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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #90 on: August 28, 2013, 10:51:23 AM »
Yes I have a job working with my dad part-time.

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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #91 on: August 28, 2013, 11:19:55 AM »
Yes I have a job working with my dad part-time.

Surprisingly, this IS a serious post  :o.

So...you live at home, you have your own bank account, you have a part-time job with Dad, you have enough $$ to pay your bills, you have "something" worked out with your parents.  What kind of advice, precisely, are you looking for?  Do you want greater control over your own money?  Do you want more money?  Do you just want some kind of intellectual/theoretical discussion on how to create a utopian society?  Have I missed something?  Help us out here, a little bit, WPM.  It's been kinda like pulling teeth to try to get a handle on what your asking for in this thread.
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #92 on: August 28, 2013, 11:43:18 AM »
Yes I have a job working with my dad part-time.

Surprisingly, this IS a serious post  :o.

So...you live at home, you have your own bank account, you have a part-time job with Dad, you have enough $$ to pay your bills, you have "something" worked out with your parents.  What kind of advice, precisely, are you looking for?  Do you want greater control over your own money?  Do you want more money?  Do you just want some kind of intellectual/theoretical discussion on how to create a utopian society?  Have I missed something?  Help us out here, a little bit, WPM.  It's been kinda like pulling teeth to try to get a handle on what your asking for in this thread.

I guess I'm counting on ingenuity and the history channel  ;) to create a working economy.

You could purport the answers to your questions with religion and science.  

I am asking for someone with ingenuity for advice on how to implement the local economy so people have more money. Why is that necessarily utopian?

It sounds like working with a genius plan to make our lives easier.
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #93 on: August 28, 2013, 11:52:59 AM »
I am asking for someone with ingenuity for advice on how to implement the local economy so people have more money.

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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #94 on: August 28, 2013, 11:54:55 AM »
I am asking for someone with ingenuity for advice on how to implement the local economy so people have more money.

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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #95 on: August 28, 2013, 11:58:46 AM »
Yes I have a job working with my dad part-time.

Surprisingly, this IS a serious post  :o.

So...you live at home, you have your own bank account, you have a part-time job with Dad, you have enough $$ to pay your bills, you have "something" worked out with your parents.  What kind of advice, precisely, are you looking for?  Do you want greater control over your own money?  Do you want more money?  Do you just want some kind of intellectual/theoretical discussion on how to create a utopian society?  Have I missed something?  Help us out here, a little bit, WPM.  It's been kinda like pulling teeth to try to get a handle on what your asking for in this thread.

I guess I'm counting on ingenuity and the history channel  ;) to create a working economy.

You could purport the answers to your questions with religion and science.  

I am asking for someone with ingenuity for advice on how to implement the local economy so people have more money. Why is that necessarily utopian?

It sounds like working with a genius plan to make our lives easier.

We already have a "working economy."  It ain't workin' great but it's workin'.  Sometimes it works better than at other times.

I don't know what you mean by "You could purport the answers to your questions with religion and science."

It is not necessarily utopian to want people to have more money.  In our society people get more money by means already mentioned in this thread--work more, get a "better" job", rob a bank, etc., etc., etc.

What is "a genius plan to make our lives easier"??  (Who said our lives were supposed to be easy or even easier?  Not that I'm necessarily opposed to that, mind you...).

If you're going to depend upon The History Channel, well......let's just say that's probably not the best of ideas.
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #96 on: August 28, 2013, 12:01:12 PM »
Yes I have a job working with my dad part-time.

Does your dad pay you or do you both work in the same business?  Can you get another job?  That can help you out more.
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #97 on: August 28, 2013, 12:04:45 PM »
I would like to think to create an economy where everybody has cash and there is no poverty.

This is utopian.  To have a "genius" plan, you need to work at it, not watch History Channel.  Every person in history that is considered a genius, worked really, really hard for a particular goal.  Your vague goal of everyone having money isn't realistic and not specific enough.  It's like making a product that no one needs;  there's no end goal here.
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #98 on: August 28, 2013, 12:40:27 PM »
I would like to think to create an economy where everybody has cash and there is no poverty.

This is utopian.  To have a "genius" plan, you need to work at it, not watch History Channel.  Every person in history that is considered a genius, worked really, really hard for a particular goal.  Your vague goal of everyone having money isn't realistic and not specific enough.  It's like making a product that no one needs;  there's no end goal here.

People don't need an X-box yet Microsoft made millions by providing the console to the Gamer's market.

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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #99 on: August 28, 2013, 12:49:43 PM »
Yes I have a job working with my dad part-time.

Does your dad pay you or do you both work in the same business?  Can you get another job?  That can help you out more.

I get $1000 dollars a month.

If I found another job it would be with Microsoft Software and the Internet.
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #100 on: August 28, 2013, 12:50:44 PM »
I would like to think to create an economy where everybody has cash and there is no poverty.

This is utopian.  To have a "genius" plan, you need to work at it, not watch History Channel.  Every person in history that is considered a genius, worked really, really hard for a particular goal.  Your vague goal of everyone having money isn't realistic and not specific enough.  It's like making a product that no one needs;  there's no end goal here.

