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« Reply #45 on: August 23, 2013, 01:57:49 PM »

Think about this one Mr. Holmes.  If you didn't fornicate, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant with your child.  If she didn't get pregnant with your child, she couldn't have had an abortion killing you're child.  See how the guilt is still connected to your sinful actions?  There is another lesson you probably ignore from scripture about how our sins can affect our children.

I'm sorry, but this woman failed to realize her purpose in life and I think I did my part. Yes, I could have done more to try convince her to keep the child, and so if anything you can blame me for that.

I think there is a discussion about this, but the word fornication originally ment prostitution, as well as porneia which is the greek word for it in the bible. The Bible says not to engage in prostitution, and adultery which is breaking the marriage covenant. I cannot find where it says you cannot have sex without a marriage covenant, and as I quoted Eccl 5:4, it is better not to make an oath that you cannot keep.



Anyone else notice the huge irony of having the topic about sleeping with a whore and then arguing that it was ok because the Bible condemns prostitution instead of premarital sex.

No one?  Maybe it is just me.  Roll Eyes

Maybe you're the only one who's bothered to read the thread??
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« Reply #46 on: August 23, 2013, 01:57:57 PM »

Think about this one Mr. Holmes.  If you didn't fornicate, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant with your child.  If she didn't get pregnant with your child, she couldn't have had an abortion killing you're child.  See how the guilt is still connected to your sinful actions?  There is another lesson you probably ignore from scripture about how our sins can affect our children.

I'm sorry, but this woman failed to realize her purpose in life and I think I did my part. Yes, I could have done more to try convince her to keep the child, and so if anything you can blame me for that.

I think there is a discussion about this, but the word fornication originally ment prostitution, as well as porneia which is the greek word for it in the bible. The Bible says not to engage in prostitution, and adultery which is breaking the marriage covenant. I cannot find where it says you cannot have sex without a marriage covenant, and as I quoted Eccl 5:4, it is better not to make an oath that you cannot keep.



Anyone else notice the huge irony of having the topic about sleeping with a whore and then arguing that it was ok because the Bible condemns prostitution instead of premarital sex.

No one?  Maybe it is just me.  Roll Eyes

Fornication includes pre-marital sex and prostitution. Adultery is similar but involves married people who cheat and are unfaithful to their own spouses. St. Paul in his epistles, especially to the Romans, encourages the faithful to avoid any sexual immorality, including fornication, homosexuality, and adultery.

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« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2013, 02:20:23 PM »

You need instruction in the Holy Faith in order to see the sins you have committed in fathering a child with an to be taken out to the back and beaten by the male relatives of the abortionist.

I fixed it for you, Maria.  We must emphasise orthopraxis, not just orthodoxy.  The sensus fidelium of traditionally Orthodox cultures would not tolerate anything less. 
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« Reply #48 on: August 23, 2013, 02:22:59 PM »

You need instruction in the Holy Faith in order to see the sins you have committed in fathering a child with an to be taken out to the back and beaten by the male relatives of the abortionist.

I fixed it for you, Maria.  We must emphasise orthopraxis, not just orthodoxy.  The sensus fidelium of traditionally Orthodox cultures would not tolerate anything less. 
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« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2013, 03:00:59 PM »

and she became pregnant and made an abortion.

The situation was confusing to me because I didn't really like anything about her yet my feelings forced me to be with her. Having already done two abortions and felt bad about it she asked me before we had sex if I would "be there" if she would become pregnant. I said yes since I take my responsibility for things, and just let the whole issue be up to God whether she becomes pregnant or not. I really don't like the idea of family planning, that is deciding whether or not to have children with someone, since that would mean I, as a human being, decide whether a child is born or not. I like to think God created me and not some people with plans, and therefore I would just like to have a few random children here and there and that is perhaps what made her most upset that I didn't just want her and no one else.

All women I know of so far are psychopaths, they seek a man to own and a man to be their God that gives them everything they need, basically a slave yet a slave that also has all the wealth to give her.

