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"Hellbound" Documentary
« on: September 17, 2013, 06:37:12 AM »
I just watched this excellent documentary and found it to be very thought provoking. A very fair, balanced, and well produced examination of the doctrines of hell and universalism. Obviously, there are a lot of unorthodox ideas expressed, but there are also some very Orthodox opinions covered as well. I certainly would have preferred better Orthodox representatives than Frank Schaeffer and Abp Lazar Puhalo, but I must say that I thought the views they expressed about this subject in this documentary were very Orthodox and quite enlightening. I thought this film warranted its own thread of discussion. Judging from the first five minutes, I thought this was going to be merely another liberal hit piece on traditional Christianity. But it turned out to be a very in depth and objective examination of an issue that is older than Christianity itself. Well worth watching.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY1wdQS2Iig

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http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Hellbound/70251687?trkid=13462050


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Re: "Hellbound" Documentary
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2013, 03:43:17 AM »
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Re: "Hellbound" Documentary
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2013, 11:38:19 AM »
I used to look for films like this but now, im begining to hate fillms like this.
Just another film/persons trying to "figure" out what God is/does. Or explaing the unexplainable.

When are we going to realize we are not able to comprehend what God is or what and why god does and for what reasons.

its not about intelect, brains, smart argumens...its about FAITH in God and accepting that we are mer peons unable to even come close to knowing his will.

I hope this saves people lots of time pondering the unknowable.
i be more benificial to say a few prayers and through grace to get a glimps of the mind of God.

and these people in the film make me want to puke. everyone trying to point out the others flaws!?!?


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Re: "Hellbound" Documentary
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2013, 12:34:44 PM »
I read some time ago that one pastor from "Hellbound?" who got fired because he was openly denying hell as protestants see it got into some "evangelical" sex addiction rehab and is "repenting" all over the internet from his "sin of denying" hell.
Brainwashed back into stiff protestant dogmas, or just out of money with no skills to live outside church and family to feed?


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Just another film/persons trying to "figure" out what God is/does. Or explaing the unexplainable.

I kinda agree when it comes to details, but without this "figuring out", every christian would believe in something different than others :D

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Re: "Hellbound" Documentary
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2013, 10:06:28 PM »
Although I by no means agree with everything in the film, I found it refreshingly objective. I also liked the in depth analysis of scripture from different points of view. Nikolaostheservant: I agree that ultimately these things are mysteries beyond our capacity to fully understand with the rational mind. However, I think it is important to wrestle to understand Orthodox truth to the best of our ability. If seeking to understand theology and doctrine is an unorthodox endeavor, then this forum should not exist. And in spite of all the unorthodox views expressed on this forum, it has nevertheless helped many of us come to a better understanding of Orthodox doctrines, Teachings and Traditions.


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Re: "Hellbound" Documentary
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2013, 10:18:52 PM »
It was okay. It had a "former Pastor" who was clearly biblically illiterate. It had my favorite RC Philosopher Peter Kreeft and it had Frank Shaeffer, Lazar Puhalo and a few other good Orthodox representatives.

The Evangelical/Westboro view of hell really didn't make the movie appealing though. And some of the movie sounded like a Protestant "revival" or "Charismatic" service... which was quite weird.
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Re: "Hellbound" Documentary
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2013, 11:22:12 PM »
It was okay. It had a "former Pastor" who was clearly biblically illiterate. It had my favorite RC Philosopher Peter Kreeft and it had Frank Shaeffer, Lazar Puhalo and a few other good Orthodox representatives.

The Evangelical/Westboro view of hell really didn't make the movie appealing though. And some of the movie sounded like a Protestant "revival" or "Charismatic" service... which was quite weird.

You consider an Obama fanboy and an "archbishop" who favors Same Sex "marriage" to be good Orthodox representation?
You ignored my correction to GMK's post and kept insulting a hierarch of the Church. And tried to start a political debate. Moreover, as an apostate, you are not allowed in this section (among others) to argue what is accordingly to you "orthodox" and what is not.

