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« on: August 24, 2013, 06:27:37 PM »

Sincerely, hello

Do any of you here at OC.net have any knowledge on how to build a local economy?...
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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2013, 06:28:45 PM »

Define 'local economy'?
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2013, 06:31:10 PM »

Well,

Your locality, the vicinity or area frequented daily

Could be a monastic community for example
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2013, 06:31:44 PM »

Do you have absolute control over your area?
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2013, 06:36:43 PM »

Do you have absolute control over your area?

No, its not like that - its generally shared by other townsfolk in Granbury, TX
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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2013, 06:42:10 PM »

Do you have absolute control over your area?

LOL. 
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2013, 06:51:27 PM »

Define 'local economy'?

Here are 2 examples: ~

1 example is the money distribution model, where money is distributed to people in the area to buy stuff. ie (Food and Gas and Bill payments)

The other example is agrarian, where people work at farming produce and livestock. (The local village)
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2013, 06:53:46 PM »

Well, unless you are town mayor or something, the only economy you can affect is the balance of your own pocketbook.
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2013, 07:02:45 PM »

Well, unless you are town mayor or something, the only economy you can affect is the balance of your own pocketbook.


 Roll Eyes You probably don't have any idea of what I'm talking about.
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2013, 07:07:28 PM »

Well, unless you are town mayor or something, the only economy you can affect is the balance of your own pocketbook.


 Roll Eyes You probably don't have any idea of what I'm talking about.

No, probably not. I'm still trying to understand what you are trying to achieve.
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2013, 07:11:36 PM »

The means

The means to achieve something to an end

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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2013, 07:18:02 PM »

Maybe use lots of words?
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2013, 07:40:31 PM »

Did you want to open a business? I think you can get loans to do that. Or, you can look into a local civic society and see if they know how to do that. Try the Chamber of Commerce, maybe.
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2013, 08:37:52 PM »

There's a saying: money makes the [local economy] go 'round. The big question is: do you allow Walmart to gain a foothold? It's either a foundation slab to build the economic health of a community upon, or the devil incarnate that destroys local business. Choose this day whom you will serve.
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2013, 10:57:18 PM »

It is very easy.  Inject money into it.  Now that I have given you the answer, you simple need to go find the money.  Problem solved.
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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2013, 10:58:42 PM »

It is very easy.  Inject money into it.  Now that I have given you the answer, you simple need to go find the money.  Problem solved.

Some people don't know how to find the money though. You wouldn't believe how many people in the world have never visited a money tree farm, let alone planted one themselves.
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2013, 11:01:13 PM »

It is very easy.  Inject money into it.  Now that I have given you the answer, you simple need to go find the money.  Problem solved.

Some people don't know how to find the money though. You wouldn't believe how many people in the world have never visited a money tree farm, let alone planted one themselves.
I find knocking over banks to be a quick, easy solution and you don't even need to plant the seeds for money trees.  Those seeds can be so temperamental, especially in the Texas climate.
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2013, 11:53:51 PM »

Maybe your answer to this question, WPM, might help give us some insight on what you're trying to accomplish with this thread: What was your purpose for starting this thread on the Orthodox-Protestant Discussion board?
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« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2013, 11:37:47 AM »

Maybe your answer to this question, WPM, might help give us some insight on what you're trying to accomplish with this thread: What was your purpose for starting this thread on the Orthodox-Protestant Discussion board?

You're asking for the explanation of an explanation or for the reason of a reason.
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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2013, 12:10:21 PM »

The actual mechanics of economy-building seems like a lot of work.
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« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2013, 12:12:13 PM »

Did you want to open a business? I think you can get loans to do that. Or, you can look into a local civic society and see if they know how to do that. Try the Chamber of Commerce, maybe.

Thanks  Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2013, 10:52:50 AM »

Build a business (product or service) and hire local people.  Spend your profits as locally as possible.
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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2013, 12:01:22 PM »

Build a business (product or service) and hire local people.  Spend your profits as locally as possible.

This takes money.  We're back to money.  Now, do you want to use your own money or other people's money?  If the latter, TheTri had a very good suggestion.  If the former, well, uh, hmmm......get a job and save it up.  Or something.
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« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2013, 12:12:54 PM »

Sincerely, hello

Do any of you here at OC.net have any knowledge on how to build a local economy?...

Find something to provide or make that people want to have and will pay to have it. Then do provide or make it.
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Build a business (product or service) and hire local people.  Spend your profits as locally as possible.

This takes money.  We're back to money.  Now, do you want to use your own money or other people's money?  If the latter, TheTri had a very good suggestion.  If the former, well, uh, hmmm......get a job and save it up.  Or something.
Or something  J Michael will disagree with me, but a kimchi making business in your neck of the woods could be wildly popular.  You may have to encourage many Koreans to come to your town for this to work.  But then they will run you out of business.  Oh well, never mind.  I guess go to the local gas station and buy a candy bar can help that guy's business, thus aiding the local economy.
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« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2013, 12:35:54 PM »

Sincerely, hello

Do any of you here at OC.net have any knowledge on how to build a local economy?...

Do you want to plant a colony or something?
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« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2013, 12:39:32 PM »

Sincerely, hello

Do any of you here at OC.net have any knowledge on how to build a local economy?...

Do you want to plant a colony or something?

Or something  Open a Dutch brewery.  You know, brewing Dutch people, er...I mean beer.

Planting a colony takes rich (read, expensive) soil.  Besides, it would make him an evil colonialist.
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Sincerely, hello

Do any of you here at OC.net have any knowledge on how to build a local economy?...