Anyway, I don't really know how to deal with this issue. I tried to tell her to keep it but she kicked me out because of that, saying I am trying to dominate her and laden her with guilt because I said it is not right for her to do it. But at the same time, it struck me that here is a woman that wants to kill her own child and how can anyone expect one such to bear one, or even deserve to be the mother of one? So I eventually texted her that even if she bears the child I will not let here keep it, but I don't know if she read that.

I don't think I need to be blamed for having sex with her and I don't feel bad about it as far as I can see, because in that case we might as well blame God for having concieved that child. It was aborted at about the fourth week.
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My dear brother, I am not a priest.   I am only a sinner, so please forgive me. 

The holy Apostle Paul says that our body is a temple of the Holy Spirit.   God commands us to abstain from fornication because that is for our own good.  Any number of grievous results can come from this sin, including the ruining of relationships and the separation of physical attraction from real love.  From such sins can come all manner of poisoned fruit. 

The holy fathers tell us to flee from our passions and to conquer them through prayer and fasting.  Then we will find salvation through our Lord Jesus, who like us was tempted in all manner of things yet did not sin. 

The Lord himself says, Before you complain about the speck in your brother's eye, first remove the log from your own eye. 

My brother, I beg you, for love of your own soul, to reflect whether through failure to flee an impure passion you not only fell into sin, but also facilitated a woman to kill a child from despair.  Remember how our Lord treated the woman taken in adultery, and Pray for this woman that she moght be healed.   Pray that our Lord will take your chikd into His arms.  And go to a priest for saving penance and absolution. 

Forgive me for daring to say this, but you have moved me to do so.  I pray for you. 
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« Reply #50 on: August 23, 2013, 03:04:59 PM »

Not gonna touch this with a 12' pole.

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« Reply #51 on: August 23, 2013, 04:13:13 PM »

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By the way, can you please clarify something? The thread title says "abortionist whore". Was this female an actual abortionist, or just somebody who has had multiple abortions? And assessing your words so far, it seems that you are equally guilty of "whoredom" and abortion. You had casual sex with a female that you knew was inclined to abortion, and then after she murdered YOUR child, you say you have no guilt or worries about that. So, it seems to me that you and this female share the same callous disregard both for your own bodies and for your own unborn children.

Well I think we have a problem when the father wants to keep the child and the mother doesn't, don't we? After all it's not the father who is responsible for bearing the child, it is the mother! And if the mother doesn't want to take her responsibility, then she will have to take that with God later on I guess.

She's had multiple abortions.

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I know that was harsh sounding, but I felt it needed to be said. But now let me encourage you to seek forgiveness and mercy in the sacrament of Confession. Take responsibility for the murder of your own unborn child. Yes, she had the abortion, but your callous disregard for her and for your own sexual purity is what led to that act. It's not like you fought for your child and did all you could to prevent her from killing it.

Perhaps I could have prevented it, and yet I found the situation disturbing, since she wanted to kil her child, and yet she was the one given the responsibility to care for it. It would have been different if I were the one that had the child in my custody, and someone wanted to kill it.

But let me ask you this question then, did God concieve that child or did he not?

As the father of the unborn child, you had rights to this baby.  If you truly were passionate about it, you would have gone to a lawyer which would have barred her from aborting "your" child.  This has happened before.  There's no reason why you just stood idly by and let her do this.

Furthermore, I'm certain had this woman (not whore) felt loved and secure in her relationship with you, she would most likely have given birth to this child and been happy to raise it within the family you would have afforded her. 

Did you mention that she could simply put the child up for adoption?  Or that you would take him/her after birth?  Did you bother to go with her to the abortion clinic and try to explain to her what she was doing was wrong?

What exactly did you do, to stop the loss of this child?  I hope I am wrong, but, I think you did very little....and yet, you place all the blame on her.  She did't get pregnant by herself.  You played just as big a role in creating that life, as she did.

The child is the responsibility of both parents, not just the mother.

