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« on: August 18, 2013, 12:58:58 AM »

I like dinosaurs.maybe God wanted us to have something to play with;) Also why do we spend so much money looking for life in space when we don't take care of the lives here on earth?
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2013, 02:06:50 AM »

...why do we spend so much money looking for life in space when we don't take care of the lives here on earth?
That, is a fantastic question!
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2013, 02:19:36 AM »

...why do we spend so much money looking for life in space when we don't take care of the lives here on earth?
That, is a question!

Well this is the crazy talk thread.
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2013, 02:22:01 AM »

...why do we spend so much money looking for life in space when we don't take care of the lives here on earth?
That, is a question!

Well this is the crazy talk thread.
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2013, 06:43:29 PM »

Wait...wha?  What happened.  The fabric of the time and space continuum has been torn. Shocked
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2013, 06:44:59 PM »

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T.M. -- “As a good Catholic, I agree.  But how was Adam to glorify?  By singing praises?  The Heavenly hosts were already doing that, and even a parrot can make unctuous noises.  No, the evidence is right there in Genesis. Adam was told to do something very specific, something before the fall, before Eve, before even being told not to eat the fruit!”

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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2013, 07:30:47 PM »

We explore space to search for life and just to see what is out there.  Exploration has helped with the invention of new technologies, which help all no matter what their economic level is.  Exploration of space has also helped us in studying weather and predicting tornadoes, hurricanes, and other sorts of weather.  Someday we may manufacture some items in space, such as ball bearings.  When we get advanced enough, we may be able to bring back needed minerals from other worlds.  That is just some of the befits of space exploration.  We do help the poor, but we also budget for the exploration of space and other things.  We are curious creatures.  We like to see what the LORD created under the oceans and what the LORD created in outer space.
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2013, 09:02:04 PM »

To boldly go where no man, um, no one, er, no gender neutral, uh, no person, *sigh*, no humanoid, wait, not everyone out there could be human like, sooo, I GOT IT!!!!

To boldly go where no life force, currently know to the human race, from the Planet Earth had gone before.

Aaaaa-AAAAAH- ah-ah-ah-ah-aaaaaaaah...
Wooo-OOoOOOO-oooo-ooo-ooo-ooo-ooooooooo...
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2013, 09:03:21 PM »

...why do we spend so much money looking for life in space when we don't take care of the lives here on earth?
That, is a fantastic question!
Still, it IS a good question.
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2013, 09:44:46 PM »

Bob Marley: So Much Trouble In The World
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Lost in space, that's why dem lost in space
Dem no have respect for the human race
Burn in space, dem burn in space
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2013, 09:47:57 PM »

I like dinosaurs.maybe God wanted us to have something to play with;) Also why do we spend so much money looking for life in space when we don't take care of the lives here on earth?

Do you know how much money is actually spent on Space work?   Do you mean money from all the countries involved or just one group such as NASA? 

I do not mean any offense, but this is a false dichotomy; it is not an all or nothing binary situation.  There are people who are taking care of lives here on Earth. There are myriads of men and women who are working to improve health (vaccine research, providing ways of getting fresh water, providing medical care and surgery for some who otherwise would not get it), provide education, bring relief to areas hit with disasters and more.
There is always more to do, it is true.  But things are being done. 
Mercy Ships is one such group http://www.mercyships.org/home/
Doctors without Borders is another http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org

One that I found out about just this past week is Watsi.https://watsi.org/faq
"a global crowdfunding platform for healthcare that enables anyone to donate as little as $5 to directly fund life-changing medical care for people in need

And there are many others who do all sorts of different work.  There is room for both Space and Caring.

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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2013, 10:45:28 PM »

I like space. And nebulas Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2013, 11:05:45 PM »

So we can find more resources to sustain ourselves since those dang Mormons, Indians, and Chinese can't stop birthing babies.
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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2013, 11:05:45 PM »

Because the corporations need new markets to exploreexploit.
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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2013, 11:46:28 PM »

Which word sounds cooler, Astronauts or Cosmonauts?

More proof that Russia won the Space Race.

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« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2013, 12:11:31 AM »

Which word sounds cooler, Astronauts or Cosmonauts?

More proof that Russia won the Space Race.

I disagree. Cosmonaut sounds like a mixed alcoholic drink. Astronaut brings to mind images of astrophysics and astrolabes and so forth. Stellar!
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« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2013, 12:17:17 AM »

Precisely!  "It means Star Voyager"

 Smiley  Ad Astra...
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« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2013, 12:44:05 AM »

So we can find more resources to sustain ourselves since those dang Mormons, Indians, and Chinese can't stop birthing babies.

