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The Holy Communion
« on: September 15, 2013, 04:55:39 AM »
Good morning all,I have spoken to someone about an Orthodox Communion and the person, who is a Catholic, asked me why we dont eat anything or drink after the midnight. The person's point was that Jesus and Disciples had dinner first at the Last Supper,so they ate ,drank etc and after that Jesus introduced the Eucharist Holy Communion. So, if Jesus and His Disciples ate before taking the Communion, then why do we have to take it on the empty stomach?

Please, could you back up your statements from verses in the Scripture,thanks a lot.
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Re: The Holy Communion
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2013, 06:50:59 AM »
Good morning all,I have spoken to someone about an Orthodox Communion and the person, who is a Catholic, asked me why we dont eat anything or drink after the midnight. The person's point was that Jesus and Disciples had dinner first at the Last Supper,so they ate ,drank etc and after that Jesus introduced the Eucharist Holy Communion. So, if Jesus and His Disciples ate before taking the Communion, then why do we have to take it on the empty stomach?

Please, could you back up your statements from verses in the Scripture,thanks a lot.

Your Catholic friend might be surprised to learn that his or her own church had the same rule until about 50 years ago.   Since Vatican II they need only fast for an hour before communing but they still must fast. 

I'll leave the justification for others but I am reminded of the words of our Lord to the effect that when the bridegroom is present, his disciples do not fast; but when he is gone away they will certainly fast. 

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Re: The Holy Communion
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2013, 07:38:47 AM »
With fear and trembling approach the Chalice. Preparation is important, which includes, prayers, confession, fasting, and the abstinence from food from Midnight. For most, that means nothing is consumed until after receiving the Eucharist. Generally, fasting and prayer is addressed in the New Testament, and can be easily found. There are pre Communion prayers and post communion prayers for the repentant receiving Communion listed in most Orthodox prayer books. As far as the Midnight requirement that you address, I would hesitate to support a specific time requirement with Scripture, and do not understand the need to support a time requirement from Scripture.

"Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep” (1 Corinthians 11:27-30).
 
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Re: The Holy Communion
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2013, 08:48:50 AM »
I dont specifically want to know whether there was a specific time of Eucharist fast,what I want to know is where does it say in Scripture that we have to fast at all before taking the Holy Communion as Jesus with His Disciples had dinner 1st and then after their feast the Holy Communion was introduced, which points out that you can eat or drink before the Communion like a few Churches do...
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Re: The Holy Communion
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2013, 08:53:29 AM »
The subject is that we must be prepared better. Food lead you easier into sins. So it is a way to be more clean when you receive communion.
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Re: The Holy Communion
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2013, 05:47:43 PM »
I dont specifically want to know whether there was a specific time of Eucharist fast,what I want to know is where does it say in Scripture that we have to fast at all before taking the Holy Communion as Jesus with His Disciples had dinner 1st and then after their feast the Holy Communion was introduced, which points out that you can eat or drink before the Communion like a few Churches do...

Not everything is found in the Bible. Communion is presented as typology in the Scriptures. While it is established in the Gospels, it is not talked about until Apostolic writings.

There was no need for the Disciples to fast because they were with the Lord, we fast because we are separated from the Lord.
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Re: The Holy Communion
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2013, 06:00:22 PM »
My parents brought me up to believe that we also have to sleep before we receive Holy Communion/Eucharist. Though this is what we all do since our services are in the mornings. However, when we attend midnight Easter services for the Resurrection, we have to be in church by 11 pm the latest, while we receive Holy Communion around 2 am, I have yet to take a nap before Easter services, even though my father does and insist we should. Anyone know of this? That we must nap/sleep before receiving Holy Communion?
And we never eat nor drink anything before receiving.  
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Re: The Holy Communion
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2013, 06:24:56 PM »
There's no rule about sleeping before receiving Communion.  That's probably a practical/safety issue for some. 
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Re: The Holy Communion
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2013, 06:41:22 PM »
I dont specifically want to know whether there was a specific time of Eucharist fast,what I want to know is where does it say in Scripture that we have to fast at all before taking the Holy Communion as Jesus with His Disciples had dinner 1st and then after their feast the Holy Communion was introduced, which points out that you can eat or drink before the Communion like a few Churches do...

It's like Yurysprudentsiya said.

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14 Then came to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not?

15 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.
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Re: The Holy Communion
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2013, 07:03:07 PM »
There's no rule about sleeping before receiving Communion.  That's probably a practical/safety issue for some. 

I thought so.
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Re: The Holy Communion
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2013, 09:09:15 PM »
I know there is no sleep requirement for receiving Communion.  I work a graveyard shift and have often gone to liturgy after I get off work at 7am (especially on feast days). 

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Re: The Holy Communion
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2013, 09:21:24 PM »
There's no rule about sleeping before receiving Communion.  That's probably a practical/safety issue for some. 

I thought so.
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Re: The Holy Communion
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2013, 09:22:01 PM »
I know there is no sleep requirement for receiving Communion.  I work a graveyard shift and have often gone to liturgy after I get off work at 7am (especially on feast days). 

Now that is asceticism. 
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Re: The Holy Communion
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2013, 10:01:07 PM »
I dont specifically want to know whether there was a specific time of Eucharist fast,what I want to know is where does it say in Scripture that we have to fast at all before taking the Holy Communion as Jesus with His Disciples had dinner 1st and then after their feast the Holy Communion was introduced, which points out that you can eat or drink before the Communion like a few Churches do...

It doesn't say it explicitly in Scripture, but if you look at St. Paul's writings (I think to the Corinthians), where he describes the disorder of their love feasts (agape meals), which were at the time indistinguishable from the  moment of the eucharist itself, you will find an impetus. A lot has changed since the first century.
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Re: The Holy Communion
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2013, 12:45:51 AM »
Whether there is a scriptural directive for a pre-Eucharistic fast or not, it is the prerogative of the bishops to establish canonical norms (the authority to "bind and loose" was passed down to the bishops from to the Apostles) for the church, and our preparation for the Eucharist falls under that. It has been the wisdom of the Church for a very long time that we are better prepared for the reception of the Eucharist if we fast for a little while first, so long as fasting is an option (it is not an option for some: those who are sick, elderly, very young, pregnant, nursing, etc).

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Re: The Holy Communion
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2013, 08:23:49 AM »
Yes,thank you.So,the Eucharistic fast originated from the practice of early Bishops,right?
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Re: The Holy Communion
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2013, 09:42:47 AM »
There's no rule about sleeping before receiving Communion.  That's probably a practical/safety issue for some. 

I thought so.
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