How can you claim to be Orthodox and not understand this?  You seem very judgmental of her and all the other "psychopathic" women you have met.  Perhaps you are looking in the wrong places, or perhaps you are attracting a particular type of woman.  Be certain to step back and take a good, long, and honest look at yourself.

You're only 23, so, don't start saying you won't marry because God would have already sent you the woman to marry.  Please.  You seem hardly old enough to understand what it means to be a father.  Give it some time.

I suggest you stop with the sleeping around....and focus on something else for a while.
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My dear brother, I am not a priest.   I am only a sinner, so please forgive me. 

The holy Apostle Paul says that our body is a temple of the Holy Spirit.   God commands us to abstain from fornication because that is for our own good.  Any number of grievous results can come from this sin, including the ruining of relationships and the separation of physical attraction from real love.  From such sins can come all manner of poisoned fruit. 

The holy fathers tell us to flee from our passions and to conquer them through prayer and fasting.  Then we will find salvation through our Lord Jesus, who like us was tempted in all manner of things yet did not sin. 

The Lord himself says, Before you complain about the speck in your brother's eye, first remove the log from your own eye. 

My brother, I beg you, for love of your own soul, to reflect whether through failure to flee an impure passion you not only fell into sin, but also facilitated a woman to kill a child from despair.  Remember how our Lord treated the woman taken in adultery, and Pray for this woman that she moght be healed.   Pray that our Lord will take your chikd into His arms.  And go to a priest for saving penance and absolution. 

Forgive me for daring to say this, but you have moved me to do so.  I pray for you. 

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« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2013, 04:18:16 PM »

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By the way, can you please clarify something? The thread title says "abortionist whore". Was this female an actual abortionist, or just somebody who has had multiple abortions? And assessing your words so far, it seems that you are equally guilty of "whoredom" and abortion. You had casual sex with a female that you knew was inclined to abortion, and then after she murdered YOUR child, you say you have no guilt or worries about that. So, it seems to me that you and this female share the same callous disregard both for your own bodies and for your own unborn children.

Well I think we have a problem when the father wants to keep the child and the mother doesn't, don't we? After all it's not the father who is responsible for bearing the child, it is the mother! And if the mother doesn't want to take her responsibility, then she will have to take that with God later on I guess.

She's had multiple abortions.

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I know that was harsh sounding, but I felt it needed to be said. But now let me encourage you to seek forgiveness and mercy in the sacrament of Confession. Take responsibility for the murder of your own unborn child. Yes, she had the abortion, but your callous disregard for her and for your own sexual purity is what led to that act. It's not like you fought for your child and did all you could to prevent her from killing it.

Perhaps I could have prevented it, and yet I found the situation disturbing, since she wanted to kil her child, and yet she was the one given the responsibility to care for it. It would have been different if I were the one that had the child in my custody, and someone wanted to kill it.

But let me ask you this question then, did God concieve that child or did he not?

As the father of the unborn child, you had rights to this baby.  If you truly were passionate about it, you would have gone to a lawyer which would have barred her from aborting "your" child.  This has happened before.  There's no reason why you just stood idly by and let her do this.

Furthermore, I'm certain had this woman (not whore) felt loved and secure in her relationship with you, she would most likely have given birth to this child and been happy to raise it within the family you would have afforded her. 

Did you mention that she could simply put the child up for adoption?  Or that you would take him/her after birth?  Did you bother to go with her to the abortion clinic and try to explain to her what she was doing was wrong?

What exactly did you do, to stop the loss of this child?  I hope I am wrong, but, I think you did very little....and yet, you place all the blame on her.  She did't get pregnant by herself.  You played just as big a role in creating that life, as she did.

The child is the responsibility of both parents, not just the mother.

How can you claim to be Orthodox and not understand this?  You seem very judgmental of her and all the other "psychopathic" women you have met.  Perhaps you are looking in the wrong places, or perhaps you are attracting a particular type of woman.  Be certain to step back and take a good, long, and honest look at yourself.

