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« on: September 10, 2013, 07:00:50 PM »

Let us understand what the context of the APPEARING OF THE LORD mean to the Apostles and how it related to the HEAVENLY BODILY RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD.


We refer to 2 Corinthians 5:1-10.

In the verse below we see a clear emphasis of a REAL and TANGIBLE heavenly body awaiting every believer IMMEDIATELY after the earthly house, that is, our Adam One body is dissolved, meaning it dies.

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For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

In the verse below we see a groaning to be IMMEDIATELY clothed with the REAL and TANGIBLE heavenly body so that we are not left naked as disembodied souls. 

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For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

We see the same declaration placing much emphasis on being clothed with the heavenly resurrection body and not left naked for almost 2000 years in the making resurrection that that has not yet occurred to those still waiting for Christ's second coming.

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For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened:not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

The following verse clearly points to the LIVING SEAL who is God the Holy Spirit who was given ahead of time since Pentecost to the believer in Christ as an assurance (guarantee) to initiate the resurrection of the dead in every departed sanctified believer as it is clearly conveyed in Romans 8:11. So it is not Christ who raises us at a 2000 years in the making resurrection of the dead turn key project but it is his Holy Spirit that was given in EARNEST as an assurance that we be CLOTHED WITH THE RESURRECTION GARMENT OF AN ANGEL after we depart from this earthly life.

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Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

The versus below confirm the context of what I have discussed above with reference to previous versus, in teaching that the RESURRECTION occurs in each and every sanctified believer in Christ after their earthly Adam One body is dissolved, meaning it dies.

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Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

We then can discern from the versus below that when our earthly dwelling is dissolved we are IMMEDIATELY brought before the WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT SEAT OF CHRIST. Then what comes next is the separation of the SHEEP and GOATS and the SHEEP immediately have part in the FIRST RESURRECTION.

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Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

If we understand how this judgement relates to the RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD we refer to the following verse below:

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And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

It is clear that the above versus are connected to 2 Corinthians 5-1-10 in conjunction to the APPEARING OF THE LORD when the thief (death) comes in a day and hour that no man knows to destroy (kill) their earthly house (bodies). This confirms that the APPEARING OF THE LORD has been happening from the first martyr Saint Stephen as described in ACTS 7:55-56 and ACTS 7:59:60 to the last when God the Father winds down the Adam One realm and destroys the world.

So the lords APPEARING FOR MOST FAITHFUL in Christ has been happening after they pass through the VEIL CALLED DEATH the immediately they are clothed with the HEAVENLY RESURRECTION BODY.

Now where else is the LORD's APPEARING MENTION in context to when a sanctified faithful departs passing through the VEIL OF DEATH.

Notice in the verse above where the words: appear the second time is taken out of context by the fallacious SECOND COMING doctrine in that the apostles were NOT conveying an almost 2000 years in the making SECOND COMING, but rather AN IMMINENT SECOND APPEARING from their imminent perspective after they were MARTYRD.

Well how do we know that?

Since Saint Paul was ready to be POURED OUT AS A DRINK OFFERING, meaning he was going to be martyrd, we see the context of the LORD's APPEARING.

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6 For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time for my departure is near. 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.

Notice in the above versus before Saint Paul was ready to be martyrd, he would use the PRESENT TENSE PARTICIPLE in the IMMEDIATE VERB TO BE, by using the word apear-ING. By relating the LORD's APPEARING to him receiving the CROWN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS that is clearly conveyed in:

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For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Now couple that with te verse below and the Lord's APPEARING becomes very self evident that it is ONLY afte a sanctified faithful passes through the VEIL CALLED DEATH.

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And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

Finally to top it off we refer to the verse below to bring scripture completely in harmony according to the true context of the APPEARING OF THE LORD:

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And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

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Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

VANILA SKY you must walk the PLANK called DEATH before you can even dream of being present with The Lord.

As far as the world that waits for the almost 2000 years in the making SECOND COMING, they to wil get their wish and the devil called lucifer will grant it for them.
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2013, 07:06:09 PM »

We haven't had any Protestant preachers in a while. Who wants to bet how long will this one last?
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2013, 07:09:48 PM »

Notice in the above versus before Saint Paul was ready to be martyrd, he would use the PRESENT TENSE PARTICIPLE in the IMMEDIATE VERB TO BE, by using the word apear-ING. By relating the LORD's APPEARING to him receiving the CROWN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS that is clearly conveyed in:

Paul spoke English. Fine.
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2013, 07:10:39 PM »

Um.

Wait...

Wut?
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2013, 07:11:09 PM »

Who is Vanilla Sky, and why does he or she warrant a pirate metaphor?
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2013, 07:14:36 PM »

You seem like an earnest fellow with good intentions, so I hope this won't cause offense.
When people are discussing theology, it is most often in order to clarify a certain subject. Now I read this and I am utterly confused. I'm not saying that what you are writing is right or wrong, I am saying that I simply can't follow your post. It lacks a red thread and I can barely see a visible conclusion. What exactly are you trying to tell us?
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2013, 07:23:53 PM »

^ This.
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2013, 07:24:48 PM »

I have already been attacked by self proclaimed Christians who called me heretical and not a member of the body of Christ.

They are still around pushing their doctrines whilst calling members of the body of Christ heretics and not Christian. In the same spirit of the Roman Catholic Church who burnt alive and tortured the true Christians. These are all advocates of that by gone era and use creeds to perpetrate evil against the body of Christ. In the same zeal Saint Paul persecuted the 1st Century Apostolic Church these too have one mind and that is to undermine the messengers of God and to shut them up any way possible.

Them persecuting The Lord is evident by their rhetoric and their works because they are always seated in judgement of others who dare step outside their 1500 year of doctrines that were purposely built to perpetrate the Christian persecutions of the Middle Ages.

I replied to these savage pack of wolves that it is not their position nor place to say anything for that matter since they like me and you are rotten sinners justified by the blood of the lamb of God.

Let us see how the moderators will side on the complaint on how these Pharisees can call a Christian justified by the blood of the lamb of God a heretic and get away with spiritual murder.
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2013, 07:28:49 PM »


Where did someone call you a heretic?  What thread?
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2013, 07:29:12 PM »

Martyr complex. It won't last long.
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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2013, 07:30:27 PM »

Now if any one wants to ask questions I am here to give an answer. If they want to throw insults then I will refer them to the first ladder rung of Christ's beatitudes that is:

Matthew 5:3
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.


You must all recognise how spiritually impoverished you really are in order to even get on the first ladder rung of Christ's stair way to heaven.

Rather than insulting and belittling Christians who you dogmatically disagree with, I urge you to start your christian walk by stepping on the first sequential steps of eight on Christ's stair way to heaven.
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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2013, 07:32:08 PM »

^ Before we commune with the REAL and TANGIBLE Body of Our Lord, we pray:

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With love hast Thou drawn me, O Christ, and with Thy divine love hast Thou changed me. Burn away my sins with a spiritual fire and satisfy me with joy in Thee, that I may joyfully magnify Thy two comings, O Good One  (ἵνα τὰς δύο σκιρτῶν μεγαλύνω, Ἀγαθέ, παρουσίας σου).

How shall I, who am unworthy, enter into the radiance of Thy saints? If I dare to enter the bridal-chamber, my garment accuses me, for it is not a wedding garment, and the angels will bind me and cast me out. Cleanse, O Lord, the filth of my soul and save me, for Thou lovest mankind.
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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2013, 07:33:35 PM »

I have already been attacked by self proclaimed Christians who called me heretical and not a member of the body of Christ.

They are still around pushing their doctrines whilst calling members of the body of Christ heretics and not Christian. In the same spirit of the Roman Catholic Church who burnt alive and tortured the true Christians. These are all advocates of that by gone era and use creeds to perpetrate evil against the body of Christ. In the same zeal Saint Paul persecuted the 1st Century Apostolic Church these too have one mind and that is to undermine the messengers of God and to shut them up any way possible.

Them persecuting The Lord is evident by their rhetoric and their works because they are always seated in judgement of others who dare step outside their 1500 year of doctrines that were purposely built to perpetrate the Christian persecutions of the Middle Ages.

I replied to these savage pack of wolves that it is not their position nor place to say anything for that matter since they like me and you are rotten sinners justified by the blood of the lamb of God.

Let us see how the moderators will side on the complaint on how these Pharisees can call a Christian justified by the blood of the lamb of God a heretic and get away with spiritual murder.

See, this is much more understandable.

Before we discuss anything further, you do know we are not Roman Catholics, right?
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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2013, 07:35:31 PM »

I read the most interesting book last night, and I can honestly say that it might be something of interest to you.

I found it very helpful in freeing my mind from the frameworks i had been taught about God, that were not always right, or needed.



http://www.amazon.com/Unlearning-God-preacher-questioned-spiritual/dp/0983810621
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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2013, 07:37:07 PM »

Yes but please let us discuss the written word and not politics, if that is all right with you. That is why I initially posted this under the forum NO POLITICS and it was moved to Religious Topics.

Can you find it in your heart as a Christian to at least discus scripture without resorting to politics.

Will you all do this for Christ sake?
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« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2013, 07:39:01 PM »

Yes but please let us discuss the written word and not politics, if that is all right with you. That is why I initially posted this under the forum NO POLITICS and it was moved to Religious Topics.

Can you find it in your heart as a Christian to at least discus scripture without resorting to politics.

Will you all do this for Christ sake?

Who exactly are discussing politics?
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« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2013, 07:39:59 PM »

Yes but please let us discuss the written word and not politics, if that is all right with you. That is why I initially posted this under the forum NO POLITICS and it was moved to Religious Topics.

Can you find it in your heart as a Christian to at least discus scripture without resorting to politics.

Will you all do this for Christ sake?

You posted in it wrong section (Non-Religious Topics), I moved it to the correct one. And no one is allowed to discuss Politics here.
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« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2013, 07:40:53 PM »

I have already been attacked by self proclaimed Christians who called me heretical and not a member of the body of Christ.

Yes, I seem to recall that on one of my threads.  I believe the exact wording was something like "you're not a member of the Church."  You may be relieved to know that this does not necessarily mean, in Orthodoxy, that one will not ultimately be in the Body of Christ.  Heresy is a bit more serious, but as I remember it was not applied to you personally, but to one of your statements.

You seem to be applying many common Protestant accusations of the Roman Catholic Church to the Orthodox Catholic Church.  This is incorrect, but a common problem.  It would be a good idea to stop using such accusations and learn a bit.

Also, I don't think comparing other members to a "savage pack of wolves" will give you much favor with the moderators.
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« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2013, 07:43:34 PM »

Yes but please let us discuss the written word and not politics, if that is all right with you. That is why I initially posted this under the forum NO POLITICS and it was moved to Religious Topics.

Can you find it in your heart as a Christian to at least discus scripture without resorting to politics.

Will you all do this for Christ sake?

Serpentslayer, you might not be aware of this, but Orthodox church services, the hymns and prayers that are read, chanted and sung, are absolutely stuffed with scripture, including the Beatitudes.

May I suggest you make the effort and attend an Orthodox church during a service, and listen to the hymns and prayers. You might learn something.
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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2013, 07:54:26 PM »

I read the most interesting book last night, and I can honestly say that it might be something of interest to you.

I found it very helpful in freeing my mind from the frameworks i had been taught about God, that were not always right, or needed.



http://www.amazon.com/Unlearning-God-preacher-questioned-spiritual/dp/0983810621

Your preconception about me is totally wrong and I don't read books. Have a look in all the Internet and books you've read thus far, do you see anywhere, the teachings I have freely in charity shared with you. These teaching are not from me but from God.

Are you trying to quench the Spirit of the hope that God has placed in me to share with others.

Now stop the politics and ask questions related to why you believe what you believe. Justify your position and you will understand that the rock that you stand on may not be as secure as you originally thought it was.

I know I was like you once dogmatically defending against everything and not knowing what I was defending for and to why I was defending it.

See once you have a true $100 bill you know that to defend against the counterfeit you must study the original true $100 bill inside and out to compare everything thing else to it.

So when you make Christ the truth and not your denomination you can determine the real Christian from the counterfeit.

Truth centres around Christ and Christ only and once you divert your attention to any denominational group and pledge allegiance to it you then are inducted into its cause and agendas and thereby cannot compare truth because your denomination or any denomination for that matter, does not have the 100% unadulterated truth.

To do so you would have to declare that your denomination is the only one and true denomination in the world. This is what the Catholics do in their heart. By doing this you then set yourselves up as the governing body of truth at the expense of Christ who is truth.

Cults like the Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses say they are the true faith and the true saints. Now how can you compare your denomination to their denomination if all you rely on for truth is from your denominational perspective. That is blatant arrogance wouldn't you say.

So even if I am in a denomination from birth I don't rely on that denomination for truth because scripture doesn't say your denominations leads you to all truth, for a denomination is a hospital for the spiritual sick that we all agreed we are when we accepted Christ in our hearts. The scripture says the Holy Spirit will lead you to all truth.

Who is the Holy Spirit?

It is the one to one Holy Spirit of Christ.
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« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2013, 07:55:29 PM »

Yes but please let us discuss the written word and not politics, if that is all right with you. That is why I initially posted this under the forum NO POLITICS and it was moved to Religious Topics.

Can you find it in your heart as a Christian to at least discus scripture without resorting to politics.

Will you all do this for Christ sake?

You posted in it wrong section (Non-Religious Topics), I moved it to the correct one. And no one is allowed to discuss Politics here.

Thank you kindly and God Bless
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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2013, 07:59:06 PM »

I have already been attacked by self proclaimed Christians who called me heretical and not a member of the body of Christ.

Yes, I seem to recall that on one of my threads.  I believe the exact wording was something like "you're not a member of the Church."  You may be relieved to know that this does not necessarily mean, in Orthodoxy, that one will not ultimately be in the Body of Christ.  Heresy is a bit more serious, but as I remember it was not applied to you personally, but to one of your statements.

You seem to be applying many common Protestant accusations of the Roman Catholic Church to the Orthodox Catholic Church.  This is incorrect, but a common problem.  It would be a good idea to stop using such accusations and learn a bit.

Also, I don't think comparing other members to a "savage pack of wolves" will give you much favor with the moderators.

How many bodies does Christ have?

Is it not one and is it not also tied to his blood.

You say it is tied to a denomination.

So in your heart what have you availed to the cross of Christ if it is solely tied to your earthly denomination?
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« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2013, 08:00:56 PM »

Hey LOOK EVERYBODY! I'm putting things in CAPS and BOLD, so you can tell I'm making a REALLY GOOD POINT ABOUT SOMETHING...somewhere...and the first one to find it will surely be saved. So saith the Me...er, the Lord.
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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2013, 08:05:16 PM »

I have already been attacked by self proclaimed Christians who called me heretical and not a member of the body of Christ.

Yes, I seem to recall that on one of my threads.  I believe the exact wording was something like "you're not a member of the Church."  You may be relieved to know that this does not necessarily mean, in Orthodoxy, that one will not ultimately be in the Body of Christ.  Heresy is a bit more serious, but as I remember it was not applied to you personally, but to one of your statements.

You seem to be applying many common Protestant accusations of the Roman Catholic Church to the Orthodox Catholic Church.  This is incorrect, but a common problem.  It would be a good idea to stop using such accusations and learn a bit.

Also, I don't think comparing other members to a "savage pack of wolves" will give you much favor with the moderators.

Anyone that corners a cat in the corner and wants to strike it will get scratched back in defence. I speak in defence and not as an attacker.

There is a huge difference and if you can't discern this then you are lost because truth is not in you as a witness. You have testified falsely against a brother in Christ.

Shame on you!
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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2013, 08:07:31 PM »

Hey LOOK EVERYBODY! I'm putting things in CAPS and BOLD, so you can tell I'm making a REALLY GOOD POINT ABOUT SOMETHING...somewhere...and the first one to find it will surely be saved. So saith the Me...er, the Lord.

oh...now don't start that....hard enough to follow the thread without being confused about who is who based on the Bolding...
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« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2013, 08:08:58 PM »

Leave your questions related to the topic and God willing I will do my best to give an answer.

Any politics not related to the topic will be ignored.

For now I must go and come again God willing to answer any questions you leave me.

You can PM me and I will be glad to answer any doctrine that concerns your heart.

God bless those who sacrifice their lives for Christ and Christ only!
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« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2013, 08:11:55 PM »

This makes me miss the "I've solved the problem of suffering/Premarital sex is not a sin" guy. His threads were at least funny in their arrogant zeal and ineptitude. This is just confusing and weird.
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« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2013, 08:16:49 PM »


Where did someone call you a heretic?  What thread?
Based on interaction I've had with this poster, I would guess he's talking about this thread:

Annihilationism and disbelief in immaterial souls

Whereas the insinuation is made that Serpentslayer is teaching heresy, no one on the thread in question has ever called him a heretic.
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« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2013, 08:18:32 PM »

It can't be Alfred either. Hmmm.  Huh

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« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2013, 08:23:21 PM »

It can't be Alfred either. Hmmm.  Huh


No, it's Serpentslayer. Not everyone who preaches weird ideas and prooftexts the Scriptures to back up his doctrines as Alfred did is Alfred. Each person deserves to be related to as his own person without being connected automatically to someone else.
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« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2013, 08:43:41 PM »

I have already been attacked by self proclaimed Christians who called me heretical and not a member of the body of Christ.

