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After General Kim Jong Il's visit to Russia, he admired Orthodox Church of Russia, the oldest branch of Christianity, so he decided to build Orthodox Church in Pyongyang, capital of DPRK. Russian Orthodox Church trained Korean priests and Orthodox bishop came to Pyongyang and blessed the Church, now Russian Orthodox Christian minority that lives in Pyongyang along with Korean Orthodox Christians have place of worship to God.
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2013, 04:32:38 PM »
Oh wow!  God be praised!
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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2013, 04:39:40 PM »
Isn't owning a Bible a death-punished crime in there?

BTW wonder if they have feasts dedicated to the miraculous birth of his father.
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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2013, 04:51:24 PM »
 O Lord, save your people,
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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2013, 04:54:48 PM »

Wow.  I hope it takes root and grows!

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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2013, 05:07:47 PM »
If Kim Jong Il was a christian, he was remarkably good at hiding it.

There is also a catholic church in North Korea.
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2013, 05:12:16 PM »
Kim Jong-un publically executes ex-girlfriend for owning a Bible
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Kim-Jong-un-publically-executes-ex-girlfriend-28863.html
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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2013, 05:20:48 PM »
Kim Jong-un publically executes ex-girlfriend for owning a Bible
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Kim-Jong-un-publically-executes-ex-girlfriend-28863.html

It says in the article that he executed her for pornography.
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2013, 05:30:10 PM »
Kim Jong-un publically executes ex-girlfriend for owning a Bible
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Kim-Jong-un-publically-executes-ex-girlfriend-28863.html

It says in the article that he executed her for pornography.
It's bad any way.

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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2013, 05:34:47 PM »
That'd really be something if Kim Jong Il were building churches in North Korea.  He's been dead for a few years.


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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2013, 05:36:10 PM »
Kim Jong-un publically executes ex-girlfriend for owning a Bible
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Kim-Jong-un-publically-executes-ex-girlfriend-28863.html

It says in the article that he executed her for pornography.

Yeah, this kind of pornography:

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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2013, 05:38:54 PM »
Kim Jong-un publically executes ex-girlfriend for owning a Bible
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Kim-Jong-un-publically-executes-ex-girlfriend-28863.html

It says in the article that he executed her for pornography.
She was executed for several "crimes". The Bible thing was just one of them. Experts speculate that Kim Jong Un's present wife was involved.
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2013, 06:14:07 PM »
I don't think I'm about to swallow a fairy tale about the Dear Dictator, being struck by the outward form is not the same as conversion. And North Korea has an appalling record of abuse toward its' unfortunate citizens.

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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2013, 09:35:32 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2013, 11:43:31 PM »
St. Kim Jong-Il the Confessor

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Guys! They're not intercoursing. It's just an unfortunate angle.

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« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2013, 12:04:00 AM »
I wrote about The Holy Trinity Russian Orthodox Church previously. As far as I know nothing has changed. It is still walled off from the public.

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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2013, 12:07:20 AM »
That'd really be something if Kim Jong Il were building churches in North Korea.  He's been dead for a few years.


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« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2013, 12:17:27 AM »
North Korean Orthodox churches complete with Ikons of Dennis Rodman.



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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2013, 12:28:02 AM »
Kim Jong-un publically executes ex-girlfriend for owning a Bible
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Kim-Jong-un-publically-executes-ex-girlfriend-28863.html

It says in the article that he executed her for pornography.
She was executed for several "crimes". The Bible thing was just one of them. Experts speculate that Kim Jong Un's present wife was involved.

Well of course she was...she also just had their first child...so if Dear Hubby still had a soft spot for the ex....why not cement your own importance in multiple ways to guarantee your power.

The child was a girl....so they need to have another one, this time a boy so that the dynasty is sealed....

