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« on: August 22, 2013, 07:22:09 PM »

and she became pregnant and made an abortion.

The situation was confusing to me because I didn't really like anything about her yet my feelings forced me to be with her. Having already done two abortions and felt bad about it she asked me before we had sex if I would "be there" if she would become pregnant. I said yes since I take my responsibility for things, and just let the whole issue be up to God whether she becomes pregnant or not. I really don't like the idea of family planning, that is deciding whether or not to have children with someone, since that would mean I, as a human being, decide whether a child is born or not. I like to think God created me and not some people with plans, and therefore I would just like to have a few random children here and there and that is perhaps what made her most upset that I didn't just want her and no one else.

All women I know of so far are psychopaths, they seek a man to own and a man to be their God that gives them everything they need, basically a slave yet a slave that also has all the wealth to give her.

Anyway, I don't really know how to deal with this issue. I tried to tell her to keep it but she kicked me out because of that, saying I am trying to dominate her and laden her with guilt because I said it is not right for her to do it. But at the same time, it struck me that here is a woman that wants to kill her own child and how can anyone expect one such to bear one, or even deserve to be the mother of one? So I eventually texted her that even if she bears the child I will not let here keep it, but I don't know if she read that.

I don't think I need to be blamed for having sex with her and I don't feel bad about it as far as I can see, because in that case we might as well blame God for having concieved that child. It was aborted at about the fourth week.
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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2013, 07:26:01 PM »

It struck me today that technically, we could call murder for postnatal abortion. However I've had the question of when does the soul actually get bound to the body. Consider for instance that the bible says the life is in the blood. That means that before there is any blood in the fetus, there can't be any life in it. But of course I recognize that any kind of abortion is just as disrespectful.
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2013, 07:31:43 PM »

I knew someone who had 6 abortions and wanted another one because she really enjoyed it. She ended up getting pregnant again but kept it, strange.

Did you really want the baby?
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2013, 07:33:05 PM »

I've had the Orthodox baptism and chrismation, doesn't that make me orthodox? What grounds does the orthodox church has to say sex without the marriage covenant is a sin?

"When you make a promise to God, don’t fail to keep it, since he isn’t pleased with fools. Keep what you promise— it’s better that you don’t promise than that you do promise and not follow through." - Eccl 5:4

So not having a marriage covenant and thus not be able to break it is alot wiser than having a marriage covenant and breaking it.
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2013, 07:38:34 PM »

I've had the Orthodox baptism and chrismation, doesn't that make me orthodox?

You answered that question for yourself:

How's that for humility?

Looking at Orthodoxy, I would say the religion is about being ignorant and apathetic to what is happening in the world, beating yourself up and not becoming particurarily good at anything.

can someone close this thread please? This is getting ridiculous...

You make me ashamed for even considering orthodoxy. I'd imagine the Fathers to be as deluded as you, otherwise we wouldn't actually be in this mess.

Haha! Keep kissing those icons to perpetuate your ignorance while the government sharpens his sword at you and everything you pretend to stand for.

Plenty of brothers are aware of it though. They think the mark of the beast is the microchip (another thing you should look up) but it's not really. I think the mark is the initiation of the kundalini or the eight head of the seven headed chakra beast, but I might be wrong. (also why the Harlot is the soul of a witch).

But I think another Nero is good to wake up a few sleeping Christians. Or Hitler or Stalin or Mao or Kim Jong or...

You're living on a cloud, boy (and I do assume you are a boy).

I wonder if maybe a better question may be this:

Why do you see the government as intrinsically relying on extortion and slavery, and therefore an intrinsically wicked system, especially considering that the Church has seen it otherwise?

Tax is extortion. I took away the slavery part, but the oppression comes in various ways.

If the Church sees it otherwise, it's rather deluded I must say. May I say happily deluded.

As for the OP...
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Notice that the medal of honor is also broken by a circle in the middle, the circle itself being some kind of occult addition.

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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2013, 07:45:47 PM »

Did you really want the baby?

First I had a vision/day dream of a child that was happy to see me when I picked it up from kinder garden and that made me very touched, then I had another one where a girl with features from me and the woman in her face whom I thought was beautiful (although I don't really think the woman is particurarily beautiful, maybe sometimes), and that again moved me to the point where I shed some tears. However this latter part has also happened with another woman and with the sensory image of another child.

So all in all, I think it would be fun to have a child since I too have a lot of childish humor and a lot of patience, and I don't see why I would appreciate this child any less. But again I don't know if I want to have anything to do with a woman, maybe live together for a while but defenitely not get married, and that is what made her the most upset and not like me, although she has the spirituality of a witch [unity of opposites, which makes her basically retarded in all that she says and does] and not a Christian.
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2013, 07:49:01 PM »

Maybe if you stop saying hateful things and stay away from people, when you know you have no business being with them, things might actually be better for you.

Otherwise, I refuse to listen to this crap any further. Somebody lock this thread before I stick a pen in my eye and die.
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2013, 07:49:53 PM »

I've had the Orthodox baptism and chrismation, doesn't that make me orthodox?

In the private message you sent me on Feb 19 2012 you wrote you are "completely unable to trust it [Orthodoxy]". You answered that question for yourself.

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The orthodox church is the most sensible church I know of so far, but I am still skeptical about it and do go alot on my own. But again, the Father who chrismated me said only two things will make the spirit depart from me, blasphemy and homosexuality, so I think I'm safe.
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2013, 07:50:48 PM »

Who else saw the thread title and immediately thought "JamesR"?

I did.
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2013, 07:50:53 PM »

Oh so this isn't really about the girl having an abortion.
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2013, 07:51:56 PM »

Maybe if you stop saying hateful things and stay away from people, when you know you have no business being with them, things might actually be better for you.

Otherwise, I refuse to listen to this crap any further. Somebody lock this thread before I stick a pen in my eye and die.

Hey I thought she wouldn't do abortion given what she asked me and how she felt about her previous abortions. But then she found intense dislike for me and simply said she did not want a child with me, although previously she would call me everyday to ask me to come by and give her company.
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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2013, 07:55:13 PM »

Oh so this isn't really about the girl having an abortion.

Why would it be about her? She has deluded herself and keeps deluding herself, it's even pathetic to see how she lies against her own conscience when you speak to her. But you can pray for her if you want, I've asked alot of others for that even before she made the abortion.

But as far as this topic goes, my problem is that I don't understand the situation entirely.
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I've had the Orthodox baptism and chrismation, doesn't that make me orthodox?

In the private message you sent me on Feb 19 2012 you wrote you are "completely unable to trust it [Orthodoxy]". You answered that question for yourself.

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The orthodox church is the most sensible church I know of so far, but I am still skeptical about it and do go alot on my own. But again, the Father who chrismated me said only two things will make the spirit depart from me, blasphemy and homosexuality, so I think I'm safe.
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2013, 09:08:56 PM »

But as far as this topic goes, my problem is that I don't understand the situation entirely.

I'll say. 

So if you slept with an abortionist whore, what did she sleep with? 

The situation was confusing to me because I didn't really like anything about her yet my feelings forced me to be with her.

Oh, that's what she slept with.  Got it. 

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Having already done two abortions and felt bad about it she asked me before we had sex if I would "be there" if she would become pregnant. I said yes since I take my responsibility for things, and just let the whole issue be up to God whether she becomes pregnant or not.

What things do you take responsibility for?  Apparently, not your penis.       

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I really don't like the idea of family planning, that is deciding whether or not to have children with someone, since that would mean I, as a human being, decide whether a child is born or not. I like to think God created me and not some people with plans, and therefore I would just like to have a few random children here and there and that is perhaps what made her most upset that I didn't just want her and no one else.

You know, I don't condone abortion.  But if she kept that baby, you'd be his/her father.  That scares the crap out of me.   

