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« on: September 04, 2013, 07:00:51 PM »

Grace and Peace,

Since this is my first post (I've been lurking here for a couple of years) I want to say "Hello" to everyone, and also provide a brief personal background.

I come from a nominally Protestant family, yet I was dissatisfied with the sectarianism of the Protestant churches. Believing in the One, Holy, Universal and Apostolic Church prompted me to investigate Orthodoxy. I have been attempting to balance my bookish tendencies (i.e. intellectual pursuits) with a prayerful life (i.e. a contemplative approach). I think both are important to cultivate.

I have been draw to both the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox communions. There are local parishes in my area from several jurisdictions and communions. I am currently not affiliated with an Orthodox parish, nor have I been baptized in an Orthodox church (though I was baptized as a child in a Protestant church). It is unclear at present where God will lead me. I am praying for discernment. Please consider remembering me in your prayers.

Going forward, I hope to participate in more dialog here on the forum.
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2013, 07:22:28 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2013, 08:11:02 PM »

I come from much the same background and am in a very similar situation.

The difference is practicality. There are EO parishes that are closer to my house than OO parishes. So, Greek Orthodox or OCA are the two choices.

I have been to the Greek parish, it's small. From what I have seen through photos of the OCA parish it is much larger. I will go there next and maybe cycle on and off until I settle into one of them.
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2013, 08:38:05 PM »

Vwelcome Smiley

Thank you Asteriktos!
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2013, 09:21:21 PM »

Hello xOrthodox4Christx,

I come from much the same background and am in a very similar situation.

The difference is practicality. There are EO parishes that are closer to my house than OO parishes. So, Greek Orthodox or OCA are the two choices.

I have been to the Greek parish, it's small. From what I have seen through photos of the OCA parish it is much larger. I will go there next and maybe cycle on and off until I settle into one of them.

Thank you for your comments. Where I live I know for certain there are parishes that are ROCOR, and Coptic Orthodox fairly close to me. A bit further out from me there is a Greek Orthodox parish and an OCA parish. There are probably more than these as well.

I intend to visit (at minimum) the ROCOR parish and the Coptic Orthodox parish as soon as I am able, partially because they are close to me, but also because I have been attracted to both for different reasons. The Liturgy of the Coptic Church is very beautiful (I have never been, but I have watched videos of it). I simply love the hymns and chants. And I like the fact that the Agpeya is a prayer book used by priests, monks and lay alike. I obtained a copy several years ago and pray some of the Hours daily as part of my (self-imposed) prayer rule. On the EO side, I like that there is a wealth of literature already available in English translation. I am not ethnically Russian, Greek or Copt, and can only read and speak English, so my studies (for now, at least) are restricted to texts in English. There seems to be an abundance of literature coming out of the Eastern Orthodox Church.

What I lack is participation in parish life, and a direct relationship with a priest (as guide and mentor). I guess the best thing for me to do at this point is to visit my local parishes, and keep praying for discernment. Smiley



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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2013, 11:48:12 PM »

Welcome, Antonius.

You're on the right path. Attend services and introduce yourself to the clergy. You might meet a priest who strikes a chord with you, with whom you can discuss specific issues.

I think it's pretty common for "Oriental Orthodox" (especially English-speaking converts) to read "Eastern Orthodox" literature. We share a common Eastern Christian spirituality, after all. Don't join EO for the wealth of literature, join us for our four extra ecumenical councils and our pierogi (just kidding, of course Wink ).
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2013, 11:54:24 PM »

Don't join EO for the wealth of literature, join us for our four extra ecumenical councils and our pierogi (just kidding, of course Wink ).

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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2013, 12:58:14 AM »

Welcome to the forum, Antonious.

There is a lot available from the non-Chalcedonian Orthodox Church, although because of their relatively shorter history in the west, it is still probably less than what the Chalcedonians have. Still, you can find a lot of English material at the website of the British Orthodox Church, naturally (which is within the Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate). If it is specifically Coptic Orthodoxy you are interested in (as the BOC was established for Britons), then you can find a wealth of English material on the Southern United States Diocese's website (see "Questions and Answers" and other sections under the "Features" column on the right side of the homepage), or that of the Diocese of Los Angeles, or of Sydney, Australia, etc.

You can also find a lot of books and other reading material in PDF format at the very appropriately named Coptic Book site. (Note: Unfortunately, many of the translations of HH Pope Shenouda III's books, at least that I've read, require some...erm...liberal interpretations of the English language, but they can still be profitable if you are willing to put in the effort; they are definitely worth it, I'd say).
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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2013, 09:00:44 AM »

Welcome and best wishes on your journey!  I'm not really going to plug any particular church other than to say visit them all with an open mind, speak to the priests at each and bathe your decision in prayer.  Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2013, 09:57:58 AM »

Welcome  Smiley    Do not forget the food issue, if you go to Romanian Orthodox Church you will eat the best sarma in the world after the Divine Liturgy, that should have some weight in the balance for your choice  Cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2013, 10:20:35 AM »

I have been drawn to both the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox communions. There are local parishes in my area from several jurisdictions and communions.

