not productive to the thread.
Honestly, until you recant all your criticism of my priest's policy as judgment of that which you know nothing about except for what little I have shared here, your apology rings hollow to me. Calling my priest a heretic is really just the tip of the iceberg. You know nothing of the realities of life in my parish, and I've quite intentionally only scratched the surface of my priest's point of view, so you really have no basis for any of your hasty judgments of my priest's policies.

Well your priest's policies are wrong, so you probably will not get an apology from jah for correcting them.
How wet is that chrism on your forehead? Oh, that's right. You haven't even been chrismated yet.

Your priest's position is in direct contradiction to the traditional Orthodox use of prayer ropes. You should man up and accept the fact.
You know, William, considering that you're a catechumen--or are you an inquirer, I forget--don't you think you would use your time much more wisely by learning the Faith you're about to embrace than by criticizing on the Internet priests you don't even know, priests who have been serving their flocks for more than twice the 18 years you've been walking this earth?
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #72 on: August 28, 2013, 09:31:17 PM »
I have a few that I've acquired over the years.  I like one in particular because it's made by a friend who no longer posts here.  The only one I used to wear was a small 'bracelet' type.  And I only wore it as a conversation starter. 

 PetertheAleut,

 I'm curious as to why your priest doesn't like his parishioners to wear them?  My priest (same jurisdiction as yours) has actually told us to wear them (that is, if we intend to use them).  My guess is that he's trying to encourage us to say the Jesus Prayer.  I'm sincerely curious and not asking to argue.  :)
I think Mor Ephrem has summed up my priest's position sufficiently for this discussion.

Do note that I mentioned only that my priest does not want people wearing their prayer ropes in church during our parish liturgical services. He has said that if people want to wear and use their prayer ropes at home in their private prayers, he has no problem with that.

Have you ever worn a prayer rope around your priest?  If so, does he start saying "it burns!"?  Just wondering.

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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #73 on: August 28, 2013, 11:14:10 PM »
I just wanted to pop in to apologize to PtA for my "heretic" remark regarding his priest "strictly forbidding" the use of the prayer rope in church.  I stand by the other comments I have made on this subject and I do find this policy to be very problematic, but my "heretic" comment caused more trouble than I intended and was not productive to the thread.
Honestly, until you recant all your criticism of my priest's policy as judgment of that which you know nothing about except for what little I have shared here, your apology rings hollow to me. Calling my priest a heretic is really just the tip of the iceberg. You know nothing of the realities of life in my parish, and I've quite intentionally only scratched the surface of my priest's point of view, so you really have no basis for any of your hasty judgments of my priest's policies.

Well your priest's policies are wrong, so you probably will not get an apology from jah for correcting them.
How wet is that chrism on your forehead? Oh, that's right. You haven't even been chrismated yet.

Your priest's position is in direct contradiction to the traditional Orthodox use of prayer ropes. You should man up and accept the fact.

Well, that is something for his bishop to deal with. His Grace is probably quite busy with more pressing concerns than a blatant attack on traditional Orthodox prayer rope usage. But perhaps a dedicated letter writing campaign would fix that. Everyone loves to get mail.
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #74 on: August 28, 2013, 11:15:58 PM »
I have a few that I've acquired over the years.  I like one in particular because it's made by a friend who no longer posts here.  The only one I used to wear was a small 'bracelet' type.  And I only wore it as a conversation starter. 

 PetertheAleut,

 I'm curious as to why your priest doesn't like his parishioners to wear them?  My priest (same jurisdiction as yours) has actually told us to wear them (that is, if we intend to use them).  My guess is that he's trying to encourage us to say the Jesus Prayer.  I'm sincerely curious and not asking to argue.  :)
I think Mor Ephrem has summed up my priest's position sufficiently for this discussion.

Do note that I mentioned only that my priest does not want people wearing their prayer ropes in church during our parish liturgical services. He has said that if people want to wear and use their prayer ropes at home in their private prayers, he has no problem with that.

Have you ever worn a prayer rope around your priest?  If so, does he start saying "it burns!"?  Just wondering.

Maybe I could get a 300-knot one. That would maybe be long enough to tie around my priest. But he's a big guy. Maybe 1,000 would be best.
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #75 on: August 28, 2013, 11:25:22 PM »
Maybe I could get a 300-knot one. That would maybe be long enough to tie around my priest. But he's a big guy. Maybe 1,000 would be best.

Sufis have the longest and largest prayer ropes (Guinness book worthy!), and longest diplomas (see around minute 11 or 12):

http://www.cultureunplugged.com/play/2873/Howling-for-God--Les-Amoureux-de-Dieu-

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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #77 on: August 29, 2013, 10:19:27 AM »
I just wanted to pop in to apologize to PtA for my "heretic" remark regarding his priest "strictly forbidding" the use of the prayer rope in church.  I stand by the other comments I have made on this subject and I do find this policy to be very problematic, but my "heretic" comment caused more trouble than I intended and was not productive to the thread.
Honestly, until you recant all your criticism of my priest's policy as judgment of that which you know nothing about except for what little I have shared here, your apology rings hollow to me. Calling my priest a heretic is really just the tip of the iceberg. You know nothing of the realities of life in my parish, and I've quite intentionally only scratched the surface of my priest's point of view, so you really have no basis for any of your hasty judgments of my priest's policies.