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All women I know of so far are psychopaths, they seek a man to own and a man to be their God that gives them everything they need, basically a slave yet a slave that also has all the wealth to give her.

All the Jaroslav Kourakins you know must also be psychopaths.   

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Anyway, I don't really know how to deal with this issue.

Go to a local hospital emergency room and read the contents of your posts in this thread to the clerk at the desk.  They'll know how to deal with this issue. 

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I tried to tell her to keep it but she kicked me out because of that, saying I am trying to dominate her and laden her with guilt because I said it is not right for her to do it. But at the same time, it struck me that here is a woman that wants to kill her own child and how can anyone expect one such to bear one, or even deserve to be the mother of one? So I eventually texted her that even if she bears the child I will not let here keep it, but I don't know if she read that.

You wouldn't have done any better than she would.  You can't manage your own penis, and you think you could handle a child?

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I don't think I need to be blamed for having sex with her and I don't feel bad about it as far as I can see, because in that case we might as well blame God for having concieved that child. It was aborted at about the fourth week.

I am in no position to judge any person, I have my own sins for which to atone.  But you have problems.  Really, you should get help.  I am holding back the rest of what I want to say. 
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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2013, 09:29:25 PM »

Lord have mercy. I will pray for you and for that girl.

Please go to your priest, and humbly beg him to help you come to the Truth, which is Christ.

Christ will forgive you for sleeping with this girl and fathering a child out of wedlock, but you need to seek instruction in the Holy Orthodox Church. Have you ever discussed with a priest what it means to be an Orthodox Christian?

With your Holy Baptism, you have incurred certain responsibilities. You need to learn how to set a good example. By setting a bad example, you can be unknowingly leading many to hell, and for that you will be responsible. Fornication (having sex with anyone outside of marriage) is wrong. Your salvation is in extreme danger. Please go see a priest.

Physically speaking, you need to also seek help. Not only could you get bad cases of sexually transmitted disease from just one encounter with a whore, but also you could transmit these diseases to a beautiful women with whom you later fall in love and wish to marry. Think not only of your future, but also of your future wife's future. You may already have a disease which can cause your future wife to contract cancer, so it is important that you go to a good medical doctor and have tests run.
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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2013, 10:03:39 PM »

Excuse me, but she is not a "whore" any more than you are, Jaroslav. You both participated in the sex that made this baby that clearly neither of you are prepared to be responsible for. All that calling her names on the internet does is add a further sad, irresponsible dimension to this already tragic situation. Lord have mercy on all involved, and heal them, and especially care for the soul of the child.
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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2013, 10:06:37 PM »

Maybe if you stop saying hateful things and stay away from people, when you know you have no business being with them, things might actually be better for you.

Otherwise, I refuse to listen to this crap any further. Somebody lock this thread before I stick a pen in my eye and die.

Hey I thought she wouldn't do abortion given what she asked me and how she felt about her previous abortions. But then she found intense dislike for me and simply said she did not want a child with me, although previously she would call me everyday to ask me to come by and give her company.

I'm confused. She's kind of needy for a whore.
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« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2013, 10:08:32 PM »

I am going to pretend this entire thing is a really bad attempt at a joke, because it is isn't I would probably get perma-banned for writing some really offensive stuff.

In other news...

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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2013, 10:09:38 PM »

And this is why we are commanded to have sexual relations only in the sacrament of marriage.

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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2013, 10:12:55 PM »

And this is why we are commanded to have sexual relations only in the sacrament of marriage.

Which brings up the question of when a marriage is no longer a marriage. But that's perhaps another thread...
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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2013, 10:14:52 PM »

And this is why we are commanded to have sexual relations only in the sacrament of marriage.

Which brings up the question of when a marriage is no longer a marriage. But that's perhaps another thread...
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And this is why we are commanded to have sexual relations only in the sacrament of marriage.

Which brings up the question of when a marriage is no longer a marriage. But that's perhaps another thread...
It is, but worth fighting talking about.
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« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2013, 10:24:26 PM »

I am going to pretend this entire thing is a really bad attempt at a joke, because it is isn't I would probably get perma-banned for writing some really offensive stuff.

In other news...


The Scriptures don't mention lobotomies, sooo...
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« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2013, 12:49:41 AM »

Jesus said the only sin not forgiven is speaking against the holy spirit. In many discussions with Orthodox priests over many years the only sin that they have said other than that is suicide, only because you cannot ask for forgiveness afterward.

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Yes, but I don't know what he meant exactly, because he said I could lose the Spirit but get it back again through chrismation, which I had already done because I had a protestant baptism, but this could only be done 2-3 times.
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« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2013, 12:49:41 AM »

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So if you slept with an abortionist whore, what did she sleep with?  


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What things do you take responsibility for?  Apparently, not your penis.
     

I think I did exactly what was natural to do with my penis.  

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All the Jaroslav Kourakins you know must also be psychopaths.

Because I have sex and take responsibility for my children?

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You wouldn't have done any better than she would.  You can't manage your own penis, and you think you could handle a child?

Yet my penis is the reason the child exists?



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« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2013, 12:49:41 AM »

Lord have mercy. I will pray for you and for that girl.

Please go to your priest, and humbly beg him to help you come to the Truth, which is Christ.

Christ will forgive you for sleeping with this girl and fathering a child out of wedlock, but you need to seek instruction in the Holy Orthodox Church. Have you ever discussed with a priest what it means to be an Orthodox Christian?

With your Holy Baptism, you have incurred certain responsibilities. You need to learn how to set a good example. By setting a bad example, you can be unknowingly leading many to hell, and for that you will be responsible. Fornication (having sex with anyone outside of marriage) is wrong. Your salvation is in extreme danger. Please go see a priest.

I'll go to a priest on sunday I think, don't know if I have time tomorrow, but as it was last time I went to him he said it plainly, if I don't feel remorse or regret for my sin then there is not point in coming to confession. And that was perhaps a year ago. Regarding this issue I still don't know what I feel. I grew up together with my mother without my father and have nothing to complain about, nor did I ever think I missed my father or wished to see him. I know he could have provided many good things for my upbringing, and I will certainly provide my children that, but I don't pity myself because no one did. I think I did well on my own and could have done better if I weren't such a coward.

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Physically speaking, you need to also seek help. Not only could you get bad cases of sexually transmitted disease from just one encounter with a whore, but also you could transmit these diseases to a beautiful women with whom you later fall in love and wish to marry. Think not only of your future, but also of your future wife's future. You may already have a disease which can cause your future wife to contract cancer, so it is important that you go to a good medical doctor and have tests run.

She wasn't actually a whore, I just call her that because she wants sex but disregards the purpose of sex, even so much she is willing to kill her own offspring having it. Trust me, if I knew she would have done abortion I would never have slept with her and I told her how much I dislike people who do it. We lived together for a while until she kicked me out as I said.
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I will tell you damn sure that if I ever meet a woman I want to marry then that is a miracle. But if that is God's plan, why haven't I met her already? I'm 23, and this woman is 30, and I felt pity for her since she lives alone with hardly any good friends and no relatives she likes. So I thought it would fit her to have a child, but she apparently cares more about her cat than her children so that was apparently a stupid thought. Maybe God intended her to be saved/converted through our relationship, or atleast I was expecting the child to be born by miracle for a while, and so she could have done something useful in her life. I don't know, I felt bad leaving her at times and we actually got along together well in the beginning. 
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Excuse me, but she is not a "whore" any more than you are, Jaroslav. You both participated in the sex that made this baby that clearly neither of you are prepared to be responsible for. All that calling her names on the internet does is add a further sad, irresponsible dimension to this already tragic situation. Lord have mercy on all involved, and heal them, and especially care for the soul of the child.

I'm sorry, but just because I don't want to be her pet does not mean she has the right to do abortion to my child. She would also threaten me at times by saying she would do abortion when I did something she did not like, and that only a whore does.
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And this is why we are commanded to have sexual relations only in the sacrament of marriage.