I see that you seem to have some awareness that these are two separate families of churches which are not in communion with one another. Many inquirers miss out on this fact. I would encourage you to try to understand the differences and weigh their importance as you investigate Orthodoxy, but ultimately without some command of the ancient languages used in the theological debates you're just going to have to follow your gut. But I wouldn't agree that "we're just the same" or whatever. While there are a great many similarities, there are also many differences.

I hope that you get closer to God by investigating Orthodoxy. Welcome to the forum.
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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2013, 11:14:42 AM »

I have seen OOs quote from EO Fathers like St. Symeon the New Theologian, St. Gregory Palamas and St. Photios many times.

The difference is communion mainly, not theology. The issues of the nature of Christ from the Council of Chalcedon have been gone over countless times.

Most modern theologians say that the difference between Christ's Physis and Ousia, in OO and EO Christology, are a matter of semantics, and that both are essentially teaching the same thing.
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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2013, 11:18:29 AM »

Welcome  Smiley    Do not forget the food issue, if you go to Romanian Orthodox Church you will eat the best sarma in the world after the Divine Liturgy, that should have some weight in the balance for your choice  Cheesy

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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2013, 11:25:16 AM »

Most modern theologians say that the difference between Christ's Physis and Ousia are a matter of semantics, and that both are essentially teaching the same thing.

And we can trust these modern theologians over the people of the day? Did they not understand their immediate circumstances better? Maybe hindsight really is 20/20, but in this case I'm highly skeptical.

Platitudes about using different words to essentially say the same thing is the exact way that the ecumenically minded Roman Catholics describe Greek versus Latin theological approaches to God. It's also the way that universalism describes the disparate theologies of the various world religions. Different paths to God, etc.

I think that this glossing over of differences has more to do with how we wish that it was back then rather than how it actually was. We wish that those Christians really hadn't cared enough about those linguistic formulations to cause permanent divides in Christendom. But they did, and here we stand.

If the differences are merely semantic, then let's just get it over with and adopt their formulations. After all, we're just saying the same thing in different ways. So in the spirit of Christian charity and humility, let's say it their way!
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Guys, can we not... Roll Eyes

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Guys, can we not... Roll Eyes

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« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2013, 12:58:29 PM »

Welcome  Smiley    Do not forget the food issue, if you go to Romanian Orthodox Church you will eat the best sarma in the world after the Divine Liturgy, that should have some weight in the balance for your choice  Cheesy
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« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2013, 04:25:42 PM »

Welcome, Antonius.

You're on the right path. Attend services and introduce yourself to the clergy. You might meet a priest who strikes a chord with you, with whom you can discuss specific issues.

I think it's pretty common for "Oriental Orthodox" (especially English-speaking converts) to read "Eastern Orthodox" literature. We share a common Eastern Christian spirituality, after all. Don't join EO for the wealth of literature, join us for our four extra ecumenical councils and our pierogi (just kidding, of course Wink ).

@lovesupreme, thanks for the encouragement. OK, I think you won me over to the EO because I love pierogis! Haha, just kidding. But levity is good!
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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2013, 04:27:26 PM »

Welcome to the forum, Antonious.

There is a lot available from the non-Chalcedonian Orthodox Church, although because of their relatively shorter history in the west, it is still probably less than what the Chalcedonians have. Still, you can find a lot of English material at the website of the British Orthodox Church, naturally (which is within the Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate). If it is specifically Coptic Orthodoxy you are interested in (as the BOC was established for Britons), then you can find a wealth of English material on the Southern United States Diocese's website (see "Questions and Answers" and other sections under the "Features" column on the right side of the homepage), or that of the Diocese of Los Angeles, or of Sydney, Australia, etc.

You can also find a lot of books and other reading material in PDF format at the very appropriately named Coptic Book site. (Note: Unfortunately, many of the translations of HH Pope Shenouda III's books, at least that I've read, require some...erm...liberal interpretations of the English language, but they can still be profitable if you are willing to put in the effort; they are definitely worth it, I'd say).

@dzheremi, thank you for the welcome, and for pointing out some English resources for the Coptic Church. I was aware of the British Orthodox Church and think they are doing wonderful work. I have been more drawn to specifically Coptic Orthodoxy in terms of Liturgy and the Mysteries/Sacraments (For example, the Liturgy of St. Basil rather than the Liturgy of St. James, etc.). It is not that I think there is anything lacking or in error with the BOC (I note that they are officially within the Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate, so I am assuming this means the COC and the BOC are one in terms of doctrine and faith), yet I feel more inclined to seek out a Coptic Orthodox parish. Also, I live in the US, and I don't think there is a BOC presence here, but there are several parishes that are Coptic Orthodox (I know of five in my state, two of which are relatively close to where I live). I will certainly return to the BOC website now and again though, and keep my eye out for English publications there, as well as from the other resources you shared. Thanks again!
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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2013, 04:27:58 PM »

Welcome and best wishes on your journey!  I'm not really going to plug any particular church other than to say visit them all with an open mind, speak to the priests at each and bathe your decision in prayer.  Smiley

@TheTrisagion, thank you for the welcome. Excellent advice! Taken to heart. Thanks again.
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« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2013, 04:29:46 PM »

Welcome  Smiley    Do not forget the food issue, if you go to Romanian Orthodox Church you will eat the best sarma in the world after the Divine Liturgy, that should have some weight in the balance for your choice  Cheesy

@Napoletani, thanks for the advice. LOL, more food options! Of course, I will not really base my decision of which parish to attend on preferred ethnic cuisine, but I receive your information with a warm heart (and an empty stomach. Almost time for dinner! lol).  Grin
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« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2013, 04:31:35 PM »

Most modern theologians say that the difference between Christ's Physis and Ousia are a matter of semantics, and that both are essentially teaching the same thing.