Yes, I seem to recall that on one of my threads.  I believe the exact wording was something like "you're not a member of the Church."  You may be relieved to know that this does not necessarily mean, in Orthodoxy, that one will not ultimately be in the Body of Christ.  Heresy is a bit more serious, but as I remember it was not applied to you personally, but to one of your statements.

You seem to be applying many common Protestant accusations of the Roman Catholic Church to the Orthodox Catholic Church.  This is incorrect, but a common problem.  It would be a good idea to stop using such accusations and learn a bit.

Also, I don't think comparing other members to a "savage pack of wolves" will give you much favor with the moderators.

How many bodies does Christ have?

Is it not one and is it not also tied to his blood.

You say it is tied to a denomination.

So in your heart what have you availed to the cross of Christ if it is solely tied to your earthly denomination?
I have already been attacked by self proclaimed Christians who called me heretical and not a member of the body of Christ.

Yes, I seem to recall that on one of my threads.  I believe the exact wording was something like "you're not a member of the Church."  You may be relieved to know that this does not necessarily mean, in Orthodoxy, that one will not ultimately be in the Body of Christ.  Heresy is a bit more serious, but as I remember it was not applied to you personally, but to one of your statements.

You seem to be applying many common Protestant accusations of the Roman Catholic Church to the Orthodox Catholic Church.  This is incorrect, but a common problem.  It would be a good idea to stop using such accusations and learn a bit.

Also, I don't think comparing other members to a "savage pack of wolves" will give you much favor with the moderators.

Anyone that corners a cat in the corner and wants to strike it will get scratched back in defence. I speak in defence and not as an attacker.

There is a huge difference and if you can't discern this then you are lost because truth is not in you as a witness. You have testified falsely against a brother in Christ.

Shame on you!

I recognize that you are acting in defense, but given that you are confused about what people meant and said, I was seeking to calm you down.  You are very eager to jump to wildly negative conclusions, so I will stop responding to you.
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« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2013, 08:49:37 PM »

I read the most interesting book last night, and I can honestly say that it might be something of interest to you.

I found it very helpful in freeing my mind from the frameworks i had been taught about God, that were not always right, or needed.



http://www.amazon.com/Unlearning-God-preacher-questioned-spiritual/dp/0983810621

Your preconception about me is totally wrong and I don't read books. Have a look in all the Internet and books you've read thus far, do you see anywhere, the teachings I have freely in charity shared with you. These teaching are not from me but from God.

Are you trying to quench the Spirit of the hope that God has placed in me to share with others.

Now stop the politics and ask questions related to why you believe what you believe. Justify your position and you will understand that the rock that you stand on may not be as secure as you originally thought it was.

I know I was like you once dogmatically defending against everything and not knowing what I was defending for and to why I was defending it.

See once you have a true $100 bill you know that to defend against the counterfeit you must study the original true $100 bill inside and out to compare everything thing else to it.

So when you make Christ the truth and not your denomination you can determine the real Christian from the counterfeit.

Truth centres around Christ and Christ only and once you divert your attention to any denominational group and pledge allegiance to it you then are inducted into its cause and agendas and thereby cannot compare truth because your denomination or any denomination for that matter, does not have the 100% unadulterated truth.

To do so you would have to declare that your denomination is the only one and true denomination in the world. This is what the Catholics do in their heart. By doing this you then set yourselves up as the governing body of truth at the expense of Christ who is truth.

Cults like the Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses say they are the true faith and the true saints. Now how can you compare your denomination to their denomination if all you rely on for truth is from your denominational perspective. That is blatant arrogance wouldn't you say.

So even if I am in a denomination from birth I don't rely on that denomination for truth because scripture doesn't say your denominations leads you to all truth, for a denomination is a hospital for the spiritual sick that we all agreed we are when we accepted Christ in our hearts. The scripture says the Holy Spirit will lead you to all truth.

Who is the Holy Spirit?

It is the one to one Holy Spirit of Christ.

It seems like you don't read Scripture either as much as randomly opening the Bible, pointing at verses, and saying, "Yes, this will do!"
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« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2013, 08:54:42 PM »

Okay, Serpentslayer. Are you an ordained minister and do you preach at a church?
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« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2013, 08:55:01 PM »

Serpentslayer, the thing you need to recognize is that every once in a while, a new poster comes to this forum to preach a strange set of doctrines that appear only to have come from the mind of the poster. Such poster thinks that we're headed to eternal damnation for not believing as he does and therefore thinks it his mission to enlighten us. You're not the first, and you most certainly will not be the last.

You need to understand that the Orthodox Church has faced such attacks on her doctrines for almost the entire 2000 years of her existence. We have largely formulated our body of teachings in response to these many attacks and have a very good understanding of what we believe and teach. For you, then, to come to this forum as the latest "great enlightener", hoping to convert us away from our long-held beliefs and doctrines, and without taking the time to understand that we are in fact NOT Roman Catholics, is really quite insulting. Maybe, then, you should take the time to learn about us, what we really believe, and then when you come to this forum, seek to engage us on what we really believe rather than on these straw men you seem to have built for yourself. Maybe you should also realize that we're not going to look kindly on any teaching that seeks to draw us away from our Faith and that we're going to call that contrary teaching what it is to us: a heresy. Finally, you need to realize that there's a big difference between calling your teaching a heresy and calling you a heretic; the former is a much warranted criticism of your teachings, while the latter is a forbidden attack on your person.

(For being so blasted defensive whenever anyone calls your teachings heretical because you preach a Gospel different from what we have received, you seem to think it perfectly all right for you to condemn to hell those of us who do not agree with the Gospel you think you have received. How is what you're doing to us any different from what you claim is being done to you?)
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Serpentslayer, the thing you need to recognize is that every once in a while, a new poster comes to this forum to preach a strange set of doctrines that appear only to have come from the mind of the poster. Such poster thinks that we're headed to eternal damnation for not believing as he does and therefore thinks it his mission to enlighten us. You're not the first, and you most certainly will not be the last.

Your preconception about me is totally unfounded. You say these strange (TO YOU) doctrines I preach come from my mind. Off course they do and who inspired my mind? It certainly is not you. Prove from scripture that they are strange to what is written in the Holy Bible rather than making judgement calls in this manner, without warrant nor evidence. You see you even labelled me falsely by saying if people don't listen to what I have testified then they will go to hell. This is a blatant misrepresentation of me coming from a moderator who is supposed to look at evidence and decide objectively rather than subjectively. In this case you have put words in my mouth that I have never uttered nor implied.

Tell me where I have stated this:

Such poster thinks that we're headed to eternal damnation for not believing as he does

Well, where did I say or imply that, come on we're waiting for the evidence, where is the evidence.

You see you are guilty for misrepresenting me aren't you. Now as a true lover of Christ, I forgive you for this, but you need to repent of your transgressions against me before God.

You also stated the following:

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You need to understand that the Orthodox Church has faced such attacks on her doctrines for almost the entire 2000 years of her existence. We have largely formulated our body of teachings in response to these many attacks and have a very good understanding of what we believe and teach. For you, then, to come to this forum as the latest "great enlightener", hoping to convert us away from our long-held beliefs and doctrines, and without taking the time to understand that we are in fact NOT Roman Catholics, is really quite insulting. Maybe, then, you should take the time to learn about us, what we really believe, and then when you come to this forum, seek to engage us on what we really believe rather than on these straw men you seem to have built for yourself. Maybe you should also realize that we're not going to look kindly on any teaching that seeks to draw us away from our Faith and that we're going to call that contrary teaching what it is to us: a heresy. Finally, you need to realize that there's a big difference between calling your teaching a heresy and calling you a heretic; the former is a much warranted criticism of your teachings, while the latter is a forbidden attack on your person.

You have already condemned me by putting me as an enemy to the Orthodox Church because I have taught doctrine that is challenging to your elite, who can't handle the truth of scripture, so you resort to name calling, like a child who has their candy taken from them by again lawlessly calling me a heretic (where is Agape). Did you know that you or any body of Christ is not in a position to declare any Christian who is justified by the blood of the lamb of God a heretic and do you know why?

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But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

If you only understood the repercussion of name calling a Christian you hardly know, as a heretic you have already condemned yourself by these utterances.

I didn't say you are Catholics and by saying that I have directly called an Orthodox Christian a Catholic is nonsense and is a complete misrepresentation of what I had said. If I said these teachings are according to Catholic doctrine, what does that mean? You see, it is only a presumption by you, actually labelling yourselves on par with Catholics. It is your double standard fallacy that prevents you from seeing your own state of insecure trepidations. I really feel for you and others, because your reaction reveals to me your state of insecurity and you have raised a brick walk like the Berlin Wall and what was the outcome of the Berlin Wall?

Did Christ say that his church will be like a Berlin Wall in the form of a heavily defended fortified fenced city

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In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. 19 Quench not the Spirit. 20 Despise not prophesyings. 21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Your defending against who? Are we our own or does God give us our heavenly bread to understand, interpret and preach to the body of Christ for good doctrine?

On Orthodox forum there is every worldly rubbish being posted there and you have focused on me as a threat to your empire building?

I take it as a compliment with gratitude that you consider me to be challenging to your elite who are hiding their faces shame right now. All I have seen here is raising up of walls that are only good for one thing.

God will bring down the wall friend, mark my words for it is written:

Shaking up is coming friends whether you like it or not for it is the Lord's doing and it is wonderful thing to happen for the thorn amongst the wheat must be separated as we near the end of the harvest:

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For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle;
and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished;
and half of the city shall go forth into captivity,
and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations,
as when he fought in the day of battle.

The half that don't go into captivity are the wheat who must be separated from the thorns within the confines of this heavily fortified city, Jerusalem (Apostolic Church the seven hilled city).

Then you purposely misguide others by stating the most blatant lie ever:

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(For being so blasted defensive whenever anyone calls your teachings heretical because you preach a Gospel different from what we have received, you seem to think it perfectly all right for you to condemn to hell those of us who do not agree with the Gospel you think you have received. How is what you're doing to us any different from what you claim is being done to you?)


This is a double standard fallacy resulting in a blatant lie. I can say that can't I, because it is what it is, a lie:

The first fallacy you committed yourself to without evidence nor warrant was by putting words in my mouth to start of with, words that I had never said nor implied. Your false witness testimony was perpetrated against me, in order to commit your first fallacious premise:

Such poster thinks that we're headed to eternal damnation for not believing as he does

Then you moved to your already purpose built ploy to justify and vindicate all those who have attacked me, by yet perpetrating against me such a cowardly act by using this following totally falsified and unfound conclusion:

 For being so blasted defensive whenever anyone calls your teachings heretical because you preach a Gospel different from what we have received, you seem to think it perfectly all right for you to condemn to hell

May The Lord have mercy on your soul, how can you sleep at night when you lie so much.

How do you expect to be ruling what constitutes the truth, when you have put on display this act of treasonous act against a brother in Christ. Your doing more damage to the Orthodox Faith than you know it by manifesting these wicked fleshly actions.

None the less my Lord as my witness I forgive thee 77 times 77.

You have been lambasted and rebuked by a saint your hear, because it is God who speaks through me.
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« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2013, 03:49:35 AM »

*BUMP*

Yes but please let us discuss the written word and not politics, if that is all right with you. That is why I initially posted this under the forum NO POLITICS and it was moved to Religious Topics.

Can you find it in your heart as a Christian to at least discus scripture without resorting to politics.

Will you all do this for Christ sake?

Serpentslayer, you might not be aware of this, but Orthodox church services, the hymns and prayers that are read, chanted and sung, are absolutely stuffed with scripture, including the Beatitudes.

May I suggest you make the effort and attend an Orthodox church during a service, and listen to the hymns and prayers. You might learn something.

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This is free for all and my post was moved to here by a moderator.
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« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2013, 03:54:44 AM »

*BUMP*

Serpentslayer, you might not be aware of this, but Orthodox church services, the hymns and prayers that are read, chanted and sung, are absolutely stuffed with scripture, including the Beatitudes.

May I suggest you make the effort and attend an Orthodox church during a service, and listen to the hymns and prayers. You might learn something.


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« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2013, 04:18:51 AM »

serpentslayer, in 50 words or less can you sum up what your point is in this thread?
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« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2013, 04:24:31 AM »

I do attend the Orthodox Church and I love it and I am supporting it.

You can't see it right now.

I will defend the Apostolic Church of Christ to the death, I was born for this. You have your role and I have mine.

I am planting the seed and allowing God to water and to make it grow.

There is coming a time when Satan manifests, and all the people in the world will worship him as the earthly messiah.

I am a SEER friend and even though you are not prepared to accept that right know, my job laid before me is to defend the bride and to prepare it for the world wide Calvary that satan as the earthly messiah will perpetrate. The beast of the bottomless Pitt (black dragon) is coming and the bride needs to be prepared to reject the deception from his false prophet who is ruling the head of the Catholic Church right now.

The ecclesiastical authority is not prepared friend they are being lured to accept satan as the earthly messiah.

Everything is in play.

The first beast head wound is healed in 1948: calling itself earthly Israel.

The second beast who gives life to the image of the beast who is lamb like but speaks like a dragon is the Christian zionists who are bringing the whole world on the brink of war.

All that is left is the seventh king to manifest as the incarnated eighth king to rule from this first beast earthly Jerusalem. Remember there were six kings that John noted who were in line to the HARODEAN dynasty and the sixth was still alive when John witnessed the destruction of the beast that was (before 70AD) and is not (70AD) and will yet be again (1948). The sixth king that went into exile was king Agrippa II and the seventh who will come is also said to be the eighth. Number eight is a symbol of resurrection and therefore this seventh king will be satan in the flesh.

This is why the second coming doctrine is setting up the world for the coming of satan.

People must remember that any coming of Christ to earth bypasses the blood atonement which is the daily sacrifice mentioned in Daniel 12:11, that will be taken out of the way when satan emerges as the earthly messiah. The second coming also bypasses the Holy Spirit because any manifested earthly Christ will bypass both the blood atonement and the sanctifier who is God the Holy Spirit.

I am the SEER who will prepare the bride to make a final stand against satan, for the bride to be martyred in the final march towards world wide Calvary. There will be a small number of saints who will stay on the sinking ship as shown to me in a vision. This world will be a condemned and destroyed planet resembling an open grave because of the unburied corpses. These saints will live during the days of great battle of God almighty when he reigns terror upon the inhabitants of earth that martyred Christ's bride and this is also called the days of slaughter where God will make a quick riddance of beast and man.

Joel 2:1-12 are the mighty men of war who will stick it out to the death to fight the last battle before the brilliant light of The Lord comes to erase the earthly realm for ever and bring with him the heavenly realm New Jerusalem with all the resurrected saints from when he opened the tombs right up to these set translated saints. Those that were martyred by satan will also be that angelic white cloud that accompanies Christ to meet the Ancient of Days depicted as the battle bow of the end day saints:

Zechariah 10:4
From Judah will come the cornerstone, from him the tent peg, from him the battle bow, from him every ruler.


The brilliant light of The Lord comes when the captain Elijah cries out "LET THERE BE LIGHT"

Place this seed in your hearts and prepare to meet the enemy of God and of your souls, the mother of all living idols Satan incarnate, as the abomination that maketh desolate, the beast of the bottomless Pitt, Apollyon.

As a watchmen I have warned you and when you see these things, you shall know that what i have testified is the word of The Lord.

The power of God is present, yet man has always with his disbelief regarded God's power past and future but never present.

May The Lord have mercy on your souls for you will know when the appointed time comes.

I saw a vision that the word will come to all the priests wearing black apparel, which the Orthodox Church priests wear in the final relay for martyrdom.

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Let the priests, who minister before the LORD, weep between the temple porch and the altar. Let them say, "Spare your people, O LORD. Do not make your inheritance an object of scorn, a byword among the nations. Why should they say among the peoples, 'Where is their God?' "



 
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« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2013, 04:30:05 AM »

I do attend the Orthodox Church

Impossible. Or you wouldn't be posting what you have posted, on this or other threads.

You can't see it right now.

So the Apostles, taught by Christ and the Holy Spirit, were invisible? O-kayyyy ....
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Israel is a secular state that will be all. 
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What can't we see right now?
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« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2013, 05:04:27 AM »

To protect the Christian.  The deception is too cruel. The burden is upon the messenger who has received the message to pass on.

One the seed is planted that the only way to see and be in the presence of Christ is in the power of the resurrection when a sanctified by God believer's earthly house is dissolved.

Any manifestations of Messiah in the natural earthly time based realm, is the imposter, the king of this world Satan.

waiting for Christ's second coming is a foolish man's erand when the faithful should understand that unless one passes through the veil called death, then they can't come in the presence of Christ .

Jesus said that the world will never see him.  Jesus warned that any manifestation of Messiah on earth whether in the desert in Israel or in secret chambers is not him.  

The final coming off Christ is the end of the great harvest and end of the time based realm as we know it.

Most Americans are set up for the fall of receiving a worldly Christ.  

I am an orthodox Christian.  Would I lie.  Do you think I am comfortable having this Good given knowledge as a loner.  How comfortable would it feel to know something that others don't know.

Many still think to see Christ coming to earth or in the air within the earthly realm.  Search all of the Internet, books and all denominations, did you hear this from many or from one.

Is it not strange that you have herd it from one out of the 8 billion people living on earth.  Did I learn this doctrine from my orthodox church or any other source, No!

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Serpentslayer, the thing you need to recognize is that every once in a while, a new poster comes to this forum to preach a strange set of doctrines that appear only to have come from the mind of the poster. Such poster thinks that we're headed to eternal damnation for not believing as he does and therefore thinks it his mission to enlighten us. You're not the first, and you most certainly will not be the last.