Do you want to plant a colony or something?

Or something  Open a Dutch brewery.  You know, brewing Dutch people, er...I mean beer.

Planting a colony takes rich (read, expensive) soil.  Besides, it would make him an evil colonialist.

Yeah, look at what happened to New Amsterdam.  Sheesh.  A brewery is a much better idea.
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« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2013, 01:11:25 PM »

Sincerely, hello

Do any of you here at OC.net have any knowledge on how to build a local economy?...

Do you want to plant a colony or something?

Or something  Open a Dutch brewery.  You know, brewing Dutch people, er...I mean beer.

Planting a colony takes rich (read, expensive) soil.  Besides, it would make him an evil colonialist.

Yeah, look at what happened to New Amsterdam.  Sheesh.  A brewery is a much better idea.

We should never have traded New Amsterdam for Suriname.
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« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2013, 01:18:22 PM »

An economy is an organic system.  At its most basic, you need to supply a product that there is a demand for.  Maybe even several.
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« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2013, 01:25:29 PM »

An economy is an organic system.  At its most basic, you need to supply a product that there is a demand for.  Maybe even several.

Yes, organic is certainly preferable.  Don't want to support the Demon Monsanto.

Everybody needs toilet paper.  Or, a reasonable facsimile thereof.  Organic is preferable.
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An economy is an organic system.  At its most basic, you need to supply a product that there is a demand for.  Maybe even several.

Yes, organic is certainly preferable.  Don't want to support the Demon Monsanto.

Everybody needs toilet paper.  Or, a reasonable facsimile thereof.  Organic is preferable.

Corncobs suffice.  Even Monsanto corncobs will do the trick.  Pshhh, toilet paper.  What are you?  Some type of uppity modern man?  {Insert sneering smiley face}
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An economy is an organic system.  At its most basic, you need to supply a product that there is a demand for.  Maybe even several.

Yes, organic is certainly preferable.  Don't want to support the Demon Monsanto.

Everybody needs toilet paper.  Or, a reasonable facsimile thereof.  Organic is preferable.

Corncobs suffice.  Even Monsanto corncobs will do the trick.  Pshhh, toilet paper.  What are you?  Some type of uppity modern man?  {Insert sneering smiley face}

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An economy is an organic system.  At its most basic, you need to supply a product that there is a demand for.  Maybe even several.

Yes, organic is certainly preferable.  Don't want to support the Demon Monsanto.

Everybody needs toilet paper.  Or, a reasonable facsimile thereof.  Organic is preferable.

Corncobs suffice.  Even Monsanto corncobs will do the trick.  Pshhh, toilet paper.  What are you?  Some type of uppity modern man?  {Insert sneering smiley face}

Oh, gosh! Don't let Maria hear you say such a thing!

Oooof, I might get cancer.  Organic corn cobs it is.
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An economy is an organic system.  At its most basic, you need to supply a product that there is a demand for.  Maybe even several.

Yes, organic is certainly preferable.  Don't want to support the Demon Monsanto.

Everybody needs toilet paper.  Or, a reasonable facsimile thereof.  Organic is preferable.

Corncobs suffice.  Even Monsanto corncobs will do the trick.  Pshhh, toilet paper.  What are you?  Some type of uppity modern man?  {Insert sneering smiley face}

Oh, gosh! Don't let Maria hear you say such a thing!

Oooof, I might get cancer.  Organic corn cobs it is.

And, even those must be produced.  Everyone is in need of something to wi....nvm
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« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2013, 05:52:46 PM »

Sincerely, hello

Do any of you here at OC.net have any knowledge on how to build a local economy?...

Do you want to plant a colony or something?

Or something  Open a Dutch brewery.  You know, brewing Dutch people, er...I mean beer.

Planting a colony takes rich (read, expensive) soil.  Besides, it would make him an evil colonialist.

Not much harm done if it's a colony of ants. Or a wormery.
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An economy is an organic system.  At its most basic, you need to supply a product that there is a demand for.  Maybe even several.

Yes, organic is certainly preferable.  Don't want to support the Demon Monsanto.

Everybody needs toilet paper.  Or, a reasonable facsimile thereof.  Organic is preferable.

Corncobs suffice.  Even Monsanto corncobs will do the trick.  Pshhh, toilet paper.  What are you?  Some type of uppity modern man?  {Insert sneering smiley face}

Oh, gosh! Don't let Maria hear you say such a thing!

Oooof, I might get cancer.  Organic corn cobs it is.

And, even those must be produced.  Everyone is in need of something to wi....nvm
I see you are unfamiliar with The Single-Seed Revolution.

Sow seed as you will, but do not work the land. What abundance comes forth shall suffice for all wiping needs, maybe even double what the Monsanto toilet cobs can provide.

Or maybe that only works in Japan. I dunno.
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I read in a book somewhere that when the contradictions in the productive forces and the relations of production come to a head, a precipitous crisis will ensue, compelling the proletariat to revolt and install their dictatorship, which will gradually wither away after the reactionary elements are defeated and we have made the transition to a classless, moneyless economy based on the principle, "from each according to ability, to each according to need."
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« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2013, 06:23:40 PM »

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You're asking for the explanation of an explanation or for the reason of a reason.
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An economy is an organic system.  At its most basic, you need to supply a product that there is a demand for.  Maybe even several.

Yes, organic is certainly preferable.  Don't want to support the Demon Monsanto.

Everybody needs toilet paper.  Or, a reasonable facsimile thereof.  Organic is preferable.