And we can trust these modern theologians over the people of the day? Did they not understand their immediate circumstances better? Maybe hindsight really is 20/20, but in this case I'm highly skeptical.

@Alveus Lacuna and xOrthodox4Christx, I appreciate your feedback, both of you. I realize going into this that this is a very sensitive subject, and I do not want to provoke polemical arguments, or cause any ill feelings. That said, as a potential convert to Orthodoxy I am faced with having to look into the history of Chalcedon, and what happened there (espcially between what became the Chalcedonian and Non-Chalcedonion communions), and subsequent history, all the way down to today. I am heartened to read about attempts towards unity, or, at least, some initial discussions in this direction. As for the details, perhaps this is not the best thread for that, though my initial post does lead in this direction. Apologies. God bless.
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« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2013, 06:11:06 PM »

Welcome  Smiley    Do not forget the food issue, if you go to Romanian Orthodox Church you will eat the best sarma in the world after the Divine Liturgy, that should have some weight in the balance for your choice  Cheesy

@Napoletani, thanks for the advice. LOL, more food options! Of course, I will not really base my decision of which parish to attend on preferred ethnic cuisine, but I receive your information with a warm heart (and an empty stomach. Almost time for dinner! lol).  Grin

I'm dating a catholic girl, and one of first things i did was to bring her to romanian restaurant hehe so it is my best trick to convert people to Romanian Orthodoxy now  Grin
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Welcome  Smiley    Do not forget the food issue, if you go to Romanian Orthodox Church you will eat the best sarma in the world after the Divine Liturgy, that should have some weight in the balance for your choice  Cheesy

@Napoletani, thanks for the advice. LOL, more food options! Of course, I will not really base my decision of which parish to attend on preferred ethnic cuisine, but I receive your information with a warm heart (and an empty stomach. Almost time for dinner! lol).  Grin

I'm dating a catholic girl, and one of first things i did was to bring her to romanian restaurant hehe so it is my best trick to convert people to Romanian Orthodoxy now  Grin
methinks you overestimate the romanian cuisine. most people i know think it's pretty undistinguishable from other eastern european cuisines like serbian or polish etc.
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« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2013, 06:57:23 PM »

Welcome  Smiley    Do not forget the food issue, if you go to Romanian Orthodox Church you will eat the best sarma in the world after the Divine Liturgy, that should have some weight in the balance for your choice  Cheesy

@Napoletani, thanks for the advice. LOL, more food options! Of course, I will not really base my decision of which parish to attend on preferred ethnic cuisine, but I receive your information with a warm heart (and an empty stomach. Almost time for dinner! lol).  Grin

I'm dating a catholic girl, and one of first things i did was to bring her to romanian restaurant hehe so it is my best trick to convert people to Romanian Orthodoxy now  Grin
methinks you overestimate the romanian cuisine. most people i know think it's pretty undistinguishable from other eastern european cuisines like serbian or polish etc.

Like serbian yes, dont know polish cuisines. But i ate bulgarian, it is not as good as us. Even if it is almost the same. But repeating them our food is the best, they will believe it and come to our church maybe  Grin
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« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2013, 07:02:50 PM »

well anyways, if your gf is italian or french (can't remember where you said you lived) both these cuisines are infinitely more varied -and hence better-than the romanian cuisine.
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Welcome  Smiley    Do not forget the food issue, if you go to Romanian Orthodox Church you will eat the best sarma in the world after the Divine Liturgy, that should have some weight in the balance for your choice  Cheesy
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Welcome  Smiley    Do not forget the food issue, if you go to Romanian Orthodox Church you will eat the best sarma in the world after the Divine Liturgy, that should have some weight in the balance for your choice  Cheesy
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Hahaha even i have hard time to stand the smelling of it despite smelling it since infancy.
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« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2013, 07:07:41 PM »

well anyways, if your gf is italian or french (can't remember where you said you lived) both these cuisines are infinitely more varied -and hence better-than the romanian cuisine.

She's french, i live in France. And yes, i agree with you, especially about the french food.
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« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2013, 07:22:52 PM »

Welcome  Smiley    Do not forget the food issue, if you go to Romanian Orthodox Church you will eat the best sarma in the world after the Divine Liturgy, that should have some weight in the balance for your choice  Cheesy

@Napoletani, thanks for the advice. LOL, more food options! Of course, I will not really base my decision of which parish to attend on preferred ethnic cuisine, but I receive your information with a warm heart (and an empty stomach. Almost time for dinner! lol).  Grin

I'm dating a catholic girl, and one of first things i did was to bring her to romanian restaurant hehe so it is my best trick to convert people to Romanian Orthodoxy now  Grin
methinks you overestimate the romanian cuisine. most people i know think it's pretty undistinguishable from other eastern european cuisines like serbian or polish etc.