Your preconception about me is totally unfounded. You say these strange (TO YOU) doctrines I preach come from my mind. Off course they do and who inspired my mind? It certainly is not you. Prove from scripture that they are strange to what is written in the Holy Bible rather than making judgement calls in this manner, without warrant nor evidence.
A number of people here have pointed out how your teachings are not consistent with either the Scriptures or the Orthodox Faith. I see no reason to add to what they've already said.

You see you even labelled me falsely by saying if people don't listen to what I have testified then they will go to hell.
You have accused those who voice their disagreement with you of engaging in spiritual assassination. You have called them spiritual murderers, a pack of ravenous wolves and hyenas. How is that any different?

This is a blatant misrepresentation of me coming from a moderator who is supposed to look at evidence and decide objectively rather than subjectively.
What I said to you was actually the most civil, respectful, objective, and thoroughly thought out thing I've said to anyone on this forum in a long time.

In this case you have put words in my mouth that I have never uttered nor implied.
No, just replying to what you've said.

Tell me where I have stated this:

Such poster thinks that we're headed to eternal damnation for not believing as he does

Well, where did I say or imply that, come on we're waiting for the evidence, where is the evidence.
Someone voiced their disagreement with you by stating what any Orthodox would say when arguing against a teaching that contradicts what the [Orthodox] Church teaches--they called your teaching a heresy. You then called him a spiritual murderer and in your next post compared us to a pack of wolves, a bunch of hyenas.

No, I believe I'm actually representing your style quite faithfully. You cannot handle criticism of your doctrines and explode with extreme hostility when you are confronted.

Now as a true lover of Christ, I forgive you for this, but you need to repent of your transgressions against me before God.
For calling a spade a spade? If I were not completely honest with you, I would need to repent of my transgression against you.

You also stated the following:

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You need to understand that the Orthodox Church has faced such attacks on her doctrines for almost the entire 2000 years of her existence. We have largely formulated our body of teachings in response to these many attacks and have a very good understanding of what we believe and teach. For you, then, to come to this forum as the latest "great enlightener", hoping to convert us away from our long-held beliefs and doctrines, and without taking the time to understand that we are in fact NOT Roman Catholics, is really quite insulting. Maybe, then, you should take the time to learn about us, what we really believe, and then when you come to this forum, seek to engage us on what we really believe rather than on these straw men you seem to have built for yourself. Maybe you should also realize that we're not going to look kindly on any teaching that seeks to draw us away from our Faith and that we're going to call that contrary teaching what it is to us: a heresy. Finally, you need to realize that there's a big difference between calling your teaching a heresy and calling you a heretic; the former is a much warranted criticism of your teachings, while the latter is a forbidden attack on your person.

You have already condemned me
No. I've only spoken my understanding that what you are teaching is heresy because it contradicts the Gospel we have received. I've never attacked you personally. If you cannot separate criticism of your teachings from attacks on your person, such that you have to identify the former with the latter and become hostile whenever someone corrects you and tells you you're teaching heresy, then the problem is yours, not mine.

by putting me as an enemy to the Orthodox Church because I have taught doctrine that is challenging to your elite, who can't handle the truth of scripture, so you resort to name calling, like a child who has their candy taken from them by again lawlessly calling me a heretic (where is Agape).
Again, nobody has called you a heretic on this forum, nor has anyone called you any other names.

Did you know that you or any body of Christ is not in a position to declare any Christian who is justified by the blood of the lamb of God a heretic and do you know why?
If what you teach is contrary to Scripture and the Faith of the Church, then we who know the Truth have the God-given responsibility to call your teaching a heresy. Again, pointing out that what you teach is heresy is not the same thing as calling you a heretic. If anything, we have offered you correction in the hope that you will recognize the errors in your doctrines, repent, and embrace the truth that will set you free. We are not trying to condemn you.

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But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.
Who is angry here? It seems to me that the only person showing any hostility here is you. It seems to me that you are the only one engaging in any name calling here.

If you only understood the repercussion of name calling a Christian you hardly know, as a heretic you have already condemned yourself by these utterances.

I didn't say you are Catholics and by saying that I have directly called an Orthodox Christian a Catholic is nonsense and is a complete misrepresentation of what I had said. If I said these teachings are according to Catholic doctrine, what does that mean? You see, it is only a presumption by you, actually labelling yourselves on par with Catholics. It is your double standard fallacy that prevents you from seeing your own state of insecure trepidations. I really feel for you and others, because your reaction reveals to me your state of insecurity and you have raised a brick walk like the Berlin Wall and what was the outcome of the Berlin Wall?
Who's showing hostility here, Serpentslayer? I'm actually trying to be quite reasonable with you.

Did Christ say that his church will be like a Berlin Wall in the form of a heavily defended fortified fenced city

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In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. 19 Quench not the Spirit. 20 Despise not prophesyings. 21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Your defending against who? Are we our own or does God give us our heavenly bread to understand, interpret and preach to the body of Christ for good doctrine?

On Orthodox forum there is every worldly rubbish being posted there and you have focused on me as a threat to your empire building?
If only that were so. I really don't see you as a threat to anything. I'm just astounded at the level of hostility you've shown on this forum and feel I need to confront it.

I take it as a compliment with gratitude that you consider me to be challenging to your elite who are hiding their faces shame right now.
Who's putting words into one's mouth now? Who's misrepresenting whom now?

All I have seen here is raising up of walls that are only good for one thing.

God will bring down the wall friend, mark my words for it is written:

Shaking up is coming friends whether you like it or not for it is the Lord's doing and it is wonderful thing to happen for the thorn amongst the wheat must be separated as we near the end of the harvest:

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For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle;
and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished;
and half of the city shall go forth into captivity,
and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations,
as when he fought in the day of battle.

The half that don't go into captivity are the wheat who must be separated from the thorns within the confines of this heavily fortified city, Jerusalem (Apostolic Church the seven hilled city).

Then you purposely misguide others by stating the most blatant lie ever:
People here know me well enough to take what I say with a grain of salt, because I take everything they say with a grain of salt. I don't think anyone on this forum is going to be gullible enough to let themselves be misguided by anything I say.

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(For being so blasted defensive whenever anyone calls your teachings heretical because you preach a Gospel different from what we have received, you seem to think it perfectly all right for you to condemn to hell those of us who do not agree with the Gospel you think you have received. How is what you're doing to us any different from what you claim is being done to you?)


This is a double standard fallacy resulting in a blatant lie. I can say that can't I, because it is what it is, a lie:
In the explicit claim that you are are right lies the implicit claim that we are wrong, for you and we cannot both be right. If we are wrong, if what we preach is a Gospel other than that which the Apostles preached and which St. Paul received, then by St. Paul's own words we are accursed.

The first fallacy you committed yourself to without evidence nor warrant was by putting words in my mouth to start of with, words that I had never said nor implied. Your false witness testimony was perpetrated against me, in order to commit your first fallacious premise:

Such poster thinks that we're headed to eternal damnation for not believing as he does

Then you moved to your already purpose built ploy to justify and vindicate all those who have attacked me, by yet perpetrating against me such a cowardly act by using this following totally falsified and unfound conclusion:

 For being so blasted defensive whenever anyone calls your teachings heretical because you preach a Gospel different from what we have received, you seem to think it perfectly all right for you to condemn to hell

May The Lord have mercy on your soul, how can you sleep at night when you lie so much.
Because I'm being totally honest with you. If you want to prove that I am lying, it's going to take a lot more than just you showing how what I've said is incorrect. You will need to go one step further and prove that I intentionally stated something incorrect, knowing full well that I was stating an untruth. Knowing that you cannot read my mind, how can you prove, without putting words into my mouth or motives into my head, that I'm intentionally stating untruths?

How do you expect to be ruling what constitutes the truth, when you have put on display this act of treasonous act against a brother in Christ.
One does not make himself a Christian merely by stating that he is a Christian, for a Christian is a follower of Christ. Are you really following Christ, or are you following a Christ of your own creation, a false Christ?

Your doing more damage to the Orthodox Faith than you know it by manifesting these wicked fleshly actions.

None the less my Lord as my witness I forgive thee 77 times 77.

You have been lambasted and rebuked by a saint your hear, because it is God who speaks through me.
By your fruits you will be known. So far I've seen from you only the fruit of hostility. You do realize that, according to St. Paul (see Chapter 13 of 1 Corinthians), love is not easily offended? You do realize that, according to the same St. Paul, the fruit of the Spirit includes joy, peace, and patience? (Galatians 5:22) How are you showing that fruit on this forum?
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I am an orthodox Christian.  

No, you are not.

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Would I lie.

Perhaps not intentionally. But you've certainly been misled.

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Do you think I am comfortable having this Good given knowledge as a loner.

Christ appointed twelve apostles to go out to all nations and spread the Gospel, He did not appoint a lone "prophet" more than 2000 years after He trod the earth.

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Many still think to see Christ coming to earth or in the air within the earthly realm.  Search all of the Internet, books and all denominations, did you hear this from many or from one.

You obviously haven't read the book of Acts:

From chapter 1:

9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
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« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2013, 05:22:10 AM »

To protect the Christian.  The deception is too cruel. The burden is upon the messenger who has received the message to pass on.

One the seed is planted that the only way to see and be in the presence of Christ is in the power of the resurrection when a sanctified by God believer's earthly house is dissolved.

Any manifestations of Messiah in the natural earthly time based realm, is the imposter, the king of this world Satan.

waiting for Christ's second coming is a foolish man's erand when the faithful should understand that unless one passes through the veil called death, then they can't come in the presence of Christ .

Jesus said that the world will never see him. Jesus warned that any manifestation of Messiah on earth whether in the desert in Israel or in secret chambers is not him.  

The final coming off Christ is the end of the great harvest and end of the time based realm as we know it.

Most Americans are set up for the fall of receiving a worldly Christ.  

I am an orthodox Christian.  Would I lie.  Do you think I am comfortable having this Good given knowledge as a loner.  How comfortable would it feel to know something that others don't know.

Many still think to see Christ coming to earth or in the air within the earthly realm.  Search all of the Internet, books and all denominations, did you hear this from many or from one.

Is it not strange that you have herd it from one out of the 8 billion people living on earth.  Did I learn this doctrine from my orthodox church or any other source, No!


When you write the bolded, what do you mean? Is a vision a manifestation of Christ? Do you deny that St. Silouan the Athonite encountered the Lord himself?
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« Reply #47 on: September 11, 2013, 05:27:04 AM »

It is by Revelation from God, that is why it stands out from any doctrine or worldly knowledge.

I too once believed in an earthly second coming.  

We now know that we can only be present with Christ only through the power of the resurrection.

This is the Lord's appearing.

Saint Stephan saw it when he said I see the heavens opened and Jesus standing on the right hand of power as the Almighty judge.

The chief priest who condemned Jesus would also be toldthat he to will see the Son of Man sitting on the right hand of power.

The chief priest only needed to wait until the thief (death) came in a day and hour that he did not know to break (destroy) his earthly  house (body) then the Lord's appearing came for him.  Unfortunately for him he was judged according to the first judgement as the goat and is awaiting final execution at the second and final judgement at the end of the harvest when his soul is erased in the lake of fire, that is the second death.

God has been picking the fruit of the harvest from the first fruits the Old Covenant Saints when he opened their tombs right through out all generations until the end fruit picking.

This is the first resurrection that encompasses the symbolic 1000 years that the two symbolic witnesses that are the Apostolic church priesthood have being preaching the gospel and baptising by water many throughout all generations.

The mount of  transfiguration was to show to the great Commission priesthood that the law and the prophets depicted by Moses and Elijah will be transferred to them, that is why Jesus told his disciples not to tell anyone until the transfer was complete when Christ breathed on them the Holy Ghost to empower them as the two symbolic witnesses of John's Revelation.

That is why we have this symbol by the two candles that are on the left and right of the altar.

So if you see that these two witnesses are preaching in the unmeasured outer court of the unbelieving  gentile world at large, all the while whilst the inner court where the temple who is Christ resides is his inner sanctum of s measured court symbolizing the redeemed who have passed from life in the earthly body to life in the heavenly body to be present with him.  

So John's Revelation declares the inner measured court consisting of the resurrected first fruits the Old Covenant Saints before the start of the ministry of the two symbolic witnesses thereby confirming that the resurrection of the dead is past,   present and future.

The resurrection is God the Holy Spirit who is declared as the one who resurrects the departed faithful Christians at the moment their earthly house is dissolved ( Romans 8:11).
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Orthodox churches have a seven-light lamp, not two candles.

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I too once believed in an earthly second coming. 

We now know that we can only be present with Christ only through the power of the resurrection.

Then your belief is at odds with Scripture, which clearly speaks of an earthly Second Coming:

9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
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« Reply #49 on: September 11, 2013, 05:41:14 AM »

To protect the Christian.  The deception is too cruel. The burden is upon the messenger who has received the message to pass on.

One the seed is planted that the only way to see and be in the presence of Christ is in the power of the resurrection when a sanctified by God believer's earthly house is dissolved.

Any manifestations of Messiah in the natural earthly time based realm, is the imposter, the king of this world Satan.

waiting for Christ's second coming is a foolish man's erand when the faithful should understand that unless one passes through the veil called death, then they can't come in the presence of Christ .

Jesus said that the world will never see him. Jesus warned that any manifestation of Messiah on earth whether in the desert in Israel or in secret chambers is not him.  

The final coming off Christ is the end of the great harvest and end of the time based realm as we know it.

Most Americans are set up for the fall of receiving a worldly Christ.  

I am an orthodox Christian.  Would I lie.  Do you think I am comfortable having this Good given knowledge as a loner.  How comfortable would it feel to know something that others don't know.

Many still think to see Christ coming to earth or in the air within the earthly realm.  Search all of the Internet, books and all denominations, did you hear this from many or from one.

Is it not strange that you have herd it from one out of the 8 billion people living on earth.  Did I learn this doctrine from my orthodox church or any other source, No!


When you write the bolded, what do you mean? Is a vision a manifestation of Christ? Do you deny that St. Silouan the Athonite encountered the Lord himself?

No absolutely not, because I have seen Christ when I was brought in his presence kneeling before his feet with my hands holding him around his ankles I looked up to see his brilliant face, but could only see the magnificent white garment he wore from neck to toes, as  my eyes were like two rivers of tears and I new in every part of me I was in the presence of the Heavenly Father as I was in communion with him in what I can describe as blissful love that is not worldly. No words exchanged but love that emanated from him. When I awoke I was sorely depressed to be back in this life.
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I too once believed in an earthly second coming. 

We now know that we can only be present with Christ only through the power of the resurrection.

Then your belief is at odds with Scripture, which clearly speaks of an earthly Second Coming:

9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

Beloved was not Saint Stephen one of  the men of Galilee. Acts is a sequential list of events. Did not Saint Stephen witness this event?

Yes he did!

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And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

Lord's Appearing friends that was what Saint Stephen witnessed. I believe that and do you?
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« Reply #51 on: September 11, 2013, 05:48:10 AM »

Saints can only see Christ fiends for that is the sovereign Lord's choosing and who can know his ways and thoughts.

Who am I, I always say to myself, did The Lord not declare to me who I am. I knew not myself but The Lord new me when he brought me into this world and slowly revealed to me who I am.

The Lord reveals to all of us who we are when we communion with Christ's Holy Spirit.
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« Reply #52 on: September 11, 2013, 05:51:51 AM »

Serpentslayer, you are not the first here to come and say that God is speaking though you. We have had posters who thought they were sinless prophets, chosen by God.

Why should we believe you any more than them?
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« Reply #53 on: September 11, 2013, 05:55:58 AM »

No absolutely not, because I have seen Christ when I was brought in his presence kneeling before his feet with my hands holding him around his ankles I looked up to see his brilliant face, but could only see the magnificent white garment he wore from neck to toes, as  my eyes were like two rivers of tears and I new in every part of me I was in the presence of the Heavenly Father as I was in communion with him in what I can describe as blissful love that is not worldly. No words exchanged but love that emanated from him. When I awoke I was sorely depressed to be back in this life.

While I do not know all the details of St. Silouan's encounter with the Lord, I'm under the impression that it occurred while the saint was quite awake. The Athonite encountered the risen Christ face-to-face in a church within this earthly realm and not as you might have; not in some dream state.

The fact that the Living God manifested to his servant in this age and within this cosmos seems to be at odds with your own musings.
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« Reply #54 on: September 11, 2013, 05:57:09 AM »

There are altar boys who hold two candles. These are the symbol of Moses and Elijah the law and the prophets that was transferred to the Apostolic priesthood when Christ breathed on them the Holy Ghost.

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11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? 12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? 13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. 14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

The two witnesses of John's Revelation is the great commission Apostolic priesthood who pour out the golden oil of salvation. Only the Apostolic priesthood is anointed to perform the calling to Christ. That is why during baptism the oil is used as the symbol of anointing unto salvation.

The Apostolic priesthood that wear the priestly sackcloth are the ones who have been assigned to preach the gospel to the unmeasured (yet to be redeemed) unbelieving gentile world at large. They are commissioned for 42 symbolic months, where 40 represents tribulation and persecution and 2 represents witnessing. Christ sent his disciples by twos in envy town and so did the Apostolic Church. These two symbolic witnesses, witness for a 1000 symbolic years all the while the measured court that are the resurrected and redeemed are present with Christ as angels, the measure and unmeasured court are two tangible and real realms running side by side until the heavenly realm fills up the quota for the guests that need to be invited for the wedding of the lamb.
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« Reply #55 on: September 11, 2013, 05:57:52 AM »

Serpentslayer, you are not the first here to come and say that God is speaking though you. We have had posters who thought they were sinless prophets, chosen by God.