Corncobs suffice.  Even Monsanto corncobs will do the trick.  Pshhh, toilet paper.  What are you?  Some type of uppity modern man?  {Insert sneering smiley face}

Oh, gosh! Don't let Maria hear you say such a thing!

Oooof, I might get cancer.  Organic corn cobs it is.

And, even those must be produced.  Everyone is in need of something to wi....nvm
I see you are unfamiliar with The Single-Seed Revolution.

Sow seed as you will, but do not work the land. What abundance comes forth shall suffice for all wiping needs, maybe even double what the Monsanto toilet cobs can provide.

Or maybe that only works in Japan. I dunno.
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An economy is an organic system.  At its most basic, you need to supply a product that there is a demand for.  Maybe even several.

Yes, organic is certainly preferable.  Don't want to support the Demon Monsanto.

Everybody needs toilet paper.  Or, a reasonable facsimile thereof.  Organic is preferable.

Corncobs suffice.  Even Monsanto corncobs will do the trick.  Pshhh, toilet paper.  What are you?  Some type of uppity modern man?  {Insert sneering smiley face}

Oh, gosh! Don't let Maria hear you say such a thing!

Oooof, I might get cancer.  Organic corn cobs it is.

And, even those must be produced.  Everyone is in need of something to wi....nvm
I see you are unfamiliar with The Single-Seed Revolution.

Sow seed as you will, but do not work the land. What abundance comes forth shall suffice for all wiping needs, maybe even double what the Monsanto toilet cobs can provide.

Or maybe that only works in Japan. I dunno.

Yeah...never heard of it.  Sounds excellent though!  These single seed thingees....are they communist, capitalist, or fascist?  On the face of it, though, they sound kinda anarchistic.  Hopefully not related to Occupy Earwax!  (Do seeds grow in earwax??)
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« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2013, 09:18:36 AM »

An economy is an organic system.  At its most basic, you need to supply a product that there is a demand for.  Maybe even several.

Yes, organic is certainly preferable.  Don't want to support the Demon Monsanto.

Everybody needs toilet paper.  Or, a reasonable facsimile thereof.  Organic is preferable.

Corncobs suffice.  Even Monsanto corncobs will do the trick.  Pshhh, toilet paper.  What are you?  Some type of uppity modern man?  {Insert sneering smiley face}

Oh, gosh! Don't let Maria hear you say such a thing!

Oooof, I might get cancer.  Organic corn cobs it is.

And, even those must be produced.  Everyone is in need of something to wi....nvm
I see you are unfamiliar with The Single-Seed Revolution.

Sow seed as you will, but do not work the land. What abundance comes forth shall suffice for all wiping needs, maybe even double what the Monsanto toilet cobs can provide.

Or maybe that only works in Japan. I dunno.
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« Reply #42 on: August 27, 2013, 09:24:41 AM »

An economy is an organic system.  At its most basic, you need to supply a product that there is a demand for.  Maybe even several.

Yes, organic is certainly preferable.  Don't want to support the Demon Monsanto.

Everybody needs toilet paper.  Or, a reasonable facsimile thereof.  Organic is preferable.

Corncobs suffice.  Even Monsanto corncobs will do the trick.  Pshhh, toilet paper.  What are you?  Some type of uppity modern man?  {Insert sneering smiley face}

Oh, gosh! Don't let Maria hear you say such a thing!

Oooof, I might get cancer.  Organic corn cobs it is.

And, even those must be produced.  Everyone is in need of something to wi....nvm
I see you are unfamiliar with The Single-Seed Revolution.

Sow seed as you will, but do not work the land. What abundance comes forth shall suffice for all wiping needs, maybe even double what the Monsanto toilet cobs can provide.

Or maybe that only works in Japan. I dunno.
I thought they used katana blades? Huh Grin

That sounds almost as bad as some of the European and Middle Eastern toilet "paper" I've had the displeasure of making acquaintance with.  Brutal!
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« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2013, 09:25:08 AM »

An economy is an organic system.  At its most basic, you need to supply a product that there is a demand for.  Maybe even several.

Yes, organic is certainly preferable.  Don't want to support the Demon Monsanto.

Everybody needs toilet paper.  Or, a reasonable facsimile thereof.  Organic is preferable.

Corncobs suffice.  Even Monsanto corncobs will do the trick.  Pshhh, toilet paper.  What are you?  Some type of uppity modern man?  {Insert sneering smiley face}

Oh, gosh! Don't let Maria hear you say such a thing!

Oooof, I might get cancer.  Organic corn cobs it is.

And, even those must be produced.  Everyone is in need of something to wi....nvm
I see you are unfamiliar with The Single-Seed Revolution.

Sow seed as you will, but do not work the land. What abundance comes forth shall suffice for all wiping needs, maybe even double what the Monsanto toilet cobs can provide.

Or maybe that only works in Japan. I dunno.
I thought they used katana blades? Huh Grin

Aren't those for shaving?

Well....uh..........could be!
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« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2013, 09:27:15 AM »

I would never shave my beard off with a corn cob. 
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« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2013, 09:33:38 AM »

JM wouldn't know.  He's never shaved in his life.
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« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2013, 09:34:13 AM »

I would never shave my beard off with a corn cob. 

Finally, a sensible post in this thread!  Thank you.  God bless you!!
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« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2013, 09:35:48 AM »

JM wouldn't know.  He's never shaved in his life.

I did try it once.  I prefer Dos Equis, though  Grin.


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« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2013, 09:37:27 AM »

JM wouldn't know.  He's never shaved in his life.

I did try it once.  I prefer Dos Equis, though  Grin.