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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2013, 01:02:39 AM »
Half of the replies here just crack me up  ;D

Maybe he will declare himself emperor and finally call an ecumenical council for us
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« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2013, 01:17:18 AM »
North Korean leaders have a very orthodox mindset:

- Giving the people an opportunity to practice extreme asceticism
- Guiding the people with a firm hand, as opposed to this mob rule (aka democracy)
- Protecting them from the corrupting influence of "the west"
- Giving hagiographic-like stories of the leaders for the people to admire and emulate
- Standing up to all forms of Enlightenment-think
- Taking the sensible precaution of keeping people poor, thereby preventing consumerism from taking root
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« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2013, 02:57:04 AM »
North Korean leaders have a very orthodox mindset:

- Giving the people an opportunity to practice extreme asceticism
- Guiding the people with a firm hand, as opposed to this mob rule (aka democracy)
- Protecting them from the corrupting influence of "the west"
- Giving hagiographic-like stories of the leaders for the people to admire and emulate
- Standing up to all forms of Enlightenment-think
- Taking the sensible precaution of keeping people poor, thereby preventing consumerism from taking root

Sounds perfect on the paper.

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« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2013, 05:01:15 AM »
Regardless, we should pray daily that God will shine his Light in the hearts and minds of ALL in Nth Korea.
It would be awesome if he did convert.
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« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2013, 06:06:52 AM »
Not sure if some of the responces here are naive or sarcastic beyond my comprehension.
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« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2013, 06:10:36 AM »
Not sure if some of the responces here are naive or sarcastic beyond my comprehension.

I would be horrified if they are not the latter.  :o :laugh: :laugh:
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« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2013, 06:51:16 AM »
The Dear Little Dictator heads a bloody regime which beggars belief. For anyone to suggest because a self indulgent playboy indulges in an eccentric episode of building equates somehow to a demonstration of an Orthodox mindset simply beggars belief. This same character sees his people starve, lives the high life and spends the nations coffers on an arms race they simply cannot afford.

????????

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« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2013, 08:15:48 AM »
The Dear Little Dictator heads a bloody regime which beggars belief. For anyone to suggest because a self indulgent playboy indulges in an eccentric episode of building equates somehow to a demonstration of an Orthodox mindset simply beggars belief. This same character sees his people starve, lives the high life and spends the nations coffers on an arms race they simply cannot afford.

????????

No, no, no.  You have it all wrong.  He encourages the citizenry in asceticism and can be likened unto St. Paul who was willing to sacrifice his own salvation for the sake of his people.  I personally believe he might be the reincarnation of St. Constantine.
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« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2013, 09:38:41 AM »
North Korean Orthodox churches complete with Ikons of Dennis Dionysios Rodman.

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« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2013, 09:41:27 AM »
North Korean Orthodox churches complete with Ikons of Dennis Dionysios Rodman.

There: a good Orthodox name!
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Guys! They're not intercoursing. It's just an unfortunate angle.

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« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2013, 09:42:02 AM »
The Dear Little Dictator heads a bloody regime which beggars belief. For anyone to suggest because a self indulgent playboy indulges in an eccentric episode of building equates somehow to a demonstration of an Orthodox mindset simply beggars belief. This same character sees his people starve, lives the high life and spends the nations coffers on an arms race they simply cannot afford.

????????

No, no, no.  You have it all wrong.  He encourages the citizenry in asceticism and can be likened unto St. Paul who was willing to sacrifice his own salvation for the sake of his people.  I personally believe he might be the reincarnation of St. Constantine.

My, my... you do like to skate on the thin ice covering blasphemy to make a point..... I get it, but others....maybe not so much.....

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« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2013, 09:42:42 AM »
North Korean Orthodox churches complete with Ikons of Dennis Dionysios Rodman.

There: a good Orthodox name!
I am comissioning an icon as we speak.  ;D

Who's the iconographer?  :P :D
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« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2013, 09:43:05 AM »
North Korean Orthodox churches complete with Ikons of Dennis Dionysios Rodman.