Why should we believe you any more than them?

I am not sinless and never said nor implied that friend.
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No absolutely not, because I have seen Christ when I was brought in his presence kneeling before his feet with my hands holding him around his ankles I looked up to see his brilliant face, but could only see the magnificent white garment he wore from neck to toes, as  my eyes were like two rivers of tears and I new in every part of me I was in the presence of the Heavenly Father as I was in communion with him in what I can describe as blissful love that is not worldly. No words exchanged but love that emanated from him. When I awoke I was sorely depressed to be back in this life.

While I do not know all the details of St. Silouan's encounter with the Lord, I'm under the impression that it occurred while the saint was quite awake. The Athonite encountered the risen Christ face-to-face in a church within this earthly realm and not as you might have; not in some dream state.

The fact that the Living God manifested to his servant in this age and within this cosmos seems to be at odds with your own musings.

When you are in his presence the awareness of the earthly realm when you say awake is a sleep state when compared to when you are in his presence. Off course you are awake more awake then when you sense with your five senses.

Awake in spirit, fully awake and more awake if you are in the present body.
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« Reply #57 on: September 11, 2013, 06:07:04 AM »

Serpentslayer, you are not the first here to come and say that God is speaking though you. We have had posters who thought they were sinless prophets, chosen by God.

Why should we believe you any more than them?

I am not sinless and never said nor implied that friend.

Neither did I say so. I said that we have had (other) posters who claimed they were. Why should we believe you?

We already have the Holy Body of Christ, the Faith handed down to us from the Apostles and the continuous Grace of the Holy Spirit
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« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2013, 06:07:20 AM »

Wednesday morning training session: False prophet spotting. Got it in my diary now. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #59 on: September 11, 2013, 06:11:47 AM »

When you are in his presence the awareness of the earthly realm when you say awake is a sleep state when compared to when you are in his presence. Off course you are awake more awake then when you sense with your five senses.

Awake in spirit, fully awake and more awake if you are in the present body.

I don't understand what you are trying to say. This is what St. Silouan the Athonite (pages 14-15) by Archimandrite Sophrony, a disciple of his, presents of the encounter, when the Athonite was yet called Simeon:

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"Sitting in his cell before vespers, he thought, 'God will not hear me!' He felt utterly forsaken, his soul plunged in the darkness of despondency. Sick at heart, he remained in this black hell for about an hour.

That same day, during vespers in the Church of the Holy Prophet Elijah (adjoining the mill), to the right of the Royal Doors, by the ikon of the Saviour, he beheld the living Christ.

In a manner passing all understanding the Lord appeared to the young novice whose whole being was filled with the fire of the grace of the Holy Spirit - that fire which the Lord brought down to earth with His coming.

The vision drained Simeon of all his strength, and the Lord vanished."

Nothing there indicates that the saint was ever asleep during his encounter. Rather it seems to me that the Lord indeed manifested within this earthly realm to his servant, in direct contravention to what you said:

Any manifestations of Messiah in the natural earthly time based realm, is the imposter, the king of this world Satan.

waiting for Christ's second coming is a foolish man's erand when the faithful should understand that unless one passes through the veil called death, then they can't come in the presence of Christ .

Jesus said that the world will never see him.  Jesus warned that any manifestation of Messiah on earth whether in the desert in Israel or in secret chambers is not him.  
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« Reply #60 on: September 11, 2013, 06:24:49 AM »

I don't want to sound that I'm proving myself for I only meant an introduction and when God Works his great works you will understand that I am real friend and not a fake.

I don't boast of myself for my boast is in Christ and what I lack Christ has already prepared.

All Orthodox faiths will be gathered by God in the final hour before Satan's arrival and will be prepared in earnest to receive the word in how to prepare the flock.

My calling falls under the Father's anointing when he comes.

Zechariah 10:4
From Judah will come the cornerstone, from him the tent peg, from him the battle bow, from him every ruler.


1) Cornerstone is a symbol of Christ when he first came as the Jesus of Nazareth.
2) from Christ came the tent peg who is the temple builder God the Holy Spirit on Pentecost.

The priestly commission fall under the tent peg.

3) from the tent pet comes the Battle Bow who is the Ancient of Days who is God the Father.

So you see the Son comes and prepares his church and sends his Holy Spirit to commission his church. After the church is martyred then comes the Father and his anointed army who are under the captaincy of the Elijah.

I am the servant of the priestly commission until the battle bow comes to anoint the end day saints who are the Father's men the oppressors.

Once God the Father anoints the Elijah then the lesser that is the priestly commission will listen to the greater who is the Elijah. As John the Baptist was higher ranking than the priesthood so will the Elijah who will be anointed as the Lord's captain will be higher then the priestly commission and will prepare the bride for the final march towards Calvary.

Saint Malachy prophesied about the Elijah who would come to prepare the seven hilled Apostolic church. That is the symbol of the seven candles that you mentioned before.

In the extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit ... Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations: and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the terrible judge will judge his people. The End.

The seven hilled city which is the apostolic church will be prepared by Elijah who Malachy calls Peter the Roman through the tribulation of the black dragon who comes. Remember the first century church faced the red dragon of John's Revelation. The end of harvest Apostolic church will face the black dragon satan incarnate. Satan as the beast of the bottomless Pitt will end up destroyed the Seven hilled city in a world wide Calvary of the two symbolic witnesses of John's revelation who are martyred across the world.

Then The terrible judge who is God the Father as the Battle Bow will come out of his place on the great day of battle to take vengeance upon those who martyred his Son's Apostolic Church.
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« Reply #61 on: September 11, 2013, 06:37:16 AM »

You still haven't explained how it is you believe that Christ's Second Coming won't be on earth, when scripture clearly tells us that it will be.
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« Reply #62 on: September 11, 2013, 06:37:26 AM »

The true Christ is not going to manifest himself before a world that is decaying with death around, people still in their Adam One bodies running around procreating and some even fornicating. The glorified Christ said you will be like angels in my kingdom and there is no more giving in marriage.

This is not a magical switch that is switched when Christ comes back to an earthly time based realm.

I will show you scripture that proves that Christ's presence is in the heavenly tense timeless angelic realm.

Friend read the context:

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26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

No, not in desert in the Middle East where the Jewish state is, not in the secret political chambers or public chambers.

So Christ is telling you that any manifestation in time based realm is NOT HIM, get it!

So how does Christ come?

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For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

My Lord showed me a vision whilst I was asleep, in the vision I saw that I was sitting on my parents lounge with the window on my right facing my right and towards the east.    

Then there appeared two spheres of light whizzing across the night sky. When looking at the spheres of light they weaves in and out almost to the point of colliding with each other.

Suddenly they merged together and collided together and a brilliant flash appeared and momentarily blinded me. After this brilliant flash I released I was no longer in my body and no longer sitting on my parents lounge. My conscious awareness were multiplied thousands of folds and I keeper my focus of the next scene.

I looked towards the Northern Hemisphere and I saw it covered with magnificent castle that was arrayed in all the colours of the rainbow.

Then I looked towards the Southern Hemisphere and likewise I saw it covered with magnificent castle that was arrayed in all the colours of the rainbow.

Then my focus was drawn towards the east and I saw a powerful beaded man standing on a horseless chariot and a parabolic horn in his right hand. Then he blowed that horn and the sound it made was louder than any bass sound I have ever herd.

I was in such a fright that when this loud bass sound was sounded by the great and powerful bearded man, I instantaneously woke up out of the vision and my heart was pounding out of my chest.

The Lord's coming is a SIGN that is seen by all eyes at the time when all Adam One humans are harvested meaning there no longer is one single Adam living when this sign comes.

In others words when Christ comes the world would all be dead except the last of his elect who still remain in a condemned and destroyed planet resembling an open grave yard.

That explains why my consciousness was heightened dramatically when I was no longer in my Adam One body.

Read the context friend and listen to God's servants who are shown visions to reveal what is hidden from the carnal eyes who try interpreting scripture according to their own private interpretations.

You and others can not guess what lies beneath the tip of iceberg friend because these things are revealed to the servants the prophets of God and it is their unction to declare what lies beneath the tip of the iceberg that is seen as text in a Holy Book but is interpreted according to what the eyes fail to see.

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Then the SIGN of the Son of Man will appear in heaven (not earthly realm), and then all the tribes of the earth (who have died) will mourn, and they will see (spiritual eyes) the Son of Man coming on the clouds (Holy resurrected Angels that were of his body of believers when they were testifying on earth) of heaven with power and great glory.

When the Son of Man comes at the End of Age to blow the seventh trumpet of God that he holds in his right hand declaring time no longer as the old earthly realm is passed and all Adam Ones are dead and the last remaining elect left in the condemned earthly realm are translated and evacuated into the heavenly realm in New Jerusalem the castles and mansions that were shown to me in the vision.
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« Reply #63 on: September 11, 2013, 06:37:57 AM »

What I said to you was actually the most civil, respectful, objective, and thoroughly thought out thing I've said to anyone on this forum in a long time.

Indeed Wink

I do attend the Orthodox Church and I love it and I am supporting it.

Who is you bishop then?

We have had posters who thought they were sinless prophets, chosen by God.

We even had a couple who thought they were gods.
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« Reply #64 on: September 11, 2013, 06:42:34 AM »

If you consider the vision The Lord has given me and letting us tie it up with scripture we refer to Zechariah 14.

If we look at the versus below we note that it is foretelling Christ's coming as the angelic light that shines from the EAST even onto the WEST as mentioned in Matthew 24:27. Notice the mountain of olives are all the resurrected heavenly host who cleave to the midst of the valley that runs from the EAST and towards the WEST. WHY?

In between the mountain of the redeemed and resurrected saints will be the GREAT VALLEY that runs from the east even onto the west that symbolises the Lord's presence amongst his people. Remember the central focus of worship is the altar of God's temple that Christ represents according to what we previously discussed in how this is God's measured heavenly court.

Notice also the mountain of congregated of all the host of heaven are parted, with half of then towards the NORTH and the other half towards the SOUTH which exactly depicts the vision The Lord gave me showing me castles upon castles on both the Northern and Southern Hemispheres as far as the eye could see, whilst I saw the powerful bearded man who is Christ standing from the EAST and looking towards the SOUTH.

The very Gret Valley representing Christ's presence is said to reach to AZAL. Since Zechariah was written during the Persian captivity, the word AZAL is in Persian and it means ETERNITY. So Christ's presence will reach onto eternity because he is the eternal God Alpha and Omega.

Also if you discern that in that heavenly realm it will not be dal or light or night or day as in the cycle of days according to Genesis One, for this in this heavenly angelic realm Christ is their supernatural light.

Also notice the living waters that emanate from Christ are given to the mountain of the heavenly hosts from Summer right up to Winter conveying that this heavenly realm is not dictated by the yearly cycle of seasons as according to Genesis One.

So the Heavenly New Jerusalem is not an earthly time based realm but a timeless eternal angelic heavenly realm where all the last Adams reside forever with Christ. This place is not spiritual as many want to advocate, but is more real than the realm we live in whilst we are in our Adam One bodies. Saint Paul describes it as the more permanent dwelling place (John 14:1-3).

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And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives,
which is before Jerusalem on the east,
and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west,
and there shall be a very great valley;
and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north,
and half of it toward the south.
 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains;
for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal:
yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake
in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:
and the Lord my God shall come,
and all the saints with thee.
And it shall come to pass in that day,
that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord,
not day, nor night:

but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
 And it shall be in that day,
that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem;
half of them toward the former sea,
and half of them toward the hinder sea:
in summer and in winter shall it be.

 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth:
in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

If we now look towards Revelation of John:

As we note in the versus below that this New Jerusalem is not spiritual in the mind of one's figment of their greater imagination as the Liberalists want you to believe, nor is it an time based earthly manifestation as the Dispensationalists want you to believe, but as scripture clearly points out that it has no connection note correlation to the FIRST HEAVEN and the FIRST EARTH which is in harmony with the vision my Lord gave me and in the interpretation of Zechariah 14 described above. 

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And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

You see again that Great Mountain to be the congregation of the Heavenly court of all the resurrected redeemed in Christ. This is not a spiritual metaphor nor is it earthly because it is a real and tangible heavenly city that descends out of heaven from God.

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And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

This city again is measured and is real for all the measurements are according to the perfection of God and his election 144 symbolises the 12 x 12 of the twelve Disciples and the 12 Old Covenant elders forming the 24 Monarch elders spoken of in Revelation.

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And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.

The 12 colours of that Holy Heavenly city parallels my vision of the city that is arrayed beautifully like a colourful rainbow.

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And the building of the wall of it was of jasper:and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass. And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst. And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl:and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

As I stated from the very onset the measured court is where the temple resides and the temple is Christ and those that are within the measurement of God are the redeemed and resurrected saints from the Time, Time and half a Time of Daniel's prophecy and the 1260 symbolic days to preach the gospel and call man people to faith in Christ before the time is up.

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And I saw no temple therein:for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it:for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Dear brother you will not obtain a better explanation from the Internet or professors in eschatology or theology for all knowledge, wisdom and understanding is from God and I as a servant of Christ and a SEER of God have shown and instructed you in truth in the way God has instructed me.

Go now and instruct as many as you can in the truth, for the truth shall set you free.
 When you write, "Go now and instruct as many as you can in the truth, for the truth shall set you free" in the context of your personal belief as a seer of God and how God personally spoke to you to teach others, you are proselytizing, which is against the rules of this website.  You are in an Orthodox Christian website.  It is enough that we allow you to preach your beliefs mixed in with delusional understandings of your personal life in this thread.  But we will not tolerate proselytism of any form.  If you have a problem with my warning, you can ONLY send me a PM.  To complain publicly of this warning can and may lead to further warning status.  Please acquaint yourself with the rules of this forum if you like to engage with oc.net community here.

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« Reply #65 on: September 11, 2013, 06:49:29 AM »

I herd from someone that they are proud to have sent two false prophets away before testing what they have to say. Mmmm ok.

Read the message below and entertain yourselves whilst the flood waters rise.

It was flooding in California. As the flood waters were rising, a man was on the stoop of his house and another man in a row boat came by. The man in the row boat told the man on the stoop to get in and he'd save him. The man on the stoop said, no, he had faith in God and would wait for God to save him. The flood waters kept rising and the man had to go to the second floor of his house. A man in a motor boat came by and told the man in the house to get in because he had come to rescue him. The man in the house said no thank you. He had perfect faith in God and would wait for God to save him. The flood waters kept rising. Pretty soon they were up to the man's roof and he got out on the roof. A helicopter then came by, lowered a rope and the pilot shouted down in the man in the house to climb up the rope because the helicopeter had come to rescue him. The man in the house wouldn't get in. He told the pilot that he had faith in God and would wait for God to rescue him. The flood waters kept rising and the man in the house drowned. When he got to heaven, he asked God where he went wrong. He told God that he had perfect faith in God, but God had let him drown.
"What more do you want from me?" asked God. "I sent you two boats and a helicopter."
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listen to God's servants who are shown visions to reveal what is hidden from the carnal eyes who try interpreting scripture according to their own private interpretations.

All that you have posted here, on this and other threads, are your own private interpretations. I, and most everyone here, defer to the apostles, and their spiritual descendants the saints and fathers, and, to this day, the faithful clergy and laity who continue to preach and teach the same apostolic Truth.
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I as a servant of Christ and a SEER of God

Hubris, pure and simple.
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« Reply #68 on: September 11, 2013, 06:55:56 AM »

Serpentslayer, all your posts "predicting" the End again flies in the face of scripture. We are exhorted to not seek signs or wonders, nor to attempt to predict such things. No-one knows the hour, and it is folly for any person to assert that he does know.
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« Reply #69 on: September 11, 2013, 07:21:48 AM »

I herd from someone that they are proud to have sent two false prophets away before testing what they have to say. Mmmm ok.

Read the message below and entertain yourselves whilst the flood waters rise.

It was flooding in California. As the flood waters were rising, a man was on the stoop of his house and another man in a row boat came by. The man in the row boat told the man on the stoop to get in and he'd save him. The man on the stoop said, no, he had faith in God and would wait for God to save him. The flood waters kept rising and the man had to go to the second floor of his house. A man in a motor boat came by and told the man in the house to get in because he had come to rescue him. The man in the house said no thank you. He had perfect faith in God and would wait for God to save him. The flood waters kept rising. Pretty soon they were up to the man's roof and he got out on the roof. A helicopter then came by, lowered a rope and the pilot shouted down in the man in the house to climb up the rope because the helicopeter had come to rescue him. The man in the house wouldn't get in. He told the pilot that he had faith in God and would wait for God to rescue him. The flood waters kept rising and the man in the house drowned. When he got to heaven, he asked God where he went wrong. He told God that he had perfect faith in God, but God had let him drown.
"What more do you want from me?" asked God. "I sent you two boats and a helicopter."
I remember seeing that chain e-mail too.  you know the kind:  forwarded a million times over.  I think I've gotten it in my inbox at least five times.
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« Reply #71 on: September 11, 2013, 09:38:25 AM »

Can someone summarize this thread?  It hurt my head trying reading it. 