Better that they reproduce and some others go extinct. 
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« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2013, 01:37:07 AM »

Neil deGrasse Tyson makes the point often that, whether your interests are economic, educational, or whatever else, it is in the best interest of everyone for us to explore, and I think that can be applied whether we are talking about the depths of the oceans, the forest wilds, or the place we call space. Positive advancement often comes on the heels of a willingness to indulge our natural curiosity to explore the unknown.
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« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2013, 01:50:10 AM »

Neil deGrasse Tyson makes the point often that, whether your interests are economic, educational, or whatever else, it is in the best interest of everyone for us to explore, and I think that can be applied whether we are talking about the depths of the oceans, the forest wilds, or the place we call space. Positive advancement often comes on the heels of a willingness to indulge our natural curiosity to explore the unknown.
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« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2013, 03:37:54 AM »

A better question is why don't we explore space?
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« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2013, 03:39:55 AM »

A better question is why don't we explore space?

Because it's large, dark, and scary.

Just imagine floating about, several light years from the nearest celestial body, with nothing around you!

Gives me the heebie-jeebies.
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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2013, 03:47:17 AM »

Neil deGrasse Tyson makes the point often that, whether your interests are economic, educational, or whatever else, it is in the best interest of everyone for us to explore, and I think that can be applied whether we are talking about the depths of the oceans, the forest wilds, or the place we call space. Positive advancement often comes on the heels of a willingness to indulge our natural curiosity to explore the unknown.

What is positive advancement ? What is the goal ?
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« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2013, 03:58:00 AM »

Because it's THERE.
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« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2013, 04:17:57 AM »

Neil deGrasse Tyson makes the point often that, whether your interests are economic, educational, or whatever else, it is in the best interest of everyone for us to explore, and I think that can be applied whether we are talking about the depths of the oceans, the forest wilds, or the place we call space. Positive advancement often comes on the heels of a willingness to indulge our natural curiosity to explore the unknown.

What is positive advancement ? What is the goal ?

Depends on who you are, I suppose. My goals would be different than those of another.
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Depends on who you are, I suppose. My goals would be different than those of another.

But if this is true ( and i accept it is true ), then there are no such things as the best interest of everyone and positive advancement. That is a religious point of view.
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« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2013, 04:28:08 AM »

Neil deGrasse Tyson makes the point often that, whether your interests are economic, educational, or whatever else, it is in the best interest of everyone for us to explore, and I think that can be applied whether we are talking about the depths of the oceans, the forest wilds, or the place we call space. Positive advancement often comes on the heels of a willingness to indulge our natural curiosity to explore the unknown.

I'm not against financing the exploration of the unknown, just not at the expense of financing the problems that are known. Science too often puts the cart ahead of the horse.


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« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2013, 04:55:06 AM »

I`ve been there many times and there is nothing to see.  Smiley

I always had a problem with the materialistic explanation of our universe. "Imagine a balloon expanding".When i ask what is outside of the balloon i am told that there is nothing outside, not even empty space. This is stupid, in order for something to expand, you need an empty space bigger than that object. This is what everyone knows based on our experience.

There is a single place where we can see universes created from absolutely nothing and "balloons" that are able to expand into nothing, not even empty space. And that is computer simulations / computer games. Unfortunately when you think about simulations you will reach the material toll house (our universe is material, the game is not ) . But if you imagine an intelligent observer inside the game then that universe is as real for him as this one is for you.

There is a big problem though. These universes are created and many scientists don`t like the idea of a Creator. Or when they do like the idea they come up with a new age crap theory. Like the one from this movie (starting at 29`:30"):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKgUv3yiN9Q
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« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2013, 06:15:18 AM »

So we can find more resources to sustain ourselves since those dang Mormons, Indians, and Chinese can't stop birthing babies.
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« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2013, 06:15:18 AM »

Neil deGrasse Tyson makes the point often that, whether your interests are economic, educational, or whatever else, it is in the best interest of everyone for us to explore, and I think that can be applied whether we are talking about the depths of the oceans, the forest wilds, or the place we call space. Positive advancement often comes on the heels of a willingness to indulge our natural curiosity to explore the unknown.
Good old Neil's agenda for NASA to use more of our tax dollars for the program. He just wants his own fantasies assuaged.
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« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2013, 10:22:34 AM »

I`ve been there many times and there is nothing to see.  Smiley

I always had a problem with the materialistic explanation of our universe. "Imagine a balloon expanding".When i ask what is outside of the balloon i am told that there is nothing outside, not even empty space. This is stupid, in order for something to expand, you need an empty space bigger than that object. This is what everyone knows based on our experience.

There is a single place where we can see universes created from absolutely nothing and "balloons" that are able to expand into nothing, not even empty space. And that is computer simulations / computer games. Unfortunately when you think about simulations you will reach the material toll house (our universe is material, the game is not ) . But if you imagine an intelligent observer inside the game then that universe is as real for him as this one is for you.

There is a big problem though. These universes are created and many scientists don`t like the idea of a Creator. Or when they do like the idea they come up with a new age crap theory. Like the one from this movie (starting at 29`:30"):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKgUv3yiN9Q

Occasionally I get the chance to look up at the sky with an astronomy club.  I do not own a telescope, but they are nice and let people without a scope look through theirs.  When I look at planets, stars, and novas, I think about what a smart and mighty creator we have to create things like that -- whether via the big bang or 7 literal days I do not know, but however it was done, I know who created them.
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« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2013, 11:42:15 AM »

Neil deGrasse Tyson makes the point often that, whether your interests are economic, educational, or whatever else, it is in the best interest of everyone for us to explore, and I think that can be applied whether we are talking about the depths of the oceans, the forest wilds, or the place we call space. Positive advancement often comes on the heels of a willingness to indulge our natural curiosity to explore the unknown.
Good old Neil's agenda for NASA to use more of our tax dollars for the program. He just wants his own fantasies assuaged.

