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Offline iman_allen

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Can Laymen Wear Religious Head Gear as Well?
« on: September 16, 2013, 05:58:02 AM »
I was shopping online yesterday on eBay and happened to run across a "Skufia" which is an Orthodox head gear, usually worn by Greek and Russian CLERGY. The unusual thing about it is that the description of the item had said that it could be worn by ANY Orthodox men, not just Clergy. But, I've never seen laymen wear these hats, only the clergy. I really love the hat and I have always like the idea of religious skull caps and similar attire for men, such as the Jewish Yamaka or the Muslim Kufi, but I don't want to buy the hat and end up finding that it is only for Clergy members. Can someone guide me in the right direct when it comes to head coverings and Orthodoxy. Thanks.

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Re: Can Laymen Wear Religious Head Gear as Well?
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2013, 06:04:19 AM »
I can't speak for the OO, but EO clerical headwear is only for clergy.
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Re: Can Laymen Wear Religious Head Gear as Well?
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2013, 09:23:53 AM »
What would you do if you wore it to a service, and a priest or someone asked what you are doing wearing it?  Kind of embarrassing?

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Re: Can Laymen Wear Religious Head Gear as Well?
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2013, 09:30:46 AM »
You could wear a yarmulke and I bet most people wouldn't even give you a second look.  But afterwards, people will ask, "Are you Jewish?"  To answer your main question, yes.  You can wear religious head gear, but you probably shouldn't.  Also, the go-to answer, ask a priest.
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Re: Can Laymen Wear Religious Head Gear as Well?
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2013, 09:34:45 AM »
I can't speak for the OO, but EO clerical headwear is only for clergy.

On this one, I think you can.  I've never heard of clerical headwear for laymen.  Maybe the eBay seller just wanted to expand his clientele so that he could sell his hat(s).  
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Re: Can Laymen Wear Religious Head Gear as Well?
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2013, 09:41:58 AM »

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Re: Can Laymen Wear Religious Head Gear as Well?
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2013, 10:50:40 AM »

Should a scullery maid be wearing a crown?


You forgot Cinderella.  :)

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Re: Can Laymen Wear Religious Head Gear as Well?
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2013, 10:55:02 AM »
I hope our resident expert on the non-traditional use of attire, especially in religious contexts, Achronos, will chime in here.
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Re: Can Laymen Wear Religious Head Gear as Well?
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2013, 11:20:40 AM »
I would think it's a no unless it's cultural and not clerical headgear. In some cultures, they have hats that everybody can wear. Then there are specialized ones only for certain people. I would not wear a priest's hat. I can't. Yet I would wear a baseball cap, just not in church.
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Re: Can Laymen Wear Religious Head Gear as Well?
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2013, 11:32:17 AM »
Yes you can wear it if you want to look ridiculous...plus we should go to liturgy together while I'm in my (bath)robe.
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Re: Can Laymen Wear Religious Head Gear as Well?
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2013, 11:38:27 AM »

Should a scullery maid be wearing a crown?


You forgot Cinderella.  :)

:)  Actually, she was the one I was thinking of.... she only got to wear the crown because she married the prince.  She wasn't wearing it while cleaning the cinders out of the fire place.
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Re: Can Laymen Wear Religious Head Gear as Well?
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2013, 01:20:44 PM »
I see a bunch of lists like this, but it says for men of all ranks, which I would interpret as meaning all men that have been tonsured. Perhaps you are referencing some other listing.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Skufia-Skoufos-Byzantine-Orthodox-religious-headdress-for-men-of-all-ranks-/200958759636?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eca1352d4#ht_278wt_1161
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Re: Can Laymen Wear Religious Head Gear as Well?
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2013, 07:18:46 PM »
Hey, it's ebay...
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Re: Can Laymen Wear Religious Head Gear as Well?
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2013, 07:29:05 PM »
I see a bunch of lists like this, but it says for men of all ranks, which I would interpret as meaning all men that have been tonsured. Perhaps you are referencing some other listing.

Not necessarily. I have had several people tell me that I'm rank, and I've never been formally tonsured.  :)
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Re: Can Laymen Wear Religious Head Gear as Well?
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2013, 09:08:55 PM »


Georgian hats, the solution for laymen who wish they weren't.

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Re: Can Laymen Wear Religious Head Gear as Well?
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2013, 01:27:52 AM »


Georgian hats, the solution for laymen who wish they weren't.

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