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« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2013, 09:43:26 AM »

JM wouldn't know.  He's never shaved in his life.

I did try it once.  I prefer Dos Equis, though  Grin.


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I believe there is a Schick Quattro Equis that may be good.  Or would you rather have a Dos Equus?   laugh

I'll take a Dos Equis over a Schick anything anytime Grin.
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« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2013, 09:46:53 AM »

JM wouldn't know.  He's never shaved in his life.

I did try it once.  I prefer Dos Equis, though  Grin.


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« Reply #51 on: August 27, 2013, 09:48:10 AM »


Have we ever gotten to the bottom of this OP?

I'm really curious as to what this concerns.

A local economy might even be the parish church and how to improve what comes in versus what goes out.
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« Reply #52 on: August 27, 2013, 09:58:15 AM »


Have we ever gotten to the bottom of this OP?

I'm really curious as to what this concerns.

A local economy might even be the parish church and how to improve what comes in versus what goes out.


There was a lot of potential. 
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« Reply #53 on: August 27, 2013, 09:58:23 AM »

Sincerely, hello

Do any of you here at OC.net have any knowledge on how to build a local economy?...

Let's return.  Hmmmm.  For your purposes WPM, what is "knowledge," "local," or "economy"?  And more importanly, what are you trying to accomplish?  What is your goal or vision for your local community, city, or region?  Corncobs, katanas, and beer aside for the moment, of course. laugh  Well, not beer.
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Sincerely, hello

Do any of you here at OC.net have any knowledge on how to build a local economy?...

Let's return.  Hmmmm.  For your purposes WPM, what is "knowledge," "local," or "economy"?  And more importanly, what are you trying to accomplish?  What is your goal or vision for your local community, city, or region?  Corncobs, katanas, and beer aside for the moment, of course. laugh  Well, not beer.

Definitely not beer.  Not even corncob beer.  I think he really wants to start-up a micro-brewery but just can't bring himself to admit it.  Sad, really. Sad
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Have we ever gotten to the bottom of this OP?

I'm really curious as to what this concerns.

A local economy might even be the parish church and how to improve what comes in versus what goes out.


There was a lot of potential. 
There would have been if the question was better defined.  If it was a topic on how a local government might develop an economy, that is much different than how a super rich guy might come in and build an economy or how some shlep who doesn't have a job might somehow develop a local economy. Is he looking for some sort of practical advice or economic theory?  Until you understand what he is asking, the thread is open game for standard silliness.
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Sincerely, hello

Do any of you here at OC.net have any knowledge on how to build a local economy?...

Let's return.  Hmmmm.  For your purposes WPM, what is "knowledge," "local," or "economy"?  And more importanly, what are you trying to accomplish?  What is your goal or vision for your local community, city, or region?  Corncobs, katanas, and beer aside for the moment, of course. laugh  Well, not beer.

Definitely not beer.  Not even corncob beer.  I think he really wants to start-up a micro-brewery but just can't bring himself to admit it.  Sad, really. Sad
I hear moonshining is still a profitable business.  Make sure your customers don't go blind and you'll have repeat customers for life.
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« Reply #57 on: August 27, 2013, 03:02:51 PM »

I would like to think to create an economy where everybody has cash and there is no poverty.
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« Reply #58 on: August 27, 2013, 03:05:05 PM »


Have we ever gotten to the bottom of this OP?

I'm really curious as to what this concerns.

A local economy might even be the parish church and how to improve what comes in versus what goes out.


There was a lot of potential.  
There would have been if the question was better defined.  If it was a topic on how a local government might develop an economy, that is much different than how a super rich guy might come in and build an economy or how some shlep who doesn't have a job might somehow develop a local economy. Is he looking for some sort of practical advice or economic theory?  Until you understand what he is asking, the thread is open game for standard silliness.

I would like to think to create an economy where everybody has cash and there is no poverty.

Where?

Do you have enough control of the environment to be able to achieve such a dream?
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« Reply #59 on: August 27, 2013, 03:08:21 PM »


Have we ever gotten to the bottom of this OP?

I'm really curious as to what this concerns.

A local economy might even be the parish church and how to improve what comes in versus what goes out.


There was a lot of potential.  
There would have been if the question was better defined.  If it was a topic on how a local government might develop an economy, that is much different than how a super rich guy might come in and build an economy or how some shlep who doesn't have a job might somehow develop a local economy. Is he looking for some sort of practical advice or economic theory?  Until you understand what he is asking, the thread is open game for standard silliness.

I would like to think to create an economy where everybody has cash and there is no poverty.

So a Utopia where there is no want?  Then there would be no need for cash.  Unless you win a huge lottery and your local community is really small, and you are willing to share it all with them, I don't see what you're proposing as anything but a fanciful dream.  Where does this sentiment come from, if you don't mind me asking?
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« Reply #60 on: August 27, 2013, 03:12:19 PM »

For that to work, then everyone would have to get off of welfare and start working at a real job.
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« Reply #61 on: August 27, 2013, 03:15:12 PM »

For that to work, then everyone would have to get off of welfare and start working at real jobs.

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Where does this sentiment come from, if you don't mind me asking?

How would you go about doing 'xyz' to accomplish an economy that allows all residents to have cash, thus equalling no poverty?  How do you allow the fact that some will have more cash than others?
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« Reply #62 on: August 27, 2013, 03:32:41 PM »

I think the situation is different now than it was 5 years ago.

What do I do if my parents want to control my money?...
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« Reply #63 on: August 27, 2013, 03:35:11 PM »

I think the situation is different now than it was 5 years ago.