Sure, but consider, as some just pointed out, that the soul of that child exists, then I must be it's father? So if I can be a father without marriage, then what do I need marriage for?

Now, unfortunately, this child had a psychopathic mother that killed it. I don't know what I should do about that.
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And this is why we are commanded to have sexual relations only in the sacrament of marriage.

Sure, but consider, as some just pointed out, that the soul of that child exists, then I must be it's father? So if I can be a father without marriage, then what do I need marriage for?

The soul mumbojumbo has absolutely nothing to do with marriage, but to answer your question, Because God Commanded It and said to do otherwise is sinful...end of story, no sequel, no trilogy, no Lifetime TV series.

If you are going to live your life ignoring what you don't like and doing what you want anyway, stop pretending to care about God.  It's better to be cold than lukewarm, but you probably ignored that lesson from the scriptures as well.  

If she is a whore, you are a whoremonger; however, unless you paid her its the wrong word to use.  Her murdering a child doesn't justify your fornication and willful disobedience.  It's completely separate and her sin on top of the fornication you are also guilty of.  God doesn't play children's games even if you do.  

Think about this one Mr. Holmes.  If you didn't fornicate, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant with your child.  If she didn't get pregnant with your child, she couldn't have had an abortion killing you're child.  See how the guilt is still connected to your sinful actions?  There is another lesson you probably ignore from scripture about how our sins can affect our children.  

What should you do?  Other than keep it in your pants, nothing else you can do except prevent yourself from having sex outside marriage.

Accept some responsibilty.  Just sayin...
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« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2013, 04:07:18 AM »

This thread definitely gets the award for most disturbing thread title.

By the way, can you please clarify something? The thread title says "abortionist whore". Was this female an actual abortionist, or just somebody who has had multiple abortions? And assessing your words so far, it seems that you are equally guilty of "whoredom" and abortion. You had casual sex with a female that you knew was inclined to abortion, and then after she murdered YOUR child, you say you have no guilt or worries about that. So, it seems to me that you and this female share the same callous disregard both for your own bodies and for your own unborn children.

I know that was harsh sounding, but I felt it needed to be said. But now let me encourage you to seek forgiveness and mercy in the sacrament of Confession. Take responsibility for the murder of your own unborn child. Yes, she had the abortion, but your callous disregard for her and for your own sexual purity is what led to that act. It's not like you fought for your child and did all you could to prevent her from killing it.

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It struck me today that technically, we could call murder for postnatal abortion.

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By the way, can you please clarify something? The thread title says "abortionist whore". Was this female an actual abortionist, or just somebody who has had multiple abortions? And assessing your words so far, it seems that you are equally guilty of "whoredom" and abortion. You had casual sex with a female that you knew was inclined to abortion, and then after she murdered YOUR child, you say you have no guilt or worries about that. So, it seems to me that you and this female share the same callous disregard both for your own bodies and for your own unborn children.

Well I think we have a problem when the father wants to keep the child and the mother doesn't, don't we? After all it's not the father who is responsible for bearing the child, it is the mother! And if the mother doesn't want to take her responsibility, then she will have to take that with God later on I guess.

She's had multiple abortions.

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I know that was harsh sounding, but I felt it needed to be said. But now let me encourage you to seek forgiveness and mercy in the sacrament of Confession. Take responsibility for the murder of your own unborn child. Yes, she had the abortion, but your callous disregard for her and for your own sexual purity is what led to that act. It's not like you fought for your child and did all you could to prevent her from killing it.

Perhaps I could have prevented it, and yet I found the situation disturbing, since she wanted to kil her child, and yet she was the one given the responsibility to care for it. It would have been different if I were the one that had the child in my custody, and someone wanted to kill it.

But let me ask you this question then, did God concieve that child or did he not?
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Think about this one Mr. Holmes.  If you didn't fornicate, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant with your child.  If she didn't get pregnant with your child, she couldn't have had an abortion killing you're child.  See how the guilt is still connected to your sinful actions?  There is another lesson you probably ignore from scripture about how our sins can affect our children.

I'm sorry, but this woman failed to realize her purpose in life and I think I did my part. Yes, I could have done more to try convince her to keep the child, and so if anything you can blame me for that.

I think there is a discussion about this, but the word fornication originally ment prostitution, as well as porneia which is the greek word for it in the bible. The Bible says not to engage in prostitution, and adultery which is breaking the marriage covenant. I cannot find where it says you cannot have sex without a marriage covenant, and as I quoted Eccl 5:4, it is better not to make an oath that you cannot keep.

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By the way, can you please clarify something? The thread title says "abortionist whore". Was this female an actual abortionist, or just somebody who has had multiple abortions? And assessing your words so far, it seems that you are equally guilty of "whoredom" and abortion. You had casual sex with a female that you knew was inclined to abortion, and then after she murdered YOUR child, you say you have no guilt or worries about that. So, it seems to me that you and this female share the same callous disregard both for your own bodies and for your own unborn children.

Well I think we have a problem when the father wants to keep the child and the mother doesn't, don't we? After all it's not the father who is responsible for bearing the child, it is the mother! And if the mother doesn't want to take her responsibility, then she will have to take that with God later on I guess.

She's had multiple abortions.

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I know that was harsh sounding, but I felt it needed to be said. But now let me encourage you to seek forgiveness and mercy in the sacrament of Confession. Take responsibility for the murder of your own unborn child. Yes, she had the abortion, but your callous disregard for her and for your own sexual purity is what led to that act. It's not like you fought for your child and did all you could to prevent her from killing it.

Perhaps I could have prevented it, and yet I found the situation disturbing, since she wanted to kil her child, and yet she was the one given the responsibility to care for it. It would have been different if I were the one that had the child in my custody, and someone wanted to kill it.

But let me ask you this question then, did God concieve that child or did he not?
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By the way, can you please clarify something? The thread title says "abortionist whore". Was this female an actual abortionist, or just somebody who has had multiple abortions? And assessing your words so far, it seems that you are equally guilty of "whoredom" and abortion. You had casual sex with a female that you knew was inclined to abortion, and then after she murdered YOUR child, you say you have no guilt or worries about that. So, it seems to me that you and this female share the same callous disregard both for your own bodies and for your own unborn children.

Well I think we have a problem when the father wants to keep the child and the mother doesn't, don't we? After all it's not the father who is responsible for bearing the child, it is the mother! And if the mother doesn't want to take her responsibility, then she will have to take that with God later on I guess.

She's had multiple abortions.

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I know that was harsh sounding, but I felt it needed to be said. But now let me encourage you to seek forgiveness and mercy in the sacrament of Confession. Take responsibility for the murder of your own unborn child. Yes, she had the abortion, but your callous disregard for her and for your own sexual purity is what led to that act. It's not like you fought for your child and did all you could to prevent her from killing it.

Perhaps I could have prevented it, and yet I found the situation disturbing, since she wanted to kil her child, and yet she was the one given the responsibility to care for it. It would have been different if I were the one that had the child in my custody, and someone wanted to kill it.

But let me ask you this question then, did God concieve that child or did he not?

If she has had multiple abortions, then she is a murderer.
Did she abort this child after it was born?

Either way, you knew that she has had multiple abortions, and that she might be carrying various sexually transmitted diseases. Get yourself checked by a physician (for an STD). And then, please go and talk with your priest. You need instruction in the Holy Faith in order to see the sins you have committed in fathering a child with an abortionist.
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Think about this one Mr. Holmes.  If you didn't fornicate, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant with your child.  If she didn't get pregnant with your child, she couldn't have had an abortion killing you're child.  See how the guilt is still connected to your sinful actions?  There is another lesson you probably ignore from scripture about how our sins can affect our children.