You're only 23, so, don't start saying you won't marry because God would have already sent you the woman to marry.  Please.  You seem hardly old enough to understand what it means to be a father.  Give it some time.

I suggest you stop with the sleeping around....and focus on something else for a while.


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« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2013, 04:45:48 PM »

This thread definitely gets the award for most disturbing thread title.

By the way, can you please clarify something? The thread title says "abortionist whore". Was this female an actual abortionist, or just somebody who has had multiple abortions? And assessing your words so far, it seems that you are equally guilty of "whoredom" and abortion. You had casual sex with a female that you knew was inclined to abortion, and then after she murdered YOUR child, you say you have no guilt or worries about that. So, it seems to me that you and this female share the same callous disregard both for your own bodies and for your own unborn children.

I know that was harsh sounding, but I felt it needed to be said. But now let me encourage you to seek forgiveness and mercy in the sacrament of Confession. Take responsibility for the murder of your own unborn child. Yes, she had the abortion, but your callous disregard for her and for your own sexual purity is what led to that act. It's not like you fought for your child and did all you could to prevent her from killing it.

God is merciful and forgiving. Pray and go to Confession. Please.


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« Reply #55 on: August 23, 2013, 09:06:57 PM »

Think about this one Mr. Holmes.  If you didn't fornicate, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant with your child.  If she didn't get pregnant with your child, she couldn't have had an abortion killing you're child.  See how the guilt is still connected to your sinful actions?  There is another lesson you probably ignore from scripture about how our sins can affect our children.

I'm sorry, but this woman failed to realize her purpose in life and I think I did my part. Yes, I could have done more to try convince her to keep the child, and so if anything you can blame me for that.

I think there is a discussion about this, but the word fornication originally ment prostitution, as well as porneia which is the greek word for it in the bible. The Bible says not to engage in prostitution, and adultery which is breaking the marriage covenant. I cannot find where it says you cannot have sex without a marriage covenant, and as I quoted Eccl 5:4, it is better not to make an oath that you cannot keep.


You are incorrect about almost everything, yet you are still a child of God.  I'll pray for both of you to repent of your sins and to truly seek God in your lives.  Though you both have done horrible things, they are not so horrible God will not forgive you if you truly repent.
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As the father of the unborn child, you had rights to this baby.  If you truly were passionate about it, you would have gone to a lawyer which would have barred her from aborting "your" child.  This has happened before.  There's no reason why you just stood idly by and let her do this.

I guess you don't know too much about abortion laws, then.
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« Reply #57 on: August 24, 2013, 01:19:42 PM »

What makes you think you are not the whore?

What makes you think if desparate situations result from your actions -like greater poverty for a single parent mother and the child and the correlative socio-economic alienation- that this is not on your hands? Or that the blood is not therefore also on your hands which would not have been shed had you saved yourself for a loyal relationship such as the Church blesses because it alone maximizes blessing of possible children produced?
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« Reply #58 on: August 24, 2013, 01:21:28 PM »

What makes you think you are not the whore?

He's neither a woman nor God.  That's why he's not the whore. 
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« Reply #59 on: August 24, 2013, 01:24:03 PM »

What makes you think you are not the whore?

He's neither a woman nor God.  That's why he's not the whore.  
In the OT the term whore was used of males and females. What prevents a male from being a whore?

Why rather than he sleeping "with an abortionist whore" do we not suppose he, acting as the whore, placed a dear lady, in the image of God in a desperate situation whereupon she, like him, made a harmful choice that curses the lives of another or others?
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« Reply #60 on: August 24, 2013, 01:27:38 PM »

What makes you think you are not the whore?

He's neither a woman nor God.  That's why he's not the whore. 

As far as I understand the dictionary definition, it means a person of either sex who performs sex acts for pay, or in slang a person who is wantonly promiscuous. There certainly are some men out there who sell sex too.
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« Reply #61 on: August 24, 2013, 01:27:54 PM »

What makes you think you are not the whore?