I would say Balkan cousine is similat within, however I can't really compare Polish to it. Polish would be more like KUK one.
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« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2013, 09:04:09 PM »

Most modern theologians say that the difference between Christ's Physis and Ousia are a matter of semantics, and that both are essentially teaching the same thing.

And we can trust these modern theologians over the people of the day? Did they not understand their immediate circumstances better? Maybe hindsight really is 20/20, but in this case I'm highly skeptical.

Platitudes about using different words to essentially say the same thing is the exact way that the ecumenically minded Roman Catholics describe Greek versus Latin theological approaches to God. It's also the way that universalism describes the disparate theologies of the various world religions. Different paths to God, etc.

I think that this glossing over of differences has more to do with how we wish that it was back then rather than how it actually was. We wish that those Christians really hadn't cared enough about those linguistic formulations to cause permanent divides in Christendom. But they did, and here we stand.

If the differences are merely semantic, then let's just get it over with and adopt their formulations. After all, we're just saying the same thing in different ways. So in the spirit of Christian charity and humility, let's say it their way!

Just putting it out there. I recognize that semantics are used to sugarcoat things into what they aren't. Sure, Latins do it all of the time.

Two Ousia, One Physis; Two Physis, One Ousia...
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« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2013, 03:42:37 PM »

Ah, Grace and Peace. I've been Anglican (if you were interested in Protestanism, Anglicanism is the way to go, it's a beautiful faith), Eastern-rite Catholic, and a Reform Jew before I finally made a decision to practice and eventually formally convert to Holy Orthodoxy. It's a gentle and beautiful faith, with a lovely liturgy, friendly people, and a welcoming spirit. We are here to worship God, and we don't judge anyone, because we are all here because we are in need of healing by Christ our Divine Physician.

I would highly recommend Eastern Orthodoxy because she has upheld the seven Ecumeunical Councils, and is relatively unchanged since the time of the apostles. Oriental Orthodoxy is an interesting faith, but doesn't uphold several of  the Ecumeunical Councils.
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I would highly recommend Eastern Orthodoxy because she has upheld the seven Ecumeunical Councils, and is relatively unchanged since the time of the apostles. Oriental Orthodoxy is an interesting faith, but doesn't uphold several of  the Ecumeunical Councils.
If the number of councils held as "Ecumenical" or "Universal" within that communion is the yard stick; then the Roman Catholics have 21 Ecumenical Councils vs 7 Ecumenical Councils for the EO and 3 Ecumenical Councils for OO.

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« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2013, 02:23:11 AM »

well anyways, if your gf is italian or french (can't remember where you said you lived) both these cuisines are infinitely more varied -and hence better-than the romanian cuisine.
I'm surprised: I would have thought you would have found cuisine, let alone French cuisine, too bourgeois.

Chinese cuisine is more varied-eating rats and live fish (and snakes-I can't remember if they have them live too), for instance.  Don't think that makes it better.
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« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2013, 08:19:15 AM »

well anyways, if your gf is italian or french (can't remember where you said you lived) both these cuisines are infinitely more varied -and hence better-than the romanian cuisine.
I'm surprised: I would have thought you would have found cuisine, let alone French cuisine, too bourgeois.

Chinese cuisine is more varied-eating rats and live fish (and snakes-I can't remember if they have them live too), for instance.  Don't think that makes it better.

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I would highly recommend Eastern Orthodoxy because she has upheld the seven Ecumeunical Councils, and is relatively unchanged since the time of the apostles. Oriental Orthodoxy is an interesting faith, but doesn't uphold several of  the Ecumeunical Councils.

I have been listening to Deacon Michael Hyatt's podcast series on the Ecumenical Councils. Can anyone recommend additional sources for this topic? Suggestions for both online and/or print will be greatly appreciated. I have a general idea about the Councils, but want to study these more in depth. I am open to sources from both EO and OO. Thank you in advance.

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« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2013, 10:22:38 AM »

Most modern theologians say that the difference between Christ's Physis and Ousia are a matter of semantics, and that both are essentially teaching the same thing.

And we can trust these modern theologians over the people of the day? Did they not understand their immediate circumstances better? Maybe hindsight really is 20/20, but in this case I'm highly skeptical.

Platitudes about using different words to essentially say the same thing is the exact way that the ecumenically minded Roman Catholics describe Greek versus Latin theological approaches to God. It's also the way that universalism describes the disparate theologies of the various world religions. Different paths to God, etc.

I think that this glossing over of differences has more to do with how we wish that it was back then rather than how it actually was. We wish that those Christians really hadn't cared enough about those linguistic formulations to cause permanent divides in Christendom. But they did, and here we stand.