I'm sorry, but this woman failed to realize her purpose in life and I think I did my part. Yes, I could have done more to try convince her to keep the child, and so if anything you can blame me for that.

I think there is a discussion about this, but the word fornication originally ment prostitution, as well as porneia which is the greek word for it in the bible. The Bible says not to engage in prostitution, and adultery which is breaking the marriage covenant. I cannot find where it says you cannot have sex without a marriage covenant, and as I quoted Eccl 5:4, it is better not to make an oath that you cannot keep.



Anyone else notice the huge irony of having the topic about sleeping with a whore and then arguing that it was ok because the Bible condemns prostitution instead of premarital sex.

No one?  Maybe it is just me.  Roll Eyes
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Think about this one Mr. Holmes.  If you didn't fornicate, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant with your child.  If she didn't get pregnant with your child, she couldn't have had an abortion killing you're child.  See how the guilt is still connected to your sinful actions?  There is another lesson you probably ignore from scripture about how our sins can affect our children.

I'm sorry, but this woman failed to realize her purpose in life and I think I did my part. Yes, I could have done more to try convince her to keep the child, and so if anything you can blame me for that.

I think there is a discussion about this, but the word fornication originally ment prostitution, as well as porneia which is the greek word for it in the bible. The Bible says not to engage in prostitution, and adultery which is breaking the marriage covenant. I cannot find where it says you cannot have sex without a marriage covenant, and as I quoted Eccl 5:4, it is better not to make an oath that you cannot keep.



Anyone else notice the huge irony of having the topic about sleeping with a whore and then arguing that it was ok because the Bible condemns prostitution instead of premarital sex.

No one?  Maybe it is just me.  Roll Eyes

Maybe you're the only one who's bothered to read the thread??
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Think about this one Mr. Holmes.  If you didn't fornicate, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant with your child.  If she didn't get pregnant with your child, she couldn't have had an abortion killing you're child.  See how the guilt is still connected to your sinful actions?  There is another lesson you probably ignore from scripture about how our sins can affect our children.

I'm sorry, but this woman failed to realize her purpose in life and I think I did my part. Yes, I could have done more to try convince her to keep the child, and so if anything you can blame me for that.

I think there is a discussion about this, but the word fornication originally ment prostitution, as well as porneia which is the greek word for it in the bible. The Bible says not to engage in prostitution, and adultery which is breaking the marriage covenant. I cannot find where it says you cannot have sex without a marriage covenant, and as I quoted Eccl 5:4, it is better not to make an oath that you cannot keep.



Anyone else notice the huge irony of having the topic about sleeping with a whore and then arguing that it was ok because the Bible condemns prostitution instead of premarital sex.

No one?  Maybe it is just me.  Roll Eyes

Maybe you're the only one who's bothered to read the thread??
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Think about this one Mr. Holmes.  If you didn't fornicate, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant with your child.  If she didn't get pregnant with your child, she couldn't have had an abortion killing you're child.  See how the guilt is still connected to your sinful actions?  There is another lesson you probably ignore from scripture about how our sins can affect our children.

I'm sorry, but this woman failed to realize her purpose in life and I think I did my part. Yes, I could have done more to try convince her to keep the child, and so if anything you can blame me for that.

I think there is a discussion about this, but the word fornication originally ment prostitution, as well as porneia which is the greek word for it in the bible. The Bible says not to engage in prostitution, and adultery which is breaking the marriage covenant. I cannot find where it says you cannot have sex without a marriage covenant, and as I quoted Eccl 5:4, it is better not to make an oath that you cannot keep.



Anyone else notice the huge irony of having the topic about sleeping with a whore and then arguing that it was ok because the Bible condemns prostitution instead of premarital sex.

No one?  Maybe it is just me.  Roll Eyes

Fornication includes pre-marital sex and prostitution. Adultery is similar but involves married people who cheat and are unfaithful to their own spouses. St. Paul in his epistles, especially to the Romans, encourages the faithful to avoid any sexual immorality, including fornication, homosexuality, and adultery.

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You need instruction in the Holy Faith in order to see the sins you have committed in fathering a child with an to be taken out to the back and beaten by the male relatives of the abortionist.

I fixed it for you, Maria.  We must emphasise orthopraxis, not just orthodoxy.  The sensus fidelium of traditionally Orthodox cultures would not tolerate anything less. 
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You need instruction in the Holy Faith in order to see the sins you have committed in fathering a child with an to be taken out to the back and beaten by the male relatives of the abortionist.

I fixed it for you, Maria.  We must emphasise orthopraxis, not just orthodoxy.  The sensus fidelium of traditionally Orthodox cultures would not tolerate anything less. 
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« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2013, 03:00:59 PM »

and she became pregnant and made an abortion.

The situation was confusing to me because I didn't really like anything about her yet my feelings forced me to be with her. Having already done two abortions and felt bad about it she asked me before we had sex if I would "be there" if she would become pregnant. I said yes since I take my responsibility for things, and just let the whole issue be up to God whether she becomes pregnant or not. I really don't like the idea of family planning, that is deciding whether or not to have children with someone, since that would mean I, as a human being, decide whether a child is born or not. I like to think God created me and not some people with plans, and therefore I would just like to have a few random children here and there and that is perhaps what made her most upset that I didn't just want her and no one else.

All women I know of so far are psychopaths, they seek a man to own and a man to be their God that gives them everything they need, basically a slave yet a slave that also has all the wealth to give her.

Anyway, I don't really know how to deal with this issue. I tried to tell her to keep it but she kicked me out because of that, saying I am trying to dominate her and laden her with guilt because I said it is not right for her to do it. But at the same time, it struck me that here is a woman that wants to kill her own child and how can anyone expect one such to bear one, or even deserve to be the mother of one? So I eventually texted her that even if she bears the child I will not let here keep it, but I don't know if she read that.

I don't think I need to be blamed for having sex with her and I don't feel bad about it as far as I can see, because in that case we might as well blame God for having concieved that child. It was aborted at about the fourth week.
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My dear brother, I am not a priest.   I am only a sinner, so please forgive me. 

The holy Apostle Paul says that our body is a temple of the Holy Spirit.   God commands us to abstain from fornication because that is for our own good.  Any number of grievous results can come from this sin, including the ruining of relationships and the separation of physical attraction from real love.  From such sins can come all manner of poisoned fruit. 

The holy fathers tell us to flee from our passions and to conquer them through prayer and fasting.  Then we will find salvation through our Lord Jesus, who like us was tempted in all manner of things yet did not sin. 

The Lord himself says, Before you complain about the speck in your brother's eye, first remove the log from your own eye. 

My brother, I beg you, for love of your own soul, to reflect whether through failure to flee an impure passion you not only fell into sin, but also facilitated a woman to kill a child from despair.  Remember how our Lord treated the woman taken in adultery, and Pray for this woman that she moght be healed.   Pray that our Lord will take your chikd into His arms.  And go to a priest for saving penance and absolution. 

Forgive me for daring to say this, but you have moved me to do so.  I pray for you. 
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By the way, can you please clarify something? The thread title says "abortionist whore". Was this female an actual abortionist, or just somebody who has had multiple abortions? And assessing your words so far, it seems that you are equally guilty of "whoredom" and abortion. You had casual sex with a female that you knew was inclined to abortion, and then after she murdered YOUR child, you say you have no guilt or worries about that. So, it seems to me that you and this female share the same callous disregard both for your own bodies and for your own unborn children.

Well I think we have a problem when the father wants to keep the child and the mother doesn't, don't we? After all it's not the father who is responsible for bearing the child, it is the mother! And if the mother doesn't want to take her responsibility, then she will have to take that with God later on I guess.

She's had multiple abortions.

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I know that was harsh sounding, but I felt it needed to be said. But now let me encourage you to seek forgiveness and mercy in the sacrament of Confession. Take responsibility for the murder of your own unborn child. Yes, she had the abortion, but your callous disregard for her and for your own sexual purity is what led to that act. It's not like you fought for your child and did all you could to prevent her from killing it.