Which fantasies? He has a few. One fantasy is that parents will stop stifling the creativity of their children. That's not going to happen. Another is that the government cut the congressional toilet seat budget by .3% and use that money to double the NASA budget, but that's not gonna happen either. Which fantasy are you thinking of? Or, I guess, fantasies (plural)? Also, I hate the word assuaged. I can't pronounce it properly.

As for earlier posts, which I didn't get to... progress towards... well if you're a businessman then business, if an educator then education, etc. I don't have specifics at my fingertips, like what microchip or alternative fuel source was designed/modified/invented/whatever in this or that case.
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« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2013, 11:52:25 AM »

I don't know.

Seems like a colossal waste of $$ to me.  Oh well....

(We DID get teflon out of the deal though.  What would we do without it?? Roll Eyes)
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« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2013, 11:57:14 AM »

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« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2013, 12:30:18 PM »

To boldly go where no man, um, no one, er, no gender neutral, uh, no person, *sigh*, no humanoid, wait, not everyone out there could be human like, sooo, I GOT IT!!!!

To boldly go where no life force, currently know to the human race, from the Planet Earth had gone before.

Aaaaa-AAAAAH- ah-ah-ah-ah-aaaaaaaah...
Wooo-OOoOOOO-oooo-ooo-ooo-ooo-ooooooooo...

Not that split infinitive again?  laugh

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Curiosity, national pride and the fear others may gain an advantage if our country isn't in the game, commercial opportunists, etc., etc.
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« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2013, 01:06:36 PM »

Occasionally I get the chance to look up at the sky with an astronomy club.  I do not own a telescope, but they are nice and let people without a scope look through theirs.  When I look at planets, stars, and novas, I think about what a smart and mighty creator we have to create things like that -- whether via the big bang or 7 literal days I do not know, but however it was done, I know who created them.

I think we both know Who created them. The problem is what we understand from studying the universe. I mean, if you reach the conclusion that our universe is expanding and there is nothing outside ( not even empty space ), that should be a hint for a transcendent reality where our universe exists as information and where the space outside the universe also exists as potential.
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« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2013, 01:36:53 PM »

Without studying space, we wouldn't have satellites.  Without those, we wouldn't have much of the communications and connectivity we have today.  I suppose that is a good or bad thing depending on how you look at it.
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« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2013, 01:46:42 PM »

Because we generally want to see if there is life on other planets and in a distant galaxy
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« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2013, 02:09:56 PM »

Occasionally I get the chance to look up at the sky with an astronomy club.  I do not own a telescope, but they are nice and let people without a scope look through theirs.  When I look at planets, stars, and novas, I think about what a smart and mighty creator we have to create things like that -- whether via the big bang or 7 literal days I do not know, but however it was done, I know who created them.

I think we both know Who created them. The problem is what we understand from studying the universe. I mean, if you reach the conclusion that our universe is expanding and there is nothing outside ( not even empty space ), that should be a hint for a transcendent reality where our universe exists as information and where the space outside the universe also exists as potential.

This goes well beyond Teflon and Tang, without which the universe would be only all potential.  Wut?
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« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2013, 02:28:27 PM »



This goes well beyond Teflon and Tang, without which the universe would be only all potential.  Wut?

There is no doubt that there is an advancement in technology. But i don`t know if there is an advancement in truth. Today 96% of our universe is made from invisible magical force and mass and physicists are arguing if there are 10 or 11 dimensions. and how the multiverse looks like.
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« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2013, 02:32:49 PM »



This goes well beyond Teflon and Tang, without which the universe would be only all potential.  Wut?

There is no doubt that there is an advancement in technology. But i don`t know if there is an advancement in truth. Today 96% of our universe is made from invisible magical force and mass and physicists are arguing if there are 10 or 11 dimensions. and how the multiverse looks like.


I have enough trouble with 3 (or is it 4?) and now they're arguing about 10 or 11?  Oy vey ist mir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2013, 02:40:20 PM »

We move.

That's what we do.

Although all the talk about superpopulation and end of resources and water is still just catastrophism, the only long way for humanity lies in space (maybe the oceans for some time more if anyone dares go there).

Maybe when we were told to spread and preach to the whole cosmos, God had a vision a bit clearer about what that meant than those who thought it was the piece of land between the oceans they knew. Our ancestors found out there were other continents, we today know there are other planets, stars and moons. We must go there.
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« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2013, 02:42:26 PM »

100,000 applicants for the Mars One project that intends to colonize Mars
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/09/tech/innovation/mars-one-applications
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« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2013, 02:43:06 PM »

That's why, because we don't care about our own lives. We are ill, we only want things and experiences that ruin us. Anyway, I love space!
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