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HH Bartolomew in Estonia
« on: September 09, 2013, 01:18:58 PM »
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On September 7, His All-Holiness visited the Holy Cathedral of St. Alexander Nevsky of the Russian jurisdiction in Tallinn, received by His Eminence Metropolitan Cornelius and his clergy. After attending the Divine Liturgy, His All-Holiness met with His Eminence Metropolitan Cornelius and his colleagues, briefly expressing – in the presence of His Eminence Metropolitan Stephanos of Tallinn and All Estonia – his wish for the commencement soon of bilateral direct communication between the two aforementioned Metropolitans, which would contribute to the timely and definitive resolution of the so-called Estonian problem. His All-Holiness assured him that, on the part of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, there is always a spirit of sincerity and goodwill, while the same attitude is necessary also on the part of the Russian Church so that the well-known difficulties might be overcome.
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Re: HH Bartolomew in Estonia
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2013, 01:25:13 PM »
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On September 7, His All-Holiness visited the Holy Cathedral of St. Alexander Nevsky of the Russian jurisdiction in Tallinn, received by His Eminence Metropolitan Cornelius and his clergy. After attending the Divine Liturgy, His All-Holiness met with His Eminence Metropolitan Cornelius and his colleagues, briefly expressing – in the presence of His Eminence Metropolitan Stephanos of Tallinn and All Estonia – his wish for the commencement soon of bilateral direct communication between the two aforementioned Metropolitans, which would contribute to the timely and definitive resolution of the so-called Estonian problem. His All-Holiness assured him that, on the part of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, there is always a spirit of sincerity and goodwill, while the same attitude is necessary also on the part of the Russian Church so that the well-known difficulties might be overcome.
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better than HAH antics at the last visit.  Hopefully it is as good beneath the surface.
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Re: HH Bartolomew in Estonia
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2013, 02:32:34 PM »
Is it true that the Estonian church is entirely on the Western Gregorian calendar? For all holidays including Easter?

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Re: HH Bartolomew in Estonia
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2013, 02:33:22 PM »
Is it true that the Estonian church is entirely on the Western Gregorian calendar? For all holidays including Easter?
Just those who have placed themselves under the Phanar.
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Re: HH Bartolomew in Estonia
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2013, 02:36:42 PM »
Is it true that the Estonian church is entirely on the Western Gregorian calendar? For all holidays including Easter?
Just those who have placed themselves under the Phanar.

Not since a couple of years.

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Re: HH Bartolomew in Estonia
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2013, 02:43:41 PM »
HAH will arrive Finland day after tomorrow. Nice to see our patriarch again.

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Re: HH Bartolomew in Estonia
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2013, 05:27:04 PM »
Is it true that the Estonian church is entirely on the Western Gregorian calendar? For all holidays including Easter?
Just those who have placed themselves under the Phanar.

Not since a couple of years.

Are you saying they now keep Pascha with all Orthodox?
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Re: HH Bartolomew in Estonia
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2013, 05:29:45 PM »
Is it true that the Estonian church is entirely on the Western Gregorian calendar? For all holidays including Easter?
Just those who have placed themselves under the Phanar.

Not since a couple of years.

Are you saying they now keep Pascha with all Orthodox?

Estonians - yes.

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Re: HH Bartolomew in Estonia
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2013, 12:18:56 AM »
Correct. EP's Estonians follow New Calendar instead of Gregorian Calendar.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2013, 12:19:53 AM by Alpo »

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Re: HH Bartolomew in Estonia
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2013, 02:06:07 AM »
I think I heard that something was said like,

only one church should be in estonia
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Re: HH Bartolomew in Estonia
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2013, 02:09:12 AM »
also, here is an interview he did while in estonia

http://news.err.ee/culture/99e0371b-5a71-4280-a48a-b6860d1a50e4

(two people talking english, both second languages... it is quite slow going)

ALSO

http://news.err.ee/Culture/efde5477-32a8-4db5-ba5d-351be082ebcd

HE GAVE ARVO PART A MEDAL AND RECOGNITION!!!

ARVO PART IS NOW AN ARCHON
I love Arvo Part and his unorthodox music (i think best it stay outside the church though, but nice to listen to)

My favorite:

Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIbwtzw8A7A

Some more:

Nunc dimittis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY9l45oqjvw

Da Pacem Domine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a_onoMEmkw&list=PLEAC8127DF4864582&index=1


De Profundis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eSz2J3nS2o

Magnificat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A6BfyhFSVQ

Te Deum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5ghhmWrubY

Salve Regina

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1CNNf9iU9Y

The Beatitudes (IN ENGLISH! most of his works are in latin)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su4gGRcfKSk

Most Holy Mother of God

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkIuRJd5v5o




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Re: HH Bartolomew in Estonia
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2013, 09:24:24 AM »
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201533376792829&set=vb.520350064643891&type=2&theater

Here is a video of HAH with some Ethiopian immigrants in Finland. I wonder what they are singing?

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Re: HH Bartolomew in Estonia
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2013, 11:59:09 AM »
Some pictures:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/patriarchate/sets/72157635486654687/

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In response to an invitation by the Autonomous Church of Finland, after completing the Patriarchal Visit to the Orthodox Church of Estonia, His All-Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew traveled by boat from Tallinn to Helsinki on the morning of September 11, 2013, in order preside over the celebrations on the occasion of the 90th anniversary since the proclamation of the Finnish Church as Autonomous by the Mother Church of Constantinople.

Accompanying His All-Holiness during this official visit are His Eminence Geron Metropolitan Athanasios of Chalcedon, His Eminence Metropolitan Methodios of Boston, V. Rev. Dr. Theodore Meimaris (Third Patriarchal Deacon), V. Rev. Dr. Makarios Griniezakis (Archimandrite of the Ecumenical Throne), and Mr. Symeon Frantzelas (Chief Attendant).