Perhaps I could have prevented it, and yet I found the situation disturbing, since she wanted to kil her child, and yet she was the one given the responsibility to care for it. It would have been different if I were the one that had the child in my custody, and someone wanted to kill it.

But let me ask you this question then, did God concieve that child or did he not?

As the father of the unborn child, you had rights to this baby.  If you truly were passionate about it, you would have gone to a lawyer which would have barred her from aborting "your" child.  This has happened before.  There's no reason why you just stood idly by and let her do this.

Furthermore, I'm certain had this woman (not whore) felt loved and secure in her relationship with you, she would most likely have given birth to this child and been happy to raise it within the family you would have afforded her. 

Did you mention that she could simply put the child up for adoption?  Or that you would take him/her after birth?  Did you bother to go with her to the abortion clinic and try to explain to her what she was doing was wrong?

What exactly did you do, to stop the loss of this child?  I hope I am wrong, but, I think you did very little....and yet, you place all the blame on her.  She did't get pregnant by herself.  You played just as big a role in creating that life, as she did.

The child is the responsibility of both parents, not just the mother.

How can you claim to be Orthodox and not understand this?  You seem very judgmental of her and all the other "psychopathic" women you have met.  Perhaps you are looking in the wrong places, or perhaps you are attracting a particular type of woman.  Be certain to step back and take a good, long, and honest look at yourself.

You're only 23, so, don't start saying you won't marry because God would have already sent you the woman to marry.  Please.  You seem hardly old enough to understand what it means to be a father.  Give it some time.

I suggest you stop with the sleeping around....and focus on something else for a while.
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My dear brother, I am not a priest.   I am only a sinner, so please forgive me. 

The holy Apostle Paul says that our body is a temple of the Holy Spirit.   God commands us to abstain from fornication because that is for our own good.  Any number of grievous results can come from this sin, including the ruining of relationships and the separation of physical attraction from real love.  From such sins can come all manner of poisoned fruit. 

The holy fathers tell us to flee from our passions and to conquer them through prayer and fasting.  Then we will find salvation through our Lord Jesus, who like us was tempted in all manner of things yet did not sin. 

The Lord himself says, Before you complain about the speck in your brother's eye, first remove the log from your own eye. 

My brother, I beg you, for love of your own soul, to reflect whether through failure to flee an impure passion you not only fell into sin, but also facilitated a woman to kill a child from despair.  Remember how our Lord treated the woman taken in adultery, and Pray for this woman that she moght be healed.   Pray that our Lord will take your chikd into His arms.  And go to a priest for saving penance and absolution. 

Forgive me for daring to say this, but you have moved me to do so.  I pray for you. 

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By the way, can you please clarify something? The thread title says "abortionist whore". Was this female an actual abortionist, or just somebody who has had multiple abortions? And assessing your words so far, it seems that you are equally guilty of "whoredom" and abortion. You had casual sex with a female that you knew was inclined to abortion, and then after she murdered YOUR child, you say you have no guilt or worries about that. So, it seems to me that you and this female share the same callous disregard both for your own bodies and for your own unborn children.

Well I think we have a problem when the father wants to keep the child and the mother doesn't, don't we? After all it's not the father who is responsible for bearing the child, it is the mother! And if the mother doesn't want to take her responsibility, then she will have to take that with God later on I guess.

She's had multiple abortions.

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I know that was harsh sounding, but I felt it needed to be said. But now let me encourage you to seek forgiveness and mercy in the sacrament of Confession. Take responsibility for the murder of your own unborn child. Yes, she had the abortion, but your callous disregard for her and for your own sexual purity is what led to that act. It's not like you fought for your child and did all you could to prevent her from killing it.

Perhaps I could have prevented it, and yet I found the situation disturbing, since she wanted to kil her child, and yet she was the one given the responsibility to care for it. It would have been different if I were the one that had the child in my custody, and someone wanted to kill it.

But let me ask you this question then, did God concieve that child or did he not?

As the father of the unborn child, you had rights to this baby.  If you truly were passionate about it, you would have gone to a lawyer which would have barred her from aborting "your" child.  This has happened before.  There's no reason why you just stood idly by and let her do this.

Furthermore, I'm certain had this woman (not whore) felt loved and secure in her relationship with you, she would most likely have given birth to this child and been happy to raise it within the family you would have afforded her. 

Did you mention that she could simply put the child up for adoption?  Or that you would take him/her after birth?  Did you bother to go with her to the abortion clinic and try to explain to her what she was doing was wrong?

What exactly did you do, to stop the loss of this child?  I hope I am wrong, but, I think you did very little....and yet, you place all the blame on her.  She did't get pregnant by herself.  You played just as big a role in creating that life, as she did.

The child is the responsibility of both parents, not just the mother.

How can you claim to be Orthodox and not understand this?  You seem very judgmental of her and all the other "psychopathic" women you have met.  Perhaps you are looking in the wrong places, or perhaps you are attracting a particular type of woman.  Be certain to step back and take a good, long, and honest look at yourself.

You're only 23, so, don't start saying you won't marry because God would have already sent you the woman to marry.  Please.  You seem hardly old enough to understand what it means to be a father.  Give it some time.

I suggest you stop with the sleeping around....and focus on something else for a while.


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« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2013, 04:45:48 PM »

This thread definitely gets the award for most disturbing thread title.

By the way, can you please clarify something? The thread title says "abortionist whore". Was this female an actual abortionist, or just somebody who has had multiple abortions? And assessing your words so far, it seems that you are equally guilty of "whoredom" and abortion. You had casual sex with a female that you knew was inclined to abortion, and then after she murdered YOUR child, you say you have no guilt or worries about that. So, it seems to me that you and this female share the same callous disregard both for your own bodies and for your own unborn children.

I know that was harsh sounding, but I felt it needed to be said. But now let me encourage you to seek forgiveness and mercy in the sacrament of Confession. Take responsibility for the murder of your own unborn child. Yes, she had the abortion, but your callous disregard for her and for your own sexual purity is what led to that act. It's not like you fought for your child and did all you could to prevent her from killing it.

God is merciful and forgiving. Pray and go to Confession. Please.


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Think about this one Mr. Holmes.  If you didn't fornicate, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant with your child.  If she didn't get pregnant with your child, she couldn't have had an abortion killing you're child.  See how the guilt is still connected to your sinful actions?  There is another lesson you probably ignore from scripture about how our sins can affect our children.

I'm sorry, but this woman failed to realize her purpose in life and I think I did my part. Yes, I could have done more to try convince her to keep the child, and so if anything you can blame me for that.

I think there is a discussion about this, but the word fornication originally ment prostitution, as well as porneia which is the greek word for it in the bible. The Bible says not to engage in prostitution, and adultery which is breaking the marriage covenant. I cannot find where it says you cannot have sex without a marriage covenant, and as I quoted Eccl 5:4, it is better not to make an oath that you cannot keep.


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As the father of the unborn child, you had rights to this baby.  If you truly were passionate about it, you would have gone to a lawyer which would have barred her from aborting "your" child.  This has happened before.  There's no reason why you just stood idly by and let her do this.

I guess you don't know too much about abortion laws, then.
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« Reply #57 on: August 24, 2013, 01:19:42 PM »

What makes you think you are not the whore?

What makes you think if desparate situations result from your actions -like greater poverty for a single parent mother and the child and the correlative socio-economic alienation- that this is not on your hands? Or that the blood is not therefore also on your hands which would not have been shed had you saved yourself for a loyal relationship such as the Church blesses because it alone maximizes blessing of possible children produced?
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What makes you think you are not the whore?

He's neither a woman nor God.  That's why he's not the whore. 
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« Reply #59 on: August 24, 2013, 01:24:03 PM »

What makes you think you are not the whore?