What do I do if my parents want to control my money?...

So local economy = your economy?   Huh

If you can control your own money, you don't need anyone else to control your money.
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« Reply #64 on: August 27, 2013, 03:36:09 PM »

I think the situation is different now than it was 5 years ago.

What do I do if my parents want to control my money?...

So, your parents are looking to control your money?
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« Reply #65 on: August 27, 2013, 03:37:38 PM »

I think the situation is different now than it was 5 years ago.

What do you do when your parents want to control your money?...

A few issues:
1)  Everything is different from five seconds ago, more so five years ago.  What situation are you talking about?
2)  My parents don't control my money.  They haven't since I started working for my own money since I was 14.  If (a big if) they did, I would be doing my best to become independent as soon as I could.  In the meantime, be respectful and help them out around the house, do errands, etc.  Also, by "your,"  do you mean money that really belongs to parents for the use of the children or money that belongs to the child, but is controlled by the parents?
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« Reply #66 on: August 27, 2013, 03:39:15 PM »

This just gets weirder and weirder. 

So much potential.
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« Reply #67 on: August 27, 2013, 03:42:14 PM »

This just gets weirder and weirder. 

So much potential.
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« Reply #68 on: August 27, 2013, 03:46:25 PM »

This just gets weirder and weirder. 

So much potential.
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« Reply #69 on: August 27, 2013, 03:48:46 PM »

Still, its about someone controlling something.
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It wasn't worth the full 1000
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« Reply #71 on: August 27, 2013, 03:50:03 PM »

Still, its about someone controlling something.
Who do you want to control?  Is this like a BSM thing?  Shocked
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« Reply #72 on: August 27, 2013, 03:51:12 PM »

I think the situation is different now than it was 5 years ago.

What do you do when your parents want to control your money?...

A few issues:
1)  Everything is different from five seconds ago, more so five years ago.  What situation are you talking about?
2)  My parents don't control my money.  They haven't since I started working for my own money since I was 14.  If (a big if) they did, I would be doing my best to become independent as soon as I could.  In the meantime, be respectful and help them out around the house, do errands, etc.  Also, by "your,"  do you mean money that really belongs to parents for the use of the children or money that belongs to the child, but is controlled by the parents?


My situation does seem a lot better than it used to be.
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« Reply #73 on: August 27, 2013, 03:52:28 PM »

Still, its about someone controlling something.

Are you that something?  Is that someone your parent?  You may have deeper issues than an almost-derailed thread can assist you with.
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« Reply #74 on: August 27, 2013, 03:53:04 PM »

I got happy with my zeroes. Undecided
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« Reply #75 on: August 27, 2013, 03:57:38 PM »

I think the situation is different now than it was 5 years ago.

What do you do when your parents want to control your money?...

A few issues:
1)  Everything is different from five seconds ago, more so five years ago.  What situation are you talking about?
2)  My parents don't control my money.  They haven't since I started working for my own money since I was 14.  If (a big if) they did, I would be doing my best to become independent as soon as I could.  In the meantime, be respectful and help them out around the house, do errands, etc.  Also, by "your,"  do you mean money that really belongs to parents for the use of the children or money that belongs to the child, but is controlled by the parents?


My situation does seem a lot better than it used to be.


The point of being laconic is that the terse statements are pithy.  You are just being miserly with your info.  Do you have an actual question or any gathered thoughts to discuss?  Or should we just let Tri and JM get back to discussing alternate uses for corn cobs?
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Have we ever gotten to the bottom of this OP?

I'm really curious as to what this concerns.

A local economy might even be the parish church and how to improve what comes in versus what goes out.


There was a lot of potential. 
There would have been if the question was better defined.  If it was a topic on how a local government might develop an economy, that is much different than how a super rich guy might come in and build an economy or how some shlep who doesn't have a job might somehow develop a local economy. Is he looking for some sort of practical advice or economic theory?  Until you understand what he is asking, the thread is open game for standard silliness.

Its so I can ensure that I get the cash I need, and that has to do with local economy. Sorry I don't use high sounding intellectual church speak

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Have we ever gotten to the bottom of this OP?

I'm really curious as to what this concerns.

A local economy might even be the parish church and how to improve what comes in versus what goes out.


There was a lot of potential. 
There would have been if the question was better defined.  If it was a topic on how a local government might develop an economy, that is much different than how a super rich guy might come in and build an economy or how some shlep who doesn't have a job might somehow develop a local economy. Is he looking for some sort of practical advice or economic theory?  Until you understand what he is asking, the thread is open game for standard silliness.

Its so I can ensure that I get the cash I need, and that has to do with local economy. Sorry I don't use high sounding intellectual church speak



English? Huh Huh Huh I guess I could copy and paste the Scripture in Greek if that'll help.  Heck, take a little cash, go to the gas station, and buy beer.  Maybe a hot dog too.  Not only have you proven to yourself that you have cash, but you have helped the local economy by injecting that cash into it.  Bravo!!!!  Now, back to corn cobs and horse meat.
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« Reply #78 on: August 27, 2013, 04:10:36 PM »

Its so I can ensure that I get the cash I need, and that has to do with local economy.

Fortunately or unfortunately depending on your pov, the only way to get the cash you need is either to 1) get a job and work for it, 2)find something that you can produce or a service that you can provide that people need/want and are willing to pay for, and produce it or provide it (also work) or 3)rob a bank, convenience store or sell drugs (fairly high risk and dangerous).
Or you could inherit it from rich relatives, I suppose.
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Have we ever gotten to the bottom of this OP?

