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How different is biblical (Koine) Greek from modern Greek?
« on: August 29, 2013, 11:21:14 AM »
Can a person who speaks modern Greek read the Bible in Koine Greek?  Also, if I wanted to learn biblical Greek (assuming it's different than modern Greek) where would I start?
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Re: How different is biblical (Koine) Greek from modern Greek?
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2013, 11:51:18 AM »
It's understandable.There are words that have fallen out of usage, of course, and need a study note to understand. Up to the mid-70s, before katharevousa was abandoned, the gap was even smaller.

You can find a NT with brief explanation in katharevousa here. (For decades, that was the only authorised edition. I've been reading mine since I was 8 or 9.)
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Re: How different is biblical (Koine) Greek from modern Greek?
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2013, 12:03:23 PM »
You can find a NT with brief explanation in katharevousa here. (For decades, that was the only authorised edition. I've been reading mine since I was 8 or 9.)

It seems to be more of a paraphrase than an actual translation.
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Re: How different is biblical (Koine) Greek from modern Greek?
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2013, 12:04:46 PM »
Vocabulary and Grammar.

I can read Koine, but I still need work. With my knowledge of Koine, I could read a few paragraphs in modern Greek.

It's mainly the many grammatical forms that Koine uses that makes it so different. Modern Greek uses much more simple grammar.

Here's a few resources:

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http://www.greekbible.com/ Lexicon with Greek New Testament
http://www.katabiblon.com/ Interlinear Septuagint and Greek New Testament
http://www.blueletterbible.org/ Strong's Concordance numbered with New Testament translation, Septuagint with Hebrew Masoretic
http://elpenor.com Greek Library including Septuagint, New Testament, Church Fathers and Greek Philosophers
http://www.lexilogos.com/english/index.htm Dictionaries, Lexicons, Grammars and Books on various languages including Koine
http://greek-language.com/ Website dedicated to study of Classics and Ancient Greek
http://graeca.patristica.net/ Volumes of the Greek Fathers
http://analogion.gr/glt/ Koine Greek Liturgical Resources
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/lake/fathers2.toc.html Apostolic Fathers in Koine
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Re: How different is biblical (Koine) Greek from modern Greek?
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2013, 12:05:09 PM »
You can find a NT with brief explanation in katharevousa here. (For decades, that was the only authorised edition. I've been reading mine since I was 8 or 9.)

It seems to be more of a paraphrase than an actual translation.

It is. With a linguistic gap as small, all it needs really is some expanding on cultural context.
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Re: How different is biblical (Koine) Greek from modern Greek?
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2013, 12:10:09 PM »
It always annoys me to see that people specifically learn Koine Greek.

You can find a NT with brief explanation in katharevousa here. (For decades, that was the only authorised edition. I've been reading mine since I was 8 or 9.)

It seems to be more of a paraphrase than an actual translation.

It is. With a linguistic gap as small, all it needs really is some expanding on cultural context.

Fair enough  :)
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Re: How different is biblical (Koine) Greek from modern Greek?
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2013, 12:23:56 PM »
It always annoys me to see that people specifically learn Koine Greek.

You can find a NT with brief explanation in katharevousa here. (For decades, that was the only authorised edition. I've been reading mine since I was 8 or 9.)

It seems to be more of a paraphrase than an actual translation.

It is. With a linguistic gap as small, all it needs really is some expanding on cultural context.

Fair enough  :)
It is interesting that it has the approval of the whole Greek Church, with its credentials from Constantinople, Alexandria, Jerusalem, Cyprus and the GoC.
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Re: How different is biblical (Koine) Greek from modern Greek?
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2013, 12:34:55 PM »
It always annoys me to see that people specifically learn Koine Greek.

You can find a NT with brief explanation in katharevousa here. (For decades, that was the only authorised edition. I've been reading mine since I was 8 or 9.)

It seems to be more of a paraphrase than an actual translation.

It is. With a linguistic gap as small, all it needs really is some expanding on cultural context.

Fair enough  :)
It is interesting that it has the approval of the whole Greek Church, with its credentials from Constantinople, Alexandria, Jerusalem, Cyprus and the GoC.

It's even signed by the former president of Cyprus.
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Re: How different is biblical (Koine) Greek from modern Greek?
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2013, 12:40:44 PM »
The only thing I know about Greek is to use the Zondervan Biblical Greek chart.

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Re: How different is biblical (Koine) Greek from modern Greek?
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2013, 12:42:00 PM »
Can a person who speaks modern Greek read the Bible in Koine Greek?  Also, if I wanted to learn biblical Greek (assuming it's different than modern Greek) where would I start?

You want to borrow a Biblical Greek language chart?...

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Re: How different is biblical (Koine) Greek from modern Greek?
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2013, 11:32:30 AM »
Thanks everyone!

WPM, thank you, but I think I'll try the sources provided first.  :)
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Re: How different is biblical (Koine) Greek from modern Greek?
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2013, 01:44:49 AM »
it's difficult
we don't use many words, the grammar is different
If you don't know what it says you probably will understand the text different in many parts
80% of Greeks don't understand what they listen in church :P
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Re: How different is biblical (Koine) Greek from modern Greek?
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2013, 01:49:17 AM »

You can find a NT with brief explanation in katharevousa here. (For decades, that was the only authorised edition. I've been reading mine since I was 8 or 9.)

It's not translation, It's explanation from Trempelas (well known for his work)