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Re: "Hellbound" Documentary
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2013, 11:33:49 PM »
It was okay. It had a "former Pastor" who was clearly biblically illiterate. It had my favorite RC Philosopher Peter Kreeft and it had Frank Shaeffer, Lazar Puhalo and a few other good Orthodox representatives.

The Evangelical/Westboro view of hell really didn't make the movie appealing though. And some of the movie sounded like a Protestant "revival" or "Charismatic" service... which was quite weird.

You consider an Obama fanboy and an "archbishop" who favors Same Sex "marriage" to be good Orthodox representation?

I didn't like those two "Orthodox" representatives either. However, I think their opinions on this particular topic were pretty sound. Schaeffer obviously goes way too far in diminishing the Bible like he did, but his other thoughts in this documentary were right on target in my opinion.


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Re: "Hellbound" Documentary
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2013, 10:03:09 AM »
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and an "archbishop" who favors Same Sex "marriage" to be good Orthodox representation?


Either you don't know what "favored" means, or didn't pay attention to what archbishop said. Affirming constitutional rights, but saying "I would rather go to jail than allow same sex marriage desecrate the church" doesn't sound like favoring, or does it for you?
I shouldn't even ask, I know sedevacantist sect mindset too well  ::)


I think Abp Lazar Puhalo has far better results in evangelizing and inviting people step by step to the Orthodoxy with his attitude of "You can do what you want, you have civil rights, but being Orthodox you should know there is no marriage between same sex and you should live in abstinence" than others who like to judge and school people on every step, which ultimately push people away from the church.
According to some people"real Orthodoxy" is judgmental, soulless concept which cares only for institution, not people. Their Jesus would be like "Hey! you wh*re! stop sinning in this instant or I'm gonna stone you myself minutes after I excommunicate and condemn you, so my people wouldn't look at me like on a heretic!", instead of biblical Jesus who goes to eat with sinners and teach them AFTER he got their trust... Is it really so obsolete today? Were desert Fathers so terribly wrong?

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Re: "Hellbound" Documentary
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2013, 12:25:14 PM »
I just dont think Orthodoxy needs to be evaluated to the degree it is.
This is a mostly convert issue, back in the day you were told what orthodoxy is and you then went from there, either beliving or not.
No one would try to justifie to you HOW the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of christ. and then troiuble shoot how it could possibly happen....
I realise the majority of us on this forum are converts and thats why i have stopped arguing diff points. but some things get to me :)

You/We belive caus of FAITH not because its the most logical religion out there. we are not Vulcans !

better to let you all realise things for yourself.
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Re: "Hellbound" Documentary
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2013, 01:23:49 PM »
Following posters discussing legalizing homosexual marriages receive 30 days of moderation straight. Go to Politics. There are plenty of threads where you can do it.

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Re: "Hellbound" Documentary
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2013, 11:37:59 AM »
It was okay. It had a "former Pastor" who was clearly biblically illiterate. It had my favorite RC Philosopher Peter Kreeft and it had Frank Shaeffer, Lazar Puhalo and a few other good Orthodox representatives.

The Evangelical/Westboro view of hell really didn't make the movie appealing though. And some of the movie sounded like a Protestant "revival" or "Charismatic" service... which was quite weird.

You consider an Obama fanboy and an "archbishop" who favors Same Sex "marriage" to be good Orthodox representation?
You ignored my correction to GMK's post and kept insulting a hierarch of the Church. And tried to start a political debate. Moreover, as an apostate, you are not allowed in this section (among others) to argue what is accordingly to you "orthodox" and what is not.

30 days of warning - MK.

I asked a question whether the poster felt that those individuals were good representations of Orthodoxy. I made no such statements regarding my own ideas of what is or is not "Orthodox."

You're really nothing more then a troll anyway, MK. How someone who contributes so little and offers nothing but snark became a "moderator" is beyond me.

Stuff your 30 days of warning and ban me already.
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