I'm really curious as to what this concerns.

A local economy might even be the parish church and how to improve what comes in versus what goes out.


There was a lot of potential. 
There would have been if the question was better defined.  If it was a topic on how a local government might develop an economy, that is much different than how a super rich guy might come in and build an economy or how some shlep who doesn't have a job might somehow develop a local economy. Is he looking for some sort of practical advice or economic theory?  Until you understand what he is asking, the thread is open game for standard silliness.

Its so I can ensure that I get the cash I need, and that has to do with local economy. Sorry I don't use high sounding intellectual church speak


I wasn't using any church speak there.  To ensure the cash you need, you just need to find a job and work until you save up enough money to buy what you need.  Most places, you can apply for entry level jobs right online.  Once you get your foot in the door, you can work your way up and make more money.
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So you're suggesting it has to do with an efficiency product to sell on the market?..
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I think the situation is different now than it was 5 years ago.

What do I do if my parents want to control my money?...

So, your parents are looking to control your money?

My dad does, but its ok I get enough to pay all my bills everymonth.
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« Reply #82 on: August 27, 2013, 05:27:13 PM »

I think the situation is different now than it was 5 years ago.

What do I do if my parents want to control my money?...

So, your parents are looking to control your money?

My dad does, but its ok I get enough to pay all my bills everymonth.
Are you under a conservatorship or something?
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I think the situation is different now than it was 5 years ago.

What do I do if my parents want to control my money?...

So, your parents are looking to control your money?

My dad does, but its ok I get enough to pay all my bills everymonth.
Are you under a conservatorship or something?

Yes, I have some kind of deal worked out.
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« Reply #84 on: August 28, 2013, 06:44:12 AM »

So you're suggesting it has to do with an efficiency product to sell on the market?..

Or any product that can make people's lives seem easier.
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I think the situation is different now than it was 5 years ago.

What do I do if my parents want to control my money?...

So, your parents are looking to control your money?

My dad does, but its ok I get enough to pay all my bills everymonth.

Are you able to have your own bank account?
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« Reply #86 on: August 28, 2013, 09:47:26 AM »

Things are slowly.....very, very slowly....getting somewhat clearer on this thread.

WPM--Are you still living at home with your parents?
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WPM--Are you still living at home with your parents?

Yes.
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« Reply #89 on: August 28, 2013, 10:06:11 AM »

Do you have a job now?  If so, can you work more hours or are you able to find a second job?  If not, what kind of work is available in your area?
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Yes I have a job working with my dad part-time.
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Yes I have a job working with my dad part-time.

Surprisingly, this IS a serious post  Shocked.

So...you live at home, you have your own bank account, you have a part-time job with Dad, you have enough $$ to pay your bills, you have "something" worked out with your parents.  What kind of advice, precisely, are you looking for?  Do you want greater control over your own money?  Do you want more money?  Do you just want some kind of intellectual/theoretical discussion on how to create a utopian society?  Have I missed something?  Help us out here, a little bit, WPM.  It's been kinda like pulling teeth to try to get a handle on what your asking for in this thread.
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Yes I have a job working with my dad part-time.

Surprisingly, this IS a serious post  Shocked.

So...you live at home, you have your own bank account, you have a part-time job with Dad, you have enough $$ to pay your bills, you have "something" worked out with your parents.  What kind of advice, precisely, are you looking for?  Do you want greater control over your own money?  Do you want more money?  Do you just want some kind of intellectual/theoretical discussion on how to create a utopian society?  Have I missed something?  Help us out here, a little bit, WPM.  It's been kinda like pulling teeth to try to get a handle on what your asking for in this thread.

I guess I'm counting on ingenuity and the history channel  Wink to create a working economy.

You could purport the answers to your questions with religion and science.  

I am asking for someone with ingenuity for advice on how to implement the local economy so people have more money. Why is that necessarily utopian?

It sounds like working with a genius plan to make our lives easier.
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I am asking for someone with ingenuity for advice on how to implement the local economy so people have more money.

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I am asking for someone with ingenuity for advice on how to implement the local economy so people have more money.

Underwater giraffe farms are the way of the future.

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Yes I have a job working with my dad part-time.

Surprisingly, this IS a serious post  Shocked.

So...you live at home, you have your own bank account, you have a part-time job with Dad, you have enough $$ to pay your bills, you have "something" worked out with your parents.  What kind of advice, precisely, are you looking for?  Do you want greater control over your own money?  Do you want more money?  Do you just want some kind of intellectual/theoretical discussion on how to create a utopian society?  Have I missed something?  Help us out here, a little bit, WPM.  It's been kinda like pulling teeth to try to get a handle on what your asking for in this thread.

I guess I'm counting on ingenuity and the history channel  Wink to create a working economy.

You could purport the answers to your questions with religion and science.  

I am asking for someone with ingenuity for advice on how to implement the local economy so people have more money. Why is that necessarily utopian?

It sounds like working with a genius plan to make our lives easier.

We already have a "working economy."  It ain't workin' great but it's workin'.  Sometimes it works better than at other times.

I don't know what you mean by "You could purport the answers to your questions with religion and science."

It is not necessarily utopian to want people to have more money.  In our society people get more money by means already mentioned in this thread--work more, get a "better" job", rob a bank, etc., etc., etc.

What is "a genius plan to make our lives easier"??  (Who said our lives were supposed to be easy or even easier?  Not that I'm necessarily opposed to that, mind you...).