Have we determined if the original poster is someone who apostacized from the Church? or just a random guy with his own heretical notions of what Scripture teaches?
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« Reply #72 on: September 11, 2013, 09:47:13 AM »

Everything in this thread sounds like some weird form of Gnosticism, like Bogomilism. laugh
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« Reply #73 on: September 11, 2013, 10:14:48 AM »

Can someone summarize this thread?  It hurt my head trying reading it. 

Have we determined if the original poster is someone who apostacized from the Church? or just a random guy with his own heretical notions of what Scripture teaches?

Appearently, he is trying to explain to us his theology concerning the Ressurection of the Dead and Divine Revelation. He also believes he is chosen by God to preach His message and that he is a "Seer" of God.

Also, he, appearently, doesn't like the Roman Catholic Church very much, but there is nothing new about that.
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« Reply #74 on: September 11, 2013, 10:21:52 AM »

Can someone summarize this thread?  It hurt my head trying reading it. 

Have we determined if the original poster is someone who apostacized from the Church? or just a random guy with his own heretical notions of what Scripture teaches?

Appearently, he is trying to explain to us his theology concerning the Ressurection of the Dead and Divine Revelation. He also believes he is chosen by God to preach His message and that he is a "Seer" of God.

Also, he, appearently, doesn't like the Roman Catholic Church very much, but there is nothing new about that.

How does one get to be a Seer?  I think that would be pretty cool.  Does it require a test or just a self-proclamation?
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« Reply #75 on: September 11, 2013, 10:24:17 AM »

Can someone summarize this thread?  It hurt my head trying reading it. 

Have we determined if the original poster is someone who apostacized from the Church? or just a random guy with his own heretical notions of what Scripture teaches?

Appearently, he is trying to explain to us his theology concerning the Ressurection of the Dead and Divine Revelation. He also believes he is chosen by God to preach His message and that he is a "Seer" of God.

Also, he, appearently, doesn't like the Roman Catholic Church very much, but there is nothing new about that.

How does one get to be a Seer?  I think that would be pretty cool.  Does it require a test or just a self-proclamation?

An Ovate was a Seer amongst the Celtic tribes. I mean, they were Pagans, but, eh.
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« Reply #76 on: September 11, 2013, 10:26:51 AM »

Can someone summarize this thread?  It hurt my head trying reading it. 

Have we determined if the original poster is someone who apostacized from the Church? or just a random guy with his own heretical notions of what Scripture teaches?

Appearently, he is trying to explain to us his theology concerning the Ressurection of the Dead and Divine Revelation. He also believes he is chosen by God to preach His message and that he is a "Seer" of God.

Also, he, appearently, doesn't like the Roman Catholic Church very much, but there is nothing new about that.

How does one get to be a Seer?  I think that would be pretty cool.  Does it require a test or just a self-proclamation?

You can probably go to the Universal Life Church website and be "ordained" a Seer.
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« Reply #77 on: September 11, 2013, 10:38:07 AM »

Can someone summarize this thread?  It hurt my head trying reading it. 

Have we determined if the original poster is someone who apostacized from the Church? or just a random guy with his own heretical notions of what Scripture teaches?

Appearently, he is trying to explain to us his theology concerning the Ressurection of the Dead and Divine Revelation. He also believes he is chosen by God to preach His message and that he is a "Seer" of God.

Also, he, appearently, doesn't like the Roman Catholic Church very much, but there is nothing new about that.

How does one get to be a Seer?  I think that would be pretty cool.  Does it require a test or just a self-proclamation?

An Ovate was a Seer amongst the Celtic tribes. I mean, they were Pagans, but, eh.

Plenty of neo-Druid orders around. If it's required to join up in order to be seeing things.
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« Reply #78 on: September 11, 2013, 10:41:08 AM »

On a scale of one-to-ten, how ticked off would the Church be if I was a pagan, neo-druid, ULC Orthodox Seer?  Can this possibly fall under eikonomia? I would love to join serpentslayer on his quest.  Tongue
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« Reply #79 on: September 11, 2013, 10:43:03 AM »

Just do it, then ask a random bishop for it.  Then build an online monastery.
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« Reply #80 on: September 11, 2013, 10:43:30 AM »

Can someone summarize this thread?  It hurt my head trying reading it. 

Have we determined if the original poster is someone who apostacized from the Church? or just a random guy with his own heretical notions of what Scripture teaches?

Appearently, he is trying to explain to us his theology concerning the Ressurection of the Dead and Divine Revelation. He also believes he is chosen by God to preach His message and that he is a "Seer" of God.

Also, he, appearently, doesn't like the Roman Catholic Church very much, but there is nothing new about that.

How does one get to be a Seer?  I think that would be pretty cool.  Does it require a test or just a self-proclamation?

An Ovate was a Seer amongst the Celtic tribes. I mean, they were Pagans, but, eh.

Plenty of neo-Druid orders around. If it's required to join up in order to be seeing things.

In the OBD (Order of Ovates, Bards and Druids) if you are seeing things, you can't join, according to their rules and by-law thingies Sad
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« Reply #81 on: September 11, 2013, 10:47:34 AM »

Just do it, then ask a random bishop for it.  Then build an online monastery.

.... but does Serpentslayer recognize the place of bishops in the Church? Somehow I doubt it, him being gnostic and all.   Tongue
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« Reply #82 on: September 11, 2013, 10:47:49 AM »

Just do it, then ask a random bishop for it.  Then build an online monastery.

It's easier to get absolution than permission. Unless you use digital chimes. They're a big no-no.
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« Reply #83 on: September 11, 2013, 11:02:26 AM »

Well this is excellent news.  I'm starting to get my first visions already.  I am in the process of setting up my online monastery complete with MIDI sound to harmonize with the chanting.

I hope Bishop SerpentSlayer will approve of my labors.  As a Seer, I sense that he does.
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« Reply #84 on: September 11, 2013, 12:37:50 PM »

There is nothing more holy and sublime as the chanting of online monks with the sound of MIDI bells and ison.  I can hear it now....I-I'm having a vision! Shocked  Interpret the vision Seer Trisagion!  There is too much overwhelming randomness!
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There is nothing more holy and sublime as the chanting of online monks with the sound of MIDI bells and ison.  I can hear it now....I-I'm having a vision! Shocked  Interpret the vision Seer Trisagion!  There is too much overwhelming randomness!

Please... let's be serious about this.  Until I see your ULC certificate, I am skeptical of your claims to seer-ship.  I am beginning to think you might be a part of a schismatic pagan, neo-druid, ULC Orthodox group. ANATHEMA
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« Reply #86 on: September 11, 2013, 12:51:37 PM »

There is nothing more holy and sublime as the chanting of online monks with the sound of MIDI bells and ison.  I can hear it now....I-I'm having a vision! Shocked  Interpret the vision Seer Trisagion!  There is too much overwhelming randomness!

Please... let's be serious about this.  Until I see your ULC certificate, I am skeptical of your claims to seer-ship.  I am beginning to think you might be a part of a schismatic pagan, neo-druid, ULC Orthodox group. ANATHEMA

Hahaha, funny thing is, I do have my ULC certificate from when I was in college so I could do the wedding ceremony for a friend.  I think I went with the generic "Minister."  May I be forgiven and received and tonsured to your Monastery?  I wish to heal the schism of my jursidiction the ULOCAAATW (Universal Life Orthodox Church Abroad And Across The World). angel
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« Reply #87 on: September 11, 2013, 12:57:40 PM »

There is nothing more holy and sublime as the chanting of online monks with the sound of MIDI bells and ison.  I can hear it now....I-I'm having a vision! Shocked  Interpret the vision Seer Trisagion!  There is too much overwhelming randomness!

Please... let's be serious about this.  Until I see your ULC certificate, I am skeptical of your claims to seer-ship.  I am beginning to think you might be a part of a schismatic pagan, neo-druid, ULC Orthodox group. ANATHEMA

Hahaha, funny thing is, I do have my ULC certificate from when I was in college so I could do the wedding ceremony for a friend.  I think I went with the generic "Minister."  May I be forgiven and received and tonsured to your Monastery?  I wish to heal the schism. angel
I must consult the Patriarch SerpentSlayer (yes, he was promoted to Patriarch within the last half-hour.  Things move fast here).  I'm sure some pennance will be required of you for your dalliance into schism.  It will probably involve you going onto random forums and yelling at them in randomized bolded words and accusing them of evil.  The GPNDULOSC (Genuine Pagan Neo-Druid Universal Life Orthodox Seer Church) is benevolent and full of mercy.
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« Reply #88 on: September 11, 2013, 01:09:46 PM »

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I must consult the Patriarch SerpentSlayer (yes, he was promoted to Patriarch within the last half-hour.  Things move fast here).  I'm sure some pennance will be required of you for your dalliance into schism.  It will probably involve you going onto random forums and yelling at them in randomized bolded words and accusing them of evil.  The GPNDULOSC (Genuine Pagan Neo-Druid Universal Life Orthodox Seer Church) is benevolent and full of mercy.

I give thanks to God That the Holy SYNOD of the GPNDULOSC has been enlightened to bestow the Patriarchate to HSACH(His Super and Cool Holiness) Serpentslayer.  I must ask:  does your jurisdiction follow the Zorastrian calendar?  Because if it does, your church is Anathema and I will HAVE no choice but to start another church, the SAGTRULOCAAATW (Super Awesome Genuine Traditional Real Universal Life Orthodox Church Abroad And Across The World)
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« Reply #89 on: September 11, 2013, 01:11:16 PM »

Guys, this is probably a troll or some poor guy off his meds.  Let's ignore him.
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Hahaha, funny thing is, I do have my ULC certificate from when I was in college so I could do the wedding ceremony for a friend.  I think I went with the generic "Minister."  May I be forgiven and received and tonsured to your Monastery?  I wish to heal the schism. angel
I must consult the Patriarch SerpentSlayer (yes, he was promoted to Patriarch within the last half-hour.  Things move fast here).  I'm sure some pennance will be required of you for your dalliance into schism.  It will probably involve you going onto random forums and yelling at them in randomized bolded words and accusing them of evil.  The GPNDULOSC (Genuine Pagan Neo-Druid Universal Life Orthodox Seer Church) is benevolent and full of mercy.
I give thanks to God That the Holy SYNOD of the GPNDULOSC has been enlightened to bestow the Patriarchate to HSACH(His Super and Cool Holiness) Serpentslayer.  I must ask:  does your jurisdiction follow the Zorastrian calendar?  Because if it does, your church is Anathema and I will HAVE no choice but to start another church, the SAGTRULOCAAATW (Super Awesome Genuine Traditional Real Universal Life Orthodox Church Abroad And Across The World)
We follow the revised Zorastrian Calendar, as do all true GPNDULOSC.  You, however, are back under anathema for failure in the proper usage of the quote BB code.
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« Reply #91 on: September 11, 2013, 01:20:36 PM »

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Hahaha, funny thing is, I do have my ULC certificate from when I was in college so I could do the wedding ceremony for a friend.  I think I went with the generic "Minister."  May I be forgiven and received and tonsured to your Monastery?  I wish to heal the schism. angel
I must consult the Patriarch SerpentSlayer (yes, he was promoted to Patriarch within the last half-hour.  Things move fast here).  I'm sure some pennance will be required of you for your dalliance into schism.  It will probably involve you going onto random forums and yelling at them in randomized bolded words and accusing them of evil.  The GPNDULOSC (Genuine Pagan Neo-Druid Universal Life Orthodox Seer Church) is benevolent and full of mercy.
I give thanks to God That the Holy SYNOD of the GPNDULOSC has been enlightened to bestow the Patriarchate to HSACH(His Super and Cool Holiness) Serpentslayer.  I must ask:  does your jurisdiction follow the Zorastrian calendar?  Because if it does, your church is Anathema and I will HAVE no choice but to start another church, the SAGTRULOCAAATW (Super Awesome Genuine Traditional Real Universal Life Orthodox Church Abroad And Across The World)
We follow the revised Zorastrian Calendar, as do all true GPNDULOSC.  You, however, are back under anathema for failure in the proper usage of the quote BB code.

Hmmm, we have been in schism too long, my brother.  Let us convene a council!  If the Holy Synods agree, we shall convene at Ittoqqortoormiit, Greenland.
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« Reply #92 on: September 11, 2013, 01:25:20 PM »

I shall convey your desire to GPP (Grand Poobah Patriarch... yes, another promotion) SerpentSlayer. I hope that with his visions, he might direct the GPNDULOSC in the way that it should go.
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« Reply #93 on: September 11, 2013, 01:28:45 PM »

Amen.  I hope he gets a really nice hat.
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« Reply #94 on: September 11, 2013, 01:31:34 PM »

Amen.  I hope he gets a really nice hat.

Oh, it is quite fantastic.

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« Reply #95 on: September 11, 2013, 01:41:58 PM »

12 INCHES[/u][/b]

Wonderful!  What of an engolpion?  Or crozier?  He needs them all!
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« Reply #96 on: September 11, 2013, 01:49:45 PM »

Wonderful!  What of an engolpion?



Collection for all observances, including intercalary days.

Or crozier?  He needs them all!

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« Reply #97 on: September 11, 2013, 01:52:13 PM »

Excellent! I nominate Arachne to be the Matriarch.
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« Reply #98 on: September 11, 2013, 01:54:22 PM »

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I like your style, Arachne.  All hail Matriarch Arachne;  Axios!
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« Reply #99 on: September 11, 2013, 01:56:19 PM »

I am beginning to despair in my faith.  GPP SerpentSlayer has been silent in these last days.  Without his all-seeing wisdom, I don't know how we shall maintain the truth he has handed down to us.  Sad
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« Reply #100 on: September 11, 2013, 01:58:23 PM »

Oh Snap!  I had no idea these things cost so much!  Shocked Shocked Shocked

http://www.alphaomegachurchsupplies.com/Vestments/Engolpia-and-Panagia/Engolpion-320.html

Is this where are bishops pick them up at?  Cheesy
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« Reply #101 on: September 11, 2013, 01:58:37 PM »

WWSSS? (What would SerpentSlayer say?)

Possibly 'Drop and give me twenty.' Possibly not. Is the Seer clouded?
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« Reply #102 on: September 11, 2013, 02:17:31 PM »

Ooof, that is pricey; but worth it.  Convene an emergency synodal meeting at the Patriarchal see of Tristan da Cunha immediately!
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I like your style, Arachne.  All hail Matriarch Arachne;  Axios!

I must correct you, my dear hecma: It should be "Axia!"  laugh

But I also add my voice of approval for the sterling decision to elevate Matriarch Arachne. Eis polla eti, Despina!
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« Reply #104 on: September 12, 2013, 01:06:18 AM »

Serpentslayer do you not read anyone's questions?
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« Reply #105 on: September 12, 2013, 03:53:42 AM »

No beloved in Christ, the Abomination that Maketh desolate, who is the beast of the bottomless Pitt AKA Satan and Apolyon is prophesied to manifest and be worshipped by whom?

ALL THE WOLRLD.

What represents ALL THE WORLD?

When the gospel as Jesus said will be preached to all corners of the world then The end will come.

That is why God says that he will give them a STRONG DELUSION to believe the lie.

What is the Grand Old Lie concerning the QUESTION OF WORSHIP?

That Satan is believed to be the earthly Messiah by ALL THE WORLD, not only one pocket somewhere in the Middle East in the time of the 1st Century when the gospel hadn't yet come out.

You see the thing is, the world had to have been preached the truth of the gospel and believed in the truth of the gospel, only to fall for that lie. During the first Century most Gentiles were unbelievers beloved, so it is nonsense to make the statement that the 1st Century world at large were ALL BELIEVERS in context to the STRONG DELUSION that implies a falling away from the TRUE WORSHIP in Christ to another, and who might that be?

Satan

The STRONG DELUSION where ALL THE WORLD will worship Satan is not for the UNBELIEVERS but for the BELIEVERS for that is the context of the GREAT FALLING AWAY, called APOSTASY meaning to severe a marriage, by divorcing your husband and to accepting another man, in this case Satan in place of Christ.

The false church will accept Satan as her husband, when the STRONG DELUSION works its way to render half of Jerusalem (Apostolic Church) captive to Satan at his second earthly coming.

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For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem (Apostolic seven hilled city) to battle; and the city (Today's church) shall be taken, and the houses (House of prayer) rifled, and the women (Body of believers the church) ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity (these will worship Satan and fall for the second coming STRONG DELUSION), and the residue of the people (Born Again Christians) shall not be cut off from the city (Apostolic Church).

Satan will be incarnated in the flesh and believed by ALL THE WORLD in the grand old lie of the EARTHLY SECOND COMING.

To say that ALL THE WORLD will believe him is in context to exchanging the true worship with what?

The false worship in believing that Satan as the Messiah. Why do you think the first beast earthly Israel has been healed in 1948 and the second beast who gives life to this beast who is lamb like but speaks like a dragon is none other than Christian (lamb) Zionism (Dragon).

In context of ALL THE WORLD believing him is therefore to the once BELIEVING WORLD who fall for that lie that is part and parcel of the STRONG DELUSION.

This could not have happened in the first century because most of the Gentile world were unbelievers.

But now most of the world are believing in a Jesus that has been preached in all the world and therefore the verse in Matthew alludes to the END OF TIME, where it coincides to THE END OF THE GREAT HARVEST OF GOD where it signals the END OF TIME when the true Messiah comes as a brilliant light by sounding the trumpet of God, the seventh trumpet and declares what beloved?