He's neither a woman nor God.  That's why he's not the whore.  
In the OT the term whore was used of males and females. What prevents a male from being a whore?

Why rather than he sleeping "with an abortionist whore" do we not suppose he, acting as the whore, placed a dear lady, in the image of God in a desperate situation whereupon she, like him, made a harmful choice that curses the lives of another or others?
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« Reply #60 on: August 24, 2013, 01:27:38 PM »

What makes you think you are not the whore?

He's neither a woman nor God.  That's why he's not the whore. 

As far as I understand the dictionary definition, it means a person of either sex who performs sex acts for pay, or in slang a person who is wantonly promiscuous. There certainly are some men out there who sell sex too.
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What makes you think you are not the whore?

He's neither a woman nor God.  That's why he's not the whore. 

Wait....WHA......?

Only women and God can be whores?  Huh
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« Reply #62 on: August 24, 2013, 01:29:15 PM »

This thread gets weirder with every post.  Shocked
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Why rather than he sleeping "with an abortionist whore" do we not suppose he, acting as the whore, placed a dear lady, in the image of God in a desperate situation whereupon she, like him, made a harmful choice that curses the lives of another or others?

Oh, I agree with you. 

All I'm saying is that Jaroslav, according to his own words, thinks the woman is a whore, that God conceived the child that she aborted (so God bears responsibility in the conception and abortion), but he and his penis are blameless.  So, in Jaroslav's estimation, the woman is definitely a whore and a murderer and so is God.  But Jaroslav is just a good, principled, moral fellow who unfortunately attracts slutty older women and whose God conceives children only to kill them in the womb.

Someone posted earlier that they thought "JamesR" when they first read this thread, but that is really unfair to JamesR.  Compared to this ____, JamesR is St Isaac of Nineveh.     
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« Reply #64 on: August 24, 2013, 02:20:22 PM »

The situation was confusing to me because I didn't really like anything about her yet my feelings forced me to be with her. Having already done two abortions and felt bad about it she asked me before we had sex if I would "be there" if she would become pregnant. I said yes since I take my responsibility for things, and just let the whole issue be up to God whether she becomes pregnant or not. I really don't like the idea of family planning, that is deciding whether or not to have children with someone, since that would mean I, as a human being, decide whether a child is born or not. I like to think God created me and not some people with plans, and therefore I would just like to have a few random children here and there and that is perhaps what made her most upset that I didn't just want her and no one else.

So let me get this straight. You were fornicating but you didn't do family planning because you thought God objects to it?
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... what is going on up in here?  Huh
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« Reply #66 on: August 24, 2013, 03:23:42 PM »

Why rather than he sleeping "with an abortionist whore" do we not suppose he, acting as the whore, placed a dear lady, in the image of God in a desperate situation whereupon she, like him, made a harmful choice that curses the lives of another or others?

Oh, I agree with you. 

All I'm saying is that Jaroslav, according to his own words, thinks the woman is a whore, that God conceived the child that she aborted (so God bears responsibility in the conception and abortion), but he and his penis are blameless.  So, in Jaroslav's estimation, the woman is definitely a whore and a murderer and so is God.  But Jaroslav is just a good, principled, moral fellow who unfortunately attracts slutty older women and whose God conceives children only to kill them in the womb.

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Best troll thread yet.
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« Reply #68 on: August 24, 2013, 10:15:25 PM »

... what is going on up in here?  Huh
best post of the thread.  Grin
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« Reply #69 on: August 25, 2013, 05:23:04 PM »

These posts sound like they are from people who are not sinners. If we want to help him it would maybe do better to tell him of our own sins that he may feel welcome among us. Similar to help groups where everyone is in the same boat and they talk about their own experiences .
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These posts sound like they are from people who are not sinners. If we want to help him it would maybe do better to tell him of our own sins that he may feel welcome among us. Similar to help groups where everyone is in the same boat and they talk about their own experiences .

First step is for him to realize what his sins are and that they are really sins.
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Oh c'mon!  This is a straight troll thread!  How the heck are any of you taking this seriously?!?!
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Oh c'mon!  This is a straight troll thread!  How the heck are any of you taking this seriously?!?!

It makes us look holy. 
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« Reply #73 on: August 25, 2013, 08:06:47 PM »

These posts sound like they are from people who are not sinners. If we want to help him it would maybe do better to tell him of our own sins that he may feel welcome among us. Similar to help groups where everyone is in the same boat and they talk about their own experiences .

First step is for him to realize what his sins are and that they are really sins.

Who doesn't ?
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« Reply #74 on: August 25, 2013, 08:34:15 PM »

There are people who are ill informed about the Ten Commandments and the moral law even though they are Orthodox Christians. We cannot judge them, but only hope that by our good example, they will come to the truth.

I knew a lady who came from a post-communist country, the Ukraine.

Since she spent her childhood under atheistic communism, she was never raised in the Orthodox Church, even though her Greek grandmother did baptize her as an infant. When she came to the USA in her 20s with her mother, they both joined a Greek Orthodox Church, studied catechism for one year, and then they were both Chrismated. Believe it or not, during that catechism class, adultery and fornication were never discussed. I guess the priest thought that everyone understood the Ten Commandments!

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Then there was another lady in that same class who was born, raised, and married in the USA, but she also was never taught the Ten Commandments due to our very secular education in the USA. She was baptized into the Greek Orthodox Church and continued to use an IUD for birth control because she never mentioned that to the priest. In addition, she was never told that the primary action of the IUD prevents the implantation of a fertilized ovum by creating a hostile chemical environment in the uterus. Thus the IUD is abortifacient. As she was experiencing several horrific miscarriages every year, she thought it strange, but her doctor did not inform her, nor did she did not associate these miscarriages with the IUD.
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« Reply #75 on: August 25, 2013, 08:47:04 PM »

Oh c'mon!  This is a straight troll thread!  How the heck are any of you taking this seriously?!?!

It makes us look holy. 

If we yell "TROLL!" at every post that seems ridiculous, what happens when it's not a troll at all?

Better to give our advice and hope for the best, than not give any advice for fear that we might be "feeding the troll."

There may very well be sheep amongst all the those that seem like goats.

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« Reply #76 on: August 25, 2013, 09:42:15 PM »

It makes us look holy. 

If we yell "TROLL!" at every post that seems ridiculous, what happens when it's not a troll at all?

Better to give our advice and hope for the best, than not give any advice for fear that we might be "feeding the troll."

There may very well be sheep amongst all the those that seem like goats.



By all means, let's take his original posts seriously in the off chance that this is a sheep among the trolls.  But then read the actual posts.  He clearly is not without a moral compass if he's able to recognise that abortion is wrong, that the woman he slept with is immoral and capable of actively choosing to abort, and that God, who should've known better, bears some responsibility in how things turned out because he willed the conception of the child that was aborted.  He's able to recognise wrongdoing in himself because he thinks he could've done more to save the life of the child than what he did, which was to text the "whore". 

And yet, he absolves himself of any significant responsibility because God conceived the child, he had nothing to do with it.  He hasn't committed blasphemy or homosexuality, so he is not without the Holy Spirit.  He reads Scripture and deduces that, if he's not capable of entering into a marriage covenant and remain faithful to it, it is better to fornicate than to enter into a deceitful covenant--fornication, after all, is not prohibited in Scripture.  And on and on...     

