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Enthronement of Mor Philoxinos Mathias Nayis
« on: August 31, 2013, 04:56:43 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0-dhsYAvBw

This is a video of the enthronement of a Syriac Orthodox metropolitan.  For whatever reason, I can't "rewind" or "fast forward" without going back to 0:01, so I don't know how long it really is (just started watching it). 

Anyway, at 1:37, 2:30, and a few other points, you can see a cleric (bishop?  priest?) wearing a Greek style kalimavkion with some sort of hood, violet/gold/red vestments, etc.  Does anyone know who he is and what Church he's with? 
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Re: Enthronement of Mor Philoxinos Mathias Nayis
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2013, 05:45:24 PM »
He does look greek, but I have never seen a mantle, like the one he is wearing, before.
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Re: Enthronement of Mor Philoxinos Mathias Nayis
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2013, 05:11:59 AM »
Pere Samuel. He was Syriac Orthodox, later became Syriac Catholic. This may explain the Greek kamilavkion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Samuel

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Re: Enthronement of Mor Philoxinos Mathias Nayis
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2013, 11:48:01 AM »
Our tradition is so fascinating that besides OOs also ECs want to imitate us. :-*

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Re: Enthronement of Mor Philoxinos Mathias Nayis
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2013, 01:19:35 PM »
Yes...being this kind of Byzantine versus this other kind of Byzantine...fascinating. :P

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Re: Enthronement of Mor Philoxinos Mathias Nayis
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2013, 03:16:20 PM »
Is the Patriarch disabled or do they usually carry him like that?
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Re: Enthronement of Mor Philoxinos Mathias Nayis
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2013, 03:39:20 PM »
I don't think His Holiness is disabled, but being rather weak, he makes use of a wheelchair.  That said, it's not unheard of for Patriarchs to be carried aloft while seated in an episcopal chair.  Actually, it is customary for all bishops on certain occasions. 
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Re: Enthronement of Mor Philoxinos Mathias Nayis
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2013, 03:44:59 PM »
I don't think His Holiness is disabled, but being rather weak, he makes use of a wheelchair.  That said, it's not unheard of for Patriarchs to be carried aloft while seated in an episcopal chair.  Actually, it is customary for all bishops on certain occasions. 

Did Mor Philoxinos read the Gospel while seated and lifted up on his chair or did I get that wrong?

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Re: Enthronement of Mor Philoxinos Mathias Nayis
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2013, 03:54:09 PM »
Did Mor Philoxinos read the Gospel while seated and lifted up on his chair or did I get that wrong?

You are correct.  Bishops read the Gospel while held aloft in a chair at their enthronements, at their ordinations, and at the service of the Washing of Feet on Great and Holy Thursday.  There may be a few other occasions, but these are the ones I'm certain of.   
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Re: Enthronement of Mor Philoxinos Mathias Nayis
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2013, 03:55:37 PM »
Did Mor Philoxinos read the Gospel while seated and lifted up on his chair or did I get that wrong?

You are correct.  Bishops read the Gospel while held aloft in a chair at their enthronements, at their ordinations, and at the service of the Washing of Feet on Great and Holy Thursday.  There may be a few other occasions, but these are the ones I'm certain of.   

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Re: Enthronement of Mor Philoxinos Mathias Nayis
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2013, 04:20:52 PM »
Pere Samuel. He was Syriac Orthodox, later became Syriac Catholic. This may explain the Greek kamilavkion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Samuel

http://www.youtube.com/user/soldatduchrist/videos

Thanks! 

Judging from the Wikipedia article, Fr Samuel doesn't seem like an uncontroversial character (never mind that he went from Orthodox to Catholic).  What's the nature of his relationship with the Syrian Orthodox that he vests as a concelebrant for Orthodox liturgies without any issue?  Other Catholics appear without vestments, but not him?   
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Re: Enthronement of Mor Philoxinos Mathias Nayis
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2013, 04:35:54 PM »
Pere Samuel. He was Syriac Orthodox, later became Syriac Catholic. This may explain the Greek kamilavkion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Samuel

http://www.youtube.com/user/soldatduchrist/videos

Thanks! 

Judging from the Wikipedia article, Fr Samuel doesn't seem like an uncontroversial character (never mind that he went from Orthodox to Catholic).  What's the nature of his relationship with the Syrian Orthodox that he vests as a concelebrant for Orthodox liturgies without any issue?  Other Catholics appear without vestments, but not him?   


From what I've seen on his website, his statements on islam are criticized, and the wikipedia page says that he disagrees with the Novus Ordo Mass and with his bishop in Belgium (that was 1990 though).