There: a good Orthodox name!
I am comissioning an icon as we speak.  ;D

Please include a Bulls jersey and a package of Cheese Doodles in the background somehow....

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« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2013, 09:50:49 AM »
North Korean Orthodox churches complete with Ikons of Dennis Dionysios Rodman.

There: a good Orthodox name!
I am comissioning an icon as we speak.  ;D

Please include a Bulls jersey and a package of Cheese Doodles in the background somehow....

Oh, goody! When it's completed, I'll have another addition to my schlock file!   :laugh:
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« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2013, 09:54:56 AM »
The Dear Little Dictator heads a bloody regime which beggars belief. For anyone to suggest because a self indulgent playboy indulges in an eccentric episode of building equates somehow to a demonstration of an Orthodox mindset simply beggars belief. This same character sees his people starve, lives the high life and spends the nations coffers on an arms race they simply cannot afford.

????????

No, no, no.  You have it all wrong.  He encourages the citizenry in asceticism and can be likened unto St. Paul who was willing to sacrifice his own salvation for the sake of his people.  I personally believe he might be the reincarnation of St. Constantine.

My, my... you do like to skate on the thin ice covering blasphemy to make a point..... I get it, but others....maybe not so much.....
I get accused of blasphemy an awful lot.  :(

I have not been irreverent towards God neither have I claimed any attributes of God.
Guys! They're not intercoursing. It's just an unfortunate angle.

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« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2013, 09:56:17 AM »
North Korean Orthodox churches complete with Ikons of Dennis Dionysios Rodman.

There: a good Orthodox name!
I am comissioning an icon as we speak.  ;D

Who's the iconographer?  :P :D
There is only one iconographer capable of writing such an important piece.  The venerable Robert Lenz.  :D
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« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2013, 09:59:15 AM »
North Korean Orthodox churches complete with Ikons of Dennis Dionysios Rodman.

There: a good Orthodox name!
I am comissioning an icon as we speak.  ;D

Who's the iconographer?  :P :D
There is only one iconographer capable of writing such an important piece.  The venerable Robert Lenz.  :D

OF COURSE!! Or, if he's unavailable, his sidekick William Hart McNicholls will do just as well.  :P :P :P
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« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2013, 10:04:55 AM »
The Dear Little Dictator heads a bloody regime which beggars belief. For anyone to suggest because a self indulgent playboy indulges in an eccentric episode of building equates somehow to a demonstration of an Orthodox mindset simply beggars belief. This same character sees his people starve, lives the high life and spends the nations coffers on an arms race they simply cannot afford.

????????

No, no, no.  You have it all wrong.  He encourages the citizenry in asceticism and can be likened unto St. Paul who was willing to sacrifice his own salvation for the sake of his people.  I personally believe he might be the reincarnation of St. Constantine.

My, my... you do like to skate on the thin ice covering blasphemy to make a point..... I get it, but others....maybe not so much.....
I get accused of blasphemy an awful lot.  :(

I have not been irreverent towards God neither have I claimed any attributes of God.

Profound irreverence perhaps not directed towards God, but rather to the foibles of human beings?   ;)  In my book, one needs to be so from time to time lest one get 'way tooooo serious....'  I know that some will not understand what I mean, but I think you get it.
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Re: Will N. Korea become Orthodox? Kim Jong Il admires it & builds churches.
« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2013, 10:56:23 PM »
If Kim Jong Il was a christian, he was remarkably good at hiding it.

There is also a catholic church in North Korea.

The one Catholic church in the capital has no priest and is not connected with Rome because the government wont allow the Vatican to name a priest to the post. The Congregation holds prayer services. And, each service is monitored by a N.K. state official to ensure there is no seditious sermons or allowed to distribute bibles.
My question is 'why now?'   What makes you think the Orthodox Church wont be placed under similar restrictions.?  Kim Jong Il is suffering from an international PR problem and he may be using this as a way of improving his image abroad.  Kim is a calculating individual and isn't known for being a philanthropist. He's got a reason for everything that happens in N.K. Nothing is done without his approval.
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« Reply #38 on: September 12, 2013, 11:05:33 PM »
Not sure if some of the responces here are naive or sarcastic beyond my comprehension.