Either we are dealing with a troll (and deserves ridicule or to be ignored), or he needs the old country treatment at the hands of the woman's male relatives, friends, neighbours, and well-wishers.  But all this "Be of good cheer, young man, and run into the strong, loving arms of our merciful Jesus" coddling?  Who is that really helping? 
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Mor, I think I am in love with you.  laugh

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Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.  Romans 13.8 (KJV)

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« Reply #79 on: August 25, 2013, 11:36:05 PM »

Mor, I think I am in love with you.  laugh

It is a very platonic, non-erotic love, but love nontheless.  Grin

Remember that his name means "I'm dying, Ephrem!" in Romanian (IoanC's observation). La faiblesse d'OC.net...  laugh
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« Reply #80 on: August 26, 2013, 01:18:09 AM »

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By the way, can you please clarify something? The thread title says "abortionist whore". Was this female an actual abortionist, or just somebody who has had multiple abortions? And assessing your words so far, it seems that you are equally guilty of "whoredom" and abortion. You had casual sex with a female that you knew was inclined to abortion, and then after she murdered YOUR child, you say you have no guilt or worries about that. So, it seems to me that you and this female share the same callous disregard both for your own bodies and for your own unborn children.

Well I think we have a problem when the father wants to keep the child and the mother doesn't, don't we? After all it's not the father who is responsible for bearing the child, it is the mother! And if the mother doesn't want to take her responsibility, then she will have to take that with God later on I guess.

She's had multiple abortions.

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I know that was harsh sounding, but I felt it needed to be said. But now let me encourage you to seek forgiveness and mercy in the sacrament of Confession. Take responsibility for the murder of your own unborn child. Yes, she had the abortion, but your callous disregard for her and for your own sexual purity is what led to that act. It's not like you fought for your child and did all you could to prevent her from killing it.

Perhaps I could have prevented it, and yet I found the situation disturbing, since she wanted to kil her child, and yet she was the one given the responsibility to care for it. It would have been different if I were the one that had the child in my custody, and someone wanted to kill it.

But let me ask you this question then, did God concieve that child or did he not?

As the father of the unborn child, you had rights to this baby.  If you truly were passionate about it, you would have gone to a lawyer which would have barred her from aborting "your" child.  This has happened before.  There's no reason why you just stood idly by and let her do this.

Furthermore, I'm certain had this woman (not whore) felt loved and secure in her relationship with you, she would most likely have given birth to this child and been happy to raise it within the family you would have afforded her. 

Did you mention that she could simply put the child up for adoption?  Or that you would take him/her after birth?  Did you bother to go with her to the abortion clinic and try to explain to her what she was doing was wrong?

What exactly did you do, to stop the loss of this child?  I hope I am wrong, but, I think you did very little....and yet, you place all the blame on her.  She did't get pregnant by herself.  You played just as big a role in creating that life, as she did.

The child is the responsibility of both parents, not just the mother.

How can you claim to be Orthodox and not understand this?  You seem very judgmental of her and all the other "psychopathic" women you have met.  Perhaps you are looking in the wrong places, or perhaps you are attracting a particular type of woman.  Be certain to step back and take a good, long, and honest look at yourself.

You're only 23, so, don't start saying you won't marry because God would have already sent you the woman to marry.  Please.  You seem hardly old enough to understand what it means to be a father.  Give it some time.

I suggest you stop with the sleeping around....and focus on something else for a while.


What was it Paul said, that basically the only duty women have on this earth is child bearing? As far as I care, abortionist women might as well be rounded up and shot for being to no use at all. So I'm not going to provide anything for these, for lack of a better word, whores. But I admit it's wrong of me to call her a whore, because whores have more dignity.

I live in Sweden, I am not aware of any of those rights.

I'm not sleeping around, I met this deranged nut in a bar that I was in by accident and had pity on her because she lived alone, then she took me to her house, and the following days she would call me every day to come by. But when she became pregnant and I still said I'm not interested in being together with her as a couple, she kicked me out and didn't even want to open the door to talk. But I did say I would provide for her and that she didn't even have to keep the child. But I was now a nightmare for her and she didn't want anything to do with me, especially having a child.

I know exactly what I did wrong though. I was thinking that idiots could get better, and I didn't believe God would put me in a situation like this.
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« Reply #81 on: August 26, 2013, 01:18:09 AM »

Honestly I don't care if it was a sin for me to sleep with her or not, since I don't feel bad about it. If it was a sin I could have told you, Yes, it was a sin because I feel bad about it/convicted in my concsience. This woman however has felt bad doing every abortion she's had including this one, yet she still thinks she has done the right thing all three times. That's when you are a complete retard. She's 30 now and my only hope for her is that she dies childless and alone. The cat she likes so much can give her company.

She sleeps with the lamp on every night because she has demons visiting her, yet she thinks the only reason I believe in God is because I didn't have a father. Does anyone get more stupid than that?
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« Reply #82 on: August 26, 2013, 06:13:39 AM »

Honestly I don't care if it was a sin for me to sleep with her or not, since I don't feel bad about it. If it was a sin I could have told you, Yes, it was a sin because I feel bad about it/convicted in my concsience. This woman however has felt bad doing every abortion she's had including this one, yet she still thinks she has done the right thing all three times. That's when you are a complete retard. She's 30 now and my only hope for her is that she dies childless and alone. The cat she likes so much can give her company.

She sleeps with the lamp on every night because she has demons visiting her, yet she thinks the only reason I believe in God is because I didn't have a father. Does anyone get more stupid than that?

Irony... too thick... can't breathe...
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« Reply #83 on: August 26, 2013, 09:14:17 AM »

Did this thread come out of the Twilight Zone?
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« Reply #84 on: August 26, 2013, 09:15:37 AM »

Did this thread come out of the Twilight Zone?

No, from One Step Beyond.
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« Reply #85 on: August 26, 2013, 09:20:43 AM »

Did this thread come out of the Twilight Zone?

No, from One Step Beyond.

One Step Beyond The Twilight Zone?  WOWZER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That explains soooo much of what has been written here.  Thank you!!!  God bless you!!
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« Reply #86 on: August 26, 2013, 09:23:52 AM »

Did this thread come out of the Twilight Zone?

No, from One Step Beyond.

One Step Beyond The Twilight Zone?  WOWZER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That explains soooo much of what has been written here.  Thank you!!!  God bless you!!
You're welcome!  Actually, this thread and enlightenment is brought to you by ALCOA...
http://youtu.be/nV_HfFGdS-0   ALCOA ring tabs!
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« Reply #87 on: August 26, 2013, 10:42:21 AM »

Honestly I don't care if it was a sin for me to sleep with her or not, since I don't feel bad about it. If it was a sin I could have told you, Yes, it was a sin because I feel bad about it/convicted in my concsience. This woman however has felt bad doing every abortion she's had including this one, yet she still thinks she has done the right thing all three times. That's when you are a complete retard. She's 30 now and my only hope for her is that she dies childless and alone. The cat she likes so much can give her company.

She sleeps with the lamp on every night because she has demons visiting her, yet she thinks the only reason I believe in God is because I didn't have a father. Does anyone get more stupid than that?

Irony... too thick... can't breathe...

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« Reply #88 on: August 27, 2013, 11:53:53 AM »

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« Reply #89 on: August 27, 2013, 05:47:07 PM »

Did this thread come out of the Twilight Zone?

No Michael.  If some people would spend less time on the internet and get out an really talk to people, they would see that the OP is not alone, nor is it the worst of what is said and believed by many people - even those claiming to be Orthodox.  These people cry out to us in their own way, and that way is not always what we expect or what we are comfortalble with.  It is so much easier to sit on a computer and let the world know how holy we are than it is to actually confront another human being face to face as Christ did, and to accept and help them regardless of what is said the first few times around.  I hope the OP finds what he is looking for.
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« Reply #90 on: August 28, 2013, 11:18:57 PM »

Oh c'mon!  This is a straight troll thread!  How the heck are any of you taking this seriously?!?!

It makes us look holy. 

If we yell "TROLL!" at every post that seems ridiculous, what happens when it's not a troll at all?

Better to give our advice and hope for the best, than not give any advice for fear that we might be "feeding the troll."

There may very well be sheep amongst all the those that seem like goats.