If you're going to depend upon The History Channel, well......let's just say that's probably not the best of ideas.
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« Reply #96 on: August 28, 2013, 12:01:12 PM »

Yes I have a job working with my dad part-time.

Does your dad pay you or do you both work in the same business?  Can you get another job?  That can help you out more.
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« Reply #97 on: August 28, 2013, 12:04:45 PM »

I would like to think to create an economy where everybody has cash and there is no poverty.

This is utopian.  To have a "genius" plan, you need to work at it, not watch History Channel.  Every person in history that is considered a genius, worked really, really hard for a particular goal.  Your vague goal of everyone having money isn't realistic and not specific enough.  It's like making a product that no one needs;  there's no end goal here.
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I would like to think to create an economy where everybody has cash and there is no poverty.

This is utopian.  To have a "genius" plan, you need to work at it, not watch History Channel.  Every person in history that is considered a genius, worked really, really hard for a particular goal.  Your vague goal of everyone having money isn't realistic and not specific enough.  It's like making a product that no one needs;  there's no end goal here.

People don't need an X-box yet Microsoft made millions by providing the console to the Gamer's market.
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Yes I have a job working with my dad part-time.

Does your dad pay you or do you both work in the same business?  Can you get another job?  That can help you out more.

I get $1000 dollars a month.

If I found another job it would be with Microsoft Software and the Internet.
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I would like to think to create an economy where everybody has cash and there is no poverty.

This is utopian.  To have a "genius" plan, you need to work at it, not watch History Channel.  Every person in history that is considered a genius, worked really, really hard for a particular goal.  Your vague goal of everyone having money isn't realistic and not specific enough.  It's like making a product that no one needs;  there's no end goal here.

People don't need an X-box yet Microsoft made millions by providing the console to the Gamer's market.

Tell gamers they don't need an Xbox or any console.  I can expand that:  products that people don't need/want or not willing to pay for.  That's not really the point.  What is a specific goal you are shooting for that involves you and only you?
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« Reply #101 on: August 28, 2013, 12:52:16 PM »

Yes I have a job working with my dad part-time.

Does your dad pay you or do you both work in the same business?  Can you get another job?  That can help you out more.

I get $1000 dollars a month.

If I found another job it would be with Microsoft Software and the Internet.
1000/month ain't too bad.  What are you doing to try to get a job with Microsoft?  Getting a job with the "internet" is too vague. 
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Yes I have a job working with my dad part-time.

Surprisingly, this IS a serious post  Shocked.

So...you live at home, you have your own bank account, you have a part-time job with Dad, you have enough $$ to pay your bills, you have "something" worked out with your parents.  What kind of advice, precisely, are you looking for?  Do you want greater control over your own money?  Do you want more money?  Do you just want some kind of intellectual/theoretical discussion on how to create a utopian society?  Have I missed something?  Help us out here, a little bit, WPM.  It's been kinda like pulling teeth to try to get a handle on what your asking for in this thread.

I guess I'm counting on ingenuity and the history channel  Wink to create a working economy.

You could purport the answers to your questions with religion and science.  

I am asking for someone with ingenuity for advice on how to implement the local economy so people have more money. Why is that necessarily utopian?

It sounds like working with a genius plan to make our lives easier.

In short:

More money passing through more hands.  More minds independently thinking and sharing gained experience and hammering out new ideas.  Open-source, yo.  The gray market is going to be the next big thing.  Government overregulation and the accumulation of capital in few actors has caused massive stagnation.  The gray market is not illegal, but it is also unregulated.  Craigslist, word of mouth, and good old supply and demand are the tools of the gray market.  Barter is it's currency.
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I would like to think to create an economy where everybody has cash and there is no poverty.

This is utopian.  To have a "genius" plan, you need to work at it, not watch History Channel.  Every person in history that is considered a genius, worked really, really hard for a particular goal.  Your vague goal of everyone having money isn't realistic and not specific enough.  It's like making a product that no one needs;  there's no end goal here.

People don't need an X-box yet Microsoft made millions by providing the console to the Gamer's market.

Tell gamers they don't need an Xbox or any console.  I can expand that:  products that people don't need/want or not willing to pay for.  That's not really the point.  What is a specific goal you are shooting for that involves you and only you?

I think the goal is to be efficient and productive with my time and effort.
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« Reply #104 on: August 28, 2013, 01:19:46 PM »

I would like to think to create an economy where everybody has cash and there is no poverty.

This is utopian.  To have a "genius" plan, you need to work at it, not watch History Channel.  Every person in history that is considered a genius, worked really, really hard for a particular goal.  Your vague goal of everyone having money isn't realistic and not specific enough.  It's like making a product that no one needs;  there's no end goal here.

People don't need an X-box yet Microsoft made millions by providing the console to the Gamer's market.

Tell gamers they don't need an Xbox or any console.  I can expand that:  products that people don't need/want or not willing to pay for.  That's not really the point.  What is a specific goal you are shooting for that involves you and only you?

I think the goal is to be efficient and productive with my time and effort.

That doesn't necessarily involve money or an economy.  It DOES depend almost solely on YOU.
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I would like to think to create an economy where everybody has cash and there is no poverty.

This is utopian.  To have a "genius" plan, you need to work at it, not watch History Channel.  Every person in history that is considered a genius, worked really, really hard for a particular goal.  Your vague goal of everyone having money isn't realistic and not specific enough.  It's like making a product that no one needs;  there's no end goal here.

People don't need an X-box yet Microsoft made millions by providing the console to the Gamer's market.

Tell gamers they don't need an Xbox or any console.  I can expand that:  products that people don't need/want or not willing to pay for.  That's not really the point.  What is a specific goal you are shooting for that involves you and only you?