He's neither a woman nor God.  That's why he's not the whore. 

Wait....WHA......?

Only women and God can be whores?  Huh
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« Reply #62 on: August 24, 2013, 01:29:15 PM »

This thread gets weirder with every post.  Shocked
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« Reply #63 on: August 24, 2013, 02:10:47 PM »

Why rather than he sleeping "with an abortionist whore" do we not suppose he, acting as the whore, placed a dear lady, in the image of God in a desperate situation whereupon she, like him, made a harmful choice that curses the lives of another or others?

Oh, I agree with you. 

All I'm saying is that Jaroslav, according to his own words, thinks the woman is a whore, that God conceived the child that she aborted (so God bears responsibility in the conception and abortion), but he and his penis are blameless.  So, in Jaroslav's estimation, the woman is definitely a whore and a murderer and so is God.  But Jaroslav is just a good, principled, moral fellow who unfortunately attracts slutty older women and whose God conceives children only to kill them in the womb.

Someone posted earlier that they thought "JamesR" when they first read this thread, but that is really unfair to JamesR.  Compared to this ____, JamesR is St Isaac of Nineveh.     
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« Reply #64 on: August 24, 2013, 02:20:22 PM »

The situation was confusing to me because I didn't really like anything about her yet my feelings forced me to be with her. Having already done two abortions and felt bad about it she asked me before we had sex if I would "be there" if she would become pregnant. I said yes since I take my responsibility for things, and just let the whole issue be up to God whether she becomes pregnant or not. I really don't like the idea of family planning, that is deciding whether or not to have children with someone, since that would mean I, as a human being, decide whether a child is born or not. I like to think God created me and not some people with plans, and therefore I would just like to have a few random children here and there and that is perhaps what made her most upset that I didn't just want her and no one else.

So let me get this straight. You were fornicating but you didn't do family planning because you thought God objects to it?
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« Reply #66 on: August 24, 2013, 03:23:42 PM »

Why rather than he sleeping "with an abortionist whore" do we not suppose he, acting as the whore, placed a dear lady, in the image of God in a desperate situation whereupon she, like him, made a harmful choice that curses the lives of another or others?

Oh, I agree with you. 

All I'm saying is that Jaroslav, according to his own words, thinks the woman is a whore, that God conceived the child that she aborted (so God bears responsibility in the conception and abortion), but he and his penis are blameless.  So, in Jaroslav's estimation, the woman is definitely a whore and a murderer and so is God.  But Jaroslav is just a good, principled, moral fellow who unfortunately attracts slutty older women and whose God conceives children only to kill them in the womb.

"I find that when I think I am asking God to forgive me I am often in reality…asking Him not to forgive me but to excuse me. But there is all the difference in the world between forgiving and excusing. Forgiveness says 'Yes, you have done this thing, but I accept your apology...' But excusing says 'I see that you couldn't help it or didn't mean it; you weren't really to blame.' ...And if we forget this, we shall go away imagining that we have repented and been forgiven when all that has really happened is that we have satisfied ourselves with our own excuses. They may be very bad excuses; we are all too easily satisfied about ourselves."

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Best troll thread yet.
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« Reply #68 on: August 24, 2013, 10:15:25 PM »

... what is going on up in here?  Huh
best post of the thread.  Grin
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« Reply #69 on: August 25, 2013, 05:23:04 PM »

These posts sound like they are from people who are not sinners. If we want to help him it would maybe do better to tell him of our own sins that he may feel welcome among us. Similar to help groups where everyone is in the same boat and they talk about their own experiences .
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« Reply #70 on: August 25, 2013, 06:38:00 PM »

These posts sound like they are from people who are not sinners. If we want to help him it would maybe do better to tell him of our own sins that he may feel welcome among us. Similar to help groups where everyone is in the same boat and they talk about their own experiences .