That there should be TIME (tick tock) NO LONGER.

This signals the end of the time based earthly realm as we know where literally the old heavens and the old earth has passed away and what comes into view is the Ark of the Covenant the Eternal timeless Heavenly New Jerusalem with all the angelic hosts as the white cloud that accompanies Christ within the ark of safety (correlates to Noah's ark).

So what was the sanctuary for Noah and his family on the earthly realm, the New Jerusalem becomes the heavenly realm sanctuary for all the resurrected saints from the time, time and half a time opening of the fifth seal, right up to the seventh trumpet sounded by Christ signalling the end of the great harvest and the end of the world. Jesus did say the world will end at the end of the great harvest.

Now coming back to the STRONG DELUSION.

Any manifested earthly Messiah is the counterfeit artist the Devil pretending to take the place of Christ on earth, for this was his ultimate dream as quoted in Isaiah 14:13.

Basically the true Messiah cannot manifest himself on earth because that would ultimately bypass his very own BLOOD ATONEMENT on the cross at Calvary and the Holy Ghost as the sanctifier and resurrector.

So we must all walk the plank called death to face the first judgement and take part in the resurrection of the dead in order to come into the presence of Christ, for this is what is described in all of the epistles as the APPEAR-ING of The Lord which implies to the imminent audience of that message (1st century church) that it is a present tense participle of the VERB APPEAR to be, when the thief (death) comes in a day and hour we know not to destroy (kill) our earthly house (body) as Jesus explained then the day of The Lord will come for that individual when their earthly house is dissolved.

That is why Saint Paul would say: my departure is at hand and there is already in store for a heavenly house awaiting me, that I will be clothed by.

So where in scripture does it say that the TRUE WORSHIP will be replaced by what is obviously a false worship, remembering that the BLOOD ATONEMENT that is our daily sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins must never be removed nor must the Holy Seal who is God the Holy Spirit be removed who is the sanctifier and resurrector.

Below verse in Daniel states that the BLOOD ATONEMENT will be removed at the symbolic 1290 days.

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And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

We know that the two symbolic witnesses of John's revelation are in conjunction to the Great Commission prerogative to preach the gospel to the ends of the world until they finish their testimony within the unmeasured Gentile court of the world at large and then the beast of the bottomless Pitt, AKA Satan will take them out of the way. These two symbolic witnesses prophesy, which means preach the gospel of Jesus Christ for the 1260 symbolic days. The commission f the two symbolic witnesses is part and parcel of the church age up until today.

Notice Satan before he reveals himself as the Abomination that Maketh desolate removes the true worshippers by perpetrating a world wide Calvary as described by the bodies of the two symbolic witness that symbolizes all of the Christian world. Satan uses his workmen to martyr the true church and just like what sadist Saddam used to do, Satan's workmen will parade their bodies in the streets across all the cities of the world that are spiritually described as Sodom (meaning lawless) and Egypt (meaning idolatry).

Then Satan is ushered into the world by the second coming doctrine after he who witholdeth that is the true Holy Spirit Church has been removed out of his way so that he stands unopposed for ALL THE WORLD to worship him as the earthly Messiah.

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5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

So doing away of the BLOOD ATONEMENT and the TRUE BODY OF CHRIST will be the two things that must happen before the mother of all idols AKA Satan reveals himself to be worship by ALL THE WORLD.

So read what I have testified carefully a number of times in order to discern that all these things could not have happened in the 1st Century to the 1st Century Church because if that was to happen it would have implied that the gospel has been fully preached and the end of the great harvest and the end of the literal world, should have come as Jesus declared and we today would not be Christians today, if the two symbolic witnesses were taken out in the first century and the blood atonement of Christ replaced by a false worship. At best we would either all be heretics in continuing to believe the false worship that ALL THE WORLD worshipped or we would not be Christians at all.

Here lies another verse that confirms my testimony of who comes when and in what order:

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From Judah will come the cornerstone, from him the tent peg, from him the battle bow, from him every ruler.

1) Cornerstone who is a symbol of Christ came as the historical Jesus of Nazereth

2) Then from him came the Tent Peg who is the temple builder God the Holy Spirit

3) Then after him when the true church is martyred in The World wide Calvary we see God the Father coming in the Great Day of Battle of God almighty to slaughter the enemy who took part in the whole sale slaughter of His Son's true church (seven hilled city) that Satan removed by his evil workmen before he could be revealed to the world to be worshipped as God on earth by who?

ALL THE WORLD.

The Great Day of Battle is when God the Father comes out of his places to unleash the plagues of seal 6 and 7 to bring down fire upon the inhabitants of earth and make a quick riddance of man and beast as prophesied in Zephaniah 1:2-6 and Malachi 4. Satan also goes by the name MOLEK.

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For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

You see verse above that follows the martyrdom of the true apostolic church then invites judgements from the Father who is depicted here in going forth on the Great Day of Battle to fight against the nations of the world who had slaughtered his Son's true body of believers.

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9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee (Son of Perfition) to meet thee at thy coming (SECOND COMING): it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth (Satan's workmen); it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? (Satan incarnate in flesh has become weak like his servants)

11 Thy pomp (SECOND COMING fan fare) is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Satan must first be incarnated to then be executed along with his children for that is yet to be fulfilled.
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« Reply #106 on: September 12, 2013, 04:00:37 AM »

Another crock, flying in the face of the testimony of scripture which clearly states Christ the Messiah will return to the earth, the very scripture on which you claim to base your false "prophecies".

Why should we take you seriously, Serpentslayer?
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« Reply #107 on: September 12, 2013, 04:04:22 AM »

You read it and now you can walk, goodbye!
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« Reply #108 on: September 12, 2013, 04:09:54 AM »

You read it and now you can walk, goodbye!

Your attempts to sway me, and many others here, away from the true and apostolic faith, are futile. Go push your crackpot gnosticism somewhere else. Better still, make the effort to learn more about what the Orthodox Church teaches and proclaims.
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« Reply #109 on: September 12, 2013, 04:16:28 AM »

I forgive you now move on, go in peace!
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« Reply #110 on: September 12, 2013, 04:23:22 AM »

I forgive you now move on, go in peace!

Move on? Do you own this forum or something? I ain't going anywhere just because you say so.

Snap out of your silly delusion of being God's prophet, it's getting you nowhere fast here.
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« Reply #111 on: September 12, 2013, 04:35:33 AM »

I try to, but where are the genuine questions amongst the insults and names I have been called.

Where are the genuine question concerning scripture from genuine people?
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« Reply #112 on: September 12, 2013, 04:47:30 AM »

There have been no insults. Just expanding on the apocryphal beatitude: 'Blessed are those who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.'
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I try to, but where are the genuine questions amongst the insults and names I have been called.

Where are the genuine question concerning scripture from genuine people?


For starters, you keep ignoring scripture in your pronouncements on the Second Coming. You still haven't explained how it is you believe that Christ's Second Coming won't be on earth, when scripture clearly tells us that it will be.

9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
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« Reply #114 on: September 12, 2013, 05:01:22 AM »

The blood atonement on the cross at calvary for the forgiveness of sins can never be removed. If Christ returns to earth then that would nullify his own blood atonement, therefore making it to no effect.

Scripture warns us that the blood atonement will be removed when an earthly messiah does manifest, yet this messiah is Satan pretending to be Christ.

Our daily sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins is what Christ did for all of us on the cross. For Christ to show up all of the sudden would beg the question to why he needed to be the sacrificial lamb of God in the first place.

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"From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

To accept an earthly messiah is to reject the DAILY BLOOD SACRIFICE.
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« Reply #115 on: September 12, 2013, 05:20:43 AM »

The blood atonement on the cross at calvary for the forgiveness of sins can never be removed. If Christ returns to earth then that would nullify his own blood atonement, therefore making it to no effect.


You don't seem to understand, or refuse to admit, that this statement of yours openly contradicts scripture.


Our daily sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins is what Christ did for all of us on the cross. For Christ to show up all of the sudden would beg the question to why he needed to be the sacrificial lamb of God in the first place.

From Hebrews ch 7:

And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath 21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him:

“The Lord has sworn
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According to the order of Melchizedek’”),

22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing. 24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.



To accept an earthly messiah is to reject the DAILY BLOOD SACRIFICE.

Christ is not a mere human being. He is fully God and fully Man. He is not an "earthly messiah", but God Incarnate. He has ascended to heaven, and will return to the Earth, as scripture tells us.

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For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

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« Reply #116 on: September 12, 2013, 05:29:34 AM »

In fact two things Satan who is the Abomination that Maketh desolate will do in his earthly coming in order to be revealed without being opposed and that is to remove the daily blood sacrifice for our atonement and remove the Holy Spirit filled church.

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3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed

If we recall the Bolshevik Russian Revolution where satan had a trial run to exterminate the church. In the versus above he does this on a global scale.

In order for satan to manifest in flesh, he will have to do away with the Holy Spirit filled church and the Daily blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins.

That is why the blood atonement and Holy Spirit must never be bypassed.

Second coming doctrine bypasses both.

So the strong delusion is not for the unbeliever, but for the believer to believe that Satan is god. So as it is written ALL THE WORLD will worship him, who is the mother of all living idols, the Abomination that maketh desolate.

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« Reply #117 on: September 12, 2013, 05:35:01 AM »

Your habit of ignoring people's replies to your posts shows your grand prophetic thesis is built on a foundation of sand.
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For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem (Apostolic church) to battle; and the city (seven hilled city) shall be taken, and the houses (house of prayer) rifled, and the women (body of believers) ravished; and half of the city (apostolic church) shall go forth into captivity (believe the lie and fall for the strong delusion), and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city

This is a prelude to the great falling away where half of the apostolic church will fall for the strong delusion of the second coming in accepting satan as the messiah, whereas the other half will not and in so doing will be martyred.

Then we are told that God the Father will rain down terror upon the habitants of earth to make a quick riddance of man an beast on the great days of slaughter:

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« Reply #119 on: September 12, 2013, 05:40:56 AM »

Christ who is our chief priest Melchizedek does save us as resurrected priests in his inner measured heavenly court.

On earth you must prepare to die for his sake in order to receive that surety of the priesthood after his order, that is why Saint Paul writes there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness that The Lord will give me at his appearing after I depart.
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« Reply #120 on: September 12, 2013, 05:44:54 AM »

This promise is for the life to come as the manifest token to eternal inheritance after a sanctified believer dies and not before.

In this life we haven't deserved that title yet because our blood has not yet been shed.

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15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
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« Reply #121 on: September 12, 2013, 05:46:40 AM »

Serpentslayer, this is a discussion forum, not your own personal blog.  All we've seen from you is a flood of posts promoting your false "prophecies", and your ignoring of anything others have had to say.
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« Reply #122 on: September 12, 2013, 05:48:05 AM »

A witness must die in order to be clothed with the Melchizedek royal priesthood robes as an angel of The Lord.

On earth we wear the baggy sackcloth of the two symbolic witnesses of Christ who are the TESTATORS of the New Covenant, for we haven't yet put on the royal robes when we are still in our sinful Adam One bodies.
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« Reply #123 on: September 12, 2013, 05:53:58 AM »

Serpentslayer, I am becoming more and more convinced that you are simply trolling. You are pouring out scriptures like a waterfall and you completely ignore people when they are trying to have an intelligent discussion with you.
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« Reply #124 on: September 12, 2013, 07:14:04 AM »

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Who needs a crozier when they can have a paddle?



It is discipline that the faithful need, to keep the faith pure.

I like your style, Arachne.  All hail Matriarch Arachne;  Axios!

I must correct you, my dear hecma: It should be "Axia!"  laugh

But I also add my voice of approval for the sterling decision to elevate Matriarch Arachne. Eis polla eti, Despina!
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« Reply #125 on: September 12, 2013, 07:22:09 AM »

Serpentslayer, I am becoming more and more convinced that you are simply trolling. You are pouring out scriptures like a waterfall and you completely ignore people when they are trying to have an intelligent discussion with you.

I forgive your trespasses against me, now I will let you go in peace. Goodbye!
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« Reply #126 on: September 12, 2013, 07:24:26 AM »

Serpentslayer, I am becoming more and more convinced that you are simply trolling. You are pouring out scriptures like a waterfall and you completely ignore people when they are trying to have an intelligent discussion with you.

I forgive your trespasses against me, now I will let you go in peace. Goodbye!

What trespasses? Because he dared to question your "authority"? You think much, much too highly of yourself.
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« Reply #127 on: September 12, 2013, 07:25:32 AM »

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It is discipline that the faithful need, to keep the faith pure.

I like your style, Arachne.  All hail Matriarch Arachne;  Axios!

I must correct you, my dear hecma: It should be "Axia!"  laugh

But I also add my voice of approval for the sterling decision to elevate Matriarch Arachne. Eis polla eti, Despina!
Grin Thank you!

The Lord has the last say. Your confounded in your drunken laughter just like those who laughed at Noah. Your laughter will be short live mark my words because the Lord's sword is near.

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« Reply #128 on: September 12, 2013, 07:28:27 AM »

Serpentslayer, I am becoming more and more convinced that you are simply trolling. You are pouring out scriptures like a waterfall and you completely ignore people when they are trying to have an intelligent discussion with you.

I forgive your trespasses against me, now I will let you go in peace. Goodbye!

What trespasses? Because he dared to question your "authority"? You think much, much too highly of yourself.

Did he not call me a name?

He didn't questioned my authority, I have none. What he did is persecute The Lord by attacking his member and in that respect I as a servant and prisoner of Christ and God as my witness forgive him and you because you have testify pied falsely.

I will let you go in peace, goodbye!
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The Lord has the last say. Your confounded in your drunken laughter just like those who laughed at Noah. Your laughter will be short live mark my words because the Lord's sword is near.


Oh, give us a break. Your delusions of grandeur are getting tiresome. Mark your words? Your words are worthless.
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« Reply #130 on: September 12, 2013, 07:31:23 AM »

Serpentslayer, I am becoming more and more convinced that you are simply trolling. You are pouring out scriptures like a waterfall and you completely ignore people when they are trying to have an intelligent discussion with you.

I forgive your trespasses against me, now I will let you go in peace. Goodbye!

What trespasses? Because he dared to question your "authority"? You think much, much too highly of yourself.

Did he not call me a name?

He didn't questioned my authority, I have none. What he did is persecute The Lord by attacking his member and in that respect I as a servant and prisoner of Christ and God as my witness forgive him and you because you have testify pied falsely.

I will let you go in peace, goodbye!

It is not your forum to order people off it. This forum is not your personal platform. And spare us the martyr complex, it's so pathetic and shallow.
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« Reply #131 on: September 12, 2013, 07:48:16 AM »

I read the entire Left Behind series and I can assure you, Christ comes back to Earth.  Sts. Rayford and Buck save millions of Christians at Petra.
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« Reply #132 on: September 12, 2013, 07:52:30 AM »

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It is discipline that the faithful need, to keep the faith pure.

I like your style, Arachne.  All hail Matriarch Arachne;  Axios!

I must correct you, my dear hecma: It should be "Axia!"  laugh

But I also add my voice of approval for the sterling decision to elevate Matriarch Arachne. Eis polla eti, Despina!
Grin Thank you!

The Lord has the last say. Your confounded in your drunken laughter just like those who laughed at Noah. Your laughter will be short live mark my words because the Lord's sword is near.



I would have to be quite drunk to even begin to make a semblance of sense of any of your postings.  If I had a day off right now, I would have a bit of brandy.  Then walk to the store to by a paddle, because why not?
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It is discipline that the faithful need, to keep the faith pure.

I like your style, Arachne.  All hail Matriarch Arachne;  Axios!

I must correct you, my dear hecma: It should be "Axia!"  laugh

But I also add my voice of approval for the sterling decision to elevate Matriarch Arachne. Eis polla eti, Despina!
Grin Thank you!

The Lord has the last say. Your confounded in your drunken laughter just like those who laughed at Noah. Your laughter will be short live mark my words because the Lord's sword is near.



I would have to be quite drunk to even begin to make a semblance of sense of any of your postings.  If I had a day off right now, I would have a bit of brandy.  Then walk to the store to by a paddle, because why not?

I could do with a bit of brandy myself. Can I join you?  laugh No need to go out and buy a paddle, I have plenty of offcuts in my shed that will easily do the trick.  Wink
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« Reply #134 on: September 12, 2013, 08:04:56 AM »

Or we could crack a cidre or five. Ain't it grand that it's a booze-allowed day? Grin
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I am beyond despair.  GPP SerpentSlayer came back to bestow his blessing upon us and we rejected him

WOE to you serpents that have profaned the anointed

WOE to you doubters of the Seer, for his wrath will come upon you and that right quickly and you shall be torn limb from limb and your bones will be scattered across the seven seas.

WOE to you mockers of the enlightenment that has not entered the world until this day, for GPP SerpentSlayer has come to redeem you from your iniquity and you have rejected his benevolence.
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I am beyond despair.  GPP SerpentSlayer came back to bestow his blessing upon us and we rejected him

WOE to you serpents that have profaned the anointed

WOE to you doubters of the Seer, for his wrath will come upon you and that right quickly and you shall be torn limb from limb and your bones will be scattered across the seven seas.

WOE to you mockers of the enlightenment that has not entered the world until this day, for GPP SerpentSlayer has come to redeem you from your iniquity and you have rejected his benevolence.