People don't need an X-box yet Microsoft made millions by providing the console to the Gamer's market.

Tell gamers they don't need an Xbox or any console.  I can expand that:  products that people don't need/want or not willing to pay for.  That's not really the point.  What is a specific goal you are shooting for that involves you and only you?
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #101 on: August 28, 2013, 12:52:16 PM »
Yes I have a job working with my dad part-time.

Does your dad pay you or do you both work in the same business?  Can you get another job?  That can help you out more.

I get $1000 dollars a month.

If I found another job it would be with Microsoft Software and the Internet.
1000/month ain't too bad.  What are you doing to try to get a job with Microsoft?  Getting a job with the "internet" is too vague. 
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #102 on: August 28, 2013, 12:55:11 PM »
Yes I have a job working with my dad part-time.

Surprisingly, this IS a serious post  :o.

So...you live at home, you have your own bank account, you have a part-time job with Dad, you have enough $$ to pay your bills, you have "something" worked out with your parents.  What kind of advice, precisely, are you looking for?  Do you want greater control over your own money?  Do you want more money?  Do you just want some kind of intellectual/theoretical discussion on how to create a utopian society?  Have I missed something?  Help us out here, a little bit, WPM.  It's been kinda like pulling teeth to try to get a handle on what your asking for in this thread.

I guess I'm counting on ingenuity and the history channel  ;) to create a working economy.

You could purport the answers to your questions with religion and science.  

I am asking for someone with ingenuity for advice on how to implement the local economy so people have more money. Why is that necessarily utopian?

It sounds like working with a genius plan to make our lives easier.

In short:

More money passing through more hands.  More minds independently thinking and sharing gained experience and hammering out new ideas.  Open-source, yo.  The gray market is going to be the next big thing.  Government overregulation and the accumulation of capital in few actors has caused massive stagnation.  The gray market is not illegal, but it is also unregulated.  Craigslist, word of mouth, and good old supply and demand are the tools of the gray market.  Barter is it's currency.
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #103 on: August 28, 2013, 01:09:05 PM »
I would like to think to create an economy where everybody has cash and there is no poverty.

This is utopian.  To have a "genius" plan, you need to work at it, not watch History Channel.  Every person in history that is considered a genius, worked really, really hard for a particular goal.  Your vague goal of everyone having money isn't realistic and not specific enough.  It's like making a product that no one needs;  there's no end goal here.

People don't need an X-box yet Microsoft made millions by providing the console to the Gamer's market.

Tell gamers they don't need an Xbox or any console.  I can expand that:  products that people don't need/want or not willing to pay for.  That's not really the point.  What is a specific goal you are shooting for that involves you and only you?

I think the goal is to be efficient and productive with my time and effort.

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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #104 on: August 28, 2013, 01:19:46 PM »
I would like to think to create an economy where everybody has cash and there is no poverty.

This is utopian.  To have a "genius" plan, you need to work at it, not watch History Channel.  Every person in history that is considered a genius, worked really, really hard for a particular goal.  Your vague goal of everyone having money isn't realistic and not specific enough.  It's like making a product that no one needs;  there's no end goal here.

People don't need an X-box yet Microsoft made millions by providing the console to the Gamer's market.

Tell gamers they don't need an Xbox or any console.  I can expand that:  products that people don't need/want or not willing to pay for.  That's not really the point.  What is a specific goal you are shooting for that involves you and only you?

I think the goal is to be efficient and productive with my time and effort.

That doesn't necessarily involve money or an economy.  It DOES depend almost solely on YOU.
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #105 on: August 28, 2013, 01:24:36 PM »
I would like to think to create an economy where everybody has cash and there is no poverty.

This is utopian.  To have a "genius" plan, you need to work at it, not watch History Channel.  Every person in history that is considered a genius, worked really, really hard for a particular goal.  Your vague goal of everyone having money isn't realistic and not specific enough.  It's like making a product that no one needs;  there's no end goal here.

People don't need an X-box yet Microsoft made millions by providing the console to the Gamer's market.

Tell gamers they don't need an Xbox or any console.  I can expand that:  products that people don't need/want or not willing to pay for.  That's not really the point.  What is a specific goal you are shooting for that involves you and only you?

I think the goal is to be efficient and productive with my time and effort.

