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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2013, 07:58:00 PM »
They put the "moron" in the "oxymoron."

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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2013, 08:09:48 PM »
They're just being silly.

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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2013, 08:11:03 PM »
I look forward to seeing how this goes. There have been several attempts at something similar, but generally in single locations, and not along these exact lines. It would certainly be more welcome than the next best thing, which are Unitarian Universalist congregations.
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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2013, 08:15:23 PM »
Haven't we already discussed this atheist church before?
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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2013, 08:18:52 PM »
Haven't we already discussed this atheist church before?

I thought that was a single attempt at something like this in the Southern US, with no attempt to "spread it" (evangelize)... though I could be misremembering.
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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2013, 08:23:40 PM »
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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2013, 02:01:01 PM »
and there is more....

Former Baptist turned Methodist preacher, Ms MacBain calls it quits saying...

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Her first public comments, a few weeks later, sounded brash, as she told a convention of atheists that she would gladly burn in hell with them.

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Now, 18 months into a new life, Ms. MacBain is bringing much of her old one to the task of building congregations of nonbelievers. She has been hired as the director of the Humanist Community Project at Harvard with the mandate to travel the country helping atomized groups of atheists, agnostics, humanists and freethinkers replicate the communal structure and support that organized religion provides to its faithful.
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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2013, 02:06:08 PM »
They're just being silly.

Nope. They just realize that people are not satisfied with cold and rational books about philosophy. These churches are one way of facing the reality.

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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2013, 02:14:36 PM »
No need for atheists to start a church.  They could join the Church of England and be right at home.
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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2013, 02:18:18 PM »
No need for atheists to start a church.  They could join the Church of England and be right at home.

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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2013, 03:11:39 PM »
No need for atheists to start a church.  They could join the Church of England and be right at home.

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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2013, 03:25:06 PM »
No need for atheists to start a church.  They could join the Church of England and be right at home.

BAM!

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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2013, 03:46:57 PM »
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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2013, 05:07:04 PM »
They're just being silly.

Nope. They just realize that people are not satisfied with cold and rational books about philosophy. These churches are one way of facing the reality.

The unfortunate part is that there are atheists/agnostics/etc. who are perfectly satisfied with such things, and they are very insistent in saying that other people should be satisfied with that as well. It's sort of the same basic mindset and approach as religious people who insist that faith is all you need and who don't understand why anyone would have issues getting with the program.
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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2013, 06:25:22 PM »
Seriously? I would think most atheists would feel quite at home at a Unitarian church. And I'm not being snarky; they're known for welcoming people of "any or no belief", at least the ones I visited in my misbegotten youth.
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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2013, 06:33:24 PM »
Seriously? I would think most atheists would feel quite at home at a Unitarian church. And I'm not being snarky; they're known for welcoming people of "any or no belief", at least the ones I visited in my misbegotten youth.

True.  If the Unitarians had a creed, it might begin with "We believe in at most one God . . ."

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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2013, 06:56:04 PM »
I dunno, I've attended the local UU church here a few times and if I was an atheist it'd be the last place I'd want to be. From what I remember of the church services, one went something like: some chit chat, something about Native American spirituality from a Native American fellow, a couple songs from the Protestant hymnal, some time to share what was going on in your life, another Protestant hymn, a sermon for 15 minutes about how the Bible has errors but the New Testament is a great basis for morality, how we can learn a lot from Buddhism, and other such things, a final Protestant hymn, then closing stuff. That was followed by coffee time and some very light discussion. I suppose if I considered myself "spiritual" or wanted to socialize it'd be a fine place. But as either an atheist or traditional Christian it didn't seem to have much to offer.
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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2013, 07:06:37 PM »
Well as long as they don't frighten the horses  :-\

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« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2013, 07:07:36 PM »
I wonder what kind of parish festival they will have. 
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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2013, 07:25:48 PM »
From http://atheism.about.com/od/whoareatheists/a/AtheistsChurch.htm:

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"In the United States there are several groups which count themselves as religious but either don't require belief in any gods or actually discourage belief in the traditional god of orthodox Christianity. These groups include Ethical Culture, the Unitarian-Universalist Church, and a variety of Religious Humanist organizations. Many, many atheists are members of these groups and regularly attend meetings or services on Sunday mornings (or at some other time during the week)."

So again, why not the UU?
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« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2013, 07:44:31 PM »
From http://atheism.about.com/od/whoareatheists/a/AtheistsChurch.htm:

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"In the United States there are several groups which count themselves as religious but either don't require belief in any gods or actually discourage belief in the traditional god of orthodox Christianity. These groups include Ethical Culture, the Unitarian-Universalist Church, and a variety of Religious Humanist organizations. Many, many atheists are members of these groups and regularly attend meetings or services on Sunday mornings (or at some other time during the week)."

So again, why not the UU?
Many UU congregations actually use the word "God" in their services, and even those that don't, accept the UU principle of "Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations" and acknowledge that some of the sources UU draws upon include (1) "Wisdom from the world's religions which inspires us in our ethical and spiritual life"; (2) "Jewish and Christian teachings which call us to respond to God's love by loving our neighbors as ourselves"; and (3) "Spiritual teachings of earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature".

"Atheist" churches seem to take a more antagonistic view toward religions and spiritualities.
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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2013, 07:45:40 PM »
I wonder what kind of parish festival they will have. 

 Some kind of sporting event like soccer.
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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2013, 08:00:32 PM »
So again, why not the UU?