If the differences are merely semantic, then let's just get it over with and adopt their formulations. After all, we're just saying the same thing in different ways. So in the spirit of Christian charity and humility, let's say it their way!

This genuine observation appears to me at least to be offering the originator of the thread a cautionary note that there are significant differences theologically and in the search for truth this should not be misleadingly glossed over. If our welcome to an inquirer is to be genuine we must be open and honest.

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Best wishes to you Antonious in your search for the Narrow Way.

Thank you Santagranddad. I also appreciate what you say about not glossing over significant differences.

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« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2013, 08:50:36 AM »

I would highly recommend Eastern Orthodoxy because she has upheld the seven Ecumeunical Councils, and is relatively unchanged since the time of the apostles. Oriental Orthodoxy is an interesting faith, but doesn't uphold several of  the Ecumeunical Councils.

I have been listening to Deacon Michael Hyatt's podcast series on the Ecumenical Councils. Can anyone recommend additional sources for this topic? Suggestions for both online and/or print will be greatly appreciated. I have a general idea about the Councils, but want to study these more in depth. I am open to sources from both EO and OO. Thank you in advance.



Fr. Thomas Hopko's podcast "Speaking the Truth in Love" has a continuing (42 parts so far, on Ancient Faith Radio) series called "Bishops" which is a really good historical overview of bishops in the Church, including the Ecumenical Councils and the many canons.  I've learned a lot from them and they point me towards more literature on the subject.
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« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2013, 09:49:40 AM »

Antonios, Don't forget that we also have a forum on Oriental Orthodoxy as well that may be an excellent resource to you. Please contnue to post in the Convert Issues forum and if you like, post questions needing deeper responses on the beliefs or resources pertaining to the Oriental Orthodox Churches in the Oriental Orthodox Forum as well. I am happy that you have already made connections with the local orthodox churches in your area, they will be able to give you the true orthopraxis of their churches better than anything in writing can provide.

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« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2013, 04:29:05 PM »

Fr. Thomas Hopko's podcast "Speaking the Truth in Love" has a continuing (42 parts so far, on Ancient Faith Radio) series called "Bishops" which is a really good historical overview of bishops in the Church, including the Ecumenical Councils and the many canons.  I've learned a lot from them and they point me towards more literature on the subject.

Hello Hecma925,

I will check out that podcast. It sounds interesting for sure. Thanks for the recommendation.


Antonios, Don't forget that we also have a forum on Oriental Orthodoxy as well that may be an excellent resource to you. Please contnue to post in the Convert Issues forum and if you like, post questions needing deeper responses on the beliefs or resources pertaining to the Oriental Orthodox Churches in the Oriental Orthodox Forum as well. I am happy that you have already made connections with the local orthodox churches in your area, they will be able to give you the true orthopraxis of their churches better than anything in writing can provide.

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Greetings Thomas,

Thank you for the warm welcome, and for pointing out that there is also an Oriental Orthodox forum here on OC.net. At this point of my journey I guess I would be called an inquirer (into Orthodoxy). I do want to give a fair hearing from both EO and OO, visit the parishes in my area, and continue to pray about it before I make any kind of solid decision as to where I belong. I appreciate the kindness of all who have responded to me, and look forward to more dialog along the way. Thanks again. God bless.
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I find that visiting churches for services first and then having conversations with priests is a better route than delving into reading--especially reading about Chalcedon and the councils. EO, OO--our faith does not exist in either tracts or histories or theological tomes, but in real life--and as such, one is far less distinguishable from the other than in books or on the Internet.
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« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2013, 04:13:04 AM »

hello and welcome!
and welcome to jules_grant also, who is new (and who i suspect is not actually 13, as he writes like a 23 year old...)
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we oriental orthodox generally accept all the councils except chalcedon, and even then, chalcedon as expressed by the later councils is fine.
(i am sending another paragraph of info to you separately so i don't derail the thread).
generally it is best to get to know the people in the churches and then decide which church to go to. we are all orthodox and when you find an orthodox church that speaks your language and loves you, stick there.

on a less serious note, egyptian food is awesome, and no one can equal the delicious 'fool medammes' (slightly spicy fava beans) that you can get in many churches during fasting seasons, and also we make the best falafel in all of asia and africa (not made from a dry mixture, but from soaked, ground beans).
our music is cool (if a bit strange) and we sing along with great enthusiasm, even if we occasionally engage in other dodgy practices such as sitting in pews...
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hello and welcome!
and welcome to jules_grant also, who is new (and who i suspect is not actually 13, as he writes like a 23 year old...)
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we oriental orthodox generally accept all the councils except chalcedon, and even then, chalcedon as expressed by the later councils is fine.
(i am sending another paragraph of info to you separately so i don't derail the thread).
generally it is best to get to know the people in the churches and then decide which church to go to. we are all orthodox and when you find an orthodox church that speaks your language and loves you, stick there.

on a less serious note, egyptian food is awesome, and no one can equal the delicious 'fool medammes' (slightly spicy fava beans) that you can get in many churches during fasting seasons, and also we make the best falafel in all of asia and africa (not made from a dry mixture, but from soaked, ground beans).
our music is cool (if a bit strange) and we sing along with great enthusiasm, even if we occasionally engage in other dodgy practices such as sitting in pews...
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Hope you become a member of the True church.