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« Reply #137 on: September 12, 2013, 08:12:42 AM »

It's all the fault of ol' Trespassers William. Cheesy
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« Reply #138 on: September 12, 2013, 08:17:41 AM »

@Serpentslayer, since it seems you show not willingness to engage in any discussions and prefer only to preach your thelogoy, starting from now you are obliged to do this in this thread ONLY and are forbidden to do this anywhere else on the forum. Disobedience to this request will result in further discipline (warnings etc.).

Some following sollutions to your activity on the forum might come in future.
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THIS. IS. FANTASTIC!

All of the wisdom has now been combined into one tome for the edification of the faithful.  Though the GPP has left us, we have been graced with his prophecies.  In the spirit of the GPP, I believe the first and most important thing that must be done is we must each interpret his writings in a manner that makes sense to us personally.  It is important that none of us have the same interpretation as that would be a sign of demonic involvement.
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« Reply #140 on: September 12, 2013, 08:24:38 AM »

We will be gleaning wisdom from his writings, commentaries, and prophecies for many generations.  But I did not heed his word.  I fear damnation.
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We will be gleaning wisdom from his writings, commentaries, and prophecies for many generations.  But I did not heed his word.  I fear damnation.

Fear not.  If we remember his words of blessed memory...

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He didn't questioned my authority, I have none. What he did is persecute The Lord by attacking his member and in that respect I as a servant and prisoner of Christ and God as my witness forgive him and you because you have testify pied falsely.

You will note that as long as your failing is a result of pie, you have been forgiven.  I believe it might be apple pie, but it is possible he meant strawberry pie.  I cannot be dogmatic on that point.

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I believe it might be apple pie, but it is possible he meant strawberry pie.

Or pork pie. Or custard pie. You are entirely correct, we cannot be dogmatic on this point. It shall have to remain a theologoumenon, unless His Munificent Awesomeness condescends to enlighten us further on this point.
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I believe it might be apple pie, but it is possible he meant strawberry pie.

Or pork pie. Or custard pie. You are entirely correct, we cannot be dogmatic on this point. It shall have to remain a theologoumenon, unless His Munificent Awesomeness condescends to enlighten us further on this point.

Remember to observe the seasons. As the Revised Zoroastrian calendar is 7.8888 days slow on the original, we are now on the cusp of apple and pumpkin pie. Tongue
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Or pork pie. Or custard pie. You are entirely correct, we cannot be dogmatic on this point. It shall have to remain a theologoumenon, unless His Munificent Awesomeness condescends to enlighten us further on this point.
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that you would deign mention pork pie because if we exegete the context here, it clearly excludes the unclean foods of the OT. What next, a shellfish pie? Will the heresy never end!?!?  Shocked
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Or pork pie. Or custard pie. You are entirely correct, we cannot be dogmatic on this point. It shall have to remain a theologoumenon, unless His Munificent Awesomeness condescends to enlighten us further on this point.
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that you would deign mention pork pie because if we exegete the context here, it clearly excludes the unclean foods of the OT. What next, a shellfish pie? Will the blasphemy never end!?!?  Shocked

My dear Tri, are we not living in the end times, where the old Law has been fulfilled, and where there is neither Jew nor Greek, nor clean and unclean foods? Was not Peter commanded to eat of all that was on the sheet?

I speak as one well-versed in the harvesting of seafood from its wild environs, and in its preparation for the table. Feeding the multitudes is a specialty of mine.
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« Reply #146 on: September 12, 2013, 08:47:47 AM »

Or we could crack a cidre or five. Ain't it grand that it's a booze-allowed day? Grin

Some good English cidre would do the trick.  Hey, it's fruit, right?  laugh
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« Reply #147 on: September 12, 2013, 08:48:59 AM »

We will be gleaning wisdom from his writings, commentaries, and prophecies for many generations.  But I did not heed his word.  I fear damnation.

Fear not.  If we remember his words of blessed memory...

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You will note that as long as your failing is a result of pie, you have been forgiven.  I believe it might be apple pie, but it is possible he meant strawberry pie.  I cannot be dogmatic on that point.



I exegete pecan pie, which I will masticate this very evening.
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Or we could crack a cidre or five. Ain't it grand that it's a booze-allowed day? Grin

Some good English cidre would do the trick.  Hey, it's fruit, right?  laugh

Brandy is grapes, vodka is grain, and slivovits is plums. Hey, I like where this is heading!
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Or we could crack a cidre or five. Ain't it grand that it's a booze-allowed day? Grin

Some good English cidre would do the trick.  Hey, it's fruit, right?  laugh

Only one of your five-a-day, though, regardless of quantity. Cheesy
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I believe it might be apple pie, but it is possible he meant strawberry pie.

Or pork pie. Or custard pie. You are entirely correct, we cannot be dogmatic on this point. It shall have to remain a theologoumenon, unless His Munificent Awesomeness condescends to enlighten us further on this point.
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that you would deign mention pork pie because if we exegete the context here, it clearly excludes the unclean foods of the OT. What next, a shellfish pie? Will the blasphemy never end!?!?  Shocked

My dear Tri, are we not living in the end times, where the old Law has been fulfilled, and where there is neither Jew nor Greek, nor clean and unclean foods? Was not Peter commanded to eat of all that was on the sheet?

I speak as one well-versed in the harvesting of seafood from its wild environs, and in its preparation for the table. Feeding the multitudes is a specialty of mine.

In reflecting on the words of the enlightened Seer we see this passage...

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VANILA SKY you must walk the PLANK called DEATH before you can even dream of being present with The Lord.

As far as the world that waits for the almost 2000 years in the making SECOND COMING, they to wil get their wish and the devil called lucifer will grant it for them.

It is now clear to me that only vanila pie (which rhymes with sky) is acceptable. I am having difficulty with the spelling of vanila as I always thought it was spelled with 2 "l"s.  Perhaps this is a new revelation that we ought to go to the new revised spelling.
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« Reply #151 on: September 12, 2013, 08:53:39 AM »

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I believe it might be apple pie, but it is possible he meant strawberry pie.

Or pork pie. Or custard pie. You are entirely correct, we cannot be dogmatic on this point. It shall have to remain a theologoumenon, unless His Munificent Awesomeness condescends to enlighten us further on this point.
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that you would deign mention pork pie because if we exegete the context here, it clearly excludes the unclean foods of the OT. What next, a shellfish pie? Will the blasphemy never end!?!?  Shocked

My dear Tri, are we not living in the end times, where the old Law has been fulfilled, and where there is neither Jew nor Greek, nor clean and unclean foods? Was not Peter commanded to eat of all that was on the sheet?

I speak as one well-versed in the harvesting of seafood from its wild environs, and in its preparation for the table. Feeding the multitudes is a specialty of mine.

In reflecting on the words of the enlightened Seer we see this passage...

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VANILA SKY you must walk the PLANK called DEATH before you can even dream of being present with The Lord.

As far as the world that waits for the almost 2000 years in the making SECOND COMING, they to wil get their wish and the devil called lucifer will grant it for them.

It is now clear to me that only vanila pie (which rhymes with sky) is acceptable. I am having difficulty with the spelling of vanila as I always thought it was spelled with 2 "l"s.  Perhaps this is a new revelation that we ought to go to the new revised spelling.

And so is the pie in the sky prophecy fulfilled! Alleluia!
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Or we could crack a cidre or five. Ain't it grand that it's a booze-allowed day? Grin

Some good English cidre would do the trick.  Hey, it's fruit, right?  laugh

Only one of your five-a-day, though, regardless of quantity. Cheesy

Grapes, plums, pears, apricots and peaches. There! Five fruits, all brewed accordingly.  laugh
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« Reply #153 on: September 12, 2013, 08:54:57 AM »

Or we could crack a cidre or five. Ain't it grand that it's a booze-allowed day? Grin

Some good English cidre would do the trick.  Hey, it's fruit, right?  laugh

Only one of your five-a-day, though, regardless of quantity. Cheesy

Grapes, plums, pears, apricots and peaches. There! Five fruits, all brewed accordingly.  laugh

Preservation is a sacred duty. Cheesy
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« Reply #154 on: September 12, 2013, 08:55:27 AM »

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I believe it might be apple pie, but it is possible he meant strawberry pie.

Or pork pie. Or custard pie. You are entirely correct, we cannot be dogmatic on this point. It shall have to remain a theologoumenon, unless His Munificent Awesomeness condescends to enlighten us further on this point.
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that you would deign mention pork pie because if we exegete the context here, it clearly excludes the unclean foods of the OT. What next, a shellfish pie? Will the blasphemy never end!?!?  Shocked

My dear Tri, are we not living in the end times, where the old Law has been fulfilled, and where there is neither Jew nor Greek, nor clean and unclean foods? Was not Peter commanded to eat of all that was on the sheet?

I speak as one well-versed in the harvesting of seafood from its wild environs, and in its preparation for the table. Feeding the multitudes is a specialty of mine.

In reflecting on the words of the enlightened Seer we see this passage...

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VANILA SKY you must walk the PLANK called DEATH before you can even dream of being present with The Lord.

As far as the world that waits for the almost 2000 years in the making SECOND COMING, they to wil get their wish and the devil called lucifer will grant it for them.

It is now clear to me that only vanila pie (which rhymes with sky) is acceptable. I am having difficulty with the spelling of vanila as I always thought it was spelled with 2 "l"s.  Perhaps this is a new revelation that we ought to go to the new revised spelling.

And so is the pie in the sky prophecy fulfilled! Alleluia!
I see what you did there, and I must say, I like it.  laugh
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« Reply #155 on: September 12, 2013, 08:56:09 AM »

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I believe it might be apple pie, but it is possible he meant strawberry pie.

Or pork pie. Or custard pie. You are entirely correct, we cannot be dogmatic on this point. It shall have to remain a theologoumenon, unless His Munificent Awesomeness condescends to enlighten us further on this point.
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that you would deign mention pork pie because if we exegete the context here, it clearly excludes the unclean foods of the OT. What next, a shellfish pie? Will the blasphemy never end!?!?  Shocked

My dear Tri, are we not living in the end times, where the old Law has been fulfilled, and where there is neither Jew nor Greek, nor clean and unclean foods? Was not Peter commanded to eat of all that was on the sheet?

I speak as one well-versed in the harvesting of seafood from its wild environs, and in its preparation for the table. Feeding the multitudes is a specialty of mine.

In reflecting on the words of the enlightened Seer we see this passage...

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VANILA SKY you must walk the PLANK called DEATH before you can even dream of being present with The Lord.

As far as the world that waits for the almost 2000 years in the making SECOND COMING, they to wil get their wish and the devil called lucifer will grant it for them.

It is now clear to me that only vanila pie (which rhymes with sky) is acceptable. I am having difficulty with the spelling of vanila as I always thought it was spelled with 2 "l"s.  Perhaps this is a new revelation that we ought to go to the new revised spelling.

And so is the pie in the sky prophecy fulfilled! Alleluia!


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« Reply #156 on: September 12, 2013, 08:56:25 AM »

Or we could crack a cidre or five. Ain't it grand that it's a booze-allowed day? Grin

Some good English cidre would do the trick.  Hey, it's fruit, right?  laugh

Only one of your five-a-day, though, regardless of quantity. Cheesy

Grapes, plums, pears, apricots and peaches. There! Five fruits, all brewed accordingly.  laugh

Preservation is a sacred duty. Cheesy
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« Reply #157 on: September 12, 2013, 08:57:22 AM »

Vanila is an ancient spice and the translation could be corrupted.  So we have no way of knowing if it's similar to our common "vanilla" or something more exotic.

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I believe it might be apple pie, but it is possible he meant strawberry pie.

Or pork pie. Or custard pie. You are entirely correct, we cannot be dogmatic on this point. It shall have to remain a theologoumenon, unless His Munificent Awesomeness condescends to enlighten us further on this point.
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that you would deign mention pork pie because if we exegete the context here, it clearly excludes the unclean foods of the OT. What next, a shellfish pie? Will the blasphemy never end!?!?  Shocked

My dear Tri, are we not living in the end times, where the old Law has been fulfilled, and where there is neither Jew nor Greek, nor clean and unclean foods? Was not Peter commanded to eat of all that was on the sheet?

I speak as one well-versed in the harvesting of seafood from its wild environs, and in its preparation for the table. Feeding the multitudes is a specialty of mine.

In reflecting on the words of the enlightened Seer we see this passage...

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VANILA SKY you must walk the PLANK called DEATH before you can even dream of being present with The Lord.

As far as the world that waits for the almost 2000 years in the making SECOND COMING, they to wil get their wish and the devil called lucifer will grant it for them.

It is now clear to me that only vanila pie (which rhymes with sky) is acceptable. I am having difficulty with the spelling of vanila as I always thought it was spelled with 2 "l"s.  Perhaps this is a new revelation that we ought to go to the new revised spelling.
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« Reply #158 on: September 12, 2013, 08:58:06 AM »

Or we could crack a cidre or five. Ain't it grand that it's a booze-allowed day? Grin

Some good English cidre would do the trick.  Hey, it's fruit, right?  laugh

Only one of your five-a-day, though, regardless of quantity. Cheesy

Grapes, plums, pears, apricots and peaches. There! Five fruits, all brewed accordingly.  laugh

And distilled. Wink
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Or we could crack a cidre or five. Ain't it grand that it's a booze-allowed day? Grin

Some good English cidre would do the trick.  Hey, it's fruit, right?  laugh

Only one of your five-a-day, though, regardless of quantity. Cheesy

Grapes, plums, pears, apricots and peaches. There! Five fruits, all brewed accordingly.  laugh

Preservation is a sacred duty. Cheesy

.... of the drinkable variety, of course.  laugh If one has no still, then infusions are more than acceptable, won't risk blowing up the neighborhood, and won't run foul of the authorities.
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Vanila is an ancient spice and the translation could be corrupted.  So we have no way of knowing if it's similar to our common "vanilla" or something more exotic.

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I believe it might be apple pie, but it is possible he meant strawberry pie.

Or pork pie. Or custard pie. You are entirely correct, we cannot be dogmatic on this point. It shall have to remain a theologoumenon, unless His Munificent Awesomeness condescends to enlighten us further on this point.
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that you would deign mention pork pie because if we exegete the context here, it clearly excludes the unclean foods of the OT. What next, a shellfish pie? Will the blasphemy never end!?!?  Shocked

My dear Tri, are we not living in the end times, where the old Law has been fulfilled, and where there is neither Jew nor Greek, nor clean and unclean foods? Was not Peter commanded to eat of all that was on the sheet?

I speak as one well-versed in the harvesting of seafood from its wild environs, and in its preparation for the table. Feeding the multitudes is a specialty of mine.

In reflecting on the words of the enlightened Seer we see this passage...

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VANILA SKY you must walk the PLANK called DEATH before you can even dream of being present with The Lord.

As far as the world that waits for the almost 2000 years in the making SECOND COMING, they to wil get their wish and the devil called lucifer will grant it for them.

It is now clear to me that only vanila pie (which rhymes with sky) is acceptable. I am having difficulty with the spelling of vanila as I always thought it was spelled with 2 "l"s.  Perhaps this is a new revelation that we ought to go to the new revised spelling.

Now that the Matriarch has granted her blessing on the interpretation, I feel quite comfortable in knowing that we heurmenutically exegeted the passage correctly.
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Vanila is an ancient spice and the translation could be corrupted.  So we have no way of knowing if it's similar to our common "vanilla" or something more exotic.

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I believe it might be apple pie, but it is possible he meant strawberry pie.

Or pork pie. Or custard pie. You are entirely correct, we cannot be dogmatic on this point. It shall have to remain a theologoumenon, unless His Munificent Awesomeness condescends to enlighten us further on this point.
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that you would deign mention pork pie because if we exegete the context here, it clearly excludes the unclean foods of the OT. What next, a shellfish pie? Will the blasphemy never end!?!?  Shocked

My dear Tri, are we not living in the end times, where the old Law has been fulfilled, and where there is neither Jew nor Greek, nor clean and unclean foods? Was not Peter commanded to eat of all that was on the sheet?

I speak as one well-versed in the harvesting of seafood from its wild environs, and in its preparation for the table. Feeding the multitudes is a specialty of mine.

In reflecting on the words of the enlightened Seer we see this passage...

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VANILA SKY you must walk the PLANK called DEATH before you can even dream of being present with The Lord.

As far as the world that waits for the almost 2000 years in the making SECOND COMING, they to wil get their wish and the devil called lucifer will grant it for them.

It is now clear to me that only vanila pie (which rhymes with sky) is acceptable. I am having difficulty with the spelling of vanila as I always thought it was spelled with 2 "l"s.  Perhaps this is a new revelation that we ought to go to the new revised spelling.

Now that the Matriarch has granted her blessing on the interpretation, I feel quite comfortable in knowing that we heurmenutically exegeted the passage correctly.

Indeed. Let us raise a toast to our beloved Matriarch!
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« Reply #162 on: September 12, 2013, 09:04:14 AM »

Or we could crack a cidre or five. Ain't it grand that it's a booze-allowed day? Grin

Some good English cidre would do the trick.  Hey, it's fruit, right?  laugh

Only one of your five-a-day, though, regardless of quantity. Cheesy

Grapes, plums, pears, apricots and peaches. There! Five fruits, all brewed accordingly.  laugh

Preservation is a sacred duty. Cheesy

.... of the drinkable variety, of course.  laugh If one has no still, then infusions are more than acceptable, won't risk blowing up the neighborhood, and won't run foul of the authorities.