Well your priest's policies are wrong, so you probably will not get an apology from jah for correcting them.
How wet is that chrism on your forehead? Oh, that's right. You haven't even been chrismated yet.

I have .. I have the original certificate from the priest.
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #78 on: August 29, 2013, 10:31:44 AM »
I just wanted to pop in to apologize to PtA for my "heretic" remark regarding his priest "strictly forbidding" the use of the prayer rope in church.  I stand by the other comments I have made on this subject and I do find this policy to be very problematic, but my "heretic" comment caused more trouble than I intended and was not productive to the thread.
Honestly, until you recant all your criticism of my priest's policy as judgment of that which you know nothing about except for what little I have shared here, your apology rings hollow to me. Calling my priest a heretic is really just the tip of the iceberg. You know nothing of the realities of life in my parish, and I've quite intentionally only scratched the surface of my priest's point of view, so you really have no basis for any of your hasty judgments of my priest's policies.

Well your priest's policies are wrong, so you probably will not get an apology from jah for correcting them.
How wet is that chrism on your forehead? Oh, that's right. You haven't even been chrismated yet.

I have .. I have the original certificate from the priest.
I think he was speaking to William.
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #79 on: August 29, 2013, 10:33:59 AM »
Maybe I could get a 300-knot one. That would maybe be long enough to tie around my priest. But he's a big guy. Maybe 1,000 would be best.

Sufis have the longest and largest prayer ropes (Guinness book worthy!), and longest diplomas (see around minute 11 or 12):

http://www.cultureunplugged.com/play/2873/Howling-for-God--Les-Amoureux-de-Dieu-

Rats. Mala strands stop at 108 beads. Although I suppose one could get a bespoke 10x or 20x one.
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #80 on: August 29, 2013, 10:40:12 AM »
Maybe I could get a 300-knot one. That would maybe be long enough to tie around my priest. But he's a big guy. Maybe 1,000 would be best.

Sufis have the longest and largest prayer ropes (Guinness book worthy!), and longest diplomas (see around minute 11 or 12):

http://www.cultureunplugged.com/play/2873/Howling-for-God--Les-Amoureux-de-Dieu-

Rats. Mala strands stop at 108 beads. Although I suppose one could get a bespoke 10x or 20x one.

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« Reply #81 on: August 29, 2013, 11:00:53 AM »
I'm a member of a parish whose priest sees this as a monastic practice and strictly forbids its use in parish services

The troops are gathering, prayer ropes in hand, to make a surprise visit to PtA's parish:

 




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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #82 on: August 29, 2013, 11:03:37 AM »
Because that last picture, the prayer rope is TOTALLY inconspicuous!

Perhaps he should wrap it around his forehead.  We wouldn't want someone to miss the fact that he has his prayer rope.  :D
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #83 on: August 29, 2013, 11:04:45 AM »
C'mon! The last one's 'shopped! No self-respecting dude would wear a PINK chotki!  :P :laugh:
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #84 on: August 29, 2013, 11:10:39 AM »
C'mon! The last one's 'shopped! No self-respecting dude would wear a PINK chotki!  :P :laugh:

It is probably red and just looks pink due to lighting/digital transmission.  :)

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« Reply #85 on: August 29, 2013, 11:21:21 AM »
Armed and dangerous, wondering how "Fr. Strictly Forbidden" will respond:







There is a prayer rope in their somewhere!!!  Or, is there.....?  :o

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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #86 on: August 29, 2013, 11:48:24 AM »
jah777, are you no longer capable of providing a reasoned response to anything I say, such that you choose to resort to juvenile tomfoolery?
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #87 on: August 29, 2013, 11:48:57 AM »
Somebody tipped off "Fr. Strictly Forbidden" and he has mounted his lookout tower, keeping watch for those who may dare to approach his parish wearing one of those prayer rope things.  Pious faithful are urged to use extreme caution.



Intelligence indicates that PtA may be the source that informed him of the surprise visit by prayer rope wearing faithful.
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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #88 on: August 29, 2013, 11:53:04 AM »
jah777, are you no longer capable of providing a reasoned response to anything I say, such that you choose to resort to juvenile tomfoolery?

My capability has not diminished, but I have provided enough reasoned responses and now I am just having fun with it.   ;)

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Re: Do you ever remove your wrist chotki?
« Reply #89 on: August 29, 2013, 12:01:17 PM »
jah777, are you no longer capable of providing a reasoned response to anything I say, such that you choose to resort to juvenile tomfoolery?

My capability has not diminished, but I have provided enough reasoned responses and now I am just having fun with it.   ;)
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