Thank you Nikolaos, so do I! Cheesy
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I find that visiting churches for services first and then having conversations with priests is a better route than delving into reading--especially reading about Chalcedon and the councils. EO, OO--our faith does not exist in either tracts or histories or theological tomes, but in real life--and as such, one is far less distinguishable from the other than in books or on the Internet.

I appreciate the feedback Shanghaiski. And I agree, I really just need to go visit the parishes that are local to me. I do, though, want to come in being at least somewhat informed. Not coming from an Orthodox background, I feel some study is in order. Yet I am sure that once I am able to visit, things will become not only more clear, but more stable perhaps as well. That is my hope.
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hello and welcome!
and welcome to jules_grant also, who is new (and who i suspect is not actually 13, as he writes like a 23 year old...)
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we oriental orthodox generally accept all the councils except chalcedon, and even then, chalcedon as expressed by the later councils is fine.
(i am sending another paragraph of info to you separately so i don't derail the thread).
generally it is best to get to know the people in the churches and then decide which church to go to. we are all orthodox and when you find an orthodox church that speaks your language and loves you, stick there.

on a less serious note, egyptian food is awesome, and no one can equal the delicious 'fool medammes' (slightly spicy fava beans) that you can get in many churches during fasting seasons, and also we make the best falafel in all of asia and africa (not made from a dry mixture, but from soaked, ground beans).
our music is cool (if a bit strange) and we sing along with great enthusiasm, even if we occasionally engage in other dodgy practices such as sitting in pews...
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Thanks Mabsoota! I apprecaite your feedback. I replied to your PM as well.

Big falafel fan here!  Grin
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I am taking the plunge. I have contacted the priest of an Orthodox parish local to me. I plan on attending my first Divine Liturgy this Sunday, 29 December. I am both a bit nervous and excited at the same time. I still consider myself an inquirer at this point. This will be my first time attending an Orthodox service. In fact, this will be the first time I have ever even stepped inside of an Orthodox parish.
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« Reply #50 on: December 22, 2013, 07:36:57 PM »

Grace and Peace,

Since this is my first post (I've been lurking here for a couple of years) I want to say "Hello" to everyone, and also provide a brief personal background.

I come from a nominally Protestant family, yet I was dissatisfied with the sectarianism of the Protestant churches. Believing in the One, Holy, Universal and Apostolic Church prompted me to investigate Orthodoxy. I have been attempting to balance my bookish tendencies (i.e. intellectual pursuits) with a prayerful life (i.e. a contemplative approach). I think both are important to cultivate.

I have been draw to both the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox communions. There are local parishes in my area from several jurisdictions and communions. I am currently not affiliated with an Orthodox parish, nor have I been baptized in an Orthodox church (though I was baptized as a child in a Protestant church). It is unclear at present where God will lead me. I am praying for discernment. Please consider remembering me in your prayers.

Going forward, I hope to participate in more dialog here on the forum.

Welcome to the forum, Antonious!  (Nice choice of name and avatar, by the way).  More importantly, welcome home to Orthodoxy!  May God guide you in your search.  Fast and pray and ask the Holy Spirit to lead you.  Smiley

I'm glad you're taking the plunge and visiting, as Shanghaiski's post is right on the money.

I would highly recommend Eastern Orthodoxy because she has upheld the seven Ecumeunical Councils, and is relatively unchanged since the time of the apostles. Oriental Orthodoxy is an interesting faith, but doesn't uphold several of  the Ecumeunical Councils.

I have been listening to Deacon Michael Hyatt's podcast series on the Ecumenical Councils. Can anyone recommend additional sources for this topic? Suggestions for both online and/or print will be greatly appreciated. I have a general idea about the Councils, but want to study these more in depth. I am open to sources from both EO and OO. Thank you in advance.


Yes, especially in light of the post above which erroneously indicates that Oriental Orthodoxy is in some way lacking the fullness of the Faith or has changed more than Eastern Orthodoxy since the time of the Apostles (it isn't and hasn't), I wouldn’t recommend that you make this decision without reading The Council of Chalcedon Re-Examined by Fr. V.C. Samuel.

Hope you become a member of the True church.

Me too.

Antonious, let us know how your visits go.  May God bless your search.
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Thank you Antonious Nikolas! I will definitely let you know how my visits go. I am planning on going to one parish by my house this Sunday, and another close by in the near future as well. One is ROCOR/ROCA and the other is Coptic Orthodox. I don't like the idea of "shopping around" as if the church was a supermarket for me to pick what I like, but I do want to give both communities a chance, and then continue to pray for discernment. I appreciate your kind feedback.

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I used to be a Methodist but it felt more like a social club. I could communicate with nice people elsewhere. I was searching for a CHURCH that would help me to connect with God, not just people. Eventually I had to convert to Pravoslavie ("the Right Word", Eastern Orthodoxy)

What was so convincing about Eastern Orthodoxy vs. other Christian religions and sects? Its fruits, its Saints. A great number of sinful people achieved enlightenment, overcame their fallen nature, produced miracles...