First step is for him to realize what his sins are and that they are really sins.
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« Reply #71 on: August 25, 2013, 06:45:04 PM »

Oh c'mon!  This is a straight troll thread!  How the heck are any of you taking this seriously?!?!
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« Reply #72 on: August 25, 2013, 07:15:36 PM »

Oh c'mon!  This is a straight troll thread!  How the heck are any of you taking this seriously?!?!

It makes us look holy. 
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« Reply #73 on: August 25, 2013, 08:06:47 PM »

These posts sound like they are from people who are not sinners. If we want to help him it would maybe do better to tell him of our own sins that he may feel welcome among us. Similar to help groups where everyone is in the same boat and they talk about their own experiences .

First step is for him to realize what his sins are and that they are really sins.

Who doesn't ?
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« Reply #74 on: August 25, 2013, 08:34:15 PM »

There are people who are ill informed about the Ten Commandments and the moral law even though they are Orthodox Christians. We cannot judge them, but only hope that by our good example, they will come to the truth.

I knew a lady who came from a post-communist country, the Ukraine.

Since she spent her childhood under atheistic communism, she was never raised in the Orthodox Church, even though her Greek grandmother did baptize her as an infant. When she came to the USA in her 20s with her mother, they both joined a Greek Orthodox Church, studied catechism for one year, and then they were both Chrismated. Believe it or not, during that catechism class, adultery and fornication were never discussed. I guess the priest thought that everyone understood the Ten Commandments!

Anyway, the poorly catechized Greek lady was married outside of the church by a Justice of the Peace because she did not understand that she should have a Holy Crowning. When her priest told her that she was fornicating because she had not been married in the Orthodox Church, and that her marriage needed to be blessed in the Orthodox Church, at first she sought the blessing of the bishop, but suddenly she changed her mind because she said that her "marriage" was now on the rocks anyway. She was upset when the priest penanced her because of her divorce as she was not married in the Church. Several years later, she was allowed to come to Holy Communion.

Then there was another lady in that same class who was born, raised, and married in the USA, but she also was never taught the Ten Commandments due to our very secular education in the USA. She was baptized into the Greek Orthodox Church and continued to use an IUD for birth control because she never mentioned that to the priest. In addition, she was never told that the primary action of the IUD prevents the implantation of a fertilized ovum by creating a hostile chemical environment in the uterus. Thus the IUD is abortifacient. As she was experiencing several horrific miscarriages every year, she thought it strange, but her doctor did not inform her, nor did she did not associate these miscarriages with the IUD.
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« Reply #75 on: August 25, 2013, 08:47:04 PM »

Oh c'mon!  This is a straight troll thread!  How the heck are any of you taking this seriously?!?!

It makes us look holy. 

If we yell "TROLL!" at every post that seems ridiculous, what happens when it's not a troll at all?

Better to give our advice and hope for the best, than not give any advice for fear that we might be "feeding the troll."

There may very well be sheep amongst all the those that seem like goats.

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« Reply #76 on: August 25, 2013, 09:42:15 PM »

It makes us look holy. 

If we yell "TROLL!" at every post that seems ridiculous, what happens when it's not a troll at all?

Better to give our advice and hope for the best, than not give any advice for fear that we might be "feeding the troll."

There may very well be sheep amongst all the those that seem like goats.



By all means, let's take his original posts seriously in the off chance that this is a sheep among the trolls.  But then read the actual posts.  He clearly is not without a moral compass if he's able to recognise that abortion is wrong, that the woman he slept with is immoral and capable of actively choosing to abort, and that God, who should've known better, bears some responsibility in how things turned out because he willed the conception of the child that was aborted.  He's able to recognise wrongdoing in himself because he thinks he could've done more to save the life of the child than what he did, which was to text the "whore". 

And yet, he absolves himself of any significant responsibility because God conceived the child, he had nothing to do with it.  He hasn't committed blasphemy or homosexuality, so he is not without the Holy Spirit.  He reads Scripture and deduces that, if he's not capable of entering into a marriage covenant and remain faithful to it, it is better to fornicate than to enter into a deceitful covenant--fornication, after all, is not prohibited in Scripture.  And on and on...     