I think the goal is to be efficient and productive with my time and effort.

So the issue at its core is that you are not efficient or productive with your time or effort?
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Unless you win the lottery, there's really no substitute for hard work and lots of it. As I said before, it's really very simple. Get a job (which generally involves preparation, education, effort, etc.) or produce/provide a product or service that people are willing to pay you to produce/provide (this also involves preparation, planning, education, effort, and saving money, if you're going to need raw materials or equipment).
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Unless you win the lottery, there's really no substitute for hard work and lots of it. As I said before, it's really very simple. Get a job (which generally involves preparation, education, effort, etc.) or produce/provide a product or service that people are willing to pay you to produce/provide (this also involves preparation, planning, education, effort, and saving money, if you're going to need raw materials or equipment).
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Unless you win the lottery, there's really no substitute for hard work and lots of it. As I said before, it's really very simple. Get a job (which generally involves preparation, education, effort, etc.) or produce/provide a product or service that people are willing to pay you to produce/provide (this also involves preparation, planning, education, effort, and saving money, if you're going to need raw materials or equipment).
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« Reply #109 on: August 28, 2013, 02:21:33 PM »

Unless you win the lottery, there's really no substitute for hard work and lots of it. As I said before, it's really very simple. Get a job (which generally involves preparation, education, effort, etc.) or produce/provide a product or service that people are willing to pay you to produce/provide (this also involves preparation, planning, education, effort, and saving money, if you're going to need raw materials or equipment).

Well....actually....there is.  Discussing it here would get this moved to "Politics", however.  Do your REALLY want that??
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Tell gamers they don't need an Xbox or any console.

They don't. PC gaming all the way.
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Unless you win the lottery, there's really no substitute for hard work and lots of it. As I said before, it's really very simple. Get a job (which generally involves preparation, education, effort, etc.) or produce/provide a product or service that people are willing to pay you to produce/provide (this also involves preparation, planning, education, effort, and saving money, if you're going to need raw materials or equipment).
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In short:

More money passing through more hands.  More minds independently thinking and sharing gained experience and hammering out new ideas.  Open-source, yo.  The gray market is going to be the next big thing.  Government overregulation and the accumulation of capital in few actors has caused massive stagnation.  The gray market is not illegal, but it is also unregulated.  Craigslist, word of mouth, and good old supply and demand are the tools of the gray market.  Barter is it's currency.
Locally, the gray market is huge.

I have a friend who is about to sell a house through a listing he posted on Facebook.
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Tell gamers they don't need an Xbox or any console.

They don't. PC gaming all the way.

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Unless you win the lottery, there's really no substitute for hard work and lots of it. As I said before, it's really very simple. Get a job (which generally involves preparation, education, effort, etc.) or produce/provide a product or service that people are willing to pay you to produce/provide (this also involves preparation, planning, education, effort, and saving money, if you're going to need raw materials or equipment).
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« Reply #115 on: August 28, 2013, 03:59:06 PM »

Unless you win the lottery, there's really no substitute for hard work and lots of it. As I said before, it's really very simple. Get a job (which generally involves preparation, education, effort, etc.) or produce/provide a product or service that people are willing to pay you to produce/provide (this also involves preparation, planning, education, effort, and saving money, if you're going to need raw materials or equipment).
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« Reply #116 on: August 29, 2013, 06:21:14 AM »

Unless you win the lottery, there's really no substitute for hard work and lots of it. As I said before, it's really very simple. Get a job (which generally involves preparation, education, effort, etc.) or produce/provide a product or service that people are willing to pay you to produce/provide (this also involves preparation, planning, education, effort, and saving money, if you're going to need raw materials or equipment).
Stop making sense.
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I was hoping you would know where it is........NOW whatta we do?

Well, katherinofdixie has promised not to make sense anymore, so we probably should just wander aimlessly 'til we get there.  No guarantees, but it did work for the Israelites.
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« Reply #117 on: August 29, 2013, 09:43:08 AM »

Unless you win the lottery, there's really no substitute for hard work and lots of it. As I said before, it's really very simple. Get a job (which generally involves preparation, education, effort, etc.) or produce/provide a product or service that people are willing to pay you to produce/provide (this also involves preparation, planning, education, effort, and saving money, if you're going to need raw materials or equipment).
Stop making sense.
The making sense thread is elsewhere.
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I was hoping you would know where it is........NOW whatta we do?

Well, katherinofdixie has promised not to make sense anymore, so we probably should just wander aimlessly 'til we get there.  No guarantees, but it did work for the Israelites.

Sounds good to me!
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« Reply #118 on: November 27, 2013, 04:52:35 PM »

So ... how would you go about building that sort of economy?... By providing jobs? ..
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« Reply #120 on: November 30, 2013, 04:16:42 AM »

Hello.

To build a civilized local economy, you need these things.

1. A church (hehehe)
2. A farm
3. A bakery
4. Houses
5. Water
6. Sewage (not necessary)
... and other things

But the important thing, is to keep all things in commune. Then, the entire community will work at highest efficiency possible! Hey bill, I need a hammer! Ok Bob, here is my hammer! Hey I need a hammer too! Ok lets get another hammer together!

And also, eat together in one big table, the whole local people. It will be like thanksgiving dinner every day

If anyone misbehaves, then boot himn out of the community, or punish him in some terrible way that everyone sees so no one else will want to misbehave! do not forget to build walls
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« Reply #121 on: December 01, 2013, 01:36:43 PM »

So, kinda just be Amish?
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