Congratulations to you, Antonious!

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Thank you Antonious Nikolas! I will definitely let you know how my visits go. I am planning on going to one parish by my house this Sunday, and another close by in the near future as well. One is ROCOR/ROCA and the other is Coptic Orthodox. I don't like the idea of "shopping around" as if the church was a supermarket for me to pick what I like, but I do want to give both communities a chance, and then continue to pray for discernment. I appreciate your kind feedback.

Yes, my screen name here is not my given name, but I do draw a lot of inspiration from Saint Anthony!

You have the right attitude of humility and sincerity.  May God guide you and the prayers of St. Anthony be with you.  Smiley
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I used to be a Methodist but it felt more like a social club. I could communicate with nice people elsewhere. I was searching for a CHURCH that would help me to connect with God, not just people. Eventually I had to convert to Pravoslavie ("the Right Word", Eastern Orthodoxy)

What was so convincing about Eastern Orthodoxy vs. other Christian religions and sects? Its fruits, its Saints. A great number of sinful people achieved enlightenment, overcame their fallen nature, produced miracles...

Congratulations to you, Antonious!

I hope you will enjoy listening to this man. He is brilliant.

Why I Converted To Eastern Orthodoxy by Frank Schaeffer
http://youtu.be/9-CJhPlmznA


Thank you Fire-Bird2014. While I was baptized in the Methodist church as an infant, I was raised more or less in a secular manner. My father is agnostic, and my mother self-identifies as Christian but does not attend a church. I have studied philosophy and comparative religion for most of my life. It is only within the last few years that I have taken an interest in Orthodoxy. Today was the first time I ever went to an Orthodox parish. I was there for Divine Liturgy. It was quite beautiful! I plan on going back again, and also asking if they hold classes for inquirers such as myself.

I am familiar with Schaeffer. I watched some of his videos in the past. I like some of them, specifically when he is talking about his conversion to Orthodoxy. I dislike some of his other videos though, like the ones on politics and such. Thanks for sharing. I also read a lot. Right now I am reading "Orthodox Christianity" Volumes 1 and 2, written by Metropolitan Hilarion (Alfeyev). I have also read "The Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church" by Vladimir Lossky, and several other books on Orthodoxy, as well as Christian history and theology.
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You have the right attitude of humility and sincerity.  May God guide you and the prayers of St. Anthony be with you.  Smiley

Thanks again Antonious Nikolas. Peace to you, and God bless.
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i am glad u attended liturgy
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did you talk to anyone there?
remember the people there may be shy, so stay around after liturgy to give them chance to say hello.
in most churches, they love to invite everyone for a tea or coffee after the service, look for a church like this, so you can get to know people.
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i am glad u attended liturgy
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did you talk to anyone there?
remember the people there may be shy, so stay around after liturgy to give them chance to say hello.
in most churches, they love to invite everyone for a tea or coffee after the service, look for a church like this, so you can get to know people.
may God guide u and bless u

Thank you Mabsoota. You have been very kind to me in the past, and I am grateful for that. You know, it was me that was the shy one today. I stood in the back, and left shortly after Liturgy without hanging around to meet the other parishioners. Though I do plan on going back, and will go to coffee hour after service (I did hear from the priest that this is offered).  Grin
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don't worry, we are all shy sometimes.
but please go back, i go crazy with curiosity when someone visits church and then pops out before i get a chance to say hello!

but i don't want us (orthodox) to switch to having a door person either, i find it a bit intimidating when i visit a church and someone says 'hello' and shakes my hand right away before i've had a chance to look around for half a minute and get my bearings.

i think we should have one or two people hanging around at the back and noticing if someone can't find a seat easily and then helping him.
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« Reply #59 on: December 31, 2013, 03:03:33 AM »

This Sunday was my first liturgy also. I agree it was a beautiful service and I'm glad you thought so as well. I did stay for the coffee hour at my local parish afterwards and it was great. Everyone was very friendly and I was able to speak with the priest as well. I was shy and honestly very nervous going in but I felt much better by the time I left and everyone was so nice.

It would be intimidating to have a door person but when I slipped into the back at my parish I ended up standing next to a nice older lady that tugged me around and shooed me with her hand to sit, stand, etc and that was great. I felt better knowing I wasn't messing up and to have someone kind of "guide" me through the service. Very nice. I can't wait to go again. I also do a lot of reading but felt I'd reached a point that reading wasn't going to help me anymore until I "got a feel" for it. Now that I know I feel comfortable in the service I'm back to reading and hope to attend again soon. I hope you get a chance to go back again soon as well.
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« Reply #60 on: December 31, 2013, 09:23:46 AM »

I am happy you were open to assistance in the service, some people having a Yia Yia or a Baboushka is intimidating and they found them to be a little overwhelming. I always found their help
wonderful and their support helpful in getting me oriented to a new parish practices.
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« Reply #61 on: December 31, 2013, 02:15:57 PM »

Antonious, congratulations! Very happy for you. Just like in your case, it took me a while to come to Church. I did  a lot of reading on philosophy, mystic philosophy, studied Holy Fathers, read books about our Saints. One of the most convincing was the book by Surskiy I.K. Holy father Ioann of Kronstadt I felt personal connection, partially because my father comes from the same area of Russia, its mesmerizing Northern land. They have a very special way of speaking Russian (beautiful, soft, respectful, dignified....obviously I am a fan) This book is not translated into English yet. If it does, I will let this forum know! Very inspiring.