See my post above. Or that of Jetavan. Or don't, up to you.
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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2013, 02:37:35 PM »
I wonder if they will even have a holy book, or maybe their services will degenerate into orgies ;). I don't know how this atheist church will be able to stay together, because it might eventually become the thing that it is opposed to: organized religion.

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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2013, 02:40:01 PM »
Hey, if they want to meet up and talk about how something can come from nothing, who am I to judge these people.  :)
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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2013, 02:41:55 PM »
Well, the orgy stuff might be excessive, but it's a joke, ain't it?

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« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2013, 06:23:52 PM »
From http://atheism.about.com/od/whoareatheists/a/AtheistsChurch.htm:

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"In the United States there are several groups which count themselves as religious but either don't require belief in any gods or actually discourage belief in the traditional god of orthodox Christianity. These groups include Ethical Culture, the Unitarian-Universalist Church, and a variety of Religious Humanist organizations. Many, many atheists are members of these groups and regularly attend meetings or services on Sunday mornings (or at some other time during the week)."

So again, why not the UU?
Many UU congregations actually use the word "God" in their services, and even those that don't, accept the UU principle of "Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations" and acknowledge that some of the sources UU draws upon include (1) "Wisdom from the world's religions which inspires us in our ethical and spiritual life"; (2) "Jewish and Christian teachings which call us to respond to God's love by loving our neighbors as ourselves"; and (3) "Spiritual teachings of earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature".

"Atheist" churches seem to take a more antagonistic view toward religions and spiritualities.

But to be fair, not all atheists are Atheists(tm). Some just don't believe in God, but aren't out to convert. Those are the ones that would probably join the UU or similar groups, for the social atmosphere.
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« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2013, 06:27:37 PM »
So its the athiest coffee club essentially.
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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2013, 06:28:30 PM »
Didn't Julian try to make a heathen imitation of the Church before these guys came up with it? That didn't work out and neither will this.
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« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2013, 06:29:20 PM »
So its the athiest coffee club essentially.

A quick Google search shows that those exist (though spelled "atheist" for some strange reason).  8)
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« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2013, 06:36:44 PM »
Didn't Julian try to make a heathen imitation of the Church before these guys came up with it? That didn't work out and neither will this.

I have the book in which he attempts to refute Christianity on my "to read" list.  8)  I think some of the "Christian" emperors of the 4th century did more damage to Christianity than he did, but I'm still curious what he had to say.
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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2013, 06:40:37 PM »
Didn't Julian try to make a heathen imitation of the Church before these guys came up with it? That didn't work out and neither will this.

I have the book in which he attempts to refute Christianity on my "to read" list.  8) 

Interesting. I suppose you mean "Against the Galileans". It wasn't that interesting a read. Julian's Misopogon, on the contrary, was hilarious.
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« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2013, 07:20:52 PM »
and there is more....

Former Baptist turned Methodist preacher, Ms MacBain calls it quits saying...


MacBain is calling it quits alright:

"AUSTIN, Texas (RNS) A former United Methodist minister-turned-atheist was dismissed from her high-profile position at Harvard University on Thursday after it was revealed she falsified her resume.

Teresa MacBain, one of the most high-profile nonbelievers in the country after profiles by NPR, The New York Times and Religion News Service, was fired from her newly created position with the Humanist Community at Harvard."
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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2013, 07:40:23 PM »
and there is more....

Former Baptist turned Methodist preacher, Ms MacBain calls it quits saying...


MacBain is calling it quits alright:

"AUSTIN, Texas (RNS) A former United Methodist minister-turned-atheist was dismissed from her high-profile position at Harvard University on Thursday after it was revealed she falsified her resume.

Teresa MacBain, one of the most high-profile nonbelievers in the country after profiles by NPR, The New York Times and Religion News Service, was fired from her newly created position with the Humanist Community at Harvard."
I suppose I should feel bad for her, but I really don't.  She has spent her entire life misrepresenting herself to everyone and now it is catching up with her.  :-\
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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2013, 04:57:11 PM »
Just listened on the radio to an interview with a woman (former Protestant minister) who's doing the same thing in Canada. She is retaining all the social, community-building features of church but throwing Scripture and talk about God in the dustbin. Seems to be the wave of the future.

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« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2013, 05:09:28 PM »
Didn't Julian try to make a heathen imitation of the Church before these guys came up with it? That didn't work out and neither will this.

Because it died as soon as Julian died.

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« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2013, 05:25:22 PM »
No need for atheists to start a church.  They could join the Church of England and be right at home.
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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2013, 06:14:38 PM »

Tell me that is from a make your own church sign website where you pick the words that go on the picture?
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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2013, 06:19:12 PM »
I tell you what, athiests could screw up a soup sandwich. If there is no God, SLEEP IN ON SUNDAY!!!!!! :police:

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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #42 on: October 07, 2013, 12:12:44 PM »

Tell me that is from a make your own church sign website where you pick the words that go on the picture?
lol, I don't know.  It could just be someone with a poor grasp of grammar.
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Re: "Atheist Church" begins in England
« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2013, 12:16:12 PM »

Tell me that is from a make your own church sign website where you pick the words that go on the picture?
lol, I don't know.  It could just be someone with a poor grasp of grammar.
I'm sure it made complete sense in their head.
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« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2013, 03:26:34 PM »

Tell me that is from a make your own church sign website where you pick the words that go on the picture?
lol, I don't know.  It could just be someone with a poor grasp of grammar.
I'm sure it made complete sense in their head.

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