So the issue at its core is that you are not efficient or productive with your time or effort?
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #106 on: August 28, 2013, 02:03:52 PM »
Unless you win the lottery, there's really no substitute for hard work and lots of it. As I said before, it's really very simple. Get a job (which generally involves preparation, education, effort, etc.) or produce/provide a product or service that people are willing to pay you to produce/provide (this also involves preparation, planning, education, effort, and saving money, if you're going to need raw materials or equipment).
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #107 on: August 28, 2013, 02:09:33 PM »
Unless you win the lottery, there's really no substitute for hard work and lots of it. As I said before, it's really very simple. Get a job (which generally involves preparation, education, effort, etc.) or produce/provide a product or service that people are willing to pay you to produce/provide (this also involves preparation, planning, education, effort, and saving money, if you're going to need raw materials or equipment).
Stop making sense.
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #108 on: August 28, 2013, 02:19:50 PM »
Unless you win the lottery, there's really no substitute for hard work and lots of it. As I said before, it's really very simple. Get a job (which generally involves preparation, education, effort, etc.) or produce/provide a product or service that people are willing to pay you to produce/provide (this also involves preparation, planning, education, effort, and saving money, if you're going to need raw materials or equipment).
Stop making sense.
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #109 on: August 28, 2013, 02:21:33 PM »
Unless you win the lottery, there's really no substitute for hard work and lots of it. As I said before, it's really very simple. Get a job (which generally involves preparation, education, effort, etc.) or produce/provide a product or service that people are willing to pay you to produce/provide (this also involves preparation, planning, education, effort, and saving money, if you're going to need raw materials or equipment).

Well....actually....there is.  Discussing it here would get this moved to "Politics", however.  Do your REALLY want that??
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #110 on: August 28, 2013, 02:23:24 PM »
Tell gamers they don't need an Xbox or any console.

They don't. PC gaming all the way.
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #111 on: August 28, 2013, 02:51:14 PM »
Unless you win the lottery, there's really no substitute for hard work and lots of it. As I said before, it's really very simple. Get a job (which generally involves preparation, education, effort, etc.) or produce/provide a product or service that people are willing to pay you to produce/provide (this also involves preparation, planning, education, effort, and saving money, if you're going to need raw materials or equipment).
Stop making sense.
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #112 on: August 28, 2013, 02:54:35 PM »
In short:

More money passing through more hands.  More minds independently thinking and sharing gained experience and hammering out new ideas.  Open-source, yo.  The gray market is going to be the next big thing.  Government overregulation and the accumulation of capital in few actors has caused massive stagnation.  The gray market is not illegal, but it is also unregulated.  Craigslist, word of mouth, and good old supply and demand are the tools of the gray market.  Barter is it's currency.
Locally, the gray market is huge.

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« Reply #113 on: August 28, 2013, 02:59:02 PM »
Tell gamers they don't need an Xbox or any console.

They don't. PC gaming all the way.

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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #114 on: August 28, 2013, 03:32:44 PM »
Unless you win the lottery, there's really no substitute for hard work and lots of it. As I said before, it's really very simple. Get a job (which generally involves preparation, education, effort, etc.) or produce/provide a product or service that people are willing to pay you to produce/provide (this also involves preparation, planning, education, effort, and saving money, if you're going to need raw materials or equipment).
Stop making sense.
The making sense thread is elsewhere.
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I was hoping you would know where it is........NOW whatta we do?
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #115 on: August 28, 2013, 03:59:06 PM »
Unless you win the lottery, there's really no substitute for hard work and lots of it. As I said before, it's really very simple. Get a job (which generally involves preparation, education, effort, etc.) or produce/provide a product or service that people are willing to pay you to produce/provide (this also involves preparation, planning, education, effort, and saving money, if you're going to need raw materials or equipment).
Stop making sense.

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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #116 on: August 29, 2013, 06:21:14 AM »
Unless you win the lottery, there's really no substitute for hard work and lots of it. As I said before, it's really very simple. Get a job (which generally involves preparation, education, effort, etc.) or produce/provide a product or service that people are willing to pay you to produce/provide (this also involves preparation, planning, education, effort, and saving money, if you're going to need raw materials or equipment).
Stop making sense.
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I was hoping you would know where it is........NOW whatta we do?

Well, katherinofdixie has promised not to make sense anymore, so we probably should just wander aimlessly 'til we get there.  No guarantees, but it did work for the Israelites.
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #117 on: August 29, 2013, 09:43:08 AM »
Unless you win the lottery, there's really no substitute for hard work and lots of it. As I said before, it's really very simple. Get a job (which generally involves preparation, education, effort, etc.) or produce/provide a product or service that people are willing to pay you to produce/provide (this also involves preparation, planning, education, effort, and saving money, if you're going to need raw materials or equipment).
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I was hoping you would know where it is........NOW whatta we do?

Well, katherinofdixie has promised not to make sense anymore, so we probably should just wander aimlessly 'til we get there.  No guarantees, but it did work for the Israelites.

Sounds good to me!
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #118 on: November 27, 2013, 04:52:35 PM »
So ... how would you go about building that sort of economy?... By providing jobs? ..
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #120 on: November 30, 2013, 04:16:42 AM »
Hello.

To build a civilized local economy, you need these things.

1. A church (hehehe)
2. A farm
3. A bakery
4. Houses
5. Water
6. Sewage (not necessary)
... and other things

But the important thing, is to keep all things in commune. Then, the entire community will work at highest efficiency possible! Hey bill, I need a hammer! Ok Bob, here is my hammer! Hey I need a hammer too! Ok lets get another hammer together!

And also, eat together in one big table, the whole local people. It will be like thanksgiving dinner every day

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Re: Looking for Experience & Advice on how to build a local Economy
« Reply #121 on: December 01, 2013, 01:36:43 PM »
So, kinda just be Amish?
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