Either we are dealing with a troll (and deserves ridicule or to be ignored), or he needs the old country treatment at the hands of the woman's male relatives, friends, neighbours, and well-wishers.  But all this "Be of good cheer, young man, and run into the strong, loving arms of our merciful Jesus" coddling?  Who is that really helping? 
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« Reply #77 on: August 25, 2013, 11:30:11 PM »

Mor, I think I am in love with you.  laugh

It is a very platonic, non-erotic love, but love nontheless.  Grin
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« Reply #78 on: August 25, 2013, 11:35:55 PM »

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.  Romans 13.8 (KJV)

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Mor, I think I am in love with you.  laugh

It is a very platonic, non-erotic love, but love nontheless.  Grin

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« Reply #80 on: August 26, 2013, 01:18:09 AM »

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By the way, can you please clarify something? The thread title says "abortionist whore". Was this female an actual abortionist, or just somebody who has had multiple abortions? And assessing your words so far, it seems that you are equally guilty of "whoredom" and abortion. You had casual sex with a female that you knew was inclined to abortion, and then after she murdered YOUR child, you say you have no guilt or worries about that. So, it seems to me that you and this female share the same callous disregard both for your own bodies and for your own unborn children.

Well I think we have a problem when the father wants to keep the child and the mother doesn't, don't we? After all it's not the father who is responsible for bearing the child, it is the mother! And if the mother doesn't want to take her responsibility, then she will have to take that with God later on I guess.

She's had multiple abortions.

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I know that was harsh sounding, but I felt it needed to be said. But now let me encourage you to seek forgiveness and mercy in the sacrament of Confession. Take responsibility for the murder of your own unborn child. Yes, she had the abortion, but your callous disregard for her and for your own sexual purity is what led to that act. It's not like you fought for your child and did all you could to prevent her from killing it.

Perhaps I could have prevented it, and yet I found the situation disturbing, since she wanted to kil her child, and yet she was the one given the responsibility to care for it. It would have been different if I were the one that had the child in my custody, and someone wanted to kill it.

But let me ask you this question then, did God concieve that child or did he not?

As the father of the unborn child, you had rights to this baby.  If you truly were passionate about it, you would have gone to a lawyer which would have barred her from aborting "your" child.  This has happened before.  There's no reason why you just stood idly by and let her do this.

Furthermore, I'm certain had this woman (not whore) felt loved and secure in her relationship with you, she would most likely have given birth to this child and been happy to raise it within the family you would have afforded her. 

Did you mention that she could simply put the child up for adoption?  Or that you would take him/her after birth?  Did you bother to go with her to the abortion clinic and try to explain to her what she was doing was wrong?

What exactly did you do, to stop the loss of this child?  I hope I am wrong, but, I think you did very little....and yet, you place all the blame on her.  She did't get pregnant by herself.  You played just as big a role in creating that life, as she did.

The child is the responsibility of both parents, not just the mother.

How can you claim to be Orthodox and not understand this?  You seem very judgmental of her and all the other "psychopathic" women you have met.  Perhaps you are looking in the wrong places, or perhaps you are attracting a particular type of woman.  Be certain to step back and take a good, long, and honest look at yourself.

You're only 23, so, don't start saying you won't marry because God would have already sent you the woman to marry.  Please.  You seem hardly old enough to understand what it means to be a father.  Give it some time.

I suggest you stop with the sleeping around....and focus on something else for a while.


What was it Paul said, that basically the only duty women have on this earth is child bearing? As far as I care, abortionist women might as well be rounded up and shot for being to no use at all. So I'm not going to provide anything for these, for lack of a better word, whores. But I admit it's wrong of me to call her a whore, because whores have more dignity.

I live in Sweden, I am not aware of any of those rights.