Yes, good infusions with vodka or brandy is most acceptable.  I do that every now and again.
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I can't tell you how glad I am to see this and the return to the traditional piety!

Do you have a long catechumenate?
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I can't tell you how glad I am to see this and the return to the traditional piety!

Do you have a long catechumenate?

Seven years.  You must wear a mourning robe of burlap and have ashes rubbed on your head during the entire catechumenate.
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« Reply #165 on: September 12, 2013, 10:18:45 AM »

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I believe it might be apple pie, but it is possible he meant strawberry pie.

Or pork pie. Or custard pie. You are entirely correct, we cannot be dogmatic on this point. It shall have to remain a theologoumenon, unless His Munificent Awesomeness condescends to enlighten us further on this point.
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that you would deign mention pork pie because if we exegete the context here, it clearly excludes the unclean foods of the OT. What next, a shellfish pie? Will the heresy never end!?!?  Shocked


Oh my, I had 'lobstah' pot pie out in Wellfleet one year..If I recall, it was delicious..big trouble ahead.... Smiley Smiley
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« Reply #166 on: September 12, 2013, 10:20:30 AM »

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Or pork pie. Or custard pie. You are entirely correct, we cannot be dogmatic on this point. It shall have to remain a theologoumenon, unless His Munificent Awesomeness condescends to enlighten us further on this point.
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that you would deign mention pork pie because if we exegete the context here, it clearly excludes the unclean foods of the OT. What next, a shellfish pie? Will the heresy never end!?!?  Shocked


Oh my, I had 'lobstah' pot pie out in Wellfleet one year..If I recall, it was delicious..big trouble ahead.... Smiley Smiley

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I can't tell you how glad I am to see this and the return to the traditional piety!

Do you have a long catechumenate?

Seven years.  You must wear a mourning robe of burlap and have ashes rubbed on your head during the entire catechumenate.
On a plus side, our online monastery is co-ed and since no one can see you, you can attend in your burlap underwear.  I do all the time.  Tongue
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« Reply #168 on: September 12, 2013, 10:31:42 AM »

I can't tell you how glad I am to see this and the return to the traditional piety!

Do you have a long catechumenate?

Seven years.  You must wear a mourning robe of burlap and have ashes rubbed on your head during the entire catechumenate.
On a plus side, our online monastery is co-ed and since no one can see you, you can attend in your burlap underwear.  I do all the time.  Tongue

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« Reply #169 on: September 12, 2013, 10:45:31 AM »

Must one go entirely pie-less during that period or can one still partake of one's former piety while working their way into truly believing in the pie?

Burlap itches but pie consoles.
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Must one go entirely pie-less during that period or can one still partake of one's former piety while working their way into truly believing in the pie?

Burlap itches but pie consoles.
Only vanila pie.  None of that pork pie nonsense.  The canons have been laid out clearly on that one.  Grin
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« Reply #171 on: September 12, 2013, 11:28:41 AM »

It would be better to simply not reply to Serpentslayer at all then to fill the thread with a vain jocularity.
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« Reply #172 on: September 12, 2013, 11:34:07 AM »

94.3% of my posts on this forum are vain jocularity. The other 5.7% are vain argumentations.
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There have been no insults. Just expanding on the apocryphal beatitude: 'Blessed are those who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.'

This reminded me of The Boring Prophet.  
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« Reply #174 on: September 12, 2013, 11:42:41 AM »

Must one go entirely pie-less during that period or can one still partake of one's former piety while working their way into truly believing in the pie?

Burlap itches but pie consoles.
Only vanila pie.  None of that pork pie nonsense.  The canons have been laid out clearly on that one.  Grin

And what about Shepherd's Pie?
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« Reply #175 on: September 12, 2013, 11:52:30 AM »

Must one go entirely pie-less during that period or can one still partake of one's former piety while working their way into truly believing in the pie?

Burlap itches but pie consoles.
Only vanila pie.  None of that pork pie nonsense.  The canons have been laid out clearly on that one.  Grin

I believe that was a local council only and has not been upheld or affirmed by the whole community.  The anti-pork faction is strong, but they do not make doctrine.
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« Reply #176 on: September 12, 2013, 11:59:57 AM »

Actually the 2nd canon of the Council in Trullo accepted earlier canons supporting both vanilla and pork pies, among several others. This has left things vague and open to argument ever since, though this particular canon from Trullo is rarely brought up because it is embarrassing at best, and even worse could be used by heretics to justify their preference fro apple pie.
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Keep in mind, that neither canon nor universal consent establishes correct teaching here.  The ultimate authority is our own personal exegesis of our cherrypicked Scripture reference for only that can be infallible.  And obviously, if someone interprets a passage differently than myself, they are wrong and must be condemned.  This is our custom and we have no other.
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It would be better to simply not reply to Serpentslayer at all then to fill the thread with a vain jocularity.

I agree. You forgot a comma, though.  Wink  Grin (emoticons = vain jocularity)
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« Reply #179 on: September 12, 2013, 12:03:56 PM »

I need to go shower now. Thankfully I'm already naked.
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« Reply #180 on: September 12, 2013, 01:14:08 PM »

I need to go shower now. Thankfully I'm already naked.
Fortunately you can commune at our online monastery while doing so.
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« Reply #181 on: September 12, 2013, 01:16:39 PM »

Actually the 2nd canon of the Council in Trullo accepted earlier canons supporting both vanilla and pork pies, among several others. This has left things vague and open to argument ever since, though this particular canon from Trullo is rarely brought up because it is embarrassing at best, and even worse could be used by heretics to justify their preference fro apple pie.

An obvious forgery, because it is well-documented that vanila is different from vanilla.  Vanila is a holy spice, whereas vanilla is a whorish substance.  Provide the original menu from the Trullo luncheon and I will believe you.
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« Reply #182 on: September 12, 2013, 01:17:54 PM »

I need to go shower now. Thankfully I'm already naked.
Fortunately you can commune at our online monastery while doing so.

While being digitally showered with holy brandy.  Watch the eyes!
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« Reply #183 on: September 12, 2013, 05:27:57 PM »

I think that this person is the recently banned super old believer

perhaps both of them are sock puppet trolls
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« Reply #184 on: September 12, 2013, 05:42:15 PM »

Actually the 2nd canon of the Council in Trullo accepted earlier canons supporting both vanilla and pork pies, among several others. This has left things vague and open to argument ever since, though this particular canon from Trullo is rarely brought up because it is embarrassing at best, and even worse could be used by heretics to justify their preference fro apple pie.

An obvious forgery, because it is well-documented that vanila is different from vanilla.  Vanila is a holy spice, whereas vanilla is a whorish substance.  Provide the original menu from the Trullo luncheon and I will believe you.

New Advent and CCEL, being Roman Catholic and Protestant websites, obviously have tried to erase the evidence of this from existence. Thankfully there is a new Orthodox site which is preserving our heritage! It has not gone live yet, so I can not publically link to it, however I have been a contributor and editor and thus have access to the contents. So, just for you, here is a scan of the original English text written by the Fathers of the 7th century that details what I am talking about. I hope with this you will realize that there is much more to Church history than the Catholics and Protestants want you to believe. Don't fall for their lies! Also, if you wish to financially support the website I spoke of that I am helping get off the ground, you can send a money order or personal check to me and I promise it will get to them.



EDIT--Note, I am not sure if the "whip" instead of "whipped" is a typo by copyists, or if perhaps they just had a different spelling.
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« Reply #185 on: September 12, 2013, 05:53:36 PM »

Forgive my unbelief!   It could be a copyist error (as is the possibility with vanila vs. vanilla) or it is a type of cream which no longer exists in modern day.  How are we to interpret the Canon in this way if there is no more whip cream?  Or did they forget a conjunction?  "Whip and cream"?  "Whip or cream"?  Also, where is the Patriarchate of Pennsylburgia on the ancient maps? 
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« Reply #186 on: September 12, 2013, 05:56:35 PM »

Certainly possibilities regarding the confusion/problem. As for the location, perhaps ialmisry will be able to provide us with a map?
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« Reply #187 on: September 12, 2013, 06:04:47 PM »

I got this cashier's cheque for ten grand for your organization.  Just deposit and cash out $1000 and send it to me for the processing fee.  Also, you won the lotto in Azerbaijan.  Send me your bank info and it will be deposited posthaste.
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« Reply #188 on: September 12, 2013, 06:07:17 PM »

Oh snap, I don't have legal authority to do that Sad  I'll tell you what I can do though, I will send you a rebate form via email for you to fill out, then you send me the money, and when you are finally allowed to access the site you send in the form and you will be reimbursed. My email associated with the site is  asteriktostheman@ancientfaithpatristicsnstuff.net
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« Reply #189 on: September 12, 2013, 06:18:33 PM »

Oooooh, gee, I can't really do that.  Tell you what.  I'll wire you the money with this new machine I have.  It only costs$3.50 per transaction!  How cool is that?  Just send me $3.50 in pennies via snail mail so I can get a coffee at Starbucks while I wait.  I'll send you the address to your electronic mail address.

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« Reply #190 on: September 12, 2013, 06:20:37 PM »

Thank you. Ever since they invented these modulator demodulators that let us communicate via electronic thingies over the interwebs (thanks Al!) life has been much better.
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« Reply #191 on: September 12, 2013, 06:32:15 PM »

I will also send you my analog cellular mobile telephone number.  Only call me at 3PM Newfoundland time.  That's when I get the best reception and no roaming charges, since I'll be standing on my house. 



It's only $3.00 per minute, too!  And the battery rental is cheap!
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« Reply #192 on: September 12, 2013, 08:44:20 PM »

After partaking in the Holy Communion of The Lord I hereby plead with you oh God to forgive them for they know not what they are doing. Forgive them lord and turn them back from their vanity and bring them to your truth according to your holiness, I pray in your name and the name of your beloved Son and my saviour Christ Jesus and your almighty Holy Spirit who gave me life.

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« Reply #193 on: September 12, 2013, 09:10:07 PM »

Must one go entirely pie-less during that period or can one still partake of one's former piety while working their way into truly believing in the pie?

Burlap itches but pie consoles.
Only vanila pie.  None of that pork pie nonsense.  The canons have been laid out clearly on that one.  Grin

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is it made of real Shepherds?   
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« Reply #194 on: September 12, 2013, 09:11:30 PM »

Serpentslayer, I am becoming more and more convinced that you are simply trolling. You are pouring out scriptures like a waterfall and you completely ignore people when they are trying to have an intelligent discussion with you.

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« Reply #195 on: September 12, 2013, 10:37:01 PM »

After partaking in the Holy Communion of The Lord I hereby plead with you oh God to forgive them for they know not what they are doing. Forgive them lord and turn them back from their vanity and bring them to your truth according to your holiness, I pray in your name and the name of your beloved Son and my saviour Christ Jesus and your almighty Holy Spirit who gave me life.

Amen 

No one here wishes evil on you. It's just, you sound like a Gnostic, is all. And when we bring it up, you lash out like we are attacking you personally. It's not like you're Arius and we're St. Nicholas. It's against the rules to cyber-slap people anyhow.

You mustn't get overexcited. Christians are told to test the spirits, to test false doctrines.

May God lead you to the truth. He loves you. I'll pray for you. Even if you are (allegedly) trolling.
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« Reply #196 on: September 12, 2013, 10:45:43 PM »

After partaking in the Holy Communion of The Lord I hereby plead with you oh God to forgive them for they know not what they are doing. Forgive them lord and turn them back from their vanity and bring them to your truth according to your holiness, I pray in your name and the name of your beloved Son and my saviour Christ Jesus and your almighty Holy Spirit who gave me life.

Amen 

Was this "Holy Communion" self-administered? This is an honest question.
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« Reply #197 on: September 15, 2013, 05:14:47 AM »

After partaking in the Holy Communion of The Lord I hereby plead with you oh God to forgive them for they know not what they are doing. Forgive them lord and turn them back from their vanity and bring them to your truth according to your holiness, I pray in your name and the name of your beloved Son and my saviour Christ Jesus and your almighty Holy Spirit who gave me life.

Amen 

No one here wishes evil on you. It's just, you sound like a Gnostic, is all. And when we bring it up, you lash out like we are attacking you personally. It's not like you're Arius and we're St. Nicholas. It's against the rules to cyber-slap people anyhow.

You mustn't get overexcited. Christians are told to test the spirits, to test false doctrines.

May God lead you to the truth. He loves you. I'll pray for you. Even if you are (allegedly) trolling.

Thankyou sister I have by the grace of God faced harlotry and hypocrisy all the time by those who hold up the images of Mary and saints.

My mission is to destroy the idols in the high places of the mind and heart. GOD WILLING HE WILL HELP ME TO DO SO.

We are going to see a huge change soon when the sword of the Spirit is going to destroy all idolatry from the face of the globe along with those who hold these idols in their mind and hearts.

The most abominable thing to God is idolatry found in all churches today.  These images must be destroyed from the source that is the mind and heart.

God will Minister the destruction through his oppressors then you can cry out where is our God. Shaking up is coming soon brothers and sisters.

Don't be found kissing or kneeling before idols because JEHU is coming for you.
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« Reply #198 on: September 15, 2013, 05:38:30 AM »

Thankyou sister I have by the grace of God faced harlotry and hypocrisy all the time by those who hold up the images of Mary and saints.

My mission is to destroy the idols in the high places of the mind and heart. GOD WILLING HE WILL HELP ME TO DO SO.

We are going to see a huge change soon when the sword of the Spirit is going to destroy all idolatry from the face of the globe along with those who hold these idols in their mind and hearts.

The most abominable thing to God is idolatry found in all churches today.  These images must be destroyed from the source that is the mind and heart.

God will Minister the destruction through his oppressors then you can cry out where is our God. Shaking up is coming soon brothers and sisters.

Don't be found kissing or kneeling before idols because JEHU is coming for you.

Again I am left confused about what you are saying. Are you arguing against icons here or something? We tend not to take kindly to that.

If you are trolling, you may have overplayed your hand. If you are serious, you're bonkers.
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« Reply #199 on: September 15, 2013, 10:51:37 AM »

Bad boys bad boys,
Whachoo gonna do?
Whachoo gonna do when JEHU comes for you?

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« Reply #200 on: September 15, 2013, 11:13:01 AM »

I'm sorry, but I will have to start a new monastery AGAIN.

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« Reply #201 on: September 15, 2013, 06:56:19 PM »

After partaking in the Holy Communion of The Lord I hereby plead with you oh God to forgive them for they know not what they are doing. Forgive them lord and turn them back from their vanity and bring them to your truth according to your holiness, I pray in your name and the name of your beloved Son and my saviour Christ Jesus and your almighty Holy Spirit who gave me life.

Amen 

No one here wishes evil on you. It's just, you sound like a Gnostic, is all. And when we bring it up, you lash out like we are attacking you personally. It's not like you're Arius and we're St. Nicholas. It's against the rules to cyber-slap people anyhow.

You mustn't get overexcited. Christians are told to test the spirits, to test false doctrines.

May God lead you to the truth. He loves you. I'll pray for you. Even if you are (allegedly) trolling.

Thankyou sister I have by the grace of God faced harlotry and hypocrisy all the time by those who hold up the images of Mary and saints.

My mission is to destroy the idols in the high places of the mind and heart. GOD WILLING HE WILL HELP ME TO DO SO.

We are going to see a huge change soon when the sword of the Spirit is going to destroy all idolatry from the face of the globe along with those who hold these idols in their mind and hearts.

The most abominable thing to God is idolatry found in all churches today.  These images must be destroyed from the source that is the mind and heart.

God will Minister the destruction through his oppressors then you can cry out where is our God. Shaking up is coming soon brothers and sisters.

Don't be found kissing or kneeling before idols because JEHU is coming for you.
Jehu, son of Jehoshaphat, is coming for me?  Isn't he dead?  I mean, I know he wiped out Ahab's house and all, but he is kinda past his prime now.
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« Reply #202 on: September 15, 2013, 07:01:43 PM »

After partaking in the Holy Communion of The Lord I hereby plead with you oh God to forgive them for they know not what they are doing. Forgive them lord and turn them back from their vanity and bring them to your truth according to your holiness, I pray in your name and the name of your beloved Son and my saviour Christ Jesus and your almighty Holy Spirit who gave me life.

Amen 

No one here wishes evil on you. It's just, you sound like a Gnostic, is all. And when we bring it up, you lash out like we are attacking you personally. It's not like you're Arius and we're St. Nicholas. It's against the rules to cyber-slap people anyhow.

You mustn't get overexcited. Christians are told to test the spirits, to test false doctrines.

May God lead you to the truth. He loves you. I'll pray for you. Even if you are (allegedly) trolling.

Thankyou sister I have by the grace of God faced harlotry and hypocrisy all the time by those who hold up the images of Mary and saints.

My mission is to destroy the idols in the high places of the mind and heart. GOD WILLING HE WILL HELP ME TO DO SO.

We are going to see a huge change soon when the sword of the Spirit is going to destroy all idolatry from the face of the globe along with those who hold these idols in their mind and hearts.

The most abominable thing to God is idolatry found in all churches today.  These images must be destroyed from the source that is the mind and heart.

God will Minister the destruction through his oppressors then you can cry out where is our God. Shaking up is coming soon brothers and sisters.

Don't be found kissing or kneeling before idols because JEHU is coming for you.
Jehu, son of Jehoshaphat, is coming for me?  Isn't he dead?  I mean, I know he wiped out Ahab's house and all, but he is kinda past his prime now.

You crack me up.  Cheesy
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