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« Reply #91 on: August 28, 2013, 11:25:06 PM »

Honestly I don't care if it was a sin for me to sleep with her or not, since I don't feel bad about it. If it was a sin I could have told you, Yes, it was a sin because I feel bad about it/convicted in my concsience. This woman however has felt bad doing every abortion she's had including this one, yet she still thinks she has done the right thing all three times. That's when you are a complete retard. She's 30 now and my only hope for her is that she dies childless and alone. The cat she likes so much can give her company.

She sleeps with the lamp on every night because she has demons visiting her, yet she thinks the only reason I believe in God is because I didn't have a father. Does anyone get more stupid than that?

The sinfulness of an action is not determined by our feelings.

And, the conscience is often dulled or even silenced when we continue in sins--even without realizing what we have done is a sin. It begins not to work properly. It is healed through repentance and the grace of God through the sacraments, and prayer and struggle against sin.
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« Reply #92 on: August 28, 2013, 11:26:42 PM »

Did this thread come out of the Twilight Zone?

No Michael.  If some people would spend less time on the internet and get out an really talk to people, they would see that the OP is not alone, nor is it the worst of what is said and believed by many people - even those claiming to be Orthodox.  These people cry out to us in their own way, and that way is not always what we expect or what we are comfortalble with.  It is so much easier to sit on a computer and let the world know how holy we are than it is to actually confront another human being face to face as Christ did, and to accept and help them regardless of what is said the first few times around.  I hope the OP finds what he is looking for.

Indeed. Well put, Punch.
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« Reply #93 on: August 28, 2013, 11:28:47 PM »

Interesting that jaroslavkourakin hasn't returned to this thread ....
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« Reply #94 on: August 28, 2013, 11:29:54 PM »

Interesting that jaroslavkourakin hasn't returned to this thread ....
What do you mean, he has made many posts in this thread.  Huh
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« Reply #95 on: August 28, 2013, 11:36:37 PM »

Interesting that jaroslavkourakin hasn't returned to this thread ....
What do you mean, he has made many posts in this thread.  Huh

My bad, I missed a page.  Embarrassed
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« Reply #96 on: August 29, 2013, 12:17:53 AM »

And this is why we are commanded to have sexual relations only in the sacrament of marriage.



I agree so much.

This is so sad.... Horrible.

As a parent of 5 children, it is heart wrenching to hear of a child being murdered most often for prideful reasons, material wealth, and "convenience".

To the OP, I'm a sinner and I am not judging you.  Keep sexual relations in marriage.   Love your future spouse and stop this adulterous practice.  Does sin begat sin?
 
My wife and I tried 3 times to offer to pay for the medical care and adoption (legal) of children that were going to be aborted.  Two 15 year olds and one 16 year old.   We begged and pleaded with their parents, gave them scriptures, and told them "it is on your terms - open or not - but please let us adopt".   We prayed so hard....

All 3 of them murdered their children.

Reason on all 3: "We didn't want them embarrassed or to take them out of school".

Cry

But this thread has inspired me to talk with my wife again, stick another ad on Craigslist, and make the offer again.   If anybody here on OC.net knows of anybody about to abort a child and thinks there is somebody willing to adopt out instead, PM me.

And please, despite the arguments I've made here which hasn't made me very popular - this is about saving life.  We are dedicated to Christ and Christian values.    I may bump heads on icons, repetitive prayers (or lack of), or calling a bishop "master" - but I think when we consider a baby getting ripped apart limb from limb in the womb those things are rather trivial in the eyes of God.   In the case of abortion, please push those issues aside.   If anybody knows of a situation, please PM me.

Lord have mercy!

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« Reply #97 on: August 29, 2013, 06:11:01 PM »

I was reading a book yesterday that  was speaking about societies view on sex and how it relates to the bible, and it reminded me of this thread because it made a point about the overly obsessive nature of this subject in general.

It pointed out that Jesus made his strongest rebukes to other sins that never get very much attention by most Christians today or all through our history.
 
And those sins are probably more commonly broken but are glossed over because the world wants to decide what it considers sin, and ignore the more common garden variety.

And because sex is easily sensationalized,sins such as the rich man is brushed aside to the exclusion of what Jesus actually stressed were sins that were more difficult to overcome.
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« Reply #98 on: September 21, 2013, 04:23:43 AM »

And this is why we are commanded to have sexual relations only in the sacrament of marriage.



I agree so much.

This is so sad.... Horrible.

As a parent of 5 children, it is heart wrenching to hear of a child being murdered most often for prideful reasons, material wealth, and "convenience".

To the OP, I'm a sinner and I am not judging you.  Keep sexual relations in marriage.   Love your future spouse and stop this adulterous practice.  Does sin begat sin?
 
My wife and I tried 3 times to offer to pay for the medical care and adoption (legal) of children that were going to be aborted.  Two 15 year olds and one 16 year old.   We begged and pleaded with their parents, gave them scriptures, and told them "it is on your terms - open or not - but please let us adopt".   We prayed so hard....

All 3 of them murdered their children.

Reason on all 3: "We didn't want them embarrassed or to take them out of school".

Cry

But this thread has inspired me to talk with my wife again, stick another ad on Craigslist, and make the offer again.   If anybody here on OC.net knows of anybody about to abort a child and thinks there is somebody willing to adopt out instead, PM me.

And please, despite the arguments I've made here which hasn't made me very popular - this is about saving life.  We are dedicated to Christ and Christian values.    I may bump heads on icons, repetitive prayers (or lack of), or calling a bishop "master" - but I think when we consider a baby getting ripped apart limb from limb in the womb those things are rather trivial in the eyes of God.   In the case of abortion, please push those issues aside.   If anybody knows of a situation, please PM me.

Lord have mercy!




Amen brother. There is nothing Orthodox about diminishing the plight of "the least of these." As I have often pointed out, if we honor icons made with wood and paint then we should all the more honor and preserve human icons fashioned with the very breath of God.


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« Reply #99 on: September 21, 2013, 11:51:55 AM »

And this is why we are commanded to have sexual relations only in the sacrament of marriage.



I agree so much.

This is so sad.... Horrible.

As a parent of 5 children, it is heart wrenching to hear of a child being murdered most often for prideful reasons, material wealth, and "convenience".

To the OP, I'm a sinner and I am not judging you.  Keep sexual relations in marriage.   Love your future spouse and stop this adulterous practice.  Does sin begat sin?
 
My wife and I tried 3 times to offer to pay for the medical care and adoption (legal) of children that were going to be aborted.  Two 15 year olds and one 16 year old.   We begged and pleaded with their parents, gave them scriptures, and told them "it is on your terms - open or not - but please let us adopt".   We prayed so hard....

All 3 of them murdered their children.

Reason on all 3: "We didn't want them embarrassed or to take them out of school".

Cry

But this thread has inspired me to talk with my wife again, stick another ad on Craigslist, and make the offer again.   If anybody here on OC.net knows of anybody about to abort a child and thinks there is somebody willing to adopt out instead, PM me.

And please, despite the arguments I've made here which hasn't made me very popular - this is about saving life.  We are dedicated to Christ and Christian values.    I may bump heads on icons, repetitive prayers (or lack of), or calling a bishop "master" - but I think when we consider a baby getting ripped apart limb from limb in the womb those things are rather trivial in the eyes of God.   In the case of abortion, please push those issues aside.   If anybody knows of a situation, please PM me.

Lord have mercy!




Amen brother. There is nothing Orthodox about diminishing the plight of "the least of these." As I have often pointed out, if we honor icons made with wood and paint then we should all the more honor and preserve human icons fashioned with the very breath of God.


Selam

The Bible says to dash the least of those against rocks.

Hey, quit bumping this thread. It is the most brilliantly titled thread going next to the Gebredoxy. Congratulations by the way on having at least one thread with your name on it getting love. Stop stealing your own thunder!
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