I'm not sleeping around, I met this deranged nut in a bar that I was in by accident and had pity on her because she lived alone, then she took me to her house, and the following days she would call me every day to come by. But when she became pregnant and I still said I'm not interested in being together with her as a couple, she kicked me out and didn't even want to open the door to talk. But I did say I would provide for her and that she didn't even have to keep the child. But I was now a nightmare for her and she didn't want anything to do with me, especially having a child.

I know exactly what I did wrong though. I was thinking that idiots could get better, and I didn't believe God would put me in a situation like this.
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« Reply #81 on: August 26, 2013, 01:18:09 AM »

Honestly I don't care if it was a sin for me to sleep with her or not, since I don't feel bad about it. If it was a sin I could have told you, Yes, it was a sin because I feel bad about it/convicted in my concsience. This woman however has felt bad doing every abortion she's had including this one, yet she still thinks she has done the right thing all three times. That's when you are a complete retard. She's 30 now and my only hope for her is that she dies childless and alone. The cat she likes so much can give her company.

She sleeps with the lamp on every night because she has demons visiting her, yet she thinks the only reason I believe in God is because I didn't have a father. Does anyone get more stupid than that?
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« Reply #82 on: August 26, 2013, 06:13:39 AM »

Honestly I don't care if it was a sin for me to sleep with her or not, since I don't feel bad about it. If it was a sin I could have told you, Yes, it was a sin because I feel bad about it/convicted in my concsience. This woman however has felt bad doing every abortion she's had including this one, yet she still thinks she has done the right thing all three times. That's when you are a complete retard. She's 30 now and my only hope for her is that she dies childless and alone. The cat she likes so much can give her company.

She sleeps with the lamp on every night because she has demons visiting her, yet she thinks the only reason I believe in God is because I didn't have a father. Does anyone get more stupid than that?

Irony... too thick... can't breathe...
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« Reply #83 on: August 26, 2013, 09:14:17 AM »

Did this thread come out of the Twilight Zone?
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« Reply #84 on: August 26, 2013, 09:15:37 AM »

Did this thread come out of the Twilight Zone?

No, from One Step Beyond.
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« Reply #85 on: August 26, 2013, 09:20:43 AM »

Did this thread come out of the Twilight Zone?

No, from One Step Beyond.

One Step Beyond The Twilight Zone?  WOWZER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That explains soooo much of what has been written here.  Thank you!!!  God bless you!!
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« Reply #86 on: August 26, 2013, 09:23:52 AM »

Did this thread come out of the Twilight Zone?

No, from One Step Beyond.

One Step Beyond The Twilight Zone?  WOWZER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That explains soooo much of what has been written here.  Thank you!!!  God bless you!!
You're welcome!  Actually, this thread and enlightenment is brought to you by ALCOA...
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« Reply #87 on: August 26, 2013, 10:42:21 AM »

Honestly I don't care if it was a sin for me to sleep with her or not, since I don't feel bad about it. If it was a sin I could have told you, Yes, it was a sin because I feel bad about it/convicted in my concsience. This woman however has felt bad doing every abortion she's had including this one, yet she still thinks she has done the right thing all three times. That's when you are a complete retard. She's 30 now and my only hope for her is that she dies childless and alone. The cat she likes so much can give her company.

She sleeps with the lamp on every night because she has demons visiting her, yet she thinks the only reason I believe in God is because I didn't have a father. Does anyone get more stupid than that?

Irony... too thick... can't breathe...

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« Reply #89 on: August 27, 2013, 05:47:07 PM »

Did this thread come out of the Twilight Zone?

No Michael.  If some people would spend less time on the internet and get out an really talk to people, they would see that the OP is not alone, nor is it the worst of what is said and believed by many people - even those claiming to be Orthodox.  These people cry out to us in their own way, and that way is not always what we expect or what we are comfortalble with.  It is so much easier to sit on a computer and let the world know how holy we are than it is to actually confront another human being face to face as Christ did, and to accept and help them regardless of what is said the first few times around.  I hope the OP finds what he is looking for.
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