You might enjoy Alexei Ilyich Osipov. Search for Truth on the Path of Reason. He writes to thinkers about FAITH. I wish I could open my heart and fall into Faith but some people are not wired this way. I need to know what I believe. And why. Otherwise I am not  sincere and even the smallest doubts corrode true believes. As the Apostle Peter writes, You should be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear (1 Pet. 3:15).

If you scroll down this page http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/32715.htm, you will find three links to three chapters (for immediate reading online) I have a feeling, you will appreciate his line of thought.

(agreed on Schaeffer!)

Besides knowing, it is even more important to practice our Faith. I know, sounds like a cliche, but some of us do get carried away by intellectualizing vs practicing (lent, prayers, good deeds, humility)

I wish you the very best experiences of your lifetime!  And Happy New Year!
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« Reply #62 on: January 01, 2014, 06:10:20 PM »

This Sunday was my first liturgy also. I agree it was a beautiful service and I'm glad you thought so as well.

Crazyms, that is excellent. It is like we have a bond, having gone to our first Divine Liturgy on the same day.  Wink I am happy for you.

I did stay for the coffee hour at my local parish afterwards and it was great. Everyone was very friendly and I was able to speak with the priest as well. I was shy and honestly very nervous going in but I felt much better by the time I left and everyone was so nice.

That is great to hear.

It would be intimidating to have a door person but when I slipped into the back at my parish I ended up standing next to a nice older lady that tugged me around and shooed me with her hand to sit, stand, etc and that was great. I felt better knowing I wasn't messing up and to have someone kind of "guide" me through the service. Very nice. I can't wait to go again. I also do a lot of reading but felt I'd reached a point that reading wasn't going to help me anymore until I "got a feel" for it. Now that I know I feel comfortable in the service I'm back to reading and hope to attend again soon. I hope you get a chance to go back again soon as well.

The day I went to my local parish, I didn't notice any guides, per se. I just tried to follow what was being done in regards to making the sign of the cross, etc. That is not to say there aren't any guides there though. There might be. I'm not sure if this is typical in an Orthodox parish. Or perhaps others thought I was already familiar with what to do. I inquired of the priest via email about instructional classes, and he told me that they do offer those after coffee hour. I plan on returning again this Sunday for Liturgy, and then staying after for the coffee hour, and also the class. Same as you, I read a lot, but also came to the conclusion that to really "get it" I need to go regularly to a parish and immerse myself in the life, ritual, and teachings. Of course, this does not mean that I will stop reading about Orthodoxy, just that reading alone can only take us so far. We seem to have come to the same conclusions. Glory be to God.
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« Reply #63 on: January 01, 2014, 06:25:03 PM »

Antonious, congratulations! Very happy for you. Just like in your case, it took me a while to come to Church. I did  a lot of reading on philosophy, mystic philosophy, studied Holy Fathers, read books about our Saints. One of the most convincing was the book by Surskiy I.K. Holy father Ioann of Kronstadt I felt personal connection, partially because my father comes from the same area of Russia, its mesmerizing Northern land. They have a very special way of speaking Russian (beautiful, soft, respectful, dignified....obviously I am a fan) This book is not translated into English yet. If it does, I will let this forum know! Very inspiring.

Fire-Bird2014 , that sounds wonderful! Yes, if an English translation of Holy Father Ioann of Kronstadt becomes available please let us know. Once I finish reading Orthodox Christianity by Metropolitan Hilarion (Alfeyev) I plan on starting Saint Silouan the Athonite by Archimandrite Sophrony.

You might enjoy Alexei Ilyich Osipov. Search for Truth on the Path of Reason. He writes to thinkers about FAITH. I wish I could open my heart and fall into Faith but some people are not wired this way. I need to know what I believe. And why. Otherwise I am not  sincere and even the smallest doubts corrode true believes. As the Apostle Peter writes, You should be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear (1 Pet. 3:15).

If you scroll down this page http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/32715.htm, you will find three links to three chapters (for immediate reading online) I have a feeling, you will appreciate his line of thought.

Thank you so much for sharing this link! I will be looking at it soon. I appreciate that very much.

Besides knowing, it is even more important to practice our Faith. I know, sounds like a cliche, but some of us do get carried away by intellectualizing vs practicing (lent, prayers, good deeds, humility)

I totally agree!  Grin I do have a tendency towards intellectual study, and I don't think that is bad in itself, but yes, most definitely, we should be practicing our Faith, not just reading about it. I feel that visiting the local parish was a first step in really beginning that process for me.

I wish you the very best experiences of your lifetime!  And Happy New Year!

I wish the same for you! Happy New Year!
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