Welcome to the real world.....sadly..

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« Reply #39 on: September 12, 2013, 11:08:01 PM »
If Kim Jong Il was a christian, he was remarkably good at hiding it.

There is also a catholic church in North Korea.
 Kim Jong Il is suffering from an international PR problem and he may be using this as a way of improving his image abroad.  Kim is a calculating individual and isn't known for being a philanthropist. He's got a reason for everything that happens in N.K. Nothing is done without his approval.

Kim Jon Il cannot be suffering from a PR problem as he is dead.  

Kim Jong Un, the son, is the current guy.

I know its all terribly confusing with the names since Un brings to mind 'one' and Il brings to mind the roman II for 'two' but its the other way around....

Maybe they are counting down to an explosion or something....

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« Reply #40 on: September 12, 2013, 11:09:29 PM »
Half of the replies here just crack me up  ;D

Maybe he will declare himself emperor and finally call an ecumenical council for us

We are not trying to be sarcastic but North Korea is what it is.  The most closed society on Earth with the most dialectic Communist Party running everything and everyone down to the last person in the household.  Its literally a land of Zombies if you will.

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« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2013, 11:10:18 PM »
If Kim Jong Il was a christian, he was remarkably good at hiding it.

There is also a catholic church in North Korea.
 Kim Jong Il is suffering from an international PR problem and he may be using this as a way of improving his image abroad.  Kim is a calculating individual and isn't known for being a philanthropist. He's got a reason for everything that happens in N.K. Nothing is done without his approval.

Kim Jon Il cannot be suffering from a PR problem as he is dead.  

Kim Jong Un, the son, is the current guy.

I know its all terribly confusing with the names since Un brings to mind 'one' and Il brings to mind the roman II for 'two' but its the other way around....

Maybe they are counting down to an explosion or something....

I appreciate you correction, yes, some of these names can be confusing.  Thanks again.

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« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2013, 08:39:43 AM »
Watching the video just confirms this is a nice parish for Russians that live and work there.  The North Korean observers were there because they had to be.  The only Korean Christians I could see were the priests and their wives.  I think this parish was built for the sake of Russian money, not that Kim Jong Il/Un (whoever built it) actualy cared about Christianity in their country.  I pray that those observers' hearts were softened somehow.
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« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2013, 08:41:43 AM »
the most dialectic Communist Party running everything.... Its literally a land of Zombies if you will.

I don't think those words mean what you think they mean...

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« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2013, 08:44:55 AM »
North Korean leaders have a very orthodox mindset:

- Giving the people an opportunity to practice extreme asceticism
- Guiding the people with a firm hand, as opposed to this mob rule (aka democracy)
- Protecting them from the corrupting influence of "the west"
- Giving hagiographic-like stories of the leaders for the people to admire and emulate
- Standing up to all forms of Enlightenment-think
- Taking the sensible precaution of keeping people poor, thereby preventing consumerism from taking root

Sounds perfect on the paper.

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« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2013, 08:50:03 AM »
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With red letters, brethren and sistren, with red letters.

Carved on a mountainside as it is in our hearts!  Hail to thee, our Dear Leader, hail to thee!  You are the sunshine of our souls, the rainbow over the valley, the shining star!

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« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2013, 08:52:36 AM »
sistren

That's the most Orthodox rendering of сёстры I've heard in a while. Bravo!  :laugh:

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« Reply #47 on: September 13, 2013, 08:54:01 AM »
the most dialectic Communist Party running everything.... Its literally a land of Zombies if you will.

I don't think those words mean what you think they mean...

Zombies in the sense that they are robotic in their praise of their glorious leader.  Smuggled out video of the norm in life, or what passes for the norm, in NK showed the utter poverty of the masses.  It showed children hunting for rice in the mud and dirt, literally dead bodies in the streets from malnutrition and people walking by like they weren't there.   These folks don't know any other existence.  They are totally cut off from the rest of the world.  Its as if they reside on another planet.   The North Koreans have taken Communism to it's ultimate goal, ie total and unequivocal control of the all of it's citizens.   Opening of an Orthodox church is a good thing but be very suspicious of the aims and intend of this new boy leader.  Keep in mind, he doesn't intend to give up this total control and any challenges to his authority will be met with the most serious of penalties.  

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« Reply #48 on: September 13, 2013, 08:57:32 AM »
the most dialectic Communist Party running everything.... Its literally a land of Zombies if you will.

I don't think those words mean what you think they mean...

Zombies in the sense that they are robotic in their praise of their glorious leader.  

Okay, that's not what "literally" means.

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« Reply #49 on: September 13, 2013, 09:01:33 AM »
the most dialectic Communist Party running everything.... Its literally a land of Zombies if you will.

I don't think those words mean what you think they mean...

Zombies in the sense that they are robotic in their praise of their glorious leader.  

Okay, that's not what "literally" means.

Literally figurative.
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« Reply #50 on: September 13, 2013, 09:07:01 AM »
the most dialectic Communist Party running everything.... Its literally a land of Zombies if you will.

I don't think those words mean what you think they mean...
I agree on the first, but have you not heard about literally?  The Webster's Dictionary has redefined it.

Definition of LITERALLY
1:  in a literal sense or manner :  actually <took the remark literally> <was literally insane>
2:  in effect :  virtually <will literally turn the world upside down to combat cruelty or injustice — Norman Cousins>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally

More than the word marriage is being redefined, my friends.  It is a brave new world...
Guys! They're not intercoursing. It's just an unfortunate angle.

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« Reply #51 on: September 13, 2013, 09:12:09 AM »
the most dialectic Communist Party running everything.... Its literally a land of Zombies if you will.

I don't think those words mean what you think they mean...
I agree on the first, but have you not heard about literally?  The Webster's Dictionary has redefined it.

Definition of LITERALLY
1:  in a literal sense or manner :  actually <took the remark literally> <was literally insane>
2:  in effect :  virtually <will literally turn the world upside down to combat cruelty or injustice — Norman Cousins>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally

More than the word marriage is being redefined, my friends.  It is a brave new world...


Whoever did that at Webster's is metaphorically stupid.

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« Reply #52 on: September 13, 2013, 09:15:55 AM »
the most dialectic Communist Party running everything.... Its literally a land of Zombies if you will.

I don't think those words mean what you think they mean...
I agree on the first, but have you not heard about literally?  The Webster's Dictionary has redefined it.

Definition of LITERALLY
1:  in a literal sense or manner :  actually <took the remark literally> <was literally insane>
2:  in effect :  virtually <will literally turn the world upside down to combat cruelty or injustice — Norman Cousins>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally

More than the word marriage is being redefined, my friends.  It is a brave new world...


I only trust the OED, pre-1990, before stupid words starting infiltrating it.
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« Reply #53 on: September 13, 2013, 09:56:47 AM »
Typical; worry about the grammar and ignore the content.

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« Reply #54 on: September 13, 2013, 10:17:16 AM »
Half of the replies here just crack me up  ;D

Maybe he will declare himself emperor and finally call an ecumenical council for us

We are not trying to be sarcastic but North Korea is what it is.  The most closed society on Earth with the most dialectic Communist Party running everything and everyone down to the last person in the household.  Its literally a land of Zombies if you will.

The bolded parts are true.  Content was not ignored.
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« Reply #55 on: September 14, 2013, 11:24:46 AM »
I doubt a dictator of North Korea would take any religion (except ultimate devotion of